Examples of the black lodge?
Shiva: "What is NOT discussed in this dramatic, melodramatic, terrifying, (recent enough to be contemporary) historical, hysterical doc is that essentially all players were fueling the drama with methamphetamine. No wonder the cops finally came."
The Black Lodge of Santa Cruz's author does on page 4 in this text, describe one David Jones as a main influence on him within the Thelema Lodge, and as "... one of the people accused of founding the Black Lodge. Same David is on page 5 in the same text also described as "... the only person I met in the Caliphate who looked me in the eye, and said drugs "are a vice, or they can be." Morality itself may have been a plastic concept, but the distinction between virtue and vice was an important consideration to a man such as himself." So, this doc, or this text, does at least contain said warning with respect to drugs.
At the current time it is my impression that the said Caliphate (OTO) has sobered up; "V. Miscellaneous Policy Matters [...] G. Drugs
Confirmed sales or solicitation for sales of illegal substances at a place and time (including time to arrive and depart on the occasion of a meeting) of O.T.O. is grounds for expulsion; and, in the event of complicity by officers of the O.T.O. body, automatically closes the body. In addition, sales of illicit substances or solicitation for sales at a place used solely by O.T.O., regardless of the time of meetings, or by any person so acting as to convey either expressly or otherwise the impression that such sales or solicitation for sales is in any way a part of official O.T.O. activity, shall also fall under the strictures and remedies of expulsion and closure as may be appropriate to the actual status of the person or officer of the official body involved. No illegal drugs are permitted at any O.T.O. events or locations." (Source: Ordo Templi Orientis INTERNATIONAL CAMP, OASIS AND LODGE MASTER’S HANDBOOK Revised Spring Equinox, 2002 e.v. [...] Issued by Order: Hymenaeus Beta Frater Superior Ordo Templi Orientis O. T. O. - - - http://b-oto.org/OB_Handbook.pdf )
wr: Ordo Templi Orientis INTERNATIONAL CAMP, OASIS AND LODGE MASTER’S HANDBOOK Revised Spring Equinox, 2002
Yeah, the drug sale act was introduced because the whole structure had turned into a pharmacy. Then outsiders started tweeting or broadcasting bad references about OTO and its drug culture.
We must note that drug SALES are specifically noted. In order to polish their "reputation," such a restrictive policy simply had to be enacted.
All this fuss over a single line: To worship me, take wine and strange drugs ... and the stories get stranger and stranger.
All this fuss over a single line: To worship me, take wine and strange drugs ... and the stories get stranger and stranger.
Crowley really pushed the limits with his drug use but during his time these drugs were in many ways less taboo. (e.g. cocaine and morphine being prescribed by doctors.) He took it too far but it seems to have kept pushing him to his higher goals. Any drug can reveal a higher self if it obliterates the ego. He was an addict but probably figured it would be more costly to quit than to just continue and see his work through.
I constantly have to remind myself that a good portion of the world is on drugs either prescribed or illegal or on legalalized recreational drugs such as pot. For better or worse it does have an effect and needs to be taken into consideration when dealing with anyone.
But perhaps Aiwass was simply suggesting a glass of wine each night and a DMT or Mushroom trip a few times per year?
Ok maybe not. The Mother's Little Helper phenom of the 50's may have created the pillheads of today, but it also set up the masses for "God in pill form: Aleister" (LSD say it slowly aL-eiS-Dear=Alice Dear=LSD) which was mass ingested from the 1960's forward.
Didn't the Black Lodge (CIA) mistake LSD for a mind control drug? An experiment that got wildly out of control and had to be constrained with violence? (my hypothesis)
It would make sense that the Black Lodge is fueled by Meth or its phamacuetical equivalent. Incessant violence, occult weirdness, and lack of empathy being the result.
@shiva Re below. Enochian experiments are what Los started out on before doing any foundational sensible Liber E/O work I assume. Presumably blew his mind sideways and then led him down the rabbit hole of Hessleian reductive materialism.
Frater Aquarius told us, "Stay away from that Enochian stuff; it really works!" He also told us to stay away from "marijuana." "Just a little bit can throw you into hallucinations." Oh, heck. There's that control act again, obviously shaken by direct experience.
I am of the opinion that it (Enoch) really works. I wrote the details somewhere. So if it really works, and one dabbles or swims in that sea, then the concepts discussed in this thread are hopefully to be considered. Remember that phrase? Spiritual force applied toward material ends.
d: Enochian experiments are what Los started ...
Interesting. If so, then that would explain a lot (to us who have dueled with him).
The surely would explain a lot....indeed.
'There is no being in the outermost Abyss, but constant forms come forth from the nothingness of it.
Then the Devil of the Aethyr, that mighty devil Choronzon, crieth aloud, Zazaz, Zazas, Nasatanada Zasas.
I am the Master of Form, and from me all forms proceed.
I am I. I have shut myself up from the spendthrifts, my gold is safe in my treasure-chamber, and I have made every living thing my concubine, and none shall touch them, save only I. And yet I am scorched, even while I shiver in the wind. He hateth me and tormenteth me. He would have stolen me from myself, but I shut myself up and mock at him, even while he plagueth me. From me come leprosy and pox and plague and cancer and cholera and the falling sickness. Ah! I will reach up to the knees of the Most High, and tear his phallus with my teeth, and I will bray his testicles in a mortar, and make poison thereof, to slay the sons of men.'
Sound like somebody be stuck up in they black tower of Loss.
at the end of the day ..or beginning of the next there is so much to address in the above comments
I hereby proclaim I am not white and I am not black ........... I am white and I am black
I am a rainbow ... and if rainbows can cross the abyss great... bring on the new experience...but no dictating to me cans and can'ts and do's and don'ts and wills and won'ts ... hey the opposite of will should be win'ts
if they can't *shrugs.... no time to sulk about things you haven't known to actually miss when there is too much too actually do... like nothing... and lama
that master of form is a ripe bitch isn't she...
ww: I hereby proclaim I am not white and I am not black ........... I am white and I am black ... I am a rainbow
Yes, we all know that you are cosmic consciousness and all the archetypes (A.'.A.'.), and that you're having a hard time expressing yourself before the pigs on planet earth ... but this is a "New Member" thread, and it's about someone else. And here you are, expounding your virtues ... again.
ww: that master of form is a ripe bitch isn't she...
Please be careful wormw, you are teetering toward the edge again.
(If my seniors will permit me to post something on topic...)
The ‘Freemasonic Order of the Golden Centurium,’ a confabulation of Franz Bardon which appears in his cryptobiography Frabato the Magician typifies the popular conception of a ‘black lodge’ contemporary to nineteen-thirties Germany; so much so that Guido Wolther claimed to have rituals putatively written by the founders of the FOGC in the nineteenth century, and had the Fraternitas Saturni perform them when he was Grandmaster. Some individuals asperse that F.R. Quintscher was one of Bardon’s students (or mentors, as I’ve also heard), and would have had a part in thinking up the myth of the FOGC.
(This is the consensus, anyway. I’m not personally controverting the existence or nonexistence of the FOGC. I have no beliefs tied up the matter.)
If memory serves, Bardon’s book said the FOGC’s membership never fluctuated from 99 brothers -- with the one-hundredth place taken by the Lodge’s collective ‘demon’, which the book presented as being a demon in the classical sense. I forget which, if it did name the demon. The idea (again, as I recall) was that each brother was, upon initiation, given some demon subservient to the ‘lodge-demon’ in exchange for his ‘immortal soul’ or something to that effect. The sub-demons would grant their masters material wealth and power, etc. The new brother was, thereafter, made into a power broker or an industrial magnate, you can imagine.
The book also said they used a ‘Tepaphone,’ an apparatus not dissimilar to a slide projector (only projecting vibrations instead of vacation photos) to excite their enemies into various states from afar -- usually death.
