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wellreadwellbred
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04/11/2019 2:23 pm  

Jamie J. Barter: "... the “common cohesive goal” [of “Black Lodge” guys and gals] would be to promote their “business, agenda and profits” in other words their interests, in terms of optimising as far as possible their mutual self-advantage (if this can’t be seen as a contradiction in terms). A sort of Black “United Nations”, in other words. There must be a heck of a lot of double-crossing going on if so.
But in such an eventuality would this collective “breathing together” have some long-term ecological agenda as a goal also these days, I wonder? In other words: a cost-benefit analysis of maximising profits for themselves versus fucking up the planet for everyone (with themselves included)." (Source: REPLY #117432 on page 6 in this thread - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/examples-of-the-black-lodge/page/6/#post-117432)

AC does with respect to one A. Hitler, in a letter (chapter) titled Magical Power, contained in the book Magick Without Tears, state the following: "His only trouble was that he couldn't count on his fingers!"

It is extremely likely that the super rich “Black Lodge” guys and gals actually can count on their fingers, far better than said A. Hitler could. Them being thus capable of calculating what our common home planet can take of exploitation and profiteering, without destroying their own species and the place they live.


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04/11/2019 6:10 pm  

wr: Does this state of things entail that having a property directly bordering an area under such secrecy and security, will also benefit the property owner[-s] with said secrecy and security?

No. We live in a small (100 homes) residential area that is slightly (1/2 mi / 1 km) removed from a rural, agricultural zone (the "floodplain" of the Rio grands, much like farms at the edge of the Nile). As I said, the only sign that the gove is even nearby is an occasional helicopter buzzing by. These gove ploaces are "locked down" so tighly that nobody knows they are there ... unless one is purposel;y going to them. Note: the guards will stop you and ask your busy-ness.They have guns. Smile, you are on video.

The County Sheriff and his Deputies are in charge of out local security. With a 911 (emergency) call, it only takes 10-30 minutes for two of them to arrive.

jb: um… Thelema ?

Okay, folks, don't shoot. Jamie, please come closer so we can interrogate you more finely. You don't have the current (worthless) password, which is now revealed as worthy, but you've got the Word of the Aeon, so maybe we can arrange something.

jb: see : Dr Strangelove ... (I dunno no French, except wee-wee, which means "yes, yes") & Well met here again!

Yesterdays Headline:

Mikhail Gorbachev tells the BBC: World in ‘colossal danger’

Current tension between Russia and the West is putting the world in "colossal danger" due to the threat from nuclear weapons.
In an interview with the BBC, former President Gorbachev called for all countries to declare that nuclear weapons should be destroyed.

jb: I’m still thinking about that Well & was rather waiting to see if there was any response by anyone else first

Wisely so. I jumped in and wrote on forever. As you may have noted, there are mixed metaphors, contradicting solutions, and no true focus in Thiel's message. I have withdrawn my Yellow school nomination. I will not vote for Black. I have suggested that he is a financial wizard who was bought out by The Black Lodge, but not invited in. He is simply another voice crying out during the climate change toward wilderness.


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04/11/2019 8:31 pm  

@Shiva :

Note: the guards will stop you and ask your busy-ness. They have guns. Smile, you are on video.
How darned nosey of them... the sheer impertinence... it's a shame you can't just tell them to bugger off and jolly well mind (their own busy-ness), as would be eminently appropriate.

The County Sheriff and his Deputies are in charge of out local security. With a 911 (emergency) call, it only takes 10-30 minutes for two of them to arrive.
Plenty of time, then, if a crazed homicidal armed maniacal intruder is busy busting/ bursting in --- not!

jb: see : Dr Strangelove … (I dunno no French, except wee-wee, which means “yes, yes”)
It means roughly, the more things happen the more it's the same-old same old...
Referring to the fact that, I don't know whether you noticed, but I used the very same clip just the other week in the other thread about what would be suitable in a trailer for a film about AC's life depicting "the world was destroyed by fire" in 1904. Small one! (world)
& We[']ll me[e]t here] again!
=Deja vu

In an interview with the BBC, former President Gorbachev called for all countries to declare that nuclear weapons should be destroyed.
I may be a touch naïve perhaps but I thought after the Wall came down, the USSR collapsed and the Cold War was said to be "over", there wasn't any need any longer to have these things around after all. Why weren't they destroyed/decommissioned then? What was it that I seem to have missed?
Now, we've got all these other countries about to acquire their own nuclear technology and overabundance of warheads. It just takes one accident, for one of them to be let off (as almost happened on several occasions on both sides, so we are told) for it to be curtains. And there's plenty enough of radioactivity (and cancer cases) around already as it is.

@wellreadwellbred :

Them being thus capable of calculating what our common home planet can take of exploitation and profiteering, without destroying their own species and the place they live.
They must be aware that it's a pretty close thing then, as we're all ultimately in it "breathing together" exactly the same (polluted) air as one another.
On the matter of cracking the whip, still waiting to see your view on what the difference, if any, between PT's outlook of "transcendence" and "interiority" would be?

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04/11/2019 8:52 pm  

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White also needs to hide from black due to targeted black needs to hide their true from all because target ‘kadaitcha’ in order to hide to function

Yes. Profound words applicable to the battle of conquest.
Applies to all schools.
The Law is for all.

The target 4 colours rather than 3 as better for shadow school categorization completing the circle.
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Differentiates from Grade. Hermit, Lover, Earth who can be of any school. Love all.

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04/11/2019 9:36 pm  

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04/11/2019 9:41 pm  

jb: What was it that I seem to have missed?

Russia and the USA have both pulled out of the Nuclear Arms Pact/Treaty.
The Cold War is on and running, again, in fact.
We hardly know what to do, or act.
Our world may become cracked.
We may be sacked.
Or hacked.
Tracked.

Did you really miss all that. It was in the Daily BBC Doodad quite a while ago (months?).

Oh, crap! Pretty soon we'll be back to DROP drill;s (hiding under the desk as the windows shatter) again ... like we did in c. 1950.


