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Posted by: @katrice

Or maybe the true Black Lodge exists within? 

Everything "out there" that we discuss "in here" (in these forums) is just a reflection of our Inner Childes, who are the cause of all this glory and dismay.

Here's how it fits, in 1-2-3:

(3) The Outer Order (our own clever but dense vehicle) is The Black Lodge. It has personal tendencies and selfish desires. When folks get together, on the physical plane, and form a Lodge/Order ... it almost always blows up due to the unbelievably crude ambitions of the separated selves.

Note: This crap is reduced or negated when the group has a real avatar to focus the show. Blavatsky, Crowley, Smith, et al, they took the reins, started their reign, and held the ship together 'til they died. After their deaths, the mundane Black Lodge stuff immediately commences.

(2) The Inner Order is Yellow, intermediate and in-between. But it's all inside, and only reflects onto the outer when there's two or more adepts at hand.

(1) The Super Order is both inside and outside, simultaneously, and nobody can tell which is which because there's no difference. This is all covered on the first page of AL, and so anybody knows what I mean ... except for the unfortunates who are still strutting around in (3), above.

 

 


   
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Posted by: @shiva

Everything "out there" that we discuss "in here" (in these forums) is just a reflection of our Inner Childes, who are the cause of all this glory and dismay.

I remember reading an article that said that the true leaders of the Black Lodge in all its manifestations,the masters of the ultimate Osirian conspiracy, really are the "reptoids", in the sense of the so-called "reptilian brain" being at the root of it. 

 

(3) The Outer Order (our own clever but dense vehicle) is The Black Lodge. It has personal tendencies and selfish desires. When folks get together, on the physical plane, and form a Lodge/Order ... it almost always blows up due to the unbelievably crude ambitions of the separated selves.

Note: This crap is reduced or negated when the group has a real avatar to focus the show. Blavatsky, Crowley, Smith, et al, they took the reins, started their reign, and held the ship together 'til they died. After their deaths, the mundane Black Lodge stuff immediately commences. 

GD and COTO, and from what I've heard,Aurum Solis, being shining examples. 

 

 

(1) The Super Order is both inside and outside, simultaneously, and nobody can tell which is which because there's no difference. This is all covered on the first page of AL, and so anybody knows what I mean ... except for the unfortunates who are still strutting around in (3), above.

At a certain point the difference becomes increasingly subjective.  

 

 


   
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Posted by: @katrice

the true leaders of the Black Lodge... really are the "reptoids", in the sense of the so-called "reptilian brain" being at the root of it. 

Precisely. Known in psycho-land as the Id, we all have the capacity to become Fu Manchu. The Path is often described as being a battleground for control between the Id and the (true) Self - with the Ego stuck in-between, trying to keep the war-zone from spilling out onto external "reality."

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shining examples.

"All that glitters is not gold."

 


   
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the true leaders of the Black Lodge... really are the "reptoids", in the sense of the so-called "reptilian brain" being at the root of it. 

Precisely. Known in psycho-land as the Id, 

'Satan' in Christian terminology. 

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'Satan' in Christian terminology. 

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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

I simply made a 'constructive point'

Let's revisit:

See Bill Clinton's NAFTA conspiracy and Obama's TARP bail out and neglect of those that the banks made homeless.

You call that constructive? Then I am the one asking for more of "AC tobacco brand" or "AC laundry list" threads, as it tells us more about AC than another politics thread which - though sometimes interesting and entertaining - adds absolutely zero to the understanding of AC's thoughts on politics, which probably changed more often than his laundry lists. Or if "Do what thou wilt" doesn't apply to people who want to make as much money as possible.

Because people mostly are polite there are still answers to what seems to be "Black Lodge = Bad Guys", whatever "bad" means to anyone at any point in time. It is honestly boring. And useless. "Black Lodge" is just a label to make the (allegedly) bad guys even more bad, but in a somehow occult or spiritual naming convention.

This is just my two cents, though people who don't agree surely are Black Lodge...