(Even if we said the FOGC were real, I am not so base as to endeavor the purification of the book’s sensationalist and ostensibly ‘true’ plot into something potable to the parochial palate of the ‘modern’ magician, who I suspect operates according to a philosophical worldview many times removed from that of clandestine, continental freemasons of the nineteenth century.)
But this FOGC would only be ‘a’ black lodge, would it not? Not the capital T ‘The Black Lodge’.
‘The’ Black Lodge is then alleged to be the collective accidents of all men’s lowest, animal souls (the khet or even the shuyet) somehow working in tandem to procure evil ends for the world -- which I think is in contradiction to Thelema’s Saint Friedrich the Protoprophet and his ‘Inverted Platonism’. And it would be a curious metaphysic indeed to ascribe to a Malkut machine the programming of a higher plane, or perhaps the data is corrupt?
So, was the Black Lodge inside of us all along? Then again, maybe the real Black Lodge was the friends we made along the way.
dj: But this FOGC would only be ‘a’ black lodge, would it not? Not the capital T ‘The Black Lodge’.
Your abstract (summary) follows the general pattern of generally widespread tell-tales and scary legends. If one studies, say, a whole big bunch (a subjective number) of such myths, then follows the roots backward, one might well find one's historical mind exploring ancient Sumaria. Sumer-time, when the livin' was easy ... by virtue of magic.
The preceding Hindu civilization (the so-called first root-race) had a tradition of devas and asuras. We now call them Angels and Demons. The devas were separate from humanity (another dimension), but they would bridge the gap to assist humans. The asuras did not like humans, and would provoke disorders in the human realm. The devas and the asuras were constantly at war with each other.
The Sumerians inherited this tradition, but some wizards began to traffic with the asuras. Many carvings, clay, tablets, stelae, etc depict an unmistakable evocation of some dragon-like demon. The legends suggest this was the original intrusion of the so-called Black Lodge into our present maha-cycle.
Crowley suggested in some single concept that Aiwass was a demon-god back in sunny Sumeria. A full intake of this data might cause one to shudder and be wary. Could it be that the A.'.A.'., the head of which is Aiwass 93 10=1, is actually The Black Lodge? - as has been fully discussed on some ancient thread.
Sumeria's black magic brought about its downfall. Then the AEgyptians took up the next phase. The bad guys in their symbology were serpents and crocodiles. Sumerian Dragons are reptiles too. We can see where modern tales seem to universally drift toward an occult background influence of alien reptiles, collectively known as The Draco, with a ruling upper class and a more earthy lower class. The legends invite you to Meet the Asuras. Too bad I've never seen one in matter, maybe only as an overshadowing of some few dangerous dudes, but I have seen them on the astral plane. Keep your pentagram handy ... it appears to work every time.
So AEgypt (Khem) rolled along for quite a few dynasties, with out "Ankh" coming in just before the end. The end of native AEgyptian rule. This is the point where the Thelemic history seems to be rooted. Crowley's Across the Gulf is a novel ... but also one of my favorite Libers
Yes, your locally identified lodge is a black lodge. As I understand the term, The Black Lodge, it refers to all individuals and groups who apply spiritual force toward material ends.
We seem to agree that there is no godfather, no top dog (snake). If so, he/she would be The Devil. Crowley tells us, "There is no Devil. It is an invention of the black brothers." I agree, but am happy to designate the imprint each person caries in their first, survival, neurocircuit. This circuit governs Malkuth and its control room is known as our "reptile brain," down in the bottom-middle of our big brain.
No matter how one cuts it, the fact (factoid?) is that the entire concept of the black lodge rests interiorly.
PS. The masses of people who are playing dog eat dog (DED) in the daily grind of life, even the thieves and the soldiers, are not necessarily part of The Black Lodge. They probably inhabit a large portion of our readership. They/we/I are/am merely duped dorks who have to play the game in order to survive. We will pay for services, goods, taxes. We have no say in where the money goes once it leaves our debit account ... or even know how it is wasted, overpriced, or applied toward polital power. Please now get over your insulted status. I am writing about our dense physical vehicles. Anyone who doesn't need food, water, shelter, clothing, meds of any kind, please raise your hand.
Note: DED = 13. Obviously a devilish frenzy.
I don't think this is where we will find The Black Lodge level of consciousness. But it certainly is their field of endeavor. Keeping within Crowley's definitions and intimations, we are looking to identify (as Examples ... the OT) those individuals, groups, and (c)orporations that are knowingly applying spiritual energy toward material ends. There is a certain amount of skill required here, along with an ability to utilize energy (spirit) in a way to provide control over matter (gold, cash, digits, stocks, bribes, deaths, personal power, and that kind of stuff).
Wars are no problem for them, for they sell the armaments to one or both both sides, and make a profit. Their planes will take them away from war zones. If all this is fueled by any [gasp] "occult" practices, then we are zeroing in on our definition of The Black Lodge. At least that's how I see it.
It's a bit strange to see such little activity on the forums ... right after a sweeping leap into higher tech software. Has anyone figure out what the "bb" in "bbPress" stood for. "Bulletin Board?" you ask. Nah, that's just a cover.
Watching the response cycles, it would seem like some regular posters are absent during the workweek, but come alive on Freitag Nite and the weekend. So maybe they're out there in the workweek, working for The Black Lodge, or maybe they have an honest job, digging ditches or mowing grass. It's only a day or two 'til we see who shows up.
I can't say how close our expedition is getting to capturing this black feathered bird, but we are stumbling across its many paths -- which I find difficult to reconcile, if you don't find it gauche of me to air my misgivings in front of the entire camp.
If we agree that the primary locus of the Black Lodge, or even its source, lay in the lowest part of the self -- nefesh, epithumetikon, khet, Leary’s eighth circuit, all forces which drive the hunger to maintain the ever-decaying organism -- then the Black Lodge must exert its influence at the individual level, and herein lay the snags and pitfalls on our path to defining the Black Lodge itself and not merely its methods.
Firstly, if the Black Lodge’s source is firmly rooted in the animal level and goes no lower, and the Black Lodge itself is only concerned with the gratification of the animal desires, then can it really be called ‘Black’? Is it truly evil, or only in keeping with the greater trend of existence as we see it down here? It may be misguided in the sense that it prolongs or exacerbates already existent suffering, but not truly evil, as it did not create the original condition of suffering.
More importantly, is this Black Lodge then meant to find its origin in the Schopenhauerian Will to Live, or the Nietzchean Will to Power -- and if that is the case, is either Will functionally opposed to the True Will, or are they stumbling blocks to it, or even subservient to it?
Secondly, if the first condition is false and the source of the Black Lodge is lower than the lowest part of man (let us disregard the epistemological implications) then does the Will to Power become some Anti-Will or False Will, and is the True Will therefore simply the Will to Die? Or is it the other way around?
Would that be Thelemic Catharism? Is this the ‘Gnostica’ in Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica?
but no dictating to me cans and can'ts and do's and don'ts and wills and won'ts ... hey the opposite of will should be win'ts
that makes a dint.
one more thought on the birds since your last mention of them was left hanging.
The unwell fellow throwing his sandal could be said to appear as throwing his life force - his chi. Makes me think of the type of person that would blame the birds for a loss of chi and not take responsibility for themselves. And I agree, the guardian bird's will to survive and teach the young birds appears the proper orbit.
saw this on twitter...
"In 1947... And so it begins... - Roswell - CIA - MKULTRA - DoD - The Cold War - Israel"
Is this correct? any signifiance to this being the same year Crowley died? did the black lodge gain power starting in 1947?
dj: Leary’s eighth circuit ... drive the hunger to maintain ...