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04/11/2019 10:02 pm  

New-Age swastikas yet! What will these kids think of next?!

I do not see what Jamie B and Shiva are bickering about- some sort of cultural differences thing? Two perfectly nice aging Thelemites, fighting as brothers are wont to do. Discussion of passwords and firearms has a way of doing that to folks, but settle down yo- can't we all just get a bong?

Peter Thiel is certainly a Black Lodger through and through. He bankrupted Gawker when he funded the Hulk Hogan lawsuit, in revenge for Gawker having earlier outed him (Thiel) as gay. A vampire, and living argument for a higher marginal income-tax rate.


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05/11/2019 1:01 am  

Ig: Peter Thiel is certainly a Black Lodger through and through. He bankrupted Gawker when he funded the Hulk Hogan lawsuit, in revenge for Gawker having earlier outed him (Thiel) as gay. A vampire, and living argument for a higher marginal income-tax rate.

Well, if you'd have a tolden us that sort of thing back when requested, maybe we could have cut through some of the crap.

But noooo ... you were probably off on one of your journeys (wherein you maintain radio silence while in the field). You don't seem to understand that we need you plugged-in all the time. Dr Strangelove is only held in check by accurate, up to date data. We're not on that 3rd ray like you, the full-length video of which has been recently released (R.'.R.'.). What's in it? UFOs, Lawyers, Businessmen, Social Workers, Fiercely territorial gunslingers, and hard-core survivors, that's what. You, that's who. Stay close. When the rat's away, the mice will play.

Jamie and I hold some of those characteristics, as we all dabble in some elements of all the rays, but we're not up to date in external reality. I mean, Jamie didn't know we were back in the Cold War, and I didn't even know who PT was when his name first came up here. I did know about hulk vs Gawker, but now you turned a dim light on the the back room. "Click; click" - "Oh, i can see now," said the blind man.

Actually, Jamie and I have recently come into agreement regarding two axioms or concepts. I will be consulting the I Ching regarding "How many axioms must be agreed upon before founding a new religion or lineage or coffee shop?"

I have a PayPal account and a PayPal credit card (2% cash-back on all purchases - no limits). I now put a question before this August (no, it's November) Council:

Am I, as a PayPal Partcipant (P.'.P.'.), a member (or flunky) of The Black Lodge?

jb: it’s a shame you can’t just tell them to bugger off ...

I hate to be then one to break this news to you, but ...

Man does not have the right to go where he will. Well, if we were Mr. Bond, our Will would be to get through or around the buggers.

PS: I have been "through." I had to surrender my gun to get through. They gave it back upon my departure. This is all covered in Trinity, which can be yours for free. No cost. the Oath is simple. Anyway, (PS): The inside of the White Sands Missie Range (created one month before the Trinity blast, by confiscating rural ranches) is dotten with entrances to underground somethings (tunnels, closets, bunkers?). From the air, and thus satellites, they appear as nothing because they're just sloping hills. But a slice is found at one end (clearly visible from the road) within which is a great big steel, double door. Rusted and Locked. With a jeep or truck parked in front, with an armed, friendly guard waving you on ... further down the road to Trinity Site.

Photos were forbidden. Penalties of Penal Prisons were flouted everywhere. But we could take pics inside the Trinity Site. Jamie, please razz me at notarajah@gmail.com, because I want you to have Trinity. You once rustled me for some doc, but I don't retain addresses once sent.

Trinity is also surrounded or accompanied by "Deep Space Surveillance Radio Telescopes." Pictures not permitted. Damn, I know someone who snapped one (not me, I'm innocent, I only asked for a pic ... before I read the sign. Vision problems. That's not a sarcasm). So when you come, we'll have to go "over there" to see if the pic is even still intact. I suggested deleting it.

jb: Plenty of time, then, if a crazed homicidal armed maniacal intruder is busy ...

Aha! You caught my point. this is a third thing we can agree upon. What name will we assign to our (Trinity) Church?


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05/11/2019 7:34 am  

JJB: "On the matter of cracking the whip, still waiting to see your view on what the difference, if any, between PT’s outlook of “transcendence” and “interiority” would be?"

My view on this difference is irrelevant, as this perceived difference pertains to Peter Thiel's own view with respect to the following:

In the interview with him discussed in this thread, “interiority” is by PT related to “the drug counter culture”, “video games”, “a lot of entertaiment more generally”, “the world of yoga”, “meditation”, “this world of interiority”, that he describes as (stated by him at 8:45) “super inward facing”. PT does in said interview argue that there has been too much emphasis on this “Interiority” in the last 40 or 50 years, and that there should be more emphasis on what he refers to as exteriority, (defined by Peter Thiel as “doing things in the real world”, 7:35 – 7:42).

Acording to he wikipedia article about him (sourec: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel), Peter Thiel applies the mimetic theory of René Girard to his personal life and business ventures, when stating: "The big problem with competition is that it focuses us on the people around us, and while we get better at the things we're competing on, we lose sight of anything that's important, or transcendent, or truly meaningful in our world."

According to said article, Peter Thiel has "cited lack of transcendental value in his work", as a reason for leaving a law firm job after less then a year.

The just quoted imformation contains further referenced sources, that you might find useful, if you want to get more information about Peter Thiel's view on the transcendent and/or the transcendental.

And, now, again, I ask you. What do you think of my already stated question: Is the way of thinking demonstrated by Peter Thiel in this interview, can be related to the term the Black Lodge as understood by AC??? That is, as the thinking of a Non-Redeemable Bad Guy = The Bad Guy that can/will not see the error of her/his selfish ways, due to being a victim of Spiritual Pride and/or inflation and exacerbation of the Ego. (Based on AC’s use in MWOT, of the terms “the Black Lodge”, “the Black Brothers”, “The Left-Hand Path”.)


