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This discussion involves allegations that (contemporary) OTO is soliciting donations for Ukraine.

I have pointed out that the org has a Politically-inclined VIII*.

What are they doing? Why?


   
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Posted by: @shiva

This discussion involves allegations that (contemporary) OTO is soliciting donations for Ukraine.

 

  It is not an allegation, they flat out say so on their News From International HQ.  If you want to donate, fine, that's your individual decision to do so.   


   
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I have investigated the allegation. Here is the confession ...

"The Ordo Templi Orientis Ukraine Relief Fund has been established by the International Headquarters of Ordo Templi Orientis to raise funds for our Ukrainian brothers and sisters."

I interpret this confession as a request for donations to support the poor brethren and sistren of the OTO who are unfortunate enough to be living in Hell Ukraine. It does not appear to be a request for funding of the Ukraine gov or The New world Order. It appears to be a humanitarian effort that is restricted to people who pay their dues - or maybe to pay their dues for them.

If I had relatives or brethren in, say, Yemen. the Congo, or North Korea, I would be attempting to get funds through to them.

Please avoid invoking Ignant for another round of self-punishment.

[end official transmission]

[brgin casual chatter]

If you (anyone) sees a different interpretation of this money washing-transferring-machine, please identify where it says so.

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If you want to donate, fine, that's your individual decision to do so.   

No. Neti-neti. I have been formally black-listed by the (c)OTO. I am officially banned from joining the Org. Do you realize what a special position this puts me in? Surely, they would not accept a penny from me!

Shall we test them? Shall I fully identify myself while making a $1 donation? In order to see in which direction their yama/niyama flo? If you think this is a good idea, you may send $1 to my PayPal account, plus a $20 processing fee, and I will do it.

P.S. The fund was announced under the authority of The Supreme council. So this is a VII* maneuver. Do not confuse the planes or mix the plains.


   
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Shall we test them? Shall I fully identify myself while making a $1 donation? In order to see in which direction their yama/niyama flo? If you think this is a good idea, you may send $1 to my PayPal account, plus a $20 processing fee, and I will do it.

 

  I can guarantee that they will accept your donation.  Money makes the world go round. 
Posted by: @shiva

If you (anyone) sees a different interpretation of this money washing-transferring-machine, please identify where it says so.

 

 

Now you see what I and Hagg. see, it's a money laundering scheme.  If the DOJ was not the weaponized Democrat apparatchik it is, possibly President Biden and his offspring would be held accountable.  I don't doubt that Republicans are also involved.  

 

 


   
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No. Neti-neti. I have been formally black-listed by the (c)OTO. I am officially banned from joining the Org. Do you realize what a special position this puts me in? Surely, they would not accept a penny from me!

 

  Why were you blacklisted?  Or do you not want to discuss it?  

 


   
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Now you see what I and Hagg. see, it's a money laundering scheme.

It's always mind-boggling what you two "see". Maybe you also want to re-read the definition of money-laundering. It's also an OTO member's duty to help out other brethren in distress, I think.

 

 


   
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It's always mind-boggling what you two "see". Maybe you also want to re-read the definition of money-laundering. It's also an OTO member's duty to help out other brethren in distress, I think.

 

O.K. so send me some money brother.  I promise I won't use it for booze and drugs.

 


   
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O.K. so send me some money brother.  I promise I won't use it for booze and drugs.

 

As I said, what you do with money that you have been sent, has nothing to do with money laundering.

 


   
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As I said, what you do with money that you have been sent, has nothing to do with money laundering.

 

 

So what?  You are going to quibble ever a stupid definition?  Okay, So Zelensky isn't "laundering" money, he is stealing it.  Is that more accurate?