I assume you are counting from up downward. If so, and you mean the survival circuit, then I agree. It's just that Leary numbered the survival circuit as the first circuit. If ou mean the 8th quantum circuit, then all is upside down; we will have to call Chicken Little in to warn everyone, "The sky is falling."
dj: we are stumbling across its many paths -- which I find difficult to reconcile,
There are 49 shades of Black (not 50, as in the Gray movie, and not 51, as in Atma). So it's not "many paths," it's just 49 identifiable reflections of the light shining out of 49 ashrams. You may create your own number ... they're all infinite, but I say 49 as a token number, one I am stuck with for now. They only concept for reconciliation is to evaluate any given act/person/group (including one's own self) from the viewpoint of: Are they applying spiritual energy towards material gain? We have had some obvious, shining examples listed herein over the past 28 pages. Some examples are more subtle.
dj: Firstly, if the Black Lodge’s source is firmly rooted in the animal level and goes no lower, ...
The Black Lodge's source is shakily rooted in the ego of any given black brother or sister. They once entered upon a path that led to liberation, accompanied at the last moment by the ego-loss that is required for admission to another dimension. The black aspirant refuses to surrender control of their mind, retains a focal point in the abyss, then re-assembles an ego and a persona. It is said that they live in lonely towers in the abyss, but let's be less metaphorical and admit that they're strutting around on the physical plane. They are full-blown adepts who have an ego, not in the abyss, but on the causal plane, where they can cause things to happen. They carry the hallmark of being aggressive ... at the expense of their prey.
and the Black Lodge itself is only concerned with the gratification of the animal desires,
No, they are much more sophisticated than that. How would you like to enter magical combat with a true 7=4 who has gone mad? They deal in the gratification of their "client's animal desires."
then can it really be called ‘Black’?
Sure. It's just a metaphor.
Is it truly evil,
Yes, because it promotes duality. D + evil = Devil. The Devil has two horns (duality). The so-called Spiritual Path is synthetic. (It resolves duality, not a reference to polyester or research chemicals).
or only in keeping with the greater trend of existence as we see it down here?
Yes, because "down here" we are living in a world of duality. Black acts are performed in order to stack the chips and cards in one's favor.
It may be misguided in the sense that it prolongs or exacerbates already existent suffering, but not truly evil, as it did not create the original condition of suffering.
Suffering is created by existing. How did the Buddha put it? Let me paraphrase:
You are all fucked
because you have desires.
If you wanna be happy,
you gotta not want.
The White Lodge/School is devoted to the acceleration of human evolution through the use of Light (spiritual energy. The Black School/Lodge is devoted to slowing the process down. Crowley explains that burglars extinguish lights so he can more easily go about his burglary. The white and the Black are in direct opposition. The White Hats don't want the black buggers slowing things down.
More importantly, is this Black Lodge then meant to find its origin in the ... Will to Live (?)
Yes it is. Crosing the abyss means surrendering everything, including one's very life. Any less a surrender than that (such as crying ot as Frater Sol once did, "I want to live!") is the seed/core/point/center around which the ego gathers itself. Behold, a new black bother is born.
em: Is this correct?
Most of the items you listed did center in or around 1947. Roswell was the big one, but Socorro (45 min from my home) was the first one ... in 1945, about two weeks after we dumped fat man or little boy on Hiroshima. No more details. I'll send you Silicon Expose, if you don't have it.
The CIA was formed just after ww2, lifted out of the OSS (Office of Strategic Services). Israel opened for business in 1947. Yeah, it seems to all be true.
any signifiance to this being the same year Crowley died?
Only if you can produce Qabalistic proof, or letter-switching, or your intuition said, "Crowley was holding them at bay." Heck, I'd go along with that part of the legend.
did the black lodge gain power starting in 1947?
If you even remotely consider my preposterous proposition about this Black Asura stuff back in Sumeria? No.
If you concur with Col. Corso, whose job it was to convey alien technology from a wrecked 1947 ufo, piece by piece, to Military-Industrial Complex partners, from the Pentagon. Yes.
Your reference does seem to support an increase in power starting in 1947.
As the Typhonians know, although the Black Lodge was not 'founded' or 'gaining ascendancy' in 1947, that this increase in power towards 'ET' and 'nonhuman' UFO/UAP's, and increase in sightings, may have occurred due to some occult veil being rent open, or widened by the nuclear explosions of the 1940s.
The question then becomes, are those 'alien' 'beings,' part of the Black Lodge or not? Or are there Black factions (greys/insectoids) and White factions (nordics/taller whiter greys)? This is woo-woo territory of course 🙂
Or it might have been the Nazi SS, responsible for the destruction of an estimated six million souls who ripped the veil.
If the SS was not the best example of the black lodge in the 20th century, then i dont know what was. In this century the middle eastern death cult D'aesh (ISIL) attempted to come close
cs: some occult veil being rent open, or widened by the nuclear explosions of the 1940s.
That was the legend. That's exactly why I organized the Trinity expedition. To see if there was any evidence of "a hole being blown in the etheric web." Since we came back with photos indicating that that's exactly what happened, I have upgraded The Trinity Etheric Hole from possible to probable. Subsequent, related scenarios moved it even higher into an "Oh, my God!" classification.
There was only one blast here in New Mexico (1945). Within a month, the first UFO crash was held in Socorro, NM, about 45 minutes from here, and about 20 miles away from the trinity blast sight. That one was hauled away by the US Army, and then covered up. But there were credible witnesses. After that, future blasts were moved to Las Vegas, NV (in a lonely suburb, of course).
1950 has been designated by (some) scientists as the beginning of a new era in humanity's evolution: The Beginning of the Atomic Age (A.'.A.'.) ... right on schedule for unrolling the +/- 150-year transition of our definition of an Aeon.
The second, more famous, more poorly covered-up) ufo crash was in Roswell, NM, a couple hundred miles east of Trinity. This in 1947, June 14, 1947, just 6 months before AC's passing on and away ... if anyone wants to see or make a connection.
Transistors, fiber-optic cable, new computers, realistic TVs, arose shortly after Roswell.
The above-ground atomic tests in Vegas continued to blast away at the etheric web, which was (and no longer is) the barrier or veil between our little niche in the cosmos and the next dimension over ... our neighbors' dimension, so to speak ... at least that's what the urban and rural legends are saying.
cs: are there Black factions (greys/insectoids) and White factions (nordics/taller whiter greys)?
That's what the legends tell us. Just as there are good guys and girls, and bad apples, here in Terraland, there are reportedly good and bad aliens who are currently fighting for control of the open portals/gateways. I believe the Hindus called them Devas and Asuras, our Angels and Demons.
Since the really ancient Hindus were zooming around in a flying machine (see: Pushpak) and really into slaying demons, we might assume that the veil was open the, but later closed up tight as part of a quarantine againt cosmic evil.
I am neither channeling this stuff, nor citing it as fact, but merely repeating the legend(s) as rolled out during my entire lifetime. Nothing changes over time in the basic legend of trinity opening a door.
This is woo-woo territory of course
Woo-woo is a Los Territory located in the realm of illusion and self-inflicted trickery. Much of what you (or even I) cite is woo-woo-ish, but I have mounted expeditions and have both photos and videos, plus transcripts, that turn outer woo-woo into evidential fact. The "inner" woo-woo is yet undetermined (by me).
My outer woo-work has promted our distinguished poster, Ignant666, to state that I was mad (as in crazy, not angry) by email, to my face, and publickly here on LAShTAL He also certifies that this madness is benign and not institutionalizable. I have no opinion regarding the inner woo-work. I have read or heard the current legends, but I have never met an alien face-to-face, nor seen any lizards in human drag.
So, yes, whatever is really going on, here and in adjacent dimensions, is woo-land. My only hope at retaining what's left of my sanity is to deal with whatever I encounter in my short, infrequent forays into the outer-world (Walmart, doctors, dojo), and whoever comes knocking on the door (neighbor, sheriff, Jamie).
a: If the SS was not the best example of the black lodge in the 20th century ...
From my viewpoint, there is no "if" about it. I have long held out out the Axis as being the finest example of a fully-manifested Black lodge in our modern times. (I was born as Hitler was invading Poland, so for me it was "modern times" and I can say "I was there," but didn't know it, and besides it was "over there.")