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05/11/2019 4:17 pm  

And, now, again, I ask you. What do you think of my already stated question: Is the way of thinking demonstrated by Peter Thiel in this interview, can be related to the term the Black Lodge as understood by AC??? That is, as the thinking of a Non-Redeemable Bad Guy = The Bad Guy that can/will not see the error of her/his selfish ways, due to being a victim of Spiritual Pride and/or inflation and exacerbation of the Ego. (Based on AC’s use in MWOT, of the terms “the Black Lodge”, “the Black Brothers”, “The Left-Hand Path”.)

Leaving the question aside for Jamie to take another swing at for the moment.

Instead regarding :
Non-Redeemable Bad Guy = The Bad Guy that can/will not see the error of her/his selfish ways, due to being a victim of Spiritual Pride and/or inflation and exacerbation of the Ego. (Based on AC’s use in MWOT, of the terms “the Black Lodge”, “the Black Brothers”, “The Left-Hand Path”.)

Traitor is thelemical
know & destroy alchemical

Who is a Traitor then? Know clues.

Lodge and school confusion is annoying to deal with although does indicate properties perhaps on the path to.

Getting back to the question posed Jamie
Ultimately my answer would have biblical PROVIDENCE
and muses singing
A choir led:
Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on

Thelema.


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05/11/2019 11:07 pm  

@shiva :

I mean, Jamie didn’t know we were back in the Cold War. [...] Did you really miss all that. It was in the Daily BBC Doodad quite a while ago (months?)
No I didn't miss it.  Sometimes I might exaggerate my naivete a little for purpose of dramatic effect & all that, but alas and alack! it didn't seem to stay "over" very long, did it?  The nettle should firmly have been seized & the iron struck while it was still all hot and happening in the early 90s...

Oh, crap! Pretty soon we’ll be back to DROP drills (hiding under the desk as the windows shatter) again … like we did in c. 1950
Those were the same as all those "Duck and cover!" drills, I presume.  Hard to believe that they could have been real and not just satire..

@ignant :

--- some sort of cultural differences thing? … but settle down yo---
Seems like someone might have managed to fall out of bed, land with a big bump and had a bad day (the opposite of when you Americans bid one another to "have a nice day")?

can’t we all just get a bong?
Could this be some auto-correction for "all just get a long" (like some bunch of altruistic old hippies together)?  Or is it actually a reference to that illegal ganja smoking apparatus (like the same bunch of old stoners) ?

@wellreadwellbred :

And, now, again, I ask you
And now, again, I seem to be hearing the sound of a whip being cracked.

"♫ Whip crack away, whip crack away, whip crack away" (Doris Day)
N Joy


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05/11/2019 11:57 pm  

JB- Old stoners perhaps, though i'm taking the Fifth Amendment on that one, but hippies? Never.


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06/11/2019 1:03 am  

jb: illegal ganja smoking apparatus

Um, I hate to be the one ... again ... (well, last time you really knew), but I have access to perfectly legal said "stuff," and Ignant lives next to a State where anyone over 18 can buy it and use it for any purpose except driving or operating cranes/jackhammers.

jb: I seem to be hearing the sound of a whip being cracked.

Step aside Jamie, I'll take the lashes for you.

WRWB wants to know if PT's rhetoric in one muddled speech/interview makes him a 7=4 who missed be ing properly aligned when he jumped into the Abyss ... AC's definition.

NO. He shows no signs of having attained any lesser rungs on the ladder. He is a financial wizrd. Some people have that knack. I don't. But he's an idiot savante, so to speak, when it comes to spiritual matters (idiot in metaphysics / savant in money. Lucky him. (end of the final solution).

As for PT being part of the 01% that is loosely defined as The Black Lodge Network, he was "No. 328 on the Forbes 400 in 2018, with a net worth of $2.5 billion." (Wikipedia). That easily puts him in the upper 01%.

As for being part of the 27 (30? 50?) people we suspect of being The Oligarchical Black lodge ("The Lords of Matter" on Earth), he's not running in that league.

As for being fired by Gawker, regardless of the reason, that happens all the time. I have always been an "at will" employee. That is, my boss could fire me anytime for any reason. Too bad.

As for PT funding (maybe even planning and planting) Mr. Hulk, with intent to destroy Gawker, that happens all the time. It's called "personal or corporate intrigue." Some people would call it "revenge" or "good business." Such acts, of course, prove he is dangerous.

Ig: hippies? Never.

I was in WalMart today. I saw a real hippie. He was young (under 30). He accompanied a woman and two children. Clothing, beard, hair. We have a few old hippies here. they ride motorcycles or drive trucks and can be seen shopping (in large numbers) at Harbor Freight depot (tool store. sturdy, cheap tools from China. 5% import tax). But young hippies? Lord preserve us, the cycle is coming 'round the mountain again.

Further details on PT might be revealable if any one of you can convince him to stop by my pad for, say, twenty minutes.


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06/11/2019 4:33 am  

Gee z us
I’m still being cycled through the wash
trying to get to low level sorcery
and tryn a ting you know
feed

and dem vultures
come for ah pickin
ha

for the good of the humanoid
understanding of things

to justify

piglets loved to play
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06/11/2019 11:30 am  

Every male hippy and female hippy is a star not 'a hippy'.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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06/11/2019 3:48 pm  

Every male hippy and female hippy is a star not ‘a hippy’.

There are stars and stars. Doesn't mean you have to let them in the front door.

Hippies Use Side Door


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06/11/2019 3:51 pm  

[Content in bracets added by me.]


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06/11/2019 3:53 pm  

"I interviewed hundreds of individuals who are at the peak of their career and at the peak of their life. They are crushing it at work with money, but they're also healthy, well, successful, and enjoying life. And none of them, ever credit their education or hard work for how they got there. [...] what they all talk about is they've been able to access certain altered states of mind that some people dismiss as being spiritual. But the fact of the matter is human beings are not taught how to tap into altered states of awareness, to make an impact on the world. And in this Masterclass on Mindvalley on the concept of bending reality, I go deep into that formula."
(Source: Bending Reality With Vishen Lakhiani - Mindvalley Masterclass Trailer[.] Don't buy the lie that success takes a certain education or hard work. What it actually takes is accessing an inner state that lets you bend reality.[:] https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2224769984260809)


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06/11/2019 3:55 pm  

Hmmmmm?!? Does the thinking expressed by Vishen Lakhiani in my above quote from him, applie to one of what AC called "The Three Schools of Magick"?

