[Sorry if this appears twice- i posted, and then edited to add two more sources, and the post disappeared- aha, the "too many links" problem!]
Who in Russia acknowledged this conspiracy? I bet he is in trouble. I am sure Putin would have preferred to keep that quiet.
He isn't doing such a good job then. Here are some sources to get you caught up:
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/10/trump-putin-alt-right-comintern/506015/
https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/16/ivan-ilyin-putins-philosopher-of-russian-fascism/
https://www.algemeiner.com/2019/07/25/putins-rasputin-helps-spread-fascism-in-europe/
I see that the traitorous fool Flynn was pardoned by Idiot Number 1. How did the Great and Mighty Adept Wasserman fit into all this? Did he get swept up by the rise of the American Black Lodge's hold on power in the last four years? How? What did he do?
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
I see that the traitorous fool Flynn was pardoned by Idiot Number 1.
Why are you rummaging around in USA politics? I'm sure you can find fine examples of "traitorous" "idiots" in your own country.
You are trending today towards stirring the pot with your condescension. Say, you aren't drunk this morning, are you? Your ability to ties several unlinked events together in a coherency is rather feeble. You are using the curse word, idiot, overmuch ... perhaps committing some soul to the asylum every other post or two.
I see that the traitorous fool Flynn was pardoned by Idiot Number 1.
Why are you rummaging around in <other people's>
Threads?
Either contribute OT or move on.
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
Either contribute OT or move on.
I will move on to try to get you to realize that your posts, in general, reflect that of a conceited know-it-all who (often) makes really dim-witted conclusions based on your personal "like/dislike" mode of the moment that very often includes derogatory terms like "idiot" or "nut job."
Although these demeaning, imitation of Crowley in poisonous pen mode, outbursts can be entertaining (sometimes), it still drags the tone of the post down to gutter-level, second circuit demonstrations. People who swear, curse, or otherwise use low-level terminology constantly are considered "dirty-mouthed." You are one level above those, but you are still stuck in a condescending rut whereby your opinions show everyone how opinionated you have become. Words like "idiot," etc, can be useful at times, but when uttered every other post, it paints a dim picture of either your upbringing or your developed vanity.
That's all.
Since I have been bugging you repeatedly to try to refine your rapture, I see it is of no use, and I will now stop. Others have ceased to point out the ridiculous pattern of your thought processes, and I can do no better than join their indifference.
Either contribute OT or move on.
I will move on to try to get you to realize that your posts, in general, reflect that of a conceited know-it-all who (often) makes really dim-witted conclusions based on your personal "like/dislike" mode of the moment that very often includes derogatory terms like "idiot" or "nut job."
Although these demeaning, imitation of Crowley in poisonous pen mode, outbursts can be entertaining (sometimes), it still drags the tone of the post down to gutter-level, second circuit demonstrations. People who swear, curse, or otherwise use low-level terminology constantly are considered "dirty-mouthed." You are one level above those, but you are still stuck in a condescending rut whereby your opinions show everyone how opinionated you have become. Words like "idiot," etc, can be useful at times, but when uttered every other post, it paints a dim picture of either your upbringing or your developed vanity.
That's all.
Since I have been bugging you repeatedly to try to refine your rapture, I see it is of no use, and I will now stop. Others have ceased to point out the ridiculous pattern of your thought processes, and I can do no better than join their indifference.
Hey Shiva do you watch the news? The "idiots" in question are the greatest threat to American democracy since Joseph McCarthy, apologies if you don't think that's significant or worthy a little bit of emotive description. Last time, police someone else I want to stay OT, cheers.
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The "idiots" in question are the greatest threat to American democracy
And you are stirring the pot by bringing in something in a country other than yours and making claims, and denouncements, of a political nature, and your understanding of the war taking place behind the scenes seems to be limited to what you read in the news. Who owns the news outlets?