   
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"That thread found its way to Crowley's copyrights and some interesting information on a person not really on my radar Ms. Smith, would so find it engaging to be appraised of a link to the holder of Mr. Crowleys copyrights, the Ordo Templi Orients....and out of curiosity i would just happen upon something that I thought should be considered relative to a thread about Aleister Crowley 'Versus' racism...to which I believe that the O.T.O., would be best, in the universal spirit of mankind, to stay above the fray, but then have chosen to side with the morally depraved and hijacked Uranian and their Nazi' thugs in what is an avowed racist war against Russia and Russians...who are supported by the majority of the world's peoples and nations...

Anyways I though better of the librarians and their Gnostic Masses....very nice...at least I did not see mandatory vaccination policies, booster records with one's dues....in some of the other updates posted on line...."

----HG from Crowley Versus Racism thread

& a reply from Toadstoolwe

 

@hadgigegenraum It takes guts to make a stand like you have.  Crowley's Law of Liberty, Liber OZ comes to mind.  "The slaves shall serve"*.AL II.58

* "Slaves" Those who follow the status quo.

So this speaks to a factor as to why this thread was started upon Shiva wisdom to not confuse planes..

 


   
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Posted by: @Anonymous

  I can guarantee that they will accept your donation

I agree with your guarantee, so let's drop the money part and get back to the Machinations of the Masonic Magicians.

Posted by: @Anonymous

Now you see what I and Hagg. see, it's a money laundering scheme.

Well, yes. I understand that of the donations made to poor people in poor countries (Red Cross, etc), only about 10% of the $ gets to the victims. As to where the Org is involved in deductions or skimming, none of us can really say, can we? Accusations of criminal activity on a public forum could result in backlash. My image of a washing machine is the archetypal symbol of purification (by soap and water, but no fire). The term money laundering is the legal symbol of dirtiness.

So let us say that The Ukranian Oriental Templar Brethren Relief Fund is on the peripheral vision watch-it list, and we [should] promise not to bear false witness against the Tong without proof.

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I don't doubt that Republicans are also involved.  

Please do not overlook the Elephant sitting on top of the globe - not supporting it as previously depicted. The World Economic Form just met. It was attended by the US Climate Czar, the Head of the FBI, and the Heads of State of 51 countries, mostly in Europe.

The present situation, for all of us, lies in the fact that the WEF is moving in to establish a one-world gov, brought to us by the UN, WHO, etc. Yes, there is a ground level squabble labled, Democrats vs Republicans, but it's filled on both sides of the aisle/trench with globalists.

The globalists are manifesting as corporate entities with big, big bucks. They have certain rules that violate individual rights (see Liber Oz)(not Dr Oz), which they are implementing.

Um, the globalists include bankers. Thus, we find the holders of inherited wealth, identified in The Communist Manifesto as the entities to be defunded, are behind this "end run around national sovereignty." That quote come from the thesis of Zbignew Brzynsky [sic?], said thesis having been adopted by David Rockefeller, and then passed on to a formal acceptance and declaration by the UN.

It is all in writing and it's all being openly declared. In the futue, humans will "own nothing, but you weill be happy!" (through neuromodulation).

Horus (the Individual) is now facing Set (the big gov). Please consult Liber Oz - then pray, or whatever gets you centered.

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  Why were you blacklisted?

All members of the previously manifested Solar Lodge are automatically barred from entry into the (contemporary) Order. This did not prevent the son of Frater Anubis from being accepted, with the full knowledge by all parties of who was who. This did not prevent a detailed discussion of The Rules of Engagement between Hymen B and myself in regards to The History of Solar Lodge.

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It's also an OTO member's duty to help out other brethren in distress, I think.

You think because you are going in the right direction. There is no official duty to cough up welfare funds, but it is hinted at throughout Baphomet's descriptions. It's a Masonic sort of tradition. They look after themselves. There is hope for The widow's son.

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O.K. so send me some money brother.

Master Iff is not your brother in the Tong. He is a co-poster on a publickly-viewed forum display. He is not required to send you "book money."

On the other hand, you owe me $21 if you want your guarantee proven ... but we agreed to let that slide.

Do you notice how this political stuff gets dirty and concerned only with money, the deeper we go?

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So what?  You are going to quibble ever a stupid definition?