In addition to the 6-million in Europe, we also find a similar 6-million Chinese being terminated by the Japanese in a similar genocide. The Japanese incident is not well known, generally covered up in history, but a short search will turn it up. A good starting search word is "Nanking."
However, I do not see the liberation of 12 million sacrificial victims being linked to the opening of a portal for woo-landers to use. If you persist in this line of thought, I (and others) may be forced to declare you mad, in emails, to your face, and here on LAShTAL.
I only say that in jest because I have photos, videos, and transcripts to use in my defense at the Tribunal of Commitment ... and for anyone else who drops by.
It’s as confusing as the slytherin;
the serpent up in there;
between Netzach and Tiphareth;
beaming through threads,
and Nagas trafficking
in the passage
i tell you
there’s a legend
achieve the balance
so that the logic, sanity balance
get off kiltered
as an adjustment mechanism
as factually stated
by a loony
Tiger: who has been absent,
Four in a row.
What a way to go.
I'm sure you know.
You'll be sent below.
where there is no snow
gas and vapours
“ The fish is sacred to Mercury, because of its cold-bloodedness, its swiftness and its brilliance. There is moreover the sexual symbolism. This again recalls the function of Mercury as the guide of the dead, and as the continuing elastic element in nature. “
The serpent is sacred, Lord of Life and Death, and its method of progression suggests the rhythmical undulation of those twin phases of life which we Call respectively life and death.
The highest aspect of the card is the Eagle, which represents exaltation above solid matter. It was understood by the early chemists that, in certain experiments, the purest (i.e., most tenuous) elements present were given off as gas or vapour. There are thus represented in this card the three essential types of putrefaction.
the dance of death
The Qabalists embodied in the Book of Genesis, Caps I and II, this doctrine of regeneration. NChSh, the Serpent in Eden, has the value 358: 50 also MShICh, Messiah. He is, accordingly, in the secret doctrine, the Redeemer. The thesis may be developed at great length. Later in the Legend, the doctrine reappears in slightly different symbolism as the story of the Flood, elsewhere in this Essay explained. Of course, the Fish is identical in essence with the Serpent; for Fish=NVN=Scorpio=Serpent. Also, Teth, the letter of Leo, means Serpent. But Fish is also the Vesica, or Womb, and Christ -and so on. This symbol resumes the whole Secret Doctrine.”
from The Book of Thoth ATU 13
T: gas and vapours
... and a comprehensive runup/rundown of Atu the XIIIth, which somehow pertains to The Black Lodge ... perhaps in its attribution to the construction of talismans (the practical aspect of said path as attempted by the aspiring aspirant who is trying find, or get into, The City of the Sun).
Shiva, in reply to my statement "So being a personally nice person, with positive values, does pertain to what AC called “the Black Lodge” or “the Black Brothers” or “The Left-Hand Path”?", wrote this:
"Many nice people merely have nice personas. Underneath, they are evil, and possibly super-rich.
Other nice people are actually nice inside. They are probably poor, or maybe middle-class, or mildly wealthy. Everybody i've known above that level has made a pact with some devil." (Source: First posting on page 13 in this thread; https://www.lashtal.com/forums/stuff/examples-of-the-black-lodge/paged/13/ )
"Michael Alan Singer (or Michael A. Singer; born 6 May 1947) is a bestselling author, a meditation center founder, and a former software programmer.[...] His two books, The Untethered Soul (2007) and The Surrender Experiment (2015), were New York Times bestsellers.[...] In 1975, he founded Temple of the Universe, a long-established yoga and meditation center for people of any religion or belief to experience inner peace.[...]
Singer has written four books, and all of them belong to the genre of religion/spirituality.[...] The Search for Truth (1974) is Singer's book, which was written long before he became famous as a writer.[...] According to Singer's account, this book was written as a request from his mentor in his university, as the latter insisted the former to “turn in something for him to read” after the young Singer refused to do a doctoral dissertation.[...] Three Essays on Universal Law (1975) is Singer's second book which continues along the theme of his previous book.[...] The Untethered Soul (2007) is Singer's first bestselling book that became a number one New York Times bestseller.[...] It is a collection of lectures which cover topics on yogic philosophy, like the concept of self, the meaning of life, and the theory of mind.[...] This is also the work which caught the attention of famous talk show host Opera Winfrey, with whom Singer later gave his first television interview.[...] The Surrender Experiment (2015) is Singer's second bestselling book, which is in fact an autobiography.[...] In this book, Singer describes his journey of how he became interested in meditation, how he started the Temple of the Universe and the Medical Manager Corporation, etc.[...] The central theme of the book is about his attempts to “surrendering yourself to Life itself”, or not letting his personal ego to intervene with the flow of life, and how he achieved amazing things as a result.[...] He also identifies that The Three Pillars of Zen (1965) by Philip Kapleau and Autobiography of a Yogi (1946) by Paramahansa Yogananda were responsible for starting his lifelong exploration of Zen and spirituality.[...] Like his first bestseller, this book also managed to become a New York Times bestseller." (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Alan_Singer)
Said Singer became a multi-billionaire in 2002 after the corporation Healtheon/WebMD agreed to buy his Medical Manager and its subsidiary CareInsite, an Internet-based health care network for physicians, suppliers and patients, in a stock deal valued at roughly $5 billion. (Source: Healtheon/WebMD buys Medical Manager The company agrees to buy Medical Manager and its subsidiary CareInsite in a stock deal valued at roughly $5 billion. - - - https://www.cnet.com/news/healtheonwebmd-buys-medical-manager/ )
"When Medical Manager was acquired by WebMD, a billion-dollar public company which focused on medical data management Singer continued as executive VP, physician software strategies, and head of research and development and chief software architect of WebMD Practice Services.[...] He resigned from WebMD in 2005 and focused on writing." (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Alan_Singer)
Any thoughts on if this Singer has made a pact with some devil, and/or if he is one example of an extremely rich person with publications within the genre of religion/spirituality, who his outside what AC called “the Black Lodge” or “the Black Brothers” or “The Left-Hand Path”?
wr: Said Singer became a multi-billionaire in 2002 after the corporation Healtheon/WebMD agreed to buy his Medical Manager and its subsidiary CareInsite
Said Singer falls in that category, previously described, wherein an individual invents something useful with widespread potential, and a bigger fish comes along and buys said Singing Singer out.
If your point is that he's really wealthy (not super-rich yet) and a "good" guy as well, you will note that is said, "I have never known ...," not It Is Impossible ...
His brief Wiki_Biography sounds great. I see no red flags of black lodgeness. To make a reasonable judgement in his case, one would need to read all his books, then get on a plane or a boat or a goat (depending on one's venue) and go to his Temple and meet him.
The Devil is in the details ... or not.
[Underlining in quoted text in this posting, was added by me:]
djedi quoted by Shiva: "Firstly, if the Black Lodge’s source is firmly rooted in the animal level and goes no lower, ..."
Shiva's reply to said quote from djedi: "The Black Lodge's source is shakily rooted in the ego of any given black brother or sister. They once entered upon a path that led to liberation, accompanied at the last moment by the ego-loss that is required for admission to another dimension. The black aspirant refuses to surrender control of their mind, retains a focal point in the abyss, then re-assembles an ego and a persona. It is said that they live in lonely towers in the abyss, but let's be less metaphorical and admit that they're strutting around on the physical plane. They are full-blown adepts who have an ego, not in the abyss, but on the causal plane, where they can cause things to happen. They carry the hallmark of being aggressive ... at the expense of their prey."
Example of aggressive behavior being systematically nurtured on a mass scale: "Hitler Makes Nazi Youth Fight Each Other (1938) | War Archives", source; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NBnoSYlsB0 (, alternative source of the same example: "Young Nazis - Fight In Street 1938 [...] Short Summary Young boys in uniform - Hitler youth - march and play aggressive games."- - - https://www.britishpathe.com/video/young-nazis-fight-in-street ).