Or is this Vishen Lakhiani an example of what AC in In Magick in Theory and Practice – Chapter 21, refers to with the term 'Black Magicians'? (According to AC known for their "use of spiritual force to material ends", and for “That the most crass ignorance of Magick is their principal characteristic”.)


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06/11/2019 4:06 pm  

'Bending Reality With Vishen Lakhiani – Mindvalley Masterclass', reminds me a little bit of something covered on this site in a thread titled Strange Angel https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/strange-angel/, in which I mentioned that in episode 8 (of season 1) of the TV series Strange Angel, an actor playing Jack Parsons says, “You have to bend them to your will. You can do it, you just have to believe you can.” (Source: https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/strange-angel/?bbp_reply_to=108879&_wpnonce=aaa4bb5b51#new-post)


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06/11/2019 4:34 pm  

I tentatively nominate hippies for the black lodge because they are actually buying into the control/borg system more by fighting it so (half-assedly).

Why/how?

Counterculture is mainstream culture now. Marijuana, comics/video games, lo-fi/indie folk music, 'occulture', 'illuminati' ...even the internet and smart phones which used to be counterculture is now a hardwired part of even hippies brains. They talk about going out in nature but they are busy watching youtube while driving their Subaru outbacks and getting into accidents.

In contrast to the hoi polloi/majority of society these days it is more niche and rebellious to go along with capitalism and conservative values than to try and be a granola munching, paper-straw-sucking, soy latte-drinking, plant-burger mashing long-hair-wearing sandal-wearing, WTO protesting, daddy's-money spending 'progressive' hippy.

At least round these parts of these 'united' (untied) States.

Perhaps if I lived in another state I would feel different.


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06/11/2019 4:36 pm  

'What it actually takes is accessing an inner state that lets you bend reality'

This sounds like more repackaged 'The Secret' nonsense.
Visualise that sports car.

As magicians, we know visualization and focus works, but putting it into terms like 'bending reality' is disingenuous. It is actually more akin to 'being/knowing reality'

Pay for that course!


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06/11/2019 4:52 pm  

Please note, in the parlance of our times, I do not 'identify' as a 'Conservative' but what I am doing, is creating my own magick, by balancing out the super-left by being more moderately right. I am preforming my own yellow style balancing political magick. I am more accurately an 'Independent'
The scales must be even.

Speaking of the black lodge and Microsoft, who here does not think that people like Bill are is not actively sponsoring, the meddling with the DNA and germs/virii of Third World citizens for nefarious purposes?


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06/11/2019 5:02 pm  

is this Vishen Lakhiani an example of what AC in In Magick in Theory and Practice – Chapter 21, refers to with the term ‘Black Magicians’? (According to AC known for their “use of spiritual force to material ends”, and for “That the most crass ignorance of Magick is their principal characteristic”.)

It's difficult to say if Lakhaiani is an example from that excerpt. There is no outright dismissal of spiritual goals. The ordeals involved might shake a few nerves if they were talked about and could hurt sales which might cause an author on the subject to avoid the matter.

Without lamp people using spiritual force for material ends are easily led and deceived by the unseen. The gloss only given a toss. A darkness of mind imposed by their purely self-absorbed physical considerations.
Spiritual prescience in these matters is found in LVX and communion with Adonai.

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Ancient Ancestral Thunderbird
Osiris slain and risen.

Everywhere
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06/11/2019 6:39 pm  

wr: “You have to bend them to your will. You can do it, you just have to believe you can.”

The concept here is, more or less, correct. But the term, "Believe," is mot going to cut it. This "altered" state, wherein one conducts "bending," of reality or "them," is certainty (knowing), not faith (belief). I suggest some screenwriter slipped in "believe." Yes, this point can be thin as a hair, which can only be split under a microscope.

cs: ... the internet and smart phones which used to be counterculture is now a hardwired part of even hippies brains.

Oh, just wait 'til everyone gets a fartsmone implant shortly after birth (preferably within 7 days). "Dr Borg will see your infant now. "Say, it looks like you haven't been implanted yet. We can do you along with your kid. No charge." (Insurance happily pays for controllable implants). "Controllable" by the Ins Co or the Gov or your Boss.

cs: What it actually takes is accessing an inner state that lets you bend reality’ This sounds like more repackaged ‘The Secret’ nonsense.
Visualise that sports car.

Yes, and yes. Such "bending" of reality is usually temporary. Instituting a real change is more like it. The key to black/white lies in the motivation. The application of spiritual force to material ends has been (here) defined as the black side of things. Patanjali and AC both recommend avoiding the lesser siddhis and saving one's ions for the real deal ... contacting one's higher (inner) Self.

This is such a basic warning that egomaniacs everywhere disregard this advice and immediately start exercising the first siddhi that comes along towards the accumulation of money and the adulteration of the neighbor's wife.

"Reality" cannot be bent. One's perception of reality can be bent, altered, and repainted. This perception of reality is accomplished at Geburah (6th circuit). The 6=5 must "align his perception of reality with reality itself." Only after this alignment is accomplished can anyone think about changing things from the "white" perspective.

As magicians, we know visualization and focus works, but putting it into terms like ‘bending reality’ is disingenuous.

cs: the meddling with the DNA

This is possibly the most dangerous trick floating around today. The legends tell us that this sort of thing brought about the fall of Atlantis. I don't know/think if Bill is actively involved, but there are bad weenies who are experimenting in this area. Whenever they succeed, the Black Lodge will move in to take over, and control, the procedure ... for its own ends.


