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05/01/2020 11:02 am  

I guess the common perception is that pornstars are 'bimbos' or 'airheads'. 

 

https://thechive.com/2017/05/31/pornstars-that-earned-college-degrees-20-photos/?fbclid=IwAR2UPTypBmSD0n_GPBgl9IAeIH0aM57jV4tMyPlxSrAq3p2iF6frW4CMFE4

Also from another source ; Ron Jeremy earned a bachelors degree in Education and Theater and a masters degree in Special Education from Queens College in New York.   Of course I'm sure Lashtal member ex porn star  Micheal (Tierney) is well capable of acquiring a college degree or more considering that he was a child chess champion.   

I guess this is relevant I terms of Crowley's comment on the notion of 'Sin' breaking down in this aeon. 

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05/01/2020 2:00 pm  

Actually Missy Woods appears in the list she has a Psychology degree and she worked with Michael.  Alright!

 

1m55s in ; The Last Days Of Joe Blow (Original Trailer)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3vXTDLl7h8


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05/01/2020 2:08 pm  
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I guess the common perception is that pornstars are 'bimbos' or 'airheads'. 

No, it isn't. 


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05/01/2020 6:28 pm  
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I guess this is relevant I terms of Crowley's comment on the notion of 'Sin' breaking down in this aeon. 

That is a long stretch .............. stretched out so long that it's hard to see how this relates to Crowley.

 


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05/01/2020 7:15 pm  

You're not having my 'sin' breakdown in the new aeon?   Well if Michael is Aiwass then there's a direct link. 


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05/01/2020 10:24 pm  
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if Michael is Aiwass then there's a direct link. 

Sssstreeeeetchiiing.


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06/01/2020 1:46 am  

sometimes smart people do dumb things

and sometimes dumb people do smart things

 


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06/01/2020 6:43 am  

sometimes smart people do dumb things
and sometimes dumb people do smart things

 

Nice.  Michael did you lose contact with Missy Woods?


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06/01/2020 10:57 am  
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Michael did you lose contact with Missy Woods?

Yes. I've only kept in touch with a few director friends, but I heard she's fine back in Texas. Been a few suicides and a few O.D.'s (performers, directors, etc) a few more than in my normal life it seems. But I think she's okay.


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06/01/2020 12:17 pm  

Jesus.  .I know I had said some judgemental things about porn stars in the past but that was due to my psychological armouring at the time.   I would happily like to shack up with Missy Woods or Larkin Love......I think.  

You sound like you now view your porno career as a lower stage of your development.  Don't I say.

I feel I can relax with e.g. pole dancers whereas a lot of women are just so uptight.

 

By the way Michael do you still play chess?


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You sound like you now view your porno career as a lower stage of your development.  Don't I say.

I view it as a bit reckless and not too healthy. But that was sort of the point. I went in with eyes open and tried to be smart about it. (sort of like taking a taxi to a bar instead of driving yourself--smart, but your still a drunk.)

In the interest of tying Aleister Crowley to this thread in some form or fashion, below is the manifestation collage I created in 2006 for my mission in pornography which does feature Aleister Crowley prominently.

I had resigned myself to living a personal somewhat tragic myth. Inspired by Lenny Bruce, Aleister Crowley, Larry Flynt et al. I could see that I didn't really like Hollywood or the people much. And that I would much rather live an interesting and authentic life even if a bit tragic.

By the way Michael do you still play chess?

Yes but only casual games with friends. Not too often. I haven't played in a rated tournament since I was 18. But I am a life member of the United States Chess Federation.

Being a chess master (or college graduate--which I am not) comes in handy when trying to justify bad choices. But that's a pretty poor use of an education.

 


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07/01/2020 9:35 pm  

@elitemachinery

 

Nice collage there.

From the introduction of AL;

 Horus... rules the present period of 2,000 years, beginning in 1904. Everywhere his government is taking root. Observe for yourselves the decay of the sense of Also see AL sin, the growth of innocence and irresponsibility

Also see AL 3:43 and 3:44 on  'shamelessness' of women.... but there may be symbolic aspects there.

@elitemachinery 

I view it as a bit reckless and not too healthy.

Ok.... the actors at the awards interviews seem ok.

I could see that I didn't really like Hollywood or the people much. And that I would much rather live an interesting and authentic life even if a bit tragic.

Authenticity, that's what magick is supposed to be about. 

Yes but only casual games with friends. Not too often. I haven't played in a rated tournament since I was 18. But I am a life member of the United States Chess Federation.

Ok, were you good at maths?


