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26/10/2019 10:48 pm  

...and what a fucking geek....

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27/10/2019 12:14 am  

Not a Nazi per se, but certainly quite racist, and prejudiced against "the lower orders". And it is easy to depict him as a racist monster by selective quotation; i think it would be more accurate to say he was horrified by, and terrified of, other people, of all sexes, races, and colors.

As to the favorable quote about Hitler cited by your source: Lovecraft died in 1937, when sympathy for Hitler was widespread among conservatives world-wide, and the horrors of Fascism mostly lay in the future. His wife was Jewish.

As a person who lived in Brooklyn for most of my life (though never in Red Hook), “The Horror at Red Hook” is my favorite Lovecraft story, despite its depiction of Brooklyn as a hideous slum inhabited by subhumans.

He is not exactly more favorable to his own people, WASP New Englanders, who are depicted as just as inbred, superstitious, and depraved as the folks in Red Hook. At least the inhabitants of Red Hook have not interbred with hideous sea-creatures, unlike the residents of Innsmouth. The Church of the Starry Wisdom is located in his hometown of Providence, R.I. (where my brother lived in one of his old apartments as a college student). Miskatonic University, a sort of combination of Harvard, Brown, and Amherst, is a sinister place indeed.

If we hold writers/thinkers to a modern standard of "wokeness", we will certainly have to discard AC, and pretty much all other writers prior to 1990 or so. Virtually nothing written before WW II will survive.


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27/10/2019 1:07 am  

'Nazism' = insular old money WASPish Protestant dysfunctional families using the "nigger nigger nigger" or "jew jew jew" strategy to control the white working class and stop the daughters of old- money WASPish Protestant dysfunctional families canoodling with guys who work with their hands. Now you seem tom think that Nazism means industrial genocide of jews. It can but it's not just that. In short our geek in question, Jewish wife (who he probably never even slept with) or not was a 'nazi'.


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27/10/2019 1:08 am  

@dom

…and what a fucking geek….

What is it about Lovecraft that makes him in your considered opinion "a fucking geek"?


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27/10/2019 5:13 am  

Around these parts
they don’t drop off the freshly dead
for pickins.

They are treated
as if they left Denmark;
and in Quaint New England
with everything aright.

And leave them there.


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27/10/2019 8:51 am  

I guess I was loose with the term 'nazi' particularly as he was around when the N.S.D.A.P. were around. To be fair though the dictionary definition would disagree ; a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. ---- a person with extreme racist or authoritarian views.---
a person who seeks to impose their views on others in a very autocratic or inflexible way.

@ignant

He is not exactly more favorable to his own people, WASP New Englanders, who are depicted as just as inbred, superstitious, and depraved as the folks in Red Hook. At least the inhabitants of Red Hook have not interbred with hideous sea-creatures, unlike the residents of Innsmouth

Fair enough.

If we hold writers/thinkers to a modern standard of “wokeness”, we will certainly have to discard AC, and pretty much all other writers prior to 1990 or so. Virtually nothing written before WW II will survive.

Yeah if I selected AC's writings on jews and non-whites it would look like something from a modern KKK blog.


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27/10/2019 9:25 pm  

Event of course for the numerous times AC says the opposite, eg the quote about southern American black folks being often little better than their white neighbors. This is a reversal of a cliche of the time that "poor white trash" were often little better than their black neighbors.

For his time and upbringing, AC was actually pretty progressive on race.

[Advance apologies for likely typos for next 24 hrs caused by annoying tablet I use when traveling]


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27/10/2019 9:28 pm  

Oh lord- for event read except. See what I mean about this tablet?


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27/10/2019 11:16 pm  

Personally, I don't care for the modern phenomena of seeking to trash wriers, artists etc because of their political views. I've noticed over the last few months a number of Facebook posts that sought to argue in effect that bacuse Lovecraft was a xenophobe, therefore nobody should read his stories or appreciate his work. I even came across one FB page where the owner said that Lovecraft was a racist, and anyone who thought that didn't matter was not welcome on their page. Well, being a polite young man, I took them at their word and defriended them.

I do think it's a peculiar point of view, though. Lovecraft wrote a large number of stories that are not to everybody's taste, but certainly are to mine. I first came across his work in the late 1960s, was fascinated by it, and have remained enthralled across the decades. Although hard-going at times, I'd recommend the five-volume series of 'Selected Letters'. I'm neither racist nor xenophobic myself, and thus these sides of Lovecraft do not resonate with me, but neither do they detract from his work.

Similarly, my favourite writer is Helen Dunmore. I have no idea what her polical views were, and even less interest. She was simply the finest, most evocative writer whose work I have ever come across, and I love her novels, short stories and poems.

So no, Lovecraft's views do not in my opinion detract from his work.


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28/10/2019 12:07 am  

A lot of Richard Wagner's work was cool also.


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28/10/2019 12:40 am  

A lot of Richard Wagner’s work was cool also.

Does this mean you also think Wagner was a "fucking geek?"


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28/10/2019 7:58 am  

Does this mean you also think Wagner was a “f----g geek?”

No, "a__hole" would be a more fitting title for him.


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28/10/2019 11:22 am  

Dom: Please take a break before posting again. Your immaturity is embarrassing. This thread is locked.

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