I wish to expose a certain aspect of civilization that has been infiltrated by the Black Lodge.
The field of medicine depends on doctors. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the medical profession must be closely watched, less it become a formidable, uncontrollable entity. In his day, doctors were considered to be of a lower caste. Today, in China, medicine is a low-level occupation. Maybe they get more now (?), but not long ago (a couple decades) they earned the minimum wage.
So Tom was right and the docs rose up (in the Western caste system) to become respectful members of society. Holy cow, they held the power of life or death (in some cases). Now the doctors got together (none dare call it conspiracy) to cement their position and profits (doctors ended up making a lot of money).
They formed Associations, and hired lawyers and lobbyists. In the USA, laws were enacted prohibiting anyone but a doctor from participation in the financial affairs of medicine. A bank could loan a doctor, or a hospital, money to get the practice going, but nobody couls share directly in the medical profits.
That's the way it was, not long ago, even when I practiced in a busy medical clinic. What happened? I will tell you in a subsequent post, because it's late, I'm tired, and early tomorrow I have to go see a ... doctor (no sarcasm intended or implied).
Sh: I have to go see a ... doctor (no sarcasm intended or implied).
Said doc informed me of no problems (in his department), and he released me to continue my revelation of medical darkness.
The following quotes from Wikipedia. My commentary in italics ...
So, somehow, at the end of WorldWarmongering II, the docs were practicing medicine and ... "Kaiser Permanente is an American integrated managed care consortium, based in Oakland, California, United States, founded in 1945 by industrialist Henry J. Kaiser and physician Sidney Garfield."
"Sidney Garfield & Associates had been a sole proprietorship, but in 1948, it was reorganized into a partnership, Permanente Medical Group."
"From 1944 onward, both Kaiser Permanente and Garfield fought numerous attacks from the AMA and various state and local medical societies. Henry Kaiser came to the defense of both Garfield and the health plans he had created."
Yeah. The AMA saw big business butting into medicine, and they tried to stop it.
"Henry Kaiser became fascinated with the healthcare system created for him by Garfield and began to directly manage Kaiser Permanente and Garfield."
Uh oh, and ho hum. The industrialist made his big takeover move.
Insert of possible interest: Somewhere in the mid '30s, aluminum was declared dangerous to health by some arm of the US Gov. Legislation was proposed to ban aliminum ic cookware. Kaiser Aluminum sent its lobbyist to Washington DC. Guess what? Anti-Aluminum legislation stopped. Everyone now gets free aluminum particles in their diet (from cookware, utensils, and cans/containers.
"Historians [who?] now believe then-President Richard Nixon specifically had Kaiser Permanente in mind when he signed the Health Maintenance Organization Act of 1973, as the organization was mentioned in an Oval Office discussion of the Act ..."
That's all the background we need.
Based on Kaiser's model, ALL the insurance companies lined up to form HMOs. By the late '80s, doctors increasingly found it hard to service patients with insurance, unless they joined the HMOs (prudent docs eventually signed up for all applicable HMOs. They became known as providers, and the insurance companies set the rules.
Today, the "rules" include paying the providers less than their "usual and customary fees," regulating what drugs they would cover, prohibiting certain procedures unless the doc requested and received "prior authorization," along with many other paperwork and restrictive conditions.
I recently asked my primary physician (he's the same age I am), "I'm sure you remember when the practice of medicine was run by doctors?" He responded with the biggest and loudest laugh he could muster.
I commented to two of his paperwork assistants, "I guess the practice of medicine is now run by the insurance companies?" I received two resposes: "You got that right!" and "Pretty much!"
The UK seems to have a similar scenario, but over there (and up above in Canada, and maybe down below) the gov stepped in to manage medical care. I am not familar with how well that works, but the US and UK systems are both now supervised "from above."
This example has nothing to do with Crowley, but our (all of us) readings tell us he certainly interacted with the docs ... back before big business took over. Today, heroin and cocaine are not listed in the insurance company's' drug formulary, and something like morphine requires "prior authorization." Mescaline, and its cousins, were never listed at all.
So, BIG business (or the gov) took over medicine. They did not, however, take over dentistry, which enjoys the highest income of any profession (excluding medical specialists), has the highest suicide rate of any profession, but remains untouched by big business ... except their own.
No black magic in this tale, except that "every act is a magical act," and Mr Kaiser certainly knew how to wield his wand to become ... The Father of the HMO takeover without being a doctor.
This does not assuage nor absolve the doctors, who have their own form of price-fixing, crucifixion of competitors, and a hard-line office of lawyers and lobbyists.
As a physical plane overview, it must be noted that the dark (yin) force will always overcome the light (yang) force. For example, electrical ions flow from negative (yin) to positive (yang). When winter comes, we heat our homes with light (yang, fire in some form) to stave off the cold (yin). In physics, it is known that the direction of flow is always from cold (yin) toward heat (yang). This means we must work at releasing yang energy in order to hold off the invasive cold).
The ultimate Thelemic yin force is Nuit. "The night shall cover all." But in this case, it's a matter of voluntarily surrendering to the infinite star realm, rather than be subdued by the masters of material gain. These two definitions of yin/yang (Nuit/Black-Lodge) take up their duties in different dimensions or planes, and we certainly don't want to confuse them.
I'm reading this thread now and i'm on pg 7
If we shift into Cosmic Overdrive and consult U.G., the spiritual terrorist, we see him proclaiming any and all attempts to sell spiritual advancement or advantage part of The Spiritual Con.
That doesn't leave us with much, does it?
Just to confirm, U.G. is Universal God? Universal Governance?
So the gut reaction of many when someone charges $500 for one of those for one of those weekend self-help seminars is correct in your opinion? That if it costs more than a monk could afford it's a con and part of the problem?
“ Downpressor man
Where you gonna run to?
All along that day
You gonna run to the sea
But the sea will be boiling
When you run to the sea
The sea will be boiling
All along that day
You gonna run to the rocks
The rocks will be melting
When you run to the rocks
The poor rocks will be melting
I wouldn't like to be a flea
Under your collar
All along that day
You gonna run to Jah ?
Begging Him to hide you ?
Where you gonna run to
Where you gonna run to
all along, along that day “
e.m. said: That if it costs more than a monk could afford it's a con and part of the problem?
Maharishi and his organization made hundreds of millions of dollars teaching Transcendental Meditation. I had never really examined his work and was part of a very left brain approach to mediation at D.O.M.E. center. A friend of mine was very recently a huge proponent of T.M. and insisted I take the 5 day training which is not cheap. I was broke at the time and I am generally very wary of paying large amounts of money for these things. Usually I am gifted entrance and pay a little later to maintain membership. Or I am offered a trade of some sort. Or a one time lifetime fee.
Anyways my friend offered to pay half up front and I could pay off the rest to the teacher (a certified T.M. teacher) in payments. He insisted. So I did it.
My friend was in ill health and had many serious ailments. He dropped dead suddenly on the 3rd day of my 5 day training. Consequently, his brother asked me to handle his estate and gave me several thousand dollars to do so. So I paid off the last of my T.M. debt and thanked my friend for his parting gift. It ended up costing me nothing due the unfortunate circumstances of my friend's passing. And I value and practice the meditation daily. I do tend to avoid group meetings though as there is usually some asshole selling something to all the gullible people that attend. But I have found Maharashi's work to be valuable and have seen many positive changes since starting to do T.M. A well organized mind is how Maharishi describes it I think. Very simple, no rhetoric, and like Bitcoin it's permissionless.
Landmark Education sells "Empty & Meaningless" for a price. T.M. sells nothingness for a fee. Both were given to me for free essentially. And both produced positive results. I have some friends who refuse to try anything especially something that costs money and they are still suffering the (lack of) results. Like I said i'm wary of paying large sums, and usually lucky to get gifted these things, but i'm not entirely against fees associated with spiritual teachings. It may also be that this type of thinking (spiritual things should be free) is what kept Aleister poor in his later years, and/or called a conman when he tried to establish some value or economic compensation for his work.
em: Just to confirm, U.G. is Universal God? Universal Governance?