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08/01/2020 5:02 am  
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From the introduction of AL;

 Horus... rules the present period of 2,000 years, beginning in 1904. Everywhere his government is taking root. Observe for yourselves the decay of the sense of Also see AL sin, the growth of innocence and irresponsibility

I don't see the introduction of the Hermetic website. Do you have a link where I can read it. My hard copy of Liber AL has no introduction.

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Also see AL 3:43 and 3:44 on  'shamelessness' of women.... but there may be symbolic aspects there.

III:43 Let the Scarlet Woman beware! If pity and compassion and tenderness visit her heart; if she leave my work to toy with old sweetnesses; then shall my vengeance be known. I will slay me her child: I will alienate her heart: I will cast her out from men: as a shrinking and despised harlot shall she crawl through dusk wet streets, and die cold and an-hungered.
 
III:44 But let her raise herself in pride! Let her follow me in my way! Let her work the work of wickedness! Let her kill her heart! Let her be loud and adulterous! Let her be covered with jewels, and rich garments, and let her be shameless before all men!
 
Heavy indeed. Every time I read the book it reveals new things.
 
Posted by: @dom

I view it as a bit reckless and not too healthy.

Ok.... the actors at the awards interviews seem ok.

The awards and celebrity are used to reward current talent and bait new talent. It is legit. But there is a dark side. My feelings are mixed about it. I think the sex business is much like cocaine. A hell of a lot of fun but it leaves you empty and broken.

Many of the directors and producers whom I worked for were former cocaine traffickers who spent time in prison. This is a documented fact. I found this interesting. In a sense they were still dealing a drug. This time it was sex and pornography. And i'm sure that porn was a great way to slowly launder all those drug profits they had buried somewhere while they served their time in prison. Porn is a business with no entry requirements and a good way appear to have gone legit for their probation officers.

Sex work (I view porn as a sort of sexual athletics--but it is also a job) of any kind takes it's toll on the physical body and the human spirit. It certainly did with me. Try having sex for 2-4 hours a day for 30 days straight. On camera. With different people and different situations. It is a physical feat. A sexual marathon. Ever go to a whore house and then visit again a year later? (hehe I have 🙂 No one looks better than they did a year before.

Rare is the old porn star or prostitute who has found bliss and is full of light and exuberance. Ron Jeremy is the living dead. Rocco Siffredi is my age and is a great fellow but his spirit is tired and sickly. Healthy examples do exist but they are rare. Pron veterans resemble old junkies after a while. Like William Burroughs, they may be survivors, but the death in their wake is abundant. Not being judgmental, just relating my experience.

Jake Malone whom I worked for many times jumped off a bridge in Long Beach a few years ago and died. This after trying to start a new life outside and failing. Brandon Iron (whom gave me my first and last job) recently committed suicide. He had a young daughter. It is sad. He flew me all around the world many times. He was a friend. About 2% of the ladies I worked with are dead of suicides--mostly OD's. Given that may be partly a numbers game. If you come into contact with thousands a few are bound to have died. But it is rough on the human spirit. Porn is punk rock for strippers and perverts. It's fun but it takes it's toll.

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Ok, were you good at maths?

Yes but I was a terrible student. Chess was my excuse. I hated High School. I graduated high school at 16 after having a frank talk with my dad about how much I hated it. It took me six months of night school to get my diploma. While getting my diploma I started studying art & music at the local community college. I made friends easily with older students in college and immediately started getting A's.

I continued with chess while in college and eventually became a USCF chess master:

Here is one of my better games published in the LA Times December 1983:

My father was very proud. A few weeks later in Dec 1983 my father died and I decided I was done with chess. I moved to Hollywood to begin a new chapter. LSD, sex magick, indie film, and my crazy Uncle Larry.

 

 

 

 


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08/01/2020 8:57 am  

eliemachinery, what would your advice be to female talent, whose true will is finding a career path in the pron business?


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whose true will is finding a career path in the pron business?

I believe that should be prong ... not "pron." It's that mysterious "G" from the other thread.


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08/01/2020 6:21 pm  

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Michael here is the link for an AL intro ;

https://lib.oto-usa.org/libri/liber0220.html

. I think the sex business is much like cocaine. A hell of a lot of fun but it leaves you empty and broken.

Maybe 'players' eventually feel that way also. 

Many of the directors and producers whom I worked for were former cocaine traffickers who spent time in prison. This is a documented fact.

I heard that the music business was that way also. 

. Porn is a business with no entry requirements and a good way appear to have gone legit for their probation officers.

Makes sense.

Sex work (I view porn as a sort of sexual athletics--but it is also a job) of any kind takes it's toll on the physical body and the human spirit. It certainly did with me. Try having sex for 2-4 hours a day for 30 days straight. On camera. With different people and different situations. It is a physical feat. A sexual marathon. Ever go to a whore house and then visit again a year later? (hehe I have No one looks better than they did a year before.