The "idiots" in question are the greatest threat to American democracy
And you are stirring the pot by bringing in something in a country other than yours and making claims, and denouncements, of a political nature, and your understanding of the war taking place behind the scenes seems to be limited to what you read in the news. Who owns the news outlets?
I don't appreciate your "deep state" conspiratorial dumb nonsense. Keep it OT, where I or anyone else resides is irrelevant.
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[indifference]
[indifference]
Really? If only.
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Re; "Alt-right" recruitment? Brilliant clear thinking video studies about how modern internet-savvy "Alt-right" recruitment pans out; first one circa 7 minutes long the next one longer;
The Alt-Right Playbook: Introduction - YouTube
The Alt-Right Playbook: How to Radicalize a Normie - YouTube
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Good and evil described as illusory ideas, and as what The Black Brothers "only see", "and often [with] little grey between":
"Crowley termed these individuals [individuals that in "crossing the Abyss" remain attached to their ego-self] the Black Brothers, the counterpoint to the Great White Brotherhood of egoless adepts. The Black Brothers only see good and evil, and often little grey between, while those that successfully make the transition through the Abyss understand the subjectivity of good and evil—and that these ideas are in fact illusory."
(Source: Chapter 2 Philosophy, Thelema: An Introduction to the Life, Work & Philosophy of Aleister Crowley, by Colin D. Campbell, with foreword by Don Milo Duquette, Llewellyn Publications, 2018.)
So some guy i never heard of says Crowley says...
And why again do we care?
And why again do we care?
In this case, "we" don't. The point of non-attached interest, to me and "not-you," is that people continue (2018) to ride Crowley's coat-tails, and this one has a foreword by Don Milo, who I hear is a nice guy but he's also a member of the One True Order of Duplexity, which "we" all know is listed under the Title Topic of this very thread.
With such profound synchronicity afloat, this now becomes a phenomena, an unusual happening, and "we" are "sworn to interpret it ..."
Therefore, I will take up the burden of interpretation for "us" and say ...
All popular prophets set out a core philosophy. This is the white zone.
All popular prophets, after they are dead, have followers, or adherents, or commentators, or critics who make profits (in money or status) by explaining the prophet (or his message) to the general public of common dorks, including "us." This is the Black Zone.
So the prophets are Good (Godly), while the Profits are Evil (dual)(D-evil).
Anyone among "us" who has a fixed box in which their mind dwells can easily see and agree to this linear thesis (cited above) that people who ride the Prophet's coat-tails for Profits are bad black lodge brothers.
But those among "us" whose minds are open will diligently search amongst the copy-cat coat-tails to see if they can discover something NEW. These searchers and re-searchers, along with any NEW material they find, are the GRAY zone.
And those among "us" who neither view any Prophet as white, nor any Profiteer as black, and have already seen the infinite shades of gray, don't care about these distinction, knowing by experience that ...
It depends on the circumstances
U.G. said, "It's okay to steal. Just don't get caught."
He also said, "You should beat your parents thoroughly for getting you into this mess."
Keeping all this wisdom in "our" minds, but only temporarily, "we" must return to the first line of this post where is says, "In this case, "we" don't." [care]
"Crowley
..........(the most egotistical self-aggrandizing child-man) ............
termed these individuals [individuals that in "crossing the Abyss" remain attached to their ego-self] the Black Brothers, the counterpoint to the Great White Brotherhood of egoless adepts.
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(The following quotes from me and JJB, are taken from page 2 in this thread:)
[Me:] "... via @Shiva :
I agree with this from Shiva’s REPLY #117337 in this thread:“… there is no such thing as a cohesive Black Lodge. With each member being dedicated to themselves, their profits, and their longevity, there can be no “common goal.” This does not mean individuals cannot “breathe together,” which any sensible business-person would do if they wanted to promote their business, agenda, or profits.”
Thus it is not beneficial to accuse groups of individual persons for having a common cohesive “Black Lodge” goal. As any individual person bound to be unsuccessful and/or bound to be lost in the abyss, or already lost in the abyss, will express this in an unique way."