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06/11/2019 8:36 pm  

In the following source, Vishen Lakhiani presents his theory that there are four different levels of consciusness. If you are on the the first level of consciusness ("Level I Victim Stage") you need hard work, at the second level of consciusness ("Level II Thoughts Create Reality") you learn how to do more with less work, at the third level of consciusness ("Level III Servant to a Higher Calling") you tap into your consciusness, and at the fourth level of consciusness ("Level IV Oneness"), "flow", "mojo" and "becomming limitless", you will seem blessed by luck and will not be breaking yourself with hard work:
Source: The Lie Behind Working Hard For Success | Vishen Lakhiani: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4q43bvDGP4

(Hmmmm? My impression is that Vishen Lakhiani's theory that I just paraphrased, bears some resemblance to "Scientology's Belief in God Explained: The Eight Dynamics" (source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giS1hPmEaDw), where "... the eighth dynamic is the urge towards existence as infinity. This is also identified as the Supreme Being. This is called the eight dynamic because the symbol of infinity stood upright makes the numeral eight. This can be called the infinity or God dynamic."


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06/11/2019 11:14 pm  

How does a Black Brother view Thelema? Thelema got him to where he is. Does he want to disparage Thelemic practices for newbies or not? I guess this is analogous to someone who did a lot of e.g. D.M.T, had some great times on it but now 'teaches' the young about 'the dangers of D.M.T. usage'. Does he want more Black Brothers? If so then he wouldn't want to disparage it but encourage it whilst subverting it (Erwin Hessle a great example ….well, if he would've actually have attained anything that is). Maybe he wants to be the only Black Brother and therefore doesn't care for Thelema and what others get from it.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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07/11/2019 2:41 am  

wr: In the following source, Vishen Lakhiani presents his theory that there are four different levels of consciusness.

The four levels you described correlate just dandy with the first four initiations as presented by the TransHimalayan white brotherhood. We know them as 1=10, 2=9, 5=6, and 8=3.

My impression is that Vishen Lakhiani’s theory that I just paraphrased, bears some resemblance to “Scientology’s Belief in God Explained

Yes, every identification of stages of the spectrum of consciousness can be correlated to any other system. It is the motivation and the "slant" (viewpoint) that determines black or white applications.

I read your description and immediately saw key words, not from our Thelemic studies, but from the other (yin) stream. However, I must admit that those same words can be seen as achievement of prosperity, the primary goal the blackers hold out to their gullible audience. Let me skip the line-by-line extravaganza and cite one point: The 4th level (equivalent in my book to 8=3).

"... at the fourth level of consciousness (“Level IV Oneness”), “flow”, “mojo” and “becomming limitless”, you will seem blessed by luck and will not be breaking yourself with hard work.

This is all true, but we might take exception with the "good luck" and "avoiding hard work" conclusions. At this level the adept is freed from matter ... permanently. No Man returns. A bodhisattva is offered this liberation, but he refuses it and returns to help others.

If he/she returns, then he/she will re-inhabit the discarded vehicle. Said vehicle will still have it's old patterns. One is drawn back into matter and must survive somehow. Often, in the East, such persons are given food by acolytes or even the common people. In the West, such persons are often laughed at. You know those clauses in the 8=3 Oath? A list of them, the last one being "I will interprete all phenomena as a particular dealing of God with my Soul." (This God/Soul stuff is debatable, but that's not my point).

My point is that the list of affirmations is merely a code of conduct for the vehicle. When one is in samadhi, such lists or considerations are non-existent. It is the vehicle (when not connected in samadhi)that needs constant reminders. A Magister templi, operating in/through a dense vehicle, is only present when the trance is unbroken. Break the trance ("something always brings you down") and the vehicle is back to square 10 (Malkuth). Water, food, shelter, legal meds, and other necessities. If the body still moves, it's got 1st circuit motivation (survival).

So the Orientals have another quaint saying: "Before liberation, chop wood, carry water. After liberation, chop wood carry water." I don't buy this unlimited "good luck" or "escaping hard work" stuff; this is where we must question this particular pundit.

historically, liberated or illumined guys get chased out of Aegypt, crucified, burned at the stake (de Molay), or labeled "The wickedest Man in the World." Yes, the hard physical labor of digging trenches and hauling sacks of corn might be passed/past, but this occurs naturally with age. We old people don't do cement work because it will put us in the black lodge, um no, the hospital ... where we pay dues to the docs.

The exact same shit is going to happen before anyone wanders off into the deep gully, and when they climb back out. Says so in the scriptures. "Deem ye not of change. None shall be lifted up or cast down."

Those Titles of the 4 grades seem perfectly correct, but the conclusions (or promises) or outcomes or characteristics of (especially) that 4th grade sounds like that olde Black Magic known as prosperity.

So it can go either way. On the white side we have the bodhisattva, back to lend a helping hand. He/she will (ideally) be free of needs or wants, but a dense vehicle has been re-employed, so there's a struggle (we know it as the Frater Perdurabo vs the Demon Crowley).

On the black side we find "good luck" and "easy living." Oh, poop! That's not going to happen ... unless it happens ... which it usually doesn't.

So, WellRead, what overall context are we to take our author at? Is he preaching prosperity in any of its forms? Or is he suggesting giving all that up and going for the light? Don't get scared if the light turns out to be a Void.

As to your DMT example, I'll give the same answer. "Absolutely anything ..." you know the rest. But your fllow is a hypocrite, isn't he? He probably still smokes it, if he can find it. As individuals, self-reliant at that, we must assess every situation as it goes down. If anything is unusual, then it helps to think God is adjusting one's "Soul."

That is, if it goes down within one's field of perception and influence. If it happens "out there," and one sees it on TV, then I guess that's perception, but often one's influence is limited or nonexistent. One needs to know where the perimeter of their magic circle is. We are advised to disregard the activities of spirits outside that perimeter. Also, theoretical what-ifs are good for training the mind, but they won't help when ...

I looked over Jordan, and what did I see?
A Band of angels, comin' for to carry me home.

d: Does he want to disparage Thelemic practices for newbies or not?

This would depend on his "ray" or motivation. I was raised in Thelema by an old mama lion who eventually manifested all the "usual suspects" in the list of characteristics of a black brother/sister. Thelemic practices were always advised. One cannot do hard labor unless fortified by asana, pranayama, and banishing. You see? Absolutely anything can happen in a black lodge at any time.