Yeah I could imagine the novelty wearing off after a few months or so.   

 

Rocco Siffredi is my age and is a great fellow but his spirit is tired and sickly. Healthy examples do exist but they are rare. Porn veterans resemble old junkies after a while. Like William Burroughs, they may be survivors, but the death in their wake is abundant. Not being judgmental, just relating my experience.

Ok.   I guess the judgement is a problem I..e how is Missy Woods going to become a soccer mom in some middle American town?  I guess they'd have to stay in crazy places like Hollywood to fit in?

Yes but I was a terrible student. Chess was my excuse. I hated High School. I graduated high school at 16 after having a frank talk with my dad about how much I hated it.

Why and what did you hate?

It took me six months of night school to get my diploma. While getting my diploma I started studying art & music at the local community college. I made friends easily with older students in college and immediately started getting A's.

Did you get a music/art degree?

I continued with chess while in college and eventually became a USCF chess master

You could've probably have developed a career in finance/banking or maths/education if you were inclined to go there.  Thanks Michael, hope the Aiwass code-riddles are going good.    Do any recurring numbers crop up on that code journey?


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08/01/2020 6:29 pm  

Michael I think it's about balance and the capacity to be able to hack a long term intimate relationship.   Missy Woods for example  or Larkin Love or Ryan Driller etc, do these guys have long term intimate partners in stable relationships?


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09/01/2020 10:41 am  
Posted by: @dom

Michael here is the link for an AL intro ;

Thanks for the link:

This “God,” Horus, has a technical title: Heru-Ra-Ha, a combination of twin gods, Ra-Hoor-Khuit and Hoor-Paar-Kraat. The meaning of this doctrine must be studied in Magick. (He is symbolized as a Hawk-Headed God enthroned.)

He rules the present period of 2,000 years, beginning in 1904. Everywhere his government is taking root. Observe for yourselves the decay of the sense of sin, the growth of innocence and irresponsibility, the strange modifications of the reproductive instinct with a tendency to become bisexual or epicene, the childlike confidence in progress combined with nightmare fear of catastrophe, against which we are yet half unwilling to take precautions.

About 100 years ahead of his time.

III 45

But let her raise herself in pride! Let her follow me in my way! Let her work the work of wickedness! Let her kill her heart! Let her be loud and adulterous! Let her be covered with jewels, and rich garments, and let her be shameless before all men!

This verse does seem to describe some of the shameless whores of prong. I've known and worked with a few at that level. Shameless, rich, drug free, superstars such as Nikki Benz come to mind.

She would qualify as one of the more positive examples. She must be close to 40 now and still going strong.

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eliemachinery, what would your advice be to female talent, whose true will is finding a career path in the pron business?

I think the True Will reveals itself in stages. So a young woman may have her will aligned toward being an adult performer. But later find that her True Will is to crusade against it, or to be an educator and protector of those that choose to do it. Or to be a sex therapist. Or simply to use the money she made to move her family out of Syria.

Personally, I think being a Vegas stripper or Private Cam Model and quickly saving money would be an easier way to disappear anonymously and start a new life afterward.

Posted by: @dom

Why and what did you hate? [about High School]

The lack of freedom, the cliques, the structure, lack of purpose

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Did you get a music/art degree?

No. I did two years at community college studying music composition and graphic art. Then later entered Dick Grove School of Music to study composition & arranging. My experiences in school arranging composing and recording live sessions small quartets and big bands came in handy when writing and producing the soundtrack for my indie film EVICTED, For me making a movie included most everything id ever learned or was interested in. Visual art, music, acting, directing, set design, humor. It can be a lot of fun.

You can hear the EVICTED Soundtrack here: https://youtu.be/Q1zXnhZRk3Y

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You could've probably have developed a career in finance/banking or maths/education if you were inclined to go there.

I work with computers all day every day. Web and graphic design, server admin/hosting, building/rebuilding machines trouble shooting. Pretty normal stuff. I also mine and trade crypto currency. And I keep meticulous records of my spending and income. It helps me see patterns and stay on a budget. All pretty basic though. I'm no genius.

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Michael I think it's about balance and the capacity to be able to hack a long term intimate relationship.   Missy Woods for example  or Larkin Love or Ryan Driller etc, do these guys have long term intimate partners in stable relationships?

Yes some do, usually with other performers. But few last long term. Jealousy eventually destroys them.