   
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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

"Black Lodge" is just a label to make the (allegedly) bad guys even more bad, but in a somehow occult or spiritual naming convention.

Exactly. It implies not only selfish motivations (at your and my expense), but also implicates pacts with the devil, or aliens, or YHVHs, in order to enhance their [d]evil ways.

 


   
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I simply made a 'constructive point'

Let's revisit:

See Bill Clinton's NAFTA conspiracy and Obama's TARP bail out and neglect of those that the banks made homeless.

You call that constructive? Then I am the one asking for more of "AC tobacco brand" or "AC laundry list" threads, as it tells us more about AC than another politics thread which - though sometimes interesting and entertaining - adds absolutely zero to the understanding of AC's thoughts on politics, 

Selective quoting in action there from you.  What else did I write?

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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Selective quoting in action there from you.  What else did I write?

See Bill Clinton's NAFTA conspiracy and Obama's TARP bail out and neglect of those that the banks made homeless.

That's how you restarted this thread. Followed by - after a space:

The Democrat party is the other business party.

Does not seem so selective to me. Neither does it make the whole thing more constructive. It sounds (to me) like an invitation for political discussion fighting, totally independent of the whole Black Lodge theme. Apparently others felt the same.

 


   
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Does not seem so selective to me. Neither does it make the whole thing more constructive. It sounds (to me) like an invitation for political discussion fighting, totally independent of the whole Black Lodge theme. Apparently others felt the same.

 

I went on to explain how politics relates to the Liber L maxim but apart from that, maybe you're a sensitive soul who abhors disagreements but interprets them as 'fighting'.   Furthermore, study Ignant's answer to my question where I ask for a definition of 'the Black Lodge', yeah his answer was 'political', are you actually following the thread from the OP onwards?

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You're sweet. Have fun!

After re-reading some pages (all is too much) I conclude that my definition "Black Lodge is just a label to make the (allegedly) bad guys even more bad, but in a somehow occult or spiritual naming convention." is as good or bad as any other here, including those that "one who accepts the Aeon of Horus cannot be a Black Lodger per se" and other nonsense. After 12 pages nearly everyone in politics and religious movements has been called out a Black Lodge guy. That's why I would welcome another AC thread about his favourite ironing service in London.


   
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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

I went on to explain how politics relates to the Liber L maxim

By the way, you don't have to explain that, because in the end EVERYTHING relates to the Liber L maxim, and, funnily, EVERYTHING relates to politics also.

But, please, can you provide any Liber L quote that speaks directly to more than one person? Apart from "But ye, o my people, rise up & awake!" and "As brothers fight ye!" Sorry, I don't know it all by heart. Isn't it so that Liber L is all about YOU and YOU alone? And isn't it so that a symbolic text is the worst one could choose as a political manifesto?

Sorry for the double post.


   
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But, please, can you provide any Liber L quote that speaks directly to more than one person? ....

Why?  What purpose would that serve in terms of you shredding my argument/point?

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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Why?  What purpose would that serve?

Thanks, I will use that answer for all upcoming "political" shit from you.

Or to anything that has "Bill Clinton Conspiracy" in it.

On the other hand, I might have pointed out out that your alleged "political relations" of Liber L are nonsense and ridiculous. But - what purpose would that serve?

Go mourn your Queen...

P.S. I see that your answer is edited now... "in terms of you shredding my argument/point"? Maybe you're a sensitive soul who abhors disagreements?

 

 

 

 


   
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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

an invitation for political discussion fighting, totally independent of the whole Black Lodge theme. Apparently others felt the same.

Quite a few others, most of whom said their "peace" and have now returned to the Pure Land where squabbles do not exist.

If you count the objectors, and list them by name, you'll have the roster of the close-minded old fogies who gang up on poor innocent posters who dare to exercise their futility. Pay no attention to the fact that the old fogies include some younger people, and some of them have open minds, so all is not lost ... yet.

Let's see how this dialogo rolls out ...

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maybe you're a sensitive soul who abhors disagreements but interprets them as 'fighting'

Disagreements are fighting. Not a physical plane knock-down, but mental and emotional clashing ... oh, yeah (it's a fight).