Does he want more Black Brothers?

YES. he needs folks like him to conspire with.

NO. They would only make more competition.

How many sides does a real coin have? Absolutely anything ..."


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07/11/2019 3:18 am  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Alan_Singer: The preceding web address leads to a Wikipedia page about one Michael Alan Singer (or Michael A. Singer). Is he an adept of what AC alludes to with the term 'the White School of Magick', both having his creation bought in a stock deal valued at roughly $5 billion (source: https://www.cnet.com/news/healtheonwebmd-buys-medical-manager/), and also being recruited for senior leadership poistions by the billion-dollar public company buyer, without becomming an adept of what AC alludes to with the terms “the Black Lodge”, “the Black Brothers”, “The Left-Hand Path”?


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07/11/2019 4:32 am  

Acknowledgement to christibrany, who in REPLY 118102 in this thread, detected the following with respect to one Vishen Lakhiani:
"This sounds like more repackaged ‘The Secret’ nonsense.
Visualise that sports car."

Shiva: "So, WellRead, what overall context are we to take our author at? Is he preaching prosperity in any of its forms? Or is he suggesting giving all that up and going for the light?"

The first minute of the following video answers your question ("The Unusual Advice" was given to this Vishen Lakhini, by one Bob Proctor known for his role in the movie 'The Secret', and is quoted by Lakhini at 12:01) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzmPgwaBvzg - - - The Unusual Advice That Changed Vishen Lakhiani’s Life

In this video Lakhini at 8:10-15 claims that the term Thai massage parlour in New York City is a code word for a whorehouse, and I wonder if this claim is true according to ignant666, or anyone else familiar with NYC?


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07/11/2019 6:41 am  

Yes, any "Massage Parlor" coast-to-coast, in any big city, Thai or not, can be a cover. The cops, everywhere, are on to this, and Massage licensing is rather strict. It's easy though. Just get through a course in massage (Federal Financial aid is available for tuition), then pass their exam, display a LACK of a criminal record, and pay your fee. After that, whatever happens is between the massager and the client ... unless the client calls the cops, or (worse) is a cop. Massage therapists committing prostitution is one of our (USA) endemic epidemics. "Rampant" is a good word.

How about over there in Europa?

Note: Prostitution is legal in Nevada, so nobody has to claim "massage" as a cover. I believe the city of Las Vegas has banned this, so when you're there, you'll have to drive out to some smaller city or ranch or village.


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07/11/2019 1:21 pm  

@wormwood

I was just watching a mother bird feed her baby on sparse droppings .. the guy at the next table stood up and threw a sandal at them .. and he summed up so much..

The birds were doing their will… What was he doing .. interfering in the will of another .. I have now judged him as someone I do not wish to know or be around ..

One act showed me so much .. two he also asked 50 metres to chase other birds away..

Your words on the act reveal much...

The birds appear as a sign of The Sacred Heart.
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and the behavior of Black Brothers.
How they need to extend their influence. And it's not only about interfering with the will of another. It goes against Nature and Love.
They want to disallow people and beings that don't suit their standards. They want to be God in the temple. Nothing is too petty in their eyes to attempt this. They pretend to speak for Will in their attempt to deny it to others. Sometimes they succeed temporarily and to a degree; although that success is a failure for them that only serves their destruction and life goes on elsewhere.
It's funny that it was a sandal that was thrown. A symbol of movement and Life. Black Brothers throwing their life away.
They deny god and the divinity in others. They don't acknowledge the Wheel or the reincarnational play(or are in denial of reincarnation because it cannot be made to serve their ego and the limits of their knowledge.)
The goal of the Black Lodge is to suppress Light, Life, Love and Liberty. To keep what they gained for themselves. In effect they only deny it to themselves.

The Great White Lodge offers all
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07/11/2019 4:54 pm  

BBC (today): Bill Gates criticises Elizabeth Warren's plan for tax on super-rich

The richest guy doesn't want to pay for your health insurance. How selfish of him.

ww: The birds were doing their will… What was he doing ..

Sort of cruel of him, eh? But the birds weren't "doing their Will."
They were interrupted during feeding time. If they were really doing their will, the sandal would have missed, and they'd just keep doing their Will (the feeding ritual/practice).
"Do that and none shall say Nay." Nor disrupt your feeding.
Sometimes we get confused about "Will," and we use that word to justify our actions, or to criticize others


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07/11/2019 5:57 pm  

Excessive reductionism of the concept of Will to allow victim blaming is one of the first refuges of the Black Brother to try to find a means for social cover of inhumane acts.


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07/11/2019 6:38 pm  

I have been exposed. Mental concepts of excessive reductionism have revealed my true nature. I am the one everyone in this thread is trying to locate. Now I'll have to move, change my name, and start over again.


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07/11/2019 8:46 pm  

@shiva :

that 4th grade sounds like that olde Black Magic known as prosperity.
So, Mr Spock, T'Pau & all his kith & kin  with their greeting/ injunction/ commandment to all & sundry to "Live long and prosper" is therefore another "example" of Black Brethren/ the Black Lodge, is it not? (forgetting for a moment they are fantasy beings just like HP Lovecraft's; forgetting not that all is maya)...?

Don’t get scared if the light turns out to be a Void.
So, don't then (Avoid a Void)?

The richest guy [Bill Gates]doesn’t want to pay for your health insurance. How selfish of him.
Isn't Jeff Bezos top dog now?  Hard to keep up.  What's a few billion here, a few billion there to these tykes?  Amazon don't want to pay taxes either, so same difference (in effect, no) there..

I have been exposed. ... I am the one everyone in this thread is trying to locate. 
I thought you'd been fingered earlier, when the inaccurate accusation was made by the same finger-pointer of profiteering and growing prosperous from your 'trashy' books.  Can't be bothered to plough back through however many pages to bear this out however.  Plus ça change... the same old same old!  What're the rules --- how many times can you be exposed? (Is it three strikes and you're out?)