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09/01/2020 10:58 am  

The correct link to the EVICTED Soundtrack is:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHrScLDA6NcE-4sZeM2avX-z5a5Ipjocy


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II 45
But let her raise herself in pride! Let her follow me in my way! Let her work the work of wickedness! Let her kill her heart! Let her be loud and adulterous! Let her be covered with jewels, and rich garments, and let her be shameless before all men!

This verse does seem to describe some of the shameless whores of prong. I've known and worked with a few at that level. Shameless, rich, drug free, superstars such as Nikki Benz come to mind.

 

Nikki Benz, they look like fake breasts but anyway there have been debates about those lines quoted in terms of how women with Old Aeon views deny the True Will of modern woman etc.   Oh I see you are basically a proper composer of big bands etc.  Ok Michael, hope your web business is doing well.  I guess you could give chess lessons with your rep if you so wish.   I'll check out that link when I get focussed. 


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11/01/2020 12:01 am  

Why is this thread titled "(adults only)"?  Are there likely to be minors present?

(Maybe a more relevant sub-heading might be: "Michael Sean Tierney - This is Your Life?"!)

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Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Are there likely to be minors present?

I'll bet'cha there's a lot of drive-through minors, maybe even long-term addicts. They would be drawn by Aleister's infamy and the fact that some posters are potty-mouthed.

Ask Ignant how old he was when he read his first Crowley book.

 


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11/01/2020 1:45 am  

It's obvious that any minor "worth their salt" is going to ignore any notice supposedly trying to restrict them, tell them what to do or what not to do & warn them off with an "Adults Only" injunction, especially when there'd be no means to enforce it or even tell they'd transgressed...

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11/01/2020 10:17 am  

@shiva and jamie

 

Why 'adults only'?  I forget.  Why do you think? 

@elitemachinery

 

I checked out the soundtrack Michael that was good stuff.  There seems to be an undercurrent of humour in there.  I didn't expect this genre from you.  You have that reverby rockabilly type of guitar nailed and sometimes it all reminds me of  The John Spencer Blues Explosion.    "White trash girl" reminds me of Chris Isaak.   The moodiness of the title track reminds me of The Birthday Party maybe even Jim Morrison/The Doors.   I laughed out loud as the reggae track started.    "D.U.I."  should be on the annual country awards show I'd love to see that.    "Hail Micro" is probably my favourite track. 

Did you play all of the instruments?       


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Posted by: @shiva

Ask Ignant how old he was when he read his first Crowley book.

11 or 12. More to the point here, i think i first heard of AC from Gershon Legman's Rationale of the dirty joke, a favorite by age 10 or so because of the many examples. I also found the Freudian analysis of the jokes interesting, and learned of many obscure and subcultural things from Legman. His very negative views on AC as a charlatan and cesspool of perversion piqued my youthful curiosity.

I don't think there has been any content here unsuitable for very young folks- we have discussed the existence of porn but the content has hardly "appealed to the prurient interest". My son knew what 4 Chan was by age 9 or 10, so really the horse is out of the barn anyway for any kid with an internet connection.

I haven't known anyone in the porn biz, which is mostly a west coast thing, but have known many sex workers, and dated a few (in their off-work hours). All had self-esteem issues, stemming from daddy issues, and manifest in heavy drinking, and heavy hard drug use. I would guess most women in porn are drawn from the same types of women that get involved in stripping, dominatrix work, and "escort" work (aka prostitution).


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11/01/2020 3:36 pm  
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Why 'adults only'?  I forget.  Why do you think? 

I think this sounds like some kinda bullshit on your part.

I'm surprised you seem to have suddenly changed your stance from being previously critical to now apparently being elite's number one fanboy (or, I suppose, given your habitual mercuriness, not really all that surprised!) - does this mean you have now decided to believe his 'AC  reincarnated' claim as well?

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…  "Hail Micro" is probably my favourite track. 

Dom, I suggest you forget about any ideas of a career as a music critic and stick to your day job!  (I favoured "Return of Phoenix Blues" myself, possibly because the riff put me in mind of something else - can't think of what, for the moment).

On the photo for this soundtrack, would the guy on the left be related to Nigel "Turn it up to 11" Tufnel out of Spinal Tap?

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11 or 12. More to the point here, i think i first heard of AC from Gershon Legman's Rationale of the dirty joke, a favorite by age 10 or so because of the many examples. I also found the Freudian analysis of the jokes interesting, and learned of many obscure and subcultural things from Legman. His very negative views on AC as a charlatan and cesspool of perversion piqued my youthful curiosity.

For me it was Playboy mag and any other dirty mag I could get my hands on...from age six forward...then Penthouse...then in my early teens I discovered Hustler magazine and really enjoyed the dark sick humour and F.U. attitude of Larry Flynt. He was at peak rebel in those days with endless trials for obscenity. He'd wear the US Flag as a diaper to court and so on. I thought he was a riot.