U.G. is "Uppaluri Gopala Krishnamurti (9 July 1918 - 22 March 2007), known as U. G. Krishnamurti, or just U.G., was an Indian speaker who questioned the state of enlightenment. Although many considered him an "enlightened" person, U.G. often referred to his state of being as the "natural state"." -Wiki
He has been discussed in these thrwads, on and off, for several years now.
Of course i've heard of him! But never studied his work or speeches. I will now. I can be pretty good at faking it, but sometimes my lack of education becomes glaringly obvious. Thanks.
The reason expensive seminars are popular IS because most people want things done for them. 6 weeks is about right. And then a more expensive upgraded advanced course to replenish. I've seen all that even at Landmark. But i chose to focus on the one course i liked and do the work. I did it many times as a coach and volunteer so it was free after the first time. It was called S.E.L.P. Self Expression & Leadership.
The course was only $200 for participants and lasted 3 months. Very cheap. The catch is that you are pressured to bring friends at times. But i got over that. I brought friends when and if i wanted not when pressured.
I did the course many times for free as a coach and found it very disorganized, chaotic, poorly implemented and life transforming. The course was so annoying but always produced miracles. I coached it for free many times. Until 2013 when I "graduated" myself and decided I was done.
No one graduates these programs. You must graduate yourself.
Landmark is not a spiritual practice. It's a technology. T.M. I do consider to be a non-denominational spiritual practice.
Regardless, it's all about nothing. People will pay millions to buy nothing over and over again. Nothing is everything. We can't get enough of nothing.
Werner Erhard went a little too far with his EST program manipulations back in the day but I think a big part of his problem was that he used be with the elron group and he left them and crossed them. They went after him to smear him and his work. Some (at Landmark) say he left the states because his life was in danger. I don't think he's a bad guy. He's done a lot of good things. (Hunger Project for one.)
An extreme example of the manipulation and greed is in my opinion Tony Robbins. His work occurs to me as teaching people to fix leaky bathtubs that have huge gaping holes by simply opening the faucet more and bringing more water in rather than spend time fixing any leaks. If you can create enough water flow it makes the leaks irrelevant, right? Wrong.
Consequently you have people "playing all out" and "going for it" and running their credit cards up to high heaven to get poorly trained in hype and emotion.
The courses cost thousands of dollars and yes the effects last about 6 weeks. Never took one but I know some who have. People go into debt to do these courses and the 1% who succeed long term are touted as examples of how great the techniques work. It's basically a ponzi of sorts but only feeding the tippy top.
Aleister was working it out when he died. Going flat broke is a painful experience. I've had it. But he was on the right path with the Tarot and OTO when he died.
em: Krishnamurti! Of course i've heard of him! But never studied his work or speeches. I will now.
Krishnamurti is a first name in (Olde, not Red) India. Everyone has heard of Jiddu krishnamurti (the one-time "New World teacher" of Theosophical fame. I was refering to U.G. Krishnamurti, who wrote no books. But other folks wrote books about him (usually including much quoted dialogia), and he allowed videotaping, so he's famous on YouTube.
em: But i chose to focus on the one course i liked and do the work.
Exactly. It doesn't matter where one gets anything, or how much they pay. It's the follow-up homework that does the trick (of making things last without additional reminders and fees. Even if it's free (most of my "spiritual" services are free), if we need an external boost or reminder, then we'll not be talkin' with our Angel.
Wow, i got through this thread finally. I am slow reader but even with skimming over @shiva and @ignant666 making their points and skipping over all of @mal trolling and most of @jamiejbarter nitpicking and most of @wellreadwellbred copypasta and half of OP @dom 's silly leprechaun jokes it still took me all day ffs! And this ain't even close to the longest thread on the site. My brain hurts! Too much thinking.
Re Werner Erhard of EST:
John Rosenberg [sic?] was driving over the Golden Gate Bridge in San Fran when he experienced a dhyana. As a result, he changed his name to Werner Erhard and oppened the Gates of Erhard Seminar Training (EST, which - in this case - does not mean "Eastern Standard Time"). If you went to the Training, you were enclosed in a room with everyone else. For 24 hours. If you had to pee or poop, you could not slip away, but had to void into your pants or panties.
The first utterance of the trainer was, "You are all assholes!"
EST was a well known phenomenon in the 1970's forward that many many people took. I was too young but I do remember being dragged as a young teen by my family to attend the last night of cult like weekend seminar that my older sister was taking. I remember the lights were low in a large auditorium and the participants holding hands in a huge circle and looking to be on an extreme emotional high. The participants all kept their eyes closed avoiding eye contact with us and humming along to music while all us visitors rolled our eyes having not experienced any of what they had over the weekend. Not sure if that was EST but it was defo inspired by EST if it wasn't. This was about 1980.
@shiva: Shades of Cefalu and Anton LaVey! The funny thing is, most people left (with wet or dirty pants - after 24 hours of no sleep) in an altered state (known as "it") that they found exhilarating or otherwise desirable.
I've met many people who have taken EST and never heard anything bad. But these were all people attending Landmark in the mid 2000's so naturally they were good customers.
I believe EST is what got Tony Robbins started on his path.
I've never met Werner Erhard but I know people who have worked with him and socialized with him in Europe in the last 10-15 years.
Never heard anything bad about the guy except the early stories of arrogance in the early years that still haunt him today. But admittedly I have not read through the vast amount of hit pieces that can be found on cult awareness sites.
I do believe he has done a lot of serious work to end hunger and many other projects. By serious he really works to end the negative conversations people adopt about problems in the world and take action based on new possibilities.
I don't think he's a phony in this respect.
@shiva: Without any exceptions know to the author or editor of this post, this "state" wore off in exactly six weeks. This is not unusual. Attendees at many weekend seminars often go away in a "state" that wears off in exactly six weeks. I cannot explain why six weeks is so precise, and the same goes for certain demos of empowerment -demonstrations empowerment energies that leave a person charged with the healing siddhi for 48 hours, then goes away (the full empowerment is permanent and does not go away).
The Landmark Forum (the 1st course offered by EST follow-up Landmark Education) was gifted to me. I attended in June 2003. About a month later I did the Advanced Course (another 2-3 day weekend ) and then immediately the S.E.L.P aka Self Expression & Leadership Program.
As the various leaders stated (paraphrased)...
In the Forum the teacher generates transformation for the participants. This is why it doesn't last. They can't yet do it for themselves.
In the Advanced Course. The participants generate their own transformation. Still it cannot last because it's a one time thing.
After years of witnessing this problem the S.E.L.P. was created as a 3 month course where the participants generate themselves and take leadership in a project that demonstrates the student as operating in a new transformed reality. The S.E.L.P. is a course generated by the students and people take on various projects some charitable some not. This is where I saw the biggest changes and some miracles consistently as a participant and a coach. This is the cheapest of the courses and the course that really gives people a chance to make the "technology" as they call it part of their daily lives.
So i'd say that the people running things did make changes to deal with this problem of things wearing off. That being said if you did the S.E.L.P. and followed through you were still only about 2% of the total students who attend The Forum. Most people do the first weekend and that's it. Very few people took the whole curriculum which took close 6 months by the time you were done with all the weekends and weeknight classes.
My project was a stand-up comedy routine and it was a heck of a lot of fun learning to do it and performing for the first time.
There was a lot of pressure to promote and bring friends etc in ALL of the various classes and we as participants did complain a lot about it. Sometimes it was just too much. But rents are high in L.A. and their insistence was in line with their mission so i eventually stopped letting it bother me and just did what i felt like. I think I introduced 2-3 friends during my times there. But one of them brought in hundreds of people (give or take) so my karmic debt is paid.