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07/11/2019 9:13 pm  

"prosperous? preposterous!", says the knave speaking to the little dog yipping at his heels.
Scurrilous control of the narrative regarding voices on the platform is price fixing in a sense. Black Lodge mafia setting currency values and what products can be traded and by whom in the marketplace of ideas. "Burn that witch!" "She turned me into a newt!"

As for ad hominems and personal attacks I know, I've dealt with it myself. Even here with minor dogpiling. No point in bringing up specifics as it's all part of being on the grid and the programs of course sent away along with those lost posts of theirs behind dimension 404.

The real loss is the limitation on currency and setting false values. A message can be traded and haggled.
Don't attack the messenger.
The argument is of the mind not the individual. It's of subtler substance than the material.
The true value of currency in this is the trade of ideas that assist development beyond the ego and the self.


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07/11/2019 9:44 pm  

jb: “Live long and prosper” is therefore another “example” of Black Brethren

No, of course not. Said greeting is drawn from fiction. Spock was a mentat not an intuitive Magister. It is also something like "Have a nice day," which is uttered by all clerks, cashiers, and sales people. Anyone can tell whether they really mean it or not by their inflection and the look in their left eye. Usually, it's a mandatory expression required by the company for further employment.

"Living long" may be a blessing or a curse. I was referring to the specific term, Prosperity, which is a code word for a specific philosophy within the new-age movement, wherein suckers pay money to Prosperity Gurus, in the hopes of getting much more money by magic without having to do any work. You may think of it as The Prosperity con.

So, don’t then (Avoid a Void)?

The void is the goal of any and all spiritual aspiration. Avoid it, or enter it at your pleasure or fear.

Amazon don’t want to pay taxes either

The Black lodge does not pay taxes. They receive funds from your/our taxes to fund their Military-Industrial Complex and Banks. They live high on the pig, but do not return anything due to loss of paper trails in non-profit corporations. I am experienced in such fiddling. Psst! Wanna set up a non-profit and become prosperous? See me. But hurry. i ave to move.

(Is it three strikes and you’re out?)

Yes. Well, there might be three triads, so a minimum of nine expositions might be necessary. I'm not sure of the exact numbers. Once is enough to promote moving and re-naming. I wonder why I only go under one primary name/motto? At every level there is Shiva, Shiva, Shiva. Maybe it's because I'm the ONE everybody is trying to nail down (up?). Oh, Hades! This is too much disturbance of the equilibrium. I'm staying put! Come and get me!

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08/11/2019 12:01 am  

No, of course not. Said greeting is drawn from fiction. Spock was a mentat not an intuitive Magister. It is also something like “Have a nice day,” which is uttered by all clerks, cashiers

Yes, I was of course not being serious here, and said as much in that it was drawn from fantasy (=fiction), while at the same time making the oblique observation that this never prevented the Typhonians (for example) in taking HPL's creations seriously themselves. And an extension (or reduction ad absurdum) of this interpretation of the greeting would be to say that everyone who wishes anyone eg "a happy and prosperous new year" at Christmas-time must be of the black persuasion themselves. Which they obviously aren't.

Clarifyingly yours
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Posted by: @wormwood

Never taken a dance lesson in life .. well how .. rainbows swirling in the sun.. well how.. cutter than a mley bull.. well how.. holy serpents batman ...one enjoys and gets to know the journey not rushing to result

 

Ever dance unassuaged of purpose with the Devil in the pale moonlight?

There is joy in the setting-out; there is joy in the journey; there is joy in the goal. ...the thread wherewith I guide you to the heart of the groves of Eleusis.

Chthonic serpents feature strongly.

What's a mley bull?

Big God.

 


More on discerning traitors

With so much natural darkness in the ordered diversity of the universe, and the traitor's chameleon tendencies, the necessity of distinguishing by identifiable unmistakable qualities of an impersonal spiritual nature is essential. The discussion has already revealed several ways of sifting out misunderstandings that may be a result of

  • School
  • Grade
  • Path
  • City of Pyramids/Night of Pan

Liber 418 describes the qualifications for residency. The blood of the Saints and the Graal.

In basic Thelemic terms, an identifier of an advanced adept in the ranks who could be a traitor would be their rejection or subversion of the mystery of Babalon. 


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11/11/2019 5:18 pm  

Stuffed my Reply my phone has more cracks in its face than I do   

 

Mal I find you posts Interesting and thought provoking .. yes I often dance alone in the moonlight .. very devilishly ... 


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11/11/2019 5:35 pm  

Enjoy each experience .. or find joy in all . If one does E joy all does that not contradict be 0 

 

Sorry for multiple I'm on my phone manager has switched net off hoping that those who paid their rent will bug those who didn't and hassle them getting pissed off so that they will pay rent and he will turn net back on   cos he got a visit by the owner today asking for his few months rent to be paid Up.. got to love people watching and blackness manipulation 
  • Lodge affiliation seems to have no tie or ownership of black  .  Here I have an example of controlling the pagan children and dragging them down further in the guise of being great and helping them.. those birdies are everywhere flying free ride
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  • But as was said to me they have nowhere else and nothing so they can't leave dependent on being dependent....  welcome to the hotel California. 

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@mal . Yes I often dance .. it's a about the devil inside

Yes, part of the internal process human life contributes to creating a child of Wisdom through the mindful interplay of known qualities of the Duality within and making discoveries that seed understanding in excess when accessible.

Posted by: @wormwood

But as was said to me they have nowhere else and nothing so they can't leave dependent on being dependent....  welcome to the hotel California. 

With a sonata creating the Moonlight Hotel.

Spoiler
The video is a great surrealist compilation that conveys aspects of inescapable hell and mashups with your reference and symbolism involved with your ideas.


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11/11/2019 8:58 pm  

In an attempt to steer the boat, er, thread off the rocks of disruption, I cite another Example of The Black Lodge. This one does not expose the shadow gov, or any bank ... it's right up our alley.