And naturally MAD magazine from an early age. My father was a good friend of Lord Buckley in the 50's so he turned me onto him, from there I discovered Lenny Bruce, then later Bill Hicks.

Never knew much about Crowley until more recently. I was always a big fan of Monty Python and Benny Hill because they were on TV in USA and also my chess buddies were big fans...but most of the jokes were too quick for me and the accents thick. But still fun to watch. I have a lot of British friends these days so these days i'm learning all their crikey slang.

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I don't think there has been any content here unsuitable for very young folks- we have discussed the existence of porn but the content has hardly "appealed to the prurient interest". My son knew what 4 Chan was by age 9 or 10, so really the horse is out of the barn anyway for any kid with an internet connection.

Agreed. PG-13 at worst. And if you want young males to be sure and read/watch something all you gotta do is say something like "parental advisory" or "explicit lyrics" or "don't click here" etc. Tipper Gore did a great service for Rock N Roll when she insisted that records include warning stickers.

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I checked out the soundtrack Michael that was good stuff.  There seems to be an undercurrent of humour in there.  I didn't expect this genre from you.  You have that reverby rockabilly type of guitar nailed and sometimes it all reminds me of  The John Spencer Blues Explosion.    "White trash girl" reminds me of Chris Isaak.   The moodiness of the title track reminds me of The Birthday Party maybe even Jim Morrison/The Doors.   I laughed out loud as the reggae track started.    "D.U.I."  should be on the annual country awards show I'd love to see that.    "Hail Micro" is probably my favourite track.

Thank you for the kind words. Yes humour was always the intent. Uranus was conjunct my Sun in Aquarius late 90s and it sparked a lot of creativity.

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Did you play all of the instruments?  

No. I had a lot of help. Music school taught me how to put things together and work with musicians and gave me experience in recording studios. I also had produced a few singles before doing this soundtrack. So I had some experience. I play guitar on one track and sing/narrate all the tracks but i'm really more of a writer. I went into the studio each night with three other musicians who played drums, bass, and guitar and also handled the knobs and recording. Rick Ballard did all the guitar work. Usually i'd come into the studio with lyrics, basic melody, and chords...maybe 50-75% of a finished song and we'd hash it out. Usually we did one song in a night start to finish. We worked fast and the guys had a lot of input. I wrote all the lyrics. Most of the tracks are LIVE in studio. With a few overdubs here and there. Hail Micro is a Frankenstein with many overdubs. It was written for a fantasy sequence in the film. Silly stuff. I wrote a lot of the tracks while writing the script for EVICTED. I was always a big Johnny Cash fan so I approached it as a story teller. The Doors like track "The Hitcher" was written to be Jim Morrison's return to rock n roll after coming out of hiding.  So it is supposed to sound like him. Another silly plotline in the movie. Lot of fun and lots of work. Later we recorded a bunch of noise tracks for background music for the film. A movie needs lots of music I found out. The movie is considered by most to be terrible. I do not disagree. But it was all a blast to do. Movie making is a collaborative effort and you make a lot of friends making movies. Then you lose a lot of friends when you go into porn. Ha!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEEV1MDe4wQ

That's the trailer. Pretty much sums up the movie in two minutes. Don't bother watching the 99 minute version. It's 97 minutes too long. But the full flick is on YouTube if you are curious. The song in the trailer is not ours we borrowed it.

Posted by: @ignant666

I haven't known anyone in the porn biz, which is mostly a west coast thing, but have known many sex workers, and dated a few (in their off-work hours). All had self-esteem issues, stemming from daddy issues, and manifest in heavy drinking, and heavy hard drug use. I would guess most women in porn are drawn from the same types of women that get involved in stripping, dominatrix work, and "escort" work (aka prostitution).

Porn movies are very much a West Coast thing but a lot of the early movies were produced in New York by mafia types using struggling actors.

Everyone in porn has self-esteem issues.


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11/01/2020 5:12 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

My son knew what 4 Chan was by age 9 or 10

I don't know the significance or identity or description of said 4 Chan, and I was once an adult.

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I'm surprised you seem to have suddenly changed your stance ...

Oh, c'mon. Please do not pretend to be "surprised" at the very obvious "changes in stance" that ypu have accused said changer of many times in the past.

I mean, somebody around here has to be flexible.

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habitual mercuriness, not really all that surprised!)

See? I just knew (gnosised)(gnotised?) that you were pretending.

 


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11/01/2020 6:04 pm  
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"Return of Phoenix Blues" myself, possibly because the riff put me in mind of something else - can't think of what, for the moment).