Welcome to LAShTAL.com, the site where hairs are split, multiple times, until a basic definition is defined and chiseled into stone. Everybody must get stoned. 

Posted by: @Anonymous

So Zelensky isn't "laundering" money, he is stealing it.  Is that more accurate?

Mister Zel is not related to OTO & Politics, unless linkages are introduced. Association denied. Please stay on-topic. Your obsession with Ukraine and the Comedian should not constantly creep into threads.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Shiva wisdom to not confuse planes..

But I still can't tell the difference between a 727 and a 767. Please help me. In the appropriate thread - not here.

SUMMARY

Ordo Templi wants to send money to brethren in Ukr. Some people think Ordo is skimming funds ... without any proof.

Bottom Line: All orgs take an "administrative" fee or percentage off the top. Then fiddlers fiddle another bunch into their pockets. Yen percent (10%), on average, gets to the front lines. Everybody, every org, does this, and what's left in the goal zone is usually pillaged by local authorities.

This is Planet Earth. A mundane Kingdom where many folks lust for money and power, and they often get it. As soon as they do (get it), they start telling the rest of us what to do. This is, and has been, the way of the world. There is no need for righteous indignation. The is, however, a need to play this dirty game, because we're in it, with the least amount of mental agitation.

 


   
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@shiva   Doesn't matter anyway.  With tanks being sent to the Ukraine, and the arms war heating up, President Putin will have no choice but to unleash a nuclear holocaust.  Don't blame me, I never supported our involvement in the first place.


   
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U.S.A. is the country with a nuclear first strike policy...not Russia!

That first strike policy is based upon the influence of Bertrand Russell and his one world government outlook now being played out in the war against Russia. 

Here is a expose which starts with a defense of "why?"!!!.... in an article entitled: "How Bertrand Russell Became an Evil Man"

https://archive.schillerinstitute.com/fidelio_archive/1994/fidv03n03-1994Fa/fidv03n03-1994Fa_004-how_bertrand_russell_became_an_e-lar.pdf


   
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So what?  You are going to quibble ever a stupid definition?  Okay, So Zelensky isn't "laundering" money, he is stealing it.  Is that more accurate?

We were talking (in fact you) about the OTO here and their collecting of funds to help the Ukrainian OTO members, which you called money laundering (so far Zelensky wasn't even mentioned in this thread and also has nothing to do with Thelema), and I told you no. I won't get involved in your changing the subject to your conspiracy nonsense. You two go on "seeing" things right.

 


   
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@the_real_simon_iff 

I agree the O.T.O. is likely not money laundering with the Ukraine...leave that to the big boys and girls like Sam Bankman-Fried's handlers....

No the O.T.O. is merely hoping on a bandwagon in the west, with the latest cause celebre...


   
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Don't blame me, I never supported our involvement in the first place.

The Lords of Karma will assign blame and direct the rockets, regardless of anyone's proclaimed innocwnce or the assignment of blame by mere me.

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We were talking (in fact you) about the OTO here and their collecting of funds to help the Ukrainian OTO members, which you called money laundering

So what? Some folks are obsessed with Ukr, Zel, Put, Tanks, and the coming Rockets. The same entities creep into threads about dily-making and AC's favoriye cigars. Instruction in dharana is freely poured upon such obsessees, but (as you can see) all roads lead to Kiev (I use the older spelling).

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

I agree the O.T.O. is likely not money laundering with the Ukraine...

Oh, well, that's settled.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

...leave that to the big boys and girls like Sam Bankman-Fried's handlers....

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This thread must be read in conjunction with Book 4 or 8 Lectures, or any text that describes the counting of [breaks].

 


   
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U.S.A. is the country with a nuclear first strike policy...not Russia!

That first strike policy is based upon the influence of Bertrand Russell and his one world government outlook now being played out in the war against Russia. 

