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Walterfive
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05/04/2011 8:54 pm  

While I'm sure most of you were aware of the recent publications of Vere Chappell's "Sexual Outlaw, Erotic Mystic: The Essential Ida Craddock" and the limited edition of Craddock's previously unpublished "Lunar and Sex Worship," but I don't think I've seen anyone mention "Heaven's Bride: The Unprintable Life of Ida C. Craddock, American Mystic, Scholar, Sexologist, Martyr, and Madwoman" by Leigh Eric Schmidt, a Harvard University specialist in American religious history.

Anyone besides me picked up all three of 'em yet? I haven't had the time to sit down and compare Chappell's with Schmidt's, page by page, but from the title you can gather a bit of Schmidt's skepticism about Ira's 'Heavenly Bridegroom.'

How odd that the first three books to be published about her and her teachings since Motta's Gold Equinox thirty years ago were all published within a few months of each other?


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05/04/2011 11:51 pm  

I advertised for Leigh Eric Schmidt's book few month ago here on Lashtal.com (see all posts by alysa) unfortunately I haven't got the time to compare with the other two Ida Craddock books, and yes I also think it a little bit odd that they all came out in such a very short time, certainly when you think thirty years after Marcelo Ramos Motta's Gold Equinox (I wasn't aware of that)!


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06/04/2011 3:36 pm  

These have some info:

http://wuelf2000.libsyn.com/thelema-now-guest-vere-chappell-

http://www.facebook.com/ida.craddock

I like the Gold Equinox Vol V No 4 renditions. It appears M.P.Starr had all the records on this subject.


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06/04/2011 5:14 pm  

@Alysa: I must have missed that, I was in and out of the hospital throughout December through the end of March, so I missed a few posts. It came up as a "buying suggestion" on Amazon after buying Vere Chappell's paperback and the limited edition of "Lunar and Sex Worship" and I was quite suprised, I'd seen no mention of it in either other book, although they *must* have all been aware of each other's work.

I personally find Craddock's work fascinating. Like Dr. P.B. Randolph, there is a clear level of 19th Century Xian morality threading through these works that the ultra-hip modern Thelemite will scoff at ( and perhaps rightly so), but it is clear that on her own initiative she somehow managed to contact and have sexuo-spiritual knowledge and conversation with her Angelic Bridegroom.

@666TSAEB: Yes, I have to admit that Motta's Gold Equinox was the best of the bunch (although his two-volume unexpurgated and annotated "Magick Without Tears" would have had it beat, had it been published in a quality hardback edition instead of the inferior paperback). Martin Starr has been researching for decades; I gather that those of Ms. Craddocks papers that weren't burnt by her mother after her suicide were presevered by her attourney and have been used by both researchers in their respective books.


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07/04/2011 12:31 am  

@Walterfive, understood you missed a few posts, now from what I understood from the first 30 pages or so of Schmidt's book, I think it not so an interesting book relating to Ida Craddock and her life and teachings, I have Vere Chappels' book "Sexual Outlaw, Erotic Mystic: The Essential Ida Craddock", and compared a little bit the two books with each other and from what came first to my mind; Schmidt's book gave far too much background information, and must say don't know if it's skeptical towards her, but if you want to know more directly about Ida Craddock's life (which is in my opinion of course the essence) I think Vere Chappels's book is far more interesting.


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07/04/2011 3:07 pm  

Yes, Schmidt's book is a little dry, exactly what I'd expect from a Harvard University instructor-- He's writing a biography more from a pioneering Sexologist angle it seems. Lots of facts though. Chappels book is rather a bit more sympathetic with Craddock's Angelic Mysticism, as I'd expect. I find it interesting to contrast and compare how different biographers treat their subject. I don't know that Schmidt gave "far too much background information", but it's not always clear (yet) wether or not the incidents recounted have any bearing with the later matters we are concerned about. Craddock's mother, for example, is a very important figure in her story, as was the 1893 Chicago Exposition World's Fair, and the dancer "Little Egypt," Fatima Djemille who lamentably was exploited by a series of managers and pimps, and who died here in the U.S. a syphillis-ridden prostitute in 1921. Thomas Edison filmed her in 1896 as "Cootchee Cootchee Dance" and again in 1898 as "Fatima."


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07/04/2011 9:42 pm  

Yeah, I shall have to (at least!) change my opinion about Schmidt's book when I have read it in it's entirity, when I first saw mention of this book I thought: 'that looks interesting', and therefore I made mention of it here on Lashtal, anyway I still think this book deserves mention here on Lashtal!


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09/04/2011 7:06 pm  

Might be of interest to some, thread started by me about this book about Ida Craddock is named 'Heaven's Bride'.


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