It came back to me.  "Walk Don't Run" by Johnny Smith, that's what it was.

By the way dom, "John" Spencer doesn't have an H in it (i.e., his name - Jon)

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See? I just knew (gnosised)(gnotised?) that you were pretending.

*Sigh!* You know me so well...

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12/01/2020 7:27 pm  

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Never knew much about Crowley until more recently. I was always a big fan of Monty Python and Benny Hill because they were on TV in USA

Benny Hill yes he was very popular.

No. I had a lot of help. Music school taught me how to put things together and work with musicians and gave me experience in recording studios. I also had produced a few singles before doing this soundtrack. So I had some experience. I play guitar on one track and sing/narrate all the tracks but i'm really more of a writer.

Ok,cool.

Movie making is a collaborative effort and you make a lot of friends making movies. Then you lose a lot of friends when you go into porn. Ha!

No way , I guess they weren't really friends?

 

Michael I have a computer chess programme and it has different levels.  Do you ever play machines?  I go through chess playing phases but I haven't played for  a while and am preoccupied with other things now. 

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I'm surprised you seem to have suddenly changed your stance from being previously critical to now apparently being elite's number one fanboy (or, I suppose, given your habitual mercuriness, not really all that surprised!)

 

My Moon sign is Gemini.  Maybe that explains it?

- does this mean you have now decided to believe his 'AC reincarnated' claim as well?

That was the other thread in which Michael and Shiva worked through explanations for a string of experiences and synchs.   It's open as is all scientific enquiry.   


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12/01/2020 10:59 pm  
Posted by: @dom

My Moon sign is Gemini.  Maybe that explains it?

It would depend on many other factors, I surmise.  House it was in?  Aspect to Mercury?  Not to mention nurture (v. nature).

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- does this mean you have now decided to believe his 'AC reincarnated' claim as well?

That was the other thread in which Michael and Shiva worked through explanations for a string of experiences and synchs.   It's open as is all scientific enquiry.   

Very diplomatic.  I should take that as a "maybe", then?!

So, you're not actually denying you've suddenly become a fanboy I take it... 🙂

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12/01/2020 11:28 pm  

I think @elitemachinery dealt with his initial round of hazing over being yet another AC reincarnation, and an obvious lunatic, quite well (and subsequent rounds on new anagrammatic proofs being posted).

He has thus been welcomed among the assorted unhinged, but erudite, crackpots and lunatics who populate this place.

I think david has become not so much a "fanboy" as jealous of Michael's' former working conditions.

As Michael has attempted to explain, work is work, and there's a reason they pay you to go there.

Even if you are fucking for a living, most likely you are the one getting fucked; this is sometimes known as "late capitalism". The solution is not a porn career but political organizing.


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12/01/2020 11:45 pm  

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He has thus been welcomed among the assorted unhinged, but erudite, crackpots and lunatics who populate this place.

Yeah because he's not adamant about attributing philosophical validity to any codes, patterns or synchs that he found. 


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13/01/2020 12:04 am  

Anyone like Diamanda Galas?   She claims to be an ex-prostitute.  


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13/01/2020 12:21 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

I think @elitemachinery dealt with his initial round of hazing over being yet another AC reincarnation, and an obvious lunatic, quite well (and subsequent rounds on new anagrammatic proofs being posted).

He has thus been welcomed among the assorted unhinged, but erudite, crackpots and lunatics who populate this place.

Agreed.

Posted by: @ignant666

I think david has become not so much a "fanboy" as jealous of Michael's' former working conditions.

Agreed!

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Anyone like Diamanda Galas?   She claims to be an ex-prostitute.  

Can't say I've had the pleasure (of ever making her acquaintance) ...

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Yeah because he's not adamant about attributing philosophical validity to any codes, patterns or synchs that he found. 

Not adamant but... definitely (still) "attributing ..." - unless I've missed any update to  the contrary, he has promised more validations and further "proof".

Can't wait! (with bated breath),

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13/01/2020 5:28 am  
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Michael I have a computer chess programme and it has different levels.  Do you ever play machines?

I have in the past. More recently the better machines have beaten the World Chess Champion. The hardest part about playing a machine is that you can't read what it's doing. The machine ultimately never sticks to a plan. It evaluates each position as an entirely new game. The best way to play machines is be a bit unorthodox.

The software and programs have vastly improved in the last 20 years. A lot of it is available online. Check out chessbase.com they have some of the best. They have a Chess program called Fritz and I think you can play against it for free online. I would like to dedicate a computer to chess in the near future and set it up with the best and latest software. As long as I don't spend too much time with it.