Here is a expose which starts with a defense of "why?"!!!.... in an article entitled: "How Bertrand Russell Became an Evil Man"

https://archive.schillerinstitute.com/fidelio_archive/1994/fidv03n03-1994Fa/fidv03n03-1994Fa_004-how_bertrand_russell_became_an_e-lar.pdf

  I notice the article was written by Lyndon H. LaRouche Jr.  A highly controversial man in his own right.  I'll look forward to reading it. The article will demand a lot of time and attention. Thank you.

 


   
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I'll look forward to reading it.

 

Of course you are. Schiller Institute is the home of cospiracy nuts and antisemites worldwide and LaRouche - erm - yes, "controversial."

 


   
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@the_real_simon_iff I am interested in ALL points of view.  The Law is for ALL.  I even subscribe to Torah.com for Biblical and Rabbinic insights into Hebrew religion and law.  Many concepts intersect with Croley's Kabbalistic system.


   
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OOPs, I meant Crowley and Mathers and Waite, and Dion Fortune.


   
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@the_real_simon_iff I am interested in ALL points of view.

Sure you are. I knew. I said it.

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Many concepts intersect with Croley's Kabbalistic system.

Sure they do. The invasion of the Ukraine probably not.

 

 


   
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@the_real_simon_iff I've pretty much said all I can say on that subject.


   
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@the_real_simon_iff I've pretty much said all I can say on that subject.

I do hope so. After you and your buddy "saw" that the OTO were clearly money laundering with their help for Ukrainian OTO members you also saw they were "likely" not, but whatever, the US have a first strike policy, Ukraine is attacking Russians, and now it it is definetely okay for Putin to start a nuclear war. So please, I dearly urge you, let this be pretty all you can say on the subject.

 


   
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@the_real_simon_iff 

Got nothing better than the old anti-semite canard...maybe you will get a knock on the door, Nazi Zelenski needs more fodder for the eastern front...


   
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

@the_real_simon_iff 

Got nothing better than the old anti-semite canard...maybe you will get a knock on the door, Zelenski needs more fodder for the eastern front....

Well, ain't you sweet. I do not visit antisemite sites just to get ALL views. You do. Never said you are an antisemite, you just want to get all the vibes, for sure. Looked forward to reading it. Was up to spend time and attention to read. Instead you are here again defending yourself. Live up to your actions, man. You have made yourself clear. Why not join the Wagner group? They sure do need fodder too.

And: I really thought you won't say more on the subject. This is the AC Society pages. The thread is called "OTO & politics" (stupid enough). It also will be locked soon, so PLEASE do not say more on the subject (which isn't even the subject). The OTO stands with their Ukrainian members and you think this is wrong. What is there more to say?

 


   
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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

Many concepts intersect with Croley's Kabbalistic system.

Iff replies ...

Sure they do. The invasion of the Ukraine probably not.

So many points.

1.Setting aside the mis-spelling of Crawly, which you already corrected, please note that AC always spelled it Qabalah, as it comes from the root "QBL" - the "K" usage is a slip or a slur ... and the "C" spelling is way out of the (traditional) line.

2. All concepts can be traced down in 777, which was Bennett's system, not Crowlet's, but AC adopted it. Place Zel at Atu 0 (zero), Put at Atu XV, the Pope at Atu XII, King Charles at Atu XVII (WEF = 17; the King's first announcement after his mother, Big Liz, died was: "I vow to bring in the Great Reset"), and so on.

3. However, as noted, very little (if any) of this crap is relative to the primary and sole purpose of this site. The thread title and early comments are valid, especially if we ask What would Crowley think?  

4. Butt, just look at the fornicating off-topic, LaRouche, Zelinsky mess that has oozed out in only a day, with OTO completely neglected.

5. Obsession. Poor control of expression in Restricted (Guidelined) Zones, potential terminal bias. I dunno. Maybe I'll give it up for a day or two.

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Well, ain't you sweet.

Uh-huh.

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

What is there more to say?

The Oriental Templar Order wants to send funds to it's members in Ukraine. This is permissible under almost any law, if you do it properly, which is mostly paperwork and a balanced ledger. This actually is not even a "political" matter.  It is a "war zone" affair.