LAShTAL is famous for fights. If we were all in the same room, there'd be knock-downs galore.  Here we are, the threads are in the doldrums, and political expression, unrelated to AC, despite feeble dot-connecting, is seeping out of the bottom of the barrel.

But then, I'm one of those sensitive souls.

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yeah his answer was 'political'

Ignant is a politically-minded person who has asked you repeatedly, but more or less politely, to stop starting and maintaining political themes ... which you politely disregarded.

Of course it's all political, if it happens out there. My trademarked insertion, The Black Lodge, refers to the whole ball of swamp goo: Politicians, Agencies, Agents, Animal Control Officers - yeah, them: The Gov.  And their hired assassin Black Magician assistants.

Besides, Ignant saw the error of his ways, became a lawyer, and is now sitting this out on the sidelines, watching you make a fool out of yourself through

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nearly everyone in politics and religious movements has been called out a Black Lodge guy.

Darn right!  As I've said before, You're not really "somebody" 'til you've been expelled or publickly denounced.

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EVERYTHING relates to politics also.

333 Ch 23 specifically exempts one from politics. Jesus also said, "Render unto the Politician, but grow your own lilies in your own field."

Generality Extremes ("EVERYTHING") cannot be accepted or anybody can say anything about any subject (minus UK=USA illegal actions) whatsoever ... and this place will be like FaceLess, Flutter, Spookify - those filthy places called social media.

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

Maybe you're a sensitive soul who abhors disagreements?

Ah, good, we can leave it at that. Everybody's a Sensitive Soul (S.'.S.'.).

 

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I went on to explain how politics relates to the Liber L maxim

By the way, you don't have to explain that, because in the end EVERYTHING relates to the Liber L maxim, and, funnily, EVERYTHING relates to politics also.

But, please, can you provide any Liber L quote that speaks directly to more than one person? Apart from "But ye, o my people, rise up & awake!" and "As brothers fight ye!" Sorry, I don't know it all by heart. Isn't it so that Liber L is all about YOU and YOU alone? And isn't it so that a symbolic text is the worst one could choose as a political manifesto?

Sorry for the double post.

Every sentence of the book is for all. Most don't know about the book. 

I suspect that those who become billionaires (out of the human community's present economic system) and who fail to do any serious philanthropic work  are 'the outcast and unfit, 'the poor and the sad' and 'the wretched and the weak' as spoken of in Liber L.     

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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Every sentence of the book is for all. Most don't know about the book.

No. There are a lot of senteces only addressed to "the Prophet", and most sentences are addressed to one person - you - only. I named two exceptions, there might be more. It surely is for all, but not as a group of all. It is for all individuals, and I would argue that that is what it is all about. The individual. You. And you are right, most people don't know about it. And that doesn't matter because it is about YOU alone.

I suspect that those who become billionaires (out of the human community's present economic system) and who fail to do any serious philanthropic work  are 'the outcast and unfit, 'the poor and the sad' and 'the wretched and the weak' as spoken of in Liber L.     

I would argue that blaming only the billionaires is too easy (although I think you are not wrong), we all have to check ourselves.

Anyway, the Black Lodge are always the others.


   
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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

you are right, most people don't know about it. And that doesn't matter

This is correct. If anyone is supposed ("destined") to encounter said Libere, the Attractive Principle will see to its delivery.

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we all have to check ourselves.

Anything short of taking full responsibility for everything one perceives is missing the point completely.

 


   
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you are right, most people don't know about it. And that doesn't matter

This is correct. If anyone is supposed ("destined") to encounter said Libere, the Attractive Principle will see to its delivery.

 

Yes, I first heard about it in Colin Wilson's book The Occult,he did a chapter on Crowley. It was a high street  best seller.  Later on  my school friend, the son of a hippy Leftist, lent me Wilson/Shea's The Illuminatus and The Illuminati Papers where Crowley is referenced moreso.  That's my story of how became 'chosen', lol.

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