Surely, everyone has read The Black lodge of Santa Cruz. Surely. If not, then you must run out (in?) and download your free pdf. I don't know where, but Google, although obviously another arm of said Lodge, will find you a copy pronto.

What is NOT discussed in this dramatic, melodramatic, terrifying, (recent enough to be contemporary) historical, hysterical doc is that essentially all players were fueling the drama with methamphetamine. No wonder the cops finally came.

Certain personae in the tale have even come here, to LAShTAL, and you would probably recognize their avataric name.

The tale took place in the McMurtry era, the olden tymes familiar to many folks here (if they're old enough). That era gave way to the Beta era ... in which we all currently reside.

 


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11/11/2019 9:33 pm  

As someone who did not sleep between the ages of 17 and 27, i can say that daily methamphetamine use will invariably produce some very nutty behavior after about a week of steady tweaking. Very often there is violence and/or the police become involved.

While i have many fond memories of this period, and my behavior then is still often the subject of very entertaining stories told to me by others (of me doing things of which i have no recollection), i would be hard-pressed to defend myself as a paragon of sanity during those years.

Group dynamics can become very intense when everyone is going a million miles an hour, and bad behavior can easily get out of control. So methamphetamine is conducive to Black Lodge-y actions, and the fact that it eliminates most emotion can push things that way too.

Re-reading The Black Lodge of Santa Cruz now.

 

 


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11/11/2019 10:28 pm  

My jury is still out in regard to meth speed ice shards gear ... Ok pick it I keep losing replies so giving up trying for now


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12/11/2019 12:18 am  

Just read The Black Lodge of Santa Cruz. Thought i had read it before, but i don't believe so. For anyone who does not wish to evoke the daemon which is called "GOOGLE":

https://www.biroco.com/kaos/lodge.pdf

There is a lot of paranoia, many references to lack of sleep, obsessiveness over minute details of complex things, and many other indicia consistent with heavy methamphetamine use.

Combining Enochian magick and methamphetamine use just seems like such an obviously bad idea- for anyone inclined to think it might be good fun, do read this sad tale first, to confirm that my intuition proved correct in this case.

But this is a story of mostly sorcery ("Black Magick"), and possible ego-clutching in the face of the abyss (leading to "Black Brother"-dom), and a failed rebellion within the (c)OTO.

The only "Black Lodge" described is not the "rebel outpost" in Santa Cruz, but the familiar Caliph-ornian organization that does not publish the works of AC.

I am glad of never having joined any oath-bound orders after my expulsion from the B.'. S.'. A.'. . What a bunch of fruits and nuts.


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12/11/2019 6:17 am  

"Enochian Magic" and "Methamphetamine"(Meth) are two different topics. When combined, the magician better have his or her "control act" together.

Frater Aquarius told us, "Stay away from that Enochian stuff; it really works!" He also told us to stay away from "marijuana."  "Just a little bit can throw you into hallucinations."  Oh, heck. There's that control act again, obviously shaken by direct experience.

I am of the opinion that it (Enoch) really works. I wrote the details somewhere. So if it really works, and one dabbles or swims in that sea, then the concepts discussed in this thread are hopefully to be considered. Remember that phrase? Spiritual force applied toward material ends.

Meth was used extensively by the Axis and the Allies at all levels of military might. The Allies called them "pep pills." After the war, Meth was pushed into the background. When I went through the pharmacology course in 1962, it was not taught, or mentioned, or listed in the PDR or our drug-reference texts.

In 1966, I was running the crown & bridge lab for Dr. Frater Shem, DDS ... in his garage (it was actually a nice lab). He took me into his bedroom and opened his closet door. There were two huge bottles (5000 caps each) of seconal (a barbiturate), dexedrine (amphetamine), plus a smaller bottle (1000 tabs) of "Methedrine."

"What in the world is Methedrine, I asked. He handed me the bottle and I saw for the first time the letters "methampetamine."

"Any time you want some, just help yourself," he said. Well, he held a proper narcotics license and was in legal possession of this stuff, so that constitutes a vail prescription. We had used dexedrine throughout dental school at final exams time, so when I reported for duty at sundown, I sometimes I needed a Chi tonic to get through to dawn. Dexedrine kept me alert and focused.

(He also had a one-ounce jar of cocaine, usp (pure). It cost him $3.00 from the legal drug warehouse. I could also have the use of that, but I never availed myself.

One evening I opted for the Methedrine - to see if it was different.. The dexterity and dharana required for the proper preparation of gold crowns and bridges is the same as you want in your brain surgeon. So there I was, in the wee-est, darkest hours of the night, completely focused on minute details ... and these ghosts started flicking about me, trying to distract me from my work. I prevailed.

So then they started hitting me. The blows were about as strong as pieces of popcorn thrown against my head. I persisted. Then one of them plucked a few strands of my hair and I felt an electrical tingling in my scalp.

"Enough of this Shit!" I proclaimed. I set the work down. Picked up a magical dagger in the form of a plaster knife, and hauled off with a LBRP. That was the end of that invasion. The night proceeded quietly, and my work was completed by dawn.

Nothing in this narrative is meant to indicate a state of addiction, because it never happened. It was legal Chi tonification, on random, widely-spaced nights in the garage that never saw another ghost ... or the use of a Methedrine tablet.

Medical Note: These "upper" substances (dex, meth, coca) are not really Chi tonics, it just feels that way. They are actuall Yin poisons. They "poison" the dopamine (a yin, relaxing, neurotransmitter) in one's system ... and the nervous system goes yang.

So, yeah, Ignant, I concur. Meth and Enoch are a really potent, and dangerous, combo. I mean, look what happened in Santa Cruz.


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12/11/2019 2:12 pm  

It is still rumored that the age old practice of currying the ruler and coming under good graces, as well as to toe the line; officially does not exist.


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12/11/2019 3:09 pm  

Don’t bite the hand that feeds you
and those that put you in power.
Risk manage the free people that voted for Brexit.
Orchestrate a narrative and put it in demand.


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