   
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3. However, as noted, very little (if any) of this crap is relative to the primary and sole purpose of this site. The thread title and early comments are valid, especially if we ask What would Crowley think?  

 

I believe Crowley would think, or write, The Three great Hoaxes of the War: Blessed are they that have not seen and Have Believed.  I have no doubt Crowley would see this as a realization of the supremacy of the warrior god Horus.  Make no mistake, we are in World War III.  WE are watching it escalate in real time.

 

 


   
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1.Setting aside the mis-spelling of Crawly, which you already corrected, please note that AC always spelled it Qabalah, as it comes from the root "QBL" - the "K" usage is a slip or a slur ... and the "C" spelling is way out of the (traditional) line.

 

  Of course you are correct.  I'll study the QBL and mind my P's & Q's.

 


   
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The point concerned a group, which I do not belong, the Caliphate OTO, soliciting funds, along a geopolitical fracture points which arguably does not serve what might speak to the higher ideals of such group, ostensibly promoting Thelema, to engage in what is an extremely partisan mess, and particularly when it has membership groups in other countries...

The issue is if one wants to help the Ukrainians, then stop promoting war... Stop promoting those who would outlaw religious freedom as seen with the attacks upon the Russian Orthodox Churches which is coming from the Anglo-American sphere of dominance who want to obliterate all nation states into a one world government, which might be part of various wet dreams of OTO folks...

The relevance of reference Mr. LaRouche's article on why Bertrand Russell was an evil man, is that it ultimately concerns the present crisis, but significantly in referencing a conception of mankind that recognizes a certain divine spark, found within all children, of a cognitive immortal soul, that speaks to freeing oneself, and humanity, from that which would stupefy through trauma, horror, and as reinforced by propaganda, and would so engage in such slaughter as was Nagasaki and Hiroshima; This is the danger of pushing war against Russia, as now admitted by Merkl and Macron, that peace deals were but a bluff.

Thus the knee jerk calling of the Schiller Institute anti-semitic is quite unfortunate particularly considering the great number of Jews and other semitic people are part of the organization, to which ground breaking work on the Yiddish Renaissance would place the tropes of those pushing such smears to rest.

One needs to understand, and as relates to the present war, is that Mr. LaRouche was influenced and promoted the genius of economist Rosa Luxemburg who recognized that militarism went hand in hand with primitive accumulation debt mining facilitated by usury and thus slavery enforced at the point of a gun. Hence the attack on Libya for creating a development bank for Africa outside of the IMF/World Bank loan sharking practices, aimed at keeping such places as easy pickings for cheap raw materials.

https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2009/eirv36n32-20090821/eirv36n32-20090821_026-rosa_luxemburg_and_larouches_tri.pdf

Rosa Luxemburg was hardly a "right winger",and her work is still significant.

This is the point of war against Russia, to stop a sovereign nation state from protecting its people, towards subjugation to the "Rules Based Order" which means sign this contract or we kill you...And such an attitude might well read Chapter III, and be inclined to promote war, rather than to transcend  what is leading to economic collapse, enslavement and cultural and actual suicide.

What Crowley and LaRouche have in common, is that Crowley was not a believer in the Malthus as in the Confessions he scoffs over population arguments. And Crowley understood that each individual is unique, with transcendent powers of genius that can be cultivated~

Furthermore one of LaRouche's concerns had to do with the idea of the "coincidence of opposites" by which paradox is overcome, and to which is the basis of peace, of Maat, and which is at the heart of the principle of peace as found in the Treaty of Westphalia, a conception that is why LaRouche is smeared by those who do not want to see the advantage of the other, but rather blow up gas pipelines in order to keep Wall Street afloat on the perversion of the U.S. Dollar....


   
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@hadgigegenraum   Very well argued.  Your point that the U.S. has first strike capability is interesting. But I would argue that Putin could utilize short-range thermonuclear missiles against the Ukraine or Poland.  The hatred between Poland and Russia goes back hundreds of years.  This conflict is not over by a long shot, it will lead to the final conflagration. 