@shiva: When Frater Ra escaped from Solar Lodge, he ran right over to EST (in 1969) and went through the 24-hour sewer. He then sought a further, mor intimate, affiliation, and they upped the auntie. "You must do something to undermine or damage your previous associates," he was told. Ra then returned to Riverside County and bore false witness against his prior brethren and sistren. Some brothers and sisters did 2 or 6 months in jail.
Ra later went on TV News and confessed to "false witnessing,' saying,
"I twisted the tale,
so I'd not go to jail."
Bad news. Not my experience but I don't doubt your story. Landmark defo toned things down from EST. I took them at their stated word and tested the enterprise. Using the "technology" to become a successful porn actor while taking a class here and there or coaching S.E.L.P.
The leaders knew what I was up to. I took my role of coach seriously and had a spotless record. But there were some people that gave me some bad vibes and wouldn't even say hello after finding out what my day job was. I was on a mission, there was something here in all of this and I was going to find it.
It was in January of 2010 while coaching the S.E.L.P. that I discovered the Riddle of Aiwass "Aleister In Wonderland" and for me this was a revelation. I saw a clear path ahead and left the adult biz and the country. I did later return to coach 1 or 2 more times while in California. But all in all my experience was exactly what was promised:
I went from being a slacker actor filmmaker to a stand-up comic and then international porn star travelling the world. I accomplished all sorts of dubious things I rarely talk about to this day. The Aiwass riddle has been more difficult, and my fall downward and recovery and adjustment from all this change has been quite an experience. Not easy, often nasty, sometimes very dangerous. But I don't regret any of it and things are stable and good today.
@shiva: When Werner went to consult Jack Schwarz (my first aura teacher), Jack asked him, "Now why is a nice Jewish boy like you assuming the name of a German group leader?" And, "Do you still order people around and treat them like slaves?" You see, Joel/Werner was 1st ray, and he sported the usual arrogance of that source.
I always found it strange that he chose a proper Nazi sounding name right out of a WWII movie! But I guess he thought people would listen to him better ha!
I took a little German in High School so when his name came up I always pronounced it Verner with a V which is how it's pronounced in German. Some people didn't like that telling me it's Werner not Verner! But hey, give yourself a Nazi sounding name don't be surprised when we pronounce it correctly.
@shiva: "Erhard Seminars Training (marketed as est, though often encountered as EST or Est) was an organization founded by Werner Erhard in 1971 that offered a two-weekend (60-hour) course known officially as "The est Standard Training". This seminar aimed to "transform one's ability to experience living so that the situations one had been trying to change or had been putting up with, clear up just in the process of life itself"." - Wikipedia
I can't say about EST, and I never met Werner, but i'd say Landmark is by their mission statement somewhere in the yellow range perhaps. But you have to really call them on the carpet if you don't get what's promised. I did. If you let them take advantage of your time and naivete they will take and take until you set limits. So perhaps that is Black Lodge somewhat. But there is no enslavement going on at Landmark. I saw people re-uniting with family and getting free of their past.
Overall a good and valuable experience.
One thing i've noticed is that if you seek out a teacher in something and they are always the hot shot richest most successful person in the room then that is not a good teacher. Great teachers create students that far surpass the teachers visible accomplishments. Great teachers create greatness all around them in whatever realm they work in. Hack teachers compete with their students and must always be the most successful noble righteous person in the room for fear that they will lose support of their students if they are not. Hence guys like Tony Robbins. If you see a "successful" guy teaching anything online or otherwise who is flaunting his success, run like hell. There have been more than a few over the years in the self-help and spiritual arenas.
em: There was a lot of pressure to promote and bring friends etc in ALL of the various classes ...
This is standard fare,
to be found every where.
AL has a reasonable amount of getting new "members." It simply involves have a beautiful book that "it is the law to give," and then it allows each individual to come on board or jump overboard. "Argue not, convert not" allows for release from the burden of evangelism. I have seen no evidence or hint that AC actually gave beautiful ALs to everyone he met, but he did utter the DWTW greeting.
"Evangelism in Vatican II Documents. In the very first sentence of its Constitution on the Church, Lumen gentium, the Second Vatican Council affirmed that Christ had sent the Church to preach the gospel to every creature (LG 1; cf. Mk 16:15). Evangelism is a theme in multiple Vatican II documents.
The Koran suggests (demands?) killing or enslaving infidels. If the infidel converts, then there's a chance to go free (under the Law of Islam).
Scientologists would corner people on the sidewalk, thrust literature upon them, and begin a conversion in aggressive voice and posture.
At your front door, the Witnesses of Jehovah, and the Mormon Choir, will happily enter your home and begin the show.
Closer to Thelemic home, in the A.'.A.'., nobody goes up unless they have established a downline. In OTO, one doesn't get the II* unless they have introduced two new members.
There is a universal principle that says nobody advances unless they give out. Only the A.'.A.'. system seems to require a single student, but then it's a vertical lineage (line), not a horizontal gathering (group/herd).
Your Landmark story of causing "leaders" to give out is a good example. I would say that anyone who prolonged their "state" by teaching, would continue to be "altered" as long as they kept teaching. The next step/grade/level would involve the continuation of teaching without association with a group or "superior." This is known as self-reliance, and it is the hallmark of an Adeptus.
em: So perhaps that is Black Lodge somewhat.
By an all-encompassing designation, all outer orders (groups) are Black. Here's the simplified Chart ...
Outer Order ... Black
Inner Order ... Yellow
Supernal Order .. White
These designations are based on what the individual is dealing with (his/her Persona (black), Angel (gold), or Self (clear).
em: Great teachers create students that far surpass the teachers visible accomplishments.
I would agree. Let us contrast all these teachers and groups with the real Sat Guru. The contrast is in evangelizing or sending out an army of evangelists, versus a solo figure who does no such thing. Students seek him or her out, and they find him/her via The Attractive Principle. The mountain must come to Muhammad.
All of these group functions are Outer Orders. You toured Landmark. I went through Solar Lodge. Crowley blazed through the Golden Dawn. U.G. meditated in a cave in the Himalayas under a guru. Everybody has to go through something, some form of basic training. Some circuses are cleaner than others, but as you say, one finally has to graduate one's own self. Most outer orders come with an attachment of horror stories.
It is my position that these systems, gurus, and groups are tools. Whoever is in charge (the "supreme authority" in any endeavor) serves as the model for the whole group. Another universal principle tells us that any group is conditioned by the persona of the person in charge.
dj: the funeral industry
Frarter Mortis was a mortician before he became (first) a barber, and (second) the founder of The Order of Thelema and The Magick Bookstore (San Diego). He informed us that all ashes go into a big barrel. When urns are filled, a scoop of ash is taken from the barrel. Nobody gets the pure ashes from their dearly departed, but rather a mixture of several beings. Devout survivors often pay thousands of dollars for Osirian caskets, services, and ground space.
What a sham. What a scam. What a show.
It seems like every industry, service, and agency has its own version of how to inflate the prices and increase the profit. Now that we see that we are living, on a day-to-day basis, in the territory of The Black Lodge, the question arises ... How do we get out of this place - if it's the last thing we ever do?
We need legislation to collect more money from the tax payer so that when they are done paying taxes and their body begins to rot; the municipality won’t have to pay; since the money collected to meet the fiduciary duty wasn’t enough.
Vote for me !
the municipality won’t have to pay; since the money collected to meet the fiduciary duty wasn’t enough.
That's because they used the mortuary tax fund to give themselves raises and increased retirement benefits, plus painting city hall, and donating money to the police protection fund. Everyone is advised to cultivate the siddhi of spontaneous combustion in order to avoid this last-minute delay.
How easy is at present time to get that partymood going when roller skating through a graveyard by day or night (Beat Pe Dance | Bollywood Dance Song | Party Mood | Friday Special | Back to Back Music - - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWujpD6YaNw )? This could be improved by using gravestones that are self-luminous, emitting light during the nighttime hours ((The following is not a commercial for gravestones:) Polbruk Lumia 2018 - - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQn7poA9fgg ). And this could also contribute beneficially to celebrating 'the Greater Fiest' aspect of our species.