JJB: "However the "common cohesive goal"would be to promote their "business, agenda and profits" in other words their interests, in terms of optimising as far as possible their mutual self-advantage (if this can't be seen as a contradiction in terms). A sort of Black "United Nations", in other words. There must be a heck of a lot of double-crossing going on if so.
But in such an eventuality would this collective "breathing together" have some long-term ecological agenda as a goal also these days, I wonder? In other words: a cost-benefit analysis of maximising profits for themselves versus fucking up the planet for everyone (with themselves included)."[:]
[Not sure if the following pertains to Examples of the black lodge?, but it does pertain to "... a cost-benefit analysis of maximising profits for" some, "versus fucking up the planet for everyone (with [all] included).""]
["]8 predictions for the world in 2030[:]
1 You'll own nothing. And you'll be happy[.] Whatever you want you'll rent[.] And it'll be delivered by drone[.]
2 The U.S. won’t be the world’s leading superpower[.] A handful of countries will dominate[.]
3 You won't die waiting for an organ donor[.] We won't transplant organs. We'll print new ones instead[.]
4 You'll eat much less meat[.] An occasional treat, not a staple[.] For the good if the environment and our health[.]
5 A billion people will be displaced by climate change[.] We will have to do a better job at welcoming and integrating refugees[.]
6 Polluters will have to pay to emit carbon dioxide[.] There will be a global price on carbon[.] This will help make fossil fuels history[.]
7 You could be preparing to go to mars[.] Scientists will have worked out how to keep you healthy in space[.] The start of a journey to find alien life?
8 Western values will have been tested to the breaking point[.] Checks and balances that underpin our democracies must not be forgotten[.]["]
(Source: [World Economic Forum:] "8 predictions for the world in 2030 (Based on the input of members of the World Economic Forum's Global Future Council") - - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx3DhoLFO4s, and "Global Agenda[:] 8 predictions for the world in 2030" - - - https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/8-predictions-for-the-world-in-2030/?utm_content=bufferdda7f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer [.])
wrwb: Your posts are increasingly becoming totally incomprehensible. The layers of quotes of people quoting quotations are increasingly impossible to parse into any coherent meaning whatever.
If there is some point you are trying to make in this last post, it is utterly impossible for me to determine what it is, who you are quoting when, or why you are quoting these people. or what any of this has to do with the OT, AC, or any topic really.
Consider the possibility that future posts consisting solely of sentences written by you, with zero quotations, might better make your points.
[Not sure if the following pertains ...
Personally, I'm not sure what your point is, or what you are trying to say. There are multiple quotes (from me, JJB, and some pundit) that are so tightly woven with "quote" marks, asterisks, bold letters and italics to boot, that I can't tell who is saying what to whom, and even what they are saying.
Perhaps you could distill this post down into something a bit simpler?
who you are quoting when ...
I recognized my own words, so I've got that part straight, but why I'm "via" instead of just "he said," I cannot figure out.
I believe the post under inquisition could be sent to one of the QBL threads for analysis. Unless wrwb can streamline it here for us dodos (Tao-taos).
sentences written by you, with zero quotations
"Speak for yourself, John." (Puritan aphorism).
[Not sure if the following pertains ...
Personally, I'm not sure what your point is, or what you are trying to say. There are multiple
Maybe it's done in the style of Gurdjieff's Beezlebub book.
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As already stated in the thread titled Christianity and Thelema, both AC's Thelema and Christianity proclaims ultimately obeying a higher authority than the state (pertaining to the authority of each individual[-s] will for AC's Thelema, and pertaining to the authority of God for Christianity).
What about Examples of the black lodge that oppose both AC's Thelema and (JC's) Christianity?
And what about Examples of the black lodge that both AC's Thelema and (JC's) Christianity oppose?
What about Examples of the black lodge that oppose both AC's Thelema and (JC's) Christianity?