Just for a lighthearted interlude, I found a poem by Crowley entitled: The Giant's thumb:  I won't quote all of it, but I will mention a couple of lines that are both amusing and somewhat relevant to our discussion:

"Anaemic louts, leucorrhoeic Sluts"

Give way, give way to gods with guts!"

 

 

 

 

 


   
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Make no mistake, we are in World War III. 

According to you (and other nervous folks who make mistakes and announce wars that are merely potential.

 


   
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@shiva If all of Western and the U.S. are sending arms and money to fight an adversary, that is definition of a world war.  If India and China still trade with Russia despite the petty vindictiveness of the EU and U.S.  They are by proxy involved in this war.


   
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sending arms and money to fight an adversary ... is definition of a world war. 

According to you. Please note that other folks rely on an Official Declaration of War. We've been sending $ and arms to [almost] everybody for decades in order to fight their creeps.

Official war may be pending. Please stop creating thoughtforms of Armageddon, except in jest. Do you not realize that your outlook/perceptionis influences Malkuthian reality?

 


   
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Posted by: @Shiva
Please stop creating thoughtforms of Armageddon, except in jest. Do you not realize that your outlook/perceptionis influences Malkuthian reality?

Maybe he hasn't awakened from the sliver of a reflection in the continuum of the ordinary level of conception of the human light wave and is in the throws of the decadent decay cycles; and is just gathering data, throwing bones and looking at possible out comes out side the present consideration.


   
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Maybe ...

Perhaps ...


   
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Posted by: @Shiva
Please stop creating thoughtforms of Armageddon, except in jest. Do you not realize that your outlook/perceptionis influences Malkuthian reality?

Maybe he hasn't awakened from the sliver of a reflection in the continuum of the ordinary level of conception of the human light wave and is in the throws of the decadent decay cycles; and is just gathering data, throwing bones and looking at possible out comes out side the present consideration.

  You guys might be right.  I did a tarot reading yesterday, and my outcome card was the seven of cups, or Debauch.  As well as XVI The Tower, and the Aeon XX.  Very dynamic cards.

 


   
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you have three faces,
cast in relief,
that share a single skull and one neck.
In the intermediate state of interwoven layers
bejeweled with ornaments of moist human heads,
strung together with intestines
dripping with blood,
sitting on a corpse
chanting He He He Ha Ha Ha.

Among flesh eaters, hungry ghosts, cannibals, and clattering zombies.
In the place where migrating corpses abide,
grasping at mirages of inherent existences
in the charnel burning grounds of impermanence;
clinging attachment and craving the validation of a separate existence;
as they transition into the unknown territory;
the place of stillness where transformation takes place.

in this intermediate apparent state-being
working with superimpositions and imputed realities;
a stream of nectar descends.
The bliss of ascertaining emptiness
pervading the fathoms;
ripens the coarse gross appearances;
extracting the luminous essence of Liberation.

May The Hounds of Odin lead you
to the treasures of Ploutōn
and the graces of Ereshkigal
The seed syllable of wrathful Lochana.

the swoon
of the interval
between one thing and another
has ended.
The aspect of mind that has no limitation,
no form, not simply empty but as blazing illuminating potential
has been brought to bare.

You may now partake of flesh and blood
and visualize yourself
as the
Familiar
phenomenon.


   
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Posted by: @tiger

bejeweled with ornaments of moist human heads,

  The goddess kali
Posted by: @tiger

Among flesh eaters, hungry ghosts, cannibals, and clattering zombies.

the realm of Xoluti, the dog-faced soul-guide of the dead (ANUBIS?) in the underworld of Mictlian.  Ruled by Mictianteculiti  god of death and decay.

You are a Very talented and insightful poet. So,

Posted by: @tiger

The seed syllable of wrathful Lochana. Om, Aum.  Buddhalocana I will pray to you.