Chess is fun and good for the brain and good for a young man's confidence. I traveled to Iceland in 1980 at age 15 as board #3 on the American Chess Team. We went to the Icelandic White House and met the female President of Iceland. She was a beautiful blond of course and a very nice woman. A few of my friends on the team were inner city blacks from Philly who were very good players and were part of a program that teaches inner city kids chess. It did make a difference in their self esteem and in their futures and opportunities. But chess can also be addictive and time wasting like video games.

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My Moon sign is Gemini.  Maybe that explains it?

Moon in Gemini is the most curious of the moon signs. Ruled by the planet Mercury.

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That was the other thread in which Michael and Shiva worked through explanations for a string of experiences and synchs.   It's open as is all scientific enquiry. 

The most I could ask for at this point.

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I think @elitemachinery dealt with his initial round of hazing over being yet another AC reincarnation, and an obvious lunatic, quite well (and subsequent rounds on new anagrammatic proofs being posted).

He has thus been welcomed among the assorted unhinged, but erudite, crackpots and lunatics who populate this place.

Thanks Ignant..er McMurphy..

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I think david has become not so much a "fanboy" as jealous of Michael's' former working conditions.

As Michael has attempted to explain, work is work, and there's a reason they pay you to go there.

Even if you are fucking for a living, most likely you are the one getting fucked; this is sometimes known as "late capitalism". The solution is not a porn career but political organizing.

Everyone in porn gets fucked. Including the producers getting screwed by copyright pirates and Tube sites. My favorite response to anyone complaining about anything in the pron biz was always:

"This is the porn business, what part of you're gonna get fucked don't you understand?"

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Not adamant but... definitely (still) "attributing ..." - unless I've missed any update to  the contrary, he has promised more validations and further "proof".

Can't wait! (with bated breath),

Slowly. But 2020 should bring some clarity. I am reminded of the 1st line of the I Ching Hexagram 28 which talk about placing something rather heavy down on the ground carefully:

To spread white rushes underneath. No blame.

Confucius says about this: To place the things on the ground might be considered sufficient; but when one places mats of the white grass beneath them, what occasion for blame can there be? Such a course shows the height of carefulness.


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13/01/2020 5:48 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

He has thus been welcomed among the assorted unhinged, but erudite, crackpots and lunatics who populate this place.

We all read The Book of Lies. It's all in there.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

(with bated breath),

Not "Bated," Jamie. "Baited."

 


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13/01/2020 11:30 am  

@dom
“ My Moon sign is Gemini. Maybe that explains it ? “
well then be careful; not to bang into your selves as the vacillation between attributing subsistence in generating thought and stilling thought; trips thou and you into the space of imputing a predestined past or a parentage in the stars as an end.


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13/01/2020 2:01 pm  
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Not "Bated," Jamie. "Baited."

Q.V., from "Quick and Dirty Tips":

That set phrase, "with bated breath," is the only place you’ll hear the word "bated" used these days. Since "bated" is such an archaic word, and most people aren’t used to seeing it, it’s common to see the phrase incorrectly written as "with baited breath.” B-A-I-T-E-D, like baiting a hook in fishing.

There’s an odd logic to the "baited" misunderstanding—you can bait a hook to catch a fish, and people eagerly waiting for something could be tempted to put out metaphorical bait, but why would it be their breath? It wouldn’t. Nobody would rush toward fishy breath. “Baited breath” spelled that way—like fish bait—is wrong.

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13/01/2020 6:21 pm  
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Baited breath” spelled that way—like fish bait—is wrong.

Fair enough. But if anyone is waiting (or holding their breath in pranayama) for some promised land in the future, they've taken the bait.


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14/01/2020 6:14 am  
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Fair enough. But if anyone is waiting (or holding their breath in pranayama) for some promised land in the future, they've taken the bait.

"Well, I hope we're not too messianic, or a trifle too satanic" - Rolling Stones

Hmm, I may be guilty of baiting. But there is no promised land I promise.

On March 24th of this year Saturn moves into Aquarius conjunct my Sun in Aquarius. This will be a time of work and completion.

I'm going as fast as I can. I've had a lot of work to do in practical matters. Building an art/work space and paying off debts. Getting healthy. My patience is continually rewarded with new insights as I interact on these forums.

And being that AC is still very misunderstood and slandered by the general public I hope anyone can understand my being careful.

At this point I am approaching the project as a sort of art and science project. My being an actor I consider this a role and nothing more. The riddle has been revealing itself to me slowly over time and teaching me. I've never seen anything like it before and I don't think anyone else has either.