These are dealt with under the title of "Slave gods."
Unfortunately, Christianity has become a Slave God piece of work. However, quoting a quote that floated around Agape Lodge, "Many folks attain despite the church, not because of it."
And what about Examples of the black lodge that both AC's Thelema and (JC's) Christianity oppose?
You may list these examples, if you will.
Me: "And what about Examples of the black lodge that both AC's Thelema and (JC's) Christianity oppose?"
Shiva: "You may list these examples, if you will."
A supressive and intrusive surveillance and police state like the one in the People's Republic of China?
A supressive and intrusive surveillance and police state like the one in the People's Republic of China?
Did any Chinese system ever not have an "intrusive surveillance (and) police state"?
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A supressive and intrusive surveillance and police state like the one in the People's Republic of China?
I imagine NOBODY of any persuasion would like such a deal. I don't remember Jesus crying out against internet censorship, or AC decrying digital surveillance, but your point is made.
In fact, I will suggest that any religion or spiritual philosophy would oppose, or at least wu-wei, the machinations of the heathen Chinese Communist Party ... and that overweight guy up in No Korea, too.
I imagine NOBODY of any persuasion would like such a deal. I don't remember Jesus crying out against internet censorship, or AC decrying digital surveillance, but your point is made.
In fact, I will suggest that any religion or spiritual philosophy would oppose, or at least wu-wei, the machinations of the heathen Chinese Communist Party ... and that overweight guy up in No Korea, too.
Y'know I hear that before The Boxer Rebellion every Chinese male adult who did not have a pony tail would be arrested because it was an act of disrespecting the Emperor. You with me?
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Y'know I hear that before The Boxer Rebellion every Chinese male adult who did not have a pony tail would be arrested because it was an act of disrespecting the Emperor. You with me?
I am not "with" you, but I agree. It was a "pigtail" not a "ponytail." The funny thing is, the gov was Manchurian. Yeah, the Manchus marched in after the fall of the Ming dynasty (the "high point" of Chinese civilization), and they ruled for ~300 years. The Chinese guys were forced into pigtaildom while the Manchus enjoyed other harstyles.
The Boxer rebellion failed. It was stirred by the Ming dynasty martial arts Triad lineages. Shortly after the boxers, another rebellion didn't fail and the Manchus were deposed.
How did the Great and Mighty Adept Wasserman fit into all this?
This has been deeply puzzling for me as well, and he is by far not the only one.
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
Shiva: "I imagine NOBODY of any persuasion would like such a deal [= A supressive and intrusive surveillance and police state like the one in the People's Republic of China?]. I don't remember Jesus crying out against internet censorship, or AC decrying digital surveillance, but your point is made. In fact, I will suggest that any religion or spiritual philosophy would oppose, or at least wu-wei, the machinations of the heathen Chinese Communist Party ... and that overweight guy up in No Korea, too."
The religion that is state sanctioned within respectively present time intrusive surveillance and police states like the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and the Islamic Republic of Iran, has little reason to oppose the intrusive surveillance and police state sanctioning it.
Are we (as in the body of esoteric and occult practitioners) concerned with an objective and verifiable "dark lodge" with bonafide intentions as an order in society? I suppose if one were to exist we should be, but does one exist?
I suppose if a dark lodge were to exist, it is more likely than not that they view themselves as the opposite of a dark lodge.
I suppose if there was a dark lodge with the intention of bringing some sort of "balance" to the force, pardon my cultural lingo, then they would not really be considered a "dark lodge" at all, but merely actors, playing the part of dark magicians.
I suppose if there were a real dark lodge that would mean a group deeply invested within dualism, they would by definition be continually failing and under the control of intelligences that applied a more non-dual strategy.
I have found the myths and stories of dark lodges far more useful.
In the Southern Hemisphere, in the realm of sorcerers, shamans and curanderos, they have a very simple dilineation between "dark lodges" and "white lodges" (although they do not use those terms)
Dark lodges uses forces for selfish reasons, to compete with others.