 

 

I have three faces, Father Son, Holy Ghost?  Vishnu Shiva Krishna? Winkin',Blinkin' and Nod?  Mussolini, Stalin, and Hitler?

 


   
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3 faces
are extra ordinary
and signify
consecrated
deific forces


   
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something outside the normal scope and range of affairs


   
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Posted by: @Anonymous

I have three faces, Father Son, Holy Ghost?

True Self, Causal Self (Soul), Dork/Twit/Nerd (vehicle).

Posted by: @Anonymous

Mussolini, Stalin, and Hitler?

Your obsession is showing.

Posted by: @tiger

something outside the normal scope and range of affairs

The box! The box! Thinking outside the box.


   
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Shiva: "Official war may be pending. Please stop creating  thoughtforms of Armageddon, except in jest. Do you not realize that your outlook/perceptionis influences Malkuthian reality?"

 

"I was very anxious that my style should not be influenced by my contemporaries, and also not to waste myself on anybody who had not stood the test of time. [...] With regard to history[1] again, I demanded that the subject should be important. I did not see why I should bother my head about the Crimean War. [...]

Footnote[...]: [1] There is no such thing as history. The facts, even were they available, are too numerous to grasp. A selection must be made; and this can only be one-sided, because the selector is enclosed in the same network of time and space as his subject."

(Source: Source: ["]The Spirit of Solitude[.] An Autohagiography Subsequently re-Antichristened The Confessions of Aleister Crowley[.]["])

 

"["]Worship then the Khabs, and behold my light shed over you!["] [...] The New Comment[:]

We are to pay attention to this Inmost Light; then comes the answering Light of Infinite Space. Note that the Light of Space is what men call Darkness; its nature is utterly incomprehensible to our uninitiated minds. It is the 'veils' mentioned previously in this comment that obstruct the relation between Nuit and Hadit.

We are not to worship the Khu, to fall in love with our Magical Image. To do this – we have all done it – is to forget our Truth. If we adore Form, it becomes opaque to Being, and may soon prove false to itself. The Khu in each of us includes the Cosmos as he knows it. To me, even another Khabs is only part of my Khu. Our own Khabs is our one sole Truth."

(Source: Aleister Crowley's The New Comment, to his The Book of the Law (for his Thelema), Chapter 1, verse 9.)


   
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Your obsession is showing.  True. I am obsessed by power and the men who wield it.  Aleister Crowley among them.

 

 

 


   
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Footnote[...]: [1] There is no such thing as history. The facts, even were they available, are too numerous to grasp. A selection must be made; and this can only be one-sided, because the selector is enclosed in the same network of time and space as his subject."

 

  Man have you opened the can of worms! Now we will have to create a new thread on the Philosophy of History starting with Herodotus, Hegel, Carlyle, Marx and Foucault.

 


   
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Posted by: @Anonymous

I am obsessed by power and the men who wield it.  Aleister Crowley among them.

 

Power is often very quiet...

 


   
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Posted by: @Anonymous

Now we will have to create a new thread...

C'mon! I am sure you can squeeze that into totally unrelated threads also 😉

 


   
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This thread is entitled "OTO & Politics. How in the world are the last few posts even remotely related? It's like being on Facebook.


   
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Posted by: @michael-staley

This thread is entitled "OTO & Politics. How in the world are the last few posts even remotely related? It's like being on Facebook.

Ah, you noticed? But since the initial goal to prove that the OTO is money laundering and war promoting (all because it is political) couldn't be reached, something else had to be said....

But you might want to rephrase:

"This thread is entitled "insert Thread title". How in the world are the last few posts even remotely related? It's like being on Facebook."

Liber AL related threads (cypher-wise or sequel-wise) might be the only exception these days.

 


   
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Man have you opened the can of worms! Now we will have to create a new thread ...

Don't bother. We all know about the history-fiddling, with bias.

Besides, the creating of threads is worthless. This thread was created for a specific purpose: To move Choronzon (corona-zone) out of a dedicated thread that was going to hell. This thread is now the off-topic hell on wheels of the decadent.