And I wonder how the funeral industry -- or "Big Death", would deal with it, if if the just aforesaid became popular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaaUZaC1naI - - - OSHO: The Crescendo of Life: Celebrating Death:
In the comments to the preceding youtube video, it is claimed that "Osho is only person in known history who has given us the courage to celebrate death."
AC with his concept(-s) of "feasts of the times" and "a greater feast for death", mentioned in the second chapter of his The Book of the Law, appears to be another such person.
With respect to the findings of the Netflix’s hit documentary series Wild Wild Country, about Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh or Osho and his movement, the latter's official successor organization The Osho International Foundation (OIF), has in its official organ, The Osho Times, stated that the documentary fails to show “this was a US government conspiracy, from the White House on down, aimed at thwarting Osho’s vision of a community based on conscious living”. (The scholar "Urban has commented that the most surprising feature of the Osho phenomenon lies in Rajneesh's "remarkable apotheosis upon his return to India", which resulted in his achieving even more success in his homeland than befor. [...] According to Urban, Rajneesh's followers had succeeded in portraying him as a martyr, promoting the view that the Ranch "was crushed from within by the Attorney General's office ... like the marines in Lebanon, the Ranch was hit by hardball opposition and driven out.' [...] Sociologist Stephen Hunt, on the other hand, writes in Alternative Religions (2003) that "the movement has declined since 1985, and some would argue it is now, for all intents and purposes, defunct."" (Source: Rajneesh movement From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Osho International Foundation) - - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneesh_movement ))
But with respect to the subject matter of this thread, 'Examples of the black lodge?', my question is if the following data indicates that Osho's movement was, and his official successor organization The Osho International Foundation (OIF) is, an example of the black lodge??:
Hugh B. Urban comments that "one of the most astonishing features of the early Rajneesh movement was its remarkable success as a business enterprise".[...] It "developed an extremely effective and profitable corporate structure", and "by the 1980s, the movement had evolved into a complex, interlocking network of corporations, with an astonishing number of both spiritual and secular businesses worldwide, offering everything from yoga and psychological counselling to cleaning services.'[...] It has been estimated that at least 120 million dollars were generated during the movement's time in Oregon, a period when the acquisition of capital, the collection of donations, and legal work were a primary concern.[...] The popular press reported widely on the large collection of Rolls Royce cars Rajneesh had amassed,[...] reported to be 93 at the final count.[...] James S. Gordon reported that some sannyasins saw the cars as an unrivalled tool for obtaining publicity, others as a good business investment or as a test, others as an expression of Rajneesh's scorn for middle-class aspirations and yet others as an indication of the love of his disciples.[...] Gordon opined that what Rajneesh loved most about the Rolls-Royces, apart from their comfort, was "the anger and envy that his possession of so many—so absurdly, unnecessarily, outrageously many—of them aroused".[...] He wrote of a bumper sticker that was popular among sannyasins: "Jesus Saves. Moses Invests. Bhagwan Spends."
By the mid-1980s, the movement, assisted by a sophisticated legal and business infrastructure, had created a corporate machine consisting of various front companies and subsidiaries.[...] At this time, the three main identifiable organisations within the Rajneesh movement were: the Ranch Church, or Rajneesh International Foundation (RIF); the Rajneesh Investment Corporation (RIC), through which the RFI was managed; and the Rajneesh Neo-Sannyasin International Commune (RNSIC). The umbrella organisation that oversaw all investment activities was Rajneesh Services International Ltd., a company incorporated in the UK but based in Zurich, and the Rajneesh Modern Car Collection Trust, whose sole purpose was to deal with the acquisition and rental of Rolls Royces.[...] By the early 21st century, members of the movement were running stress management seminars for corporate clients such as BMW, and the movement was reported in 2000 to be making $15–45 million annually in the U.S." (Source: Rajneesh movement From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Osho International Foundation) - - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneesh_movement )
"Osho is only person in known history who has given us the courage to celebrate death."
Words like only, never, always, and absolute are usually exaggerations that indicate the writer or speaker is biased or otherwise caught up in hero worship or fanaticism.
The Osho International Foundation (OIF) is, an example of the black lodge??:
It sounds like an Example, doesn't it?
There are people who hold Osho out as an example of "spiritual attainment."
I was alive, sentient, and aware of Osho during his tenure in Oregon. I, et al, considered the Ranch in Oregon to be "Woodstock Revisited," but perhaps on a more enduring scale. But, time flies (flew), and both Woodstock and Oregon came to an end ... as did Osho himself (1990).
However, I have no firm opinion about Osho simply because I have not read any of his material, and I am biased in that I consider him to be one in a long line of greasy swamis (Crowley's term) who paraded through (or settled down in) the western world.
Thus I must be excused/recused from voting, and must rely on merely expressing my biased opinion. The flagrant spending of hard-earned money (with apparently easy-reception) is a core belief in prosperity seminars, and prosperity is a keyword for Black Magic in the Outer Order.
Oh blessed virgin. Pray for me now in the hour of my death, for I am overburdened by cash and Rolls Royces and cannot pray for myself.
Netflix’s hit documentary series Wild Wild Country,
There was cloak and dagger, subterfuge Black Lodge infiltration within and with out.
it reminded me a little of what Shiva had to deal with, with the conservative John Birch Society and simple folk who were not so simple.
The Book The Three Dangerous Magi (Osho, Gurdjieff, Crowley) by P.T. Mistlberger
i found worth a read.
“ Amusingly, Crowley remarks that many of moral virtues of Yama and Niyama are ‘ those of a slave, invented by his master to keep in order.’
Crowley is on the mark, pointing out that the real purpose of moral guide lines is to calm the mind to allow for actual inner exploration ( an agitated mind cannot meditate effectively ). In other words, Crowley is stating that morality must follow consciousness, not the other way around, If we are to actually make some real inner progress and avoid mere puritanical pretentiousness. ( This was yet another viewpoint of his that Osho was to strongly echo many years later when he condemned the piety of Indian religious authorities while guiding his disciples into developing an alert consciousness that was free of all possible moralizing. )
The Three Dangerous Magi (Osho, Gurdjieff, Crowley) by P.T. Mistlberger
" Nietzsche’s idea, as expressed in Zarathustra, aims much higher-not toward simple elitist dominance, but toward a purity of understanding and a radical awakening of spirit.
Nietzsche’s idea of the Overman is one who overcomes his mere humanity, rising above the mediocre masses. This was always a favorite theme of Osho’s,
Like Nietzsche, he was a trenchant critic of mediocrity ( as was Crowley ). And like Nietzsche, he was a vocal proponent of the idea of a ‘ God-free ‘ universe….
…he did make reference to ‘ God ‘ , but used the term as a symbol for ultimate reality. "
The Three Dangerous Magi (Osho, Gurdjieff, Crowley) by P.T. Mistlberger
Richard T. carrot childe Cole attempting to prove that AC faked Liber Al.
Richard T. carrot childe Cole attempting to prove that AC faked Liber Al.
Seems a bit over-the-top to me. Or do you reserve the same fate for anyone who expresses reservations about Crowley?
Toward the end of Inuguration, RTC writes:
“In 'The Paranormal Decided' is published an elementary technique, the utilization of which 'opens a paranormal portal'-Simple as that. Once you have tried the method, you will have no further need for books, gurus or Divine Intervention. You will know. All your questions will find resolution. You will understand all of the things towards which this work signposts. You will finally 'get it!' “
His efforts with both Bogus and Inauguration all seem to lead away from hero-worship, superstition, non-critical thinking and toward what he describes above as a direct understanding which, eventually, cuts out the “middle man.” This is sometimes called GNOSIS or Knowing.
We are presently awaiting the forthcoming volume on the Paranormal but I see Richard's aim as the exact opposite of the Black Lodge(s).