White lodges are concerned with healing others.
In those terms, sheesh we have quite a large collection of dark lodges all over the place.
I don't predict this will conclude for them they way they hope.
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
but does one exist?
By definition, a coherent, organized Black Lodge would theoretically be impossible. Each member, being self-interested, would be incapable of "lodging" with other selfish dudes.
This would not preclude temporary alliances (based on the stock market, the price of oil, or other tangible factors), but those would be subject to dissolution - depending on circumstances.
Dark lodges uses forces for selfish reasons, to compete with others.
White lodges are concerned with healing others.
Exactly.
Most "white" lodges have a tendency to turn dark, as time passes.
In those terms, sheesh we have quite a large collection of dark lodges all over the place.
Everywhere.
: Anyone able to pull out the old "The US Democratic Party is just as bad as the Republicans" line might want to consider reading a newspaper from time to time.
See Bill Clinton's NAFTA conspiracy and Obama's TARP bail out and neglect of those that the banks made homeless.
The Democrat party is the other business party.
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So you've revived a thread after eighteen months or so, simply to pursue a political argument with ignant?
So you've revived a thread after eighteen months or so, simply to pursue a political argument with ignant?
Some threads are more important than e.g. which brand of cigar Crowley smoked so they deserve "reviving". If you're not contributing then kindly....go....start your arguments elsewhere.
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: Anyone able to pull out the old "The US Democratic Party is just as bad as the Republicans" line might want to consider reading a newspaper from time to time.
See Bill Clinton's NAFTA conspiracy and Obama's TARP bail out and neglect of those that the banks made homeless. The Democrat party is the other business party.
This is a fine example of necromancy of a dead thread about The Black Lodge in order to insert the usual political comments that have nothing to do with this site. Continued off-topic posting can get your ticket punched.
: Anyone able to pull out the old "The US Democratic Party is just as bad as the Republicans" line might want to consider reading a newspaper from time to time.
See Bill Clinton's NAFTA conspiracy and Obama's TARP bail out and neglect of those that the banks made homeless. The Democrat party is the other business party.
This is a fine example of necromancy of a dead thread about The Black Lodge in order to insert the usual political comments that have nothing to do with this site. Continued off-topic posting can get your ticket punched.
Do what thou wilt. Do as in 'do' as in behaviour in relation to others and where you fit into that. Liber L is not about a man stuck and outcast on a desert island and by the way, no man is an island. Socrates/Plato showed us that and showed us that personal ethics are the micro to political science which is the macro. In other words, you're behaving like an ignorant lynch mob.
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In other words, you're behaving like an ignorant lynch mob.
How can one man behave like a mob, for God's sake? The mind boggles.
In other words, you're behaving like an ignorant lynch mob.
How can one man behave like a mob, for God's sake? The mind boggles.
You and Shiva. Keep up. Besides, one individual's mind can be as a mob, see Christ exorcising the mad man. Matthew 8:28-34,Mark 5:1-20,Luke 8:26-39
If you don't like or can't participate in the thread then how about going away?
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Some threads are more important than e.g. which brand of cigar Crowley smoked so they deserve "reviving".
Possibly. This is not one of them.
Some threads are more important than e.g. which brand of cigar Crowley smoked so they deserve "reviving".
Possibly. This is not one of them.
You bluntly intefered in this thread tonight. You're either an idiot or you're doing a great impersonation of one.
I asked a question in the OP (see the title of this thread) and Ignant answered as follows;
The Roman Catholic Church, except for the current Pope and his coterie; almost all Evangelical Protestant churches; Russia [Putin is the current Grandmaster of the Black Lodge; of course not all who work for him do so knowingly or get paid]; the US Republican Party; the US Drug Enforcement Agency; the UK Conservative and Brexit Parties; the Social Liberal Party in Brazil (Bolsonaro's hyper-conservative, quasi-Fascist party); the National Front in France; the (c)OTO; Gunther's "Make Your Own Mc-A.'. A.'.".