The several people who are irritated with the ongoing derailment issue, including myself, and I see they are now calling for orthodox channeling ("straight talk on topic").

Please stick to the topic.

Posted by: @michael-staley

How in the world are the last few posts even remotely related?

There has been a constant nudge to stay focused and on-topic throughout this thread and from previous inchronations (past threads) in relation to the primary derailer.

You will see me going along, but then asking for a return to the straight and narrow. Katrice will enjoin him for an exchange of obscure names of people of whom I never heard. Iff has attempted to neutralize the raging Geburah in his mind, but to no avail. Ignant has offered to Stop Feeding the Troll, and then he didit - his dying words, barely a whisper, pleaded, Get back on Topic!. WellBred has offered philosophical comfort from Crowley not to worry about Crimea.

If I missed anyone in role call, excuse my memory, but then ...

The offender has confessed that he does not do the Work, and he has confessed to taking anti-psychotic medication that prevents him from entering the wilderness. Taking such restrictibilities into humanitarian consideration, please allow me to decline to use the hatchet, but only to reveal it ...

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@toadstoolwe

When people don't follow The Guidelines, like continually pushing an off-topic obsession (an agenda), or other strange things, they are labeled a Troll, and the cure is to ...

Please do not Feed the Troll

This is the hatchette, and if this slogan is called, no-one will respond to your posts. Maybe they will if the posts are on-topic, I dunno. But anybody responding to off-the-wall posts will be sharply reminded, Do not Feed the Troll.

Now I know that you are not a Troll. You just pretended to be one when you crawled up here from Middle Earth. Yes, your debut is embedded in the Akaskic Records. You do seem to be overly-agitated and insistent upon discussing external politics and wars, first-ray stuff, that's cool - did you know AC was weilding some first-ray energy? The OTO tries t do so, but there's no first ray or second ray guy or gal running the show, so we get this thread.

This is your Final Warning

Off-topic comments or replies, unaccompanied by reasonable linkage(s) to the Topic, will release the chopping mechanism. If this happens, do not get upset that you are being sidelined as a troll, because you will be sidelining yourself by going off-topic.

 


   
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@wellreadwellbred 

The juxtaposition of quotes is apropos, poetically powerful in each amplifying the other. as I find them once again, together.

Yes the same Crimean war blasts to kingdom come, and hopefully not with minutemen and depleted uranium against hypersonic backed warnings ... the glamors gone in a flash 

for the law was given

the quotes are worth rereading

Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

"I was very anxious that my style should not be influenced by my contemporaries, and also not to waste myself on anybody who had not stood the test of time. [...] With regard to history[1] again, I demanded that the subject should be important. I did not see why I should bother my head about the Crimean War. [...]

Footnote[...]: [1] There is no such thing as history. The facts, even were they available, are too numerous to grasp. A selection must be made; and this can only be one-sided, because the selector is enclosed in the same network of time and space as his subject."

(Source: Source: ["]The Spirit of Solitude[.] An Autohagiography Subsequently re-Antichristened The Confessions of Aleister Crowley[.]["])

 

"["]Worship then the Khabs, and behold my light shed over you!["] [...] The New Comment[:]

We are to pay attention to this Inmost Light; then comes the answering Light of Infinite Space. Note that the Light of Space is what men call Darkness; its nature is utterly incomprehensible to our uninitiated minds. It is the 'veils' mentioned previously in this comment that obstruct the relation between Nuit and Hadit.

We are not to worship the Khu, to fall in love with our Magical Image. To do this – we have all done it – is to forget our Truth. If we adore Form, it becomes opaque to Being, and may soon prove false to itself. The Khu in each of us includes the Cosmos as he knows it. To me, even another Khabs is only part of my Khu. Our own Khabs is our one sole Truth."

(Source: Aleister Crowley's The New Comment, to his The Book of the Law (for his Thelema), Chapter 1, verse 9.)

 

 


   
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