That will do for a start.
I don't know enough about politics in any other country to identify which right-wing party is the Black Lodge rep in any other country. Whichever one gets money and/or help from Putin, and does the Devil's work.
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So you've revived a thread after eighteen months or so, simply to pursue a political argument with ignant?
David is bored here and he deals with his boredom by trolling and starting arguments.
Honestly, I've given some thought to going through more of the archives here and necroing a thread or two myself, though for more positive discussion.
So you've revived a thread after eighteen months or so, simply to pursue a political argument with ignant?
David is bored here and he deals with his boredom by trolling and starting arguments.
Honestly, I've given some thought to going through more of the archives here and necroing a thread or two myself, though for more positive discussion.
So you understand the thread either?
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@david-dom-lemieux
I understand that you like to liven things up by starting arguments. I won't deny it's a way to get things going here. Honestly, though, I personally prefer more constructive approaches.
@david-dom-lemieux
I understand that you like to liven things up by starting arguments. I won't deny it's a way to get things going here. Honestly, though, I personally prefer more constructive approaches.
I simply made a 'constructive point' and then Shiva and Michael came in (probably because they were 'bored') and they tried to shut me down without making any constructive input to the thread. If they would have, alternatively, actually contributed to the discussion I would've happily got involved in give and take but they were just mindlessly trying to close the discussion.
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In other words, you're behaving like an ignorant lynch mob.
Yes. Call out the lynch mob. But they are not ignornt, for they can tell when immaturity is calling out ... continuously .. for attention to stuff that has no place in this Inn.
The mind boggles.
I see extensive numbers of posts following this one. I therefore proclaim today Boggling Day as the politician rambles on ... making false connections.
If you don't like or can't participate in the thread then how about going away?
No. The thread is going off-topic under your political guidance. How many threads in a row do you have to get locked before they can call you a man?
You bluntly intefered in this thread tonight.
Course-correction to get back on topic is hardly interference. Although a continually off-topic political poster might take personal offense at the audacity of those who call for order and on-topicism.
David is bored here
That's only part of it. There is also the factor of obsession with a topic (i.e., external authority) that apparently needs to be acted out in public.
I understand that you like to liven things up by starting arguments.
Your understanding has earned to the title Honorary Psychologist of the Day, and after that, there's nothing much (more) to say.
... mindlessly trying to close the discussion.
Consciously attempting to stamp out the political wildfire coming from one arsonist over and over ... opening one thread immediately upon the closure of the previous off-topic, political confusion in your mind.
It's time for you to see a doctor. Katrice has the resident psycho today. But you don't need to see here - she just made the diagnosis.
Do you have the link about forum rules banning political talk?
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Apologies for double post but I've found the guidelines and there's no rules about discussing political science or the like,as follows;
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So, Black vs Black
Black Lodge- those who seek to perpetuate the toxic Osirian paradigm of control. These people need not be consciously practicing magick. Iggy provided a good list, quoted by David earlier in this thread's reanimation. While I agree with Iggy's statement re: Democrats and Republicans not being completely equivalent, Left or Right politics need not play a role as the far extremes of both tend towards control.
But people who follow the LHP are also classified as "Black" Brothers, Sorors,etc, but are not the same as the Black Lodge, and in fact most all such oppose the Lodge, consciously or unconsciously.
So, Black vs Black
Black Lodge- those who seek to perpetuate the toxic Osirian paradigm of control. These people need not be consciously practicing magick. Iggy provided a good list, quoted by David earlier in this thread's reanimation. While I agree with Iggy's statement re: Democrats and Republicans not being completely equivalent, Left or Right politics need not play a role as the far extremes of both tend towards control.
But people who follow the LHP are also classified as "Black" Brothers, Sorors,etc, but are not the same as the Black Lodge, and in fact most all such oppose the Lodge, consciously or unconsciously.
You live in Brooklyn? Check out Manhatten, it's private schools and who they send to Yale and Harvard and who come back to work in New York. Check out Wall Street. Your city is the control centre par excellence. Multi national investment banking. You get the picture? The Black Lodge don't know they are members of the Black Lodge. It was about the Roman coins then it was the pound Sterling then gold, now its the Wall Street dollar.
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@david-dom-lemieux
You get the picture?
You say these things as though I would not have thought about them. 😀
Do you have the link about forum rules banning political talk?
No. It is overshadowed by a greater law that says All posts must be related, by connecting real dots - not abstract linkages, to Aleister or his connections.
The political assets of Aleister have been fully described (as ambivalent), in more than one thread. Fair game. Other sharing of off-topic topics can usually be slipped in, here and there, but continued perseverence through multiple threads, locking them on your way?
I've found the guidelines
Maybe you missed this line: "Members must not engage in disruptive activity such as persistent off-topic postings on the Forums ..."
But people who follow the LHP are also classified as "Black" Brothers, Sorors,etc, but are not the same as the Black Lodge, and in fact most all such oppose the Lodge, consciously or unconsciously.
Yeah, but there's no such thing, really, as The Black Lodge. There is no universal organization that unites smaller splinter groups. Sure, from time to time, just like in the world of crime, two or three groups might get together for a heist, but later they'll be after each other again.
This whole thing came up because I was endlessly citing that (imagined) entity - in bold black letters - a lot. But it was mostly in jest, aimed at, in no particular order: The contemporary Order of the Eastern Templars, the network of inherited wealth mentioned in The Communist Manifesto, and any guru selling (spiritual) degrees.
LHP is not (my version) of The Black Lodge. Those Elron Science people? They are. But aside from generalities, the real distinction is in the motivation of any given unit. The Black definition, underlying other ornaments and robes, is The use of Magick to obtain personal profit - at the expense of others.
Applying that formula alongside "Every act is a magical act," can allow one to see that we live in a pretty dark civilization where almost everybody is actively trying to get into their neighbor's vault, or at least sell him something at a steep profit.
The Black Lodge don't know they are members of the Black Lodge.
That is correct. They are just sharp mentats who gravitated into Wall Street. They play a high-stress game, every day, doing their best to increase their purse at the expense of some bungler. But they play by rules, and nobody feels like they are criminals or black magicians. But they deal in money, the manipulation of matter, so they're in that loose definition of Black. If we have a bank account, draw a wage, buy or sell anything, we're probably hanging out in that "Lodge" without knowing it.
Then they do something criminal, maybe just a little bit (insider trading, spoofing sales, etc). Now, in my book, this person has joined The Black Lodge, but they may never think in those terms.
If every act is a magical act, then I guess our every move, every day, finds us walking that lightrope between B & W. There are those who strike a balance and walk the rope with ease - is there A Yellow Lodge?
Yeah, but there's no such thing, really, as The Black Lodge. There is no universal organization that unites smaller splinter groups. Sure, from time to time, just like in the world of crime, two or three groups might get together for a heist, but later they'll be after each other again.
Or maybe the true Black Lodge exists within? The real Secret Masters of the Lodge are the degenerated Osirian archetypes, or maybe now more accurately Archons?
LHP is not (my version) of The Black Lodge.
If anything, those who seek liberation oppose such forces.
Those Elron Science people? They are.
The organization, yes. Those who work with it outside of the organization are more varied.
The use of Magick to obtain personal profit - at the expense of others.
Agreed.
The Black Lodge don't know they are members of the Black Lodge.
The real world villains normally don't identify themselves as that. They think they're the good guys.
If every act is a magical act, then I guess our every move, every day, finds us walking that lightrope between B & W. There are those who strike a balance and walk the rope with ease - is there A Yellow Lodge?
Maybe more grey.