It's important to me that this information has a way to manifest and express itself in the physical world in a way other than me being a madman with a notebook full of anagrams. Hence, ART & SCIENCE project.

For my personal safety I share past work and projects (EVICTED film & soundtrack) so that people can see I am a real human being and get to know my sense of humor and reputation.

The loose plan is to do a close and scientific analysis this spring about the time Saturn hits Aquarius. At the same time I may start producing art or t-shirts or interesting art videos or something that allows this information a safe outlet in the real world.

Remember I am an actor (hacktor) and filmmaker and artist of sorts. If this project becomes a problem in the real world I will be reminding people of this fact, and swear to God it's all a practical joke and that I made it all up!

When in fact I suspect the opposite is true. It made me up. 🙂

But if done right and done carefully with good intent I think the project can succeed and if nothing else it can be an interesting expression of my interest in Aleister Crowley.

This project: "Aleister In Wonderland" is to me very visual. So I intend to express it in this fashion in some way or form.

It is my belief that a visual expression will make the information more palpable, and perhaps even profitable.

Profit of a new age!

Commerce can possibly be a form of protection. I'd rather be seen as an opportunist than an unhinged madman.

But we shall see. I can only do so much in a day.

Is that enough bait?


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14/01/2020 3:46 pm  
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I'm going as fast as I can.

In your case, especially since you're a Solar Aquarius, a dispensation (or is it an Indulgence?) can be made/obtained ... considering you're not previewing the Promised Land.

You can see the point (about Bait)? There's a long line of people lined up, each bearing a placard saying, "Soon to come." That would be (c)OTO, RTC, and a string of Qabalists ... including myself. I promise that I will do something in the very near future but, like yourself, it's not a Land, and it's not a syphon-cipher-code-puzzle-riddle-crossword.

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The loose plan is to do a close and scientific analysis this spring about the time Saturn hits Aquarius. At the same time I may start producing art or t-shirts or interesting art videos or something that allows this information a safe outlet in the real world.

Saturnus Externi, Sol Interni. Oh, Lord. I see you are also considering something.

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If this project becomes a problem in the real world I will be reminding people of this fact, and swear to God it's all a practical joke and that I made it all up!

That's okay. We all make it all up. Some people plagarize Crowley, who made it all up, and pretend that they made it all up, while others make it all up themselves. And then there's those who make it all up, but attribute the making to some praeterhuman. None of this matters - either the plane will fly and serve a practical purpose (like delivering the mail), or it will crash and people will say, "Oh, he made it all up."

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It made me up. 🙂

Are you saying that there is someone/something, other than you, involved?

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Is that enough bait?

Sure. I get it now. You're not really "baiting," you're just thinking/seeing out loud.

 


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14/01/2020 5:19 pm  

That's okay. We all make it all up. Some people plagarize Crowley, who made it all up, and pretend that they made it all up, while others make it all up themselves. And then there's those who make it all up, but attribute the making to some praeterhuman. None of this matters - either the plane will fly and serve a practical purpose (like delivering the mail), or it will crash and people will say, "Oh, he made it all up."
Nice !

I thought Crowley was from a long line of Hermetic, Gnostic, Orphic, Borborites, which partook in the mysteries of Eleutherios.

And later went on to champion the induction of wisdom over plugging the reanimation of a zombie.

But even before that; to the Mount of the Curse where Azazel descended and taught how to draw down the essence of the stars and the planets into objects and substances entering the waters of the heavenly bodies to create a tincture.

Be wise as serpents, pursue all, and all is permitted know thy selves.

Of course he could have made it up or i could be;
perhaps opening a window which used to be a star.


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to champion the induction of wisdom over plugging the reanimation of a zombie.

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15/01/2020 4:57 am  
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You can see the point (about Bait)? There's a long line of people lined up, each bearing a placard saying, "Soon to come." That would be (c)OTO, RTC, and a string of Qabalists ... including myself. I promise that I will do something in the very near future but, like yourself, it's not a Land, and it's not a syphon-cipher-code-puzzle-riddle-crossword.

Okay I understand your point. I was noticing a hint of sarcasm or apathy. I do have a history of following through on multi-year projects. When I was writing the script for EVICTED people were murmuring that i'd never finish that thing. Then in post production that id never finish editing and so on. It took 3 1/2 years to finish, and another 3 1/2 years later the movie was in thousands of video stores nationwide. It took a long time. But in hindsight the years fly by even faster these days.

I've never written a book. So there is a learning curve. In this case I think the appropriate outlet is a free pdf that transforms over time into a graphic novel of sorts. Nothing too ambitious. Lot of pictures/images and brief succinct text.

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Saturnus Externi, Sol Interni. Oh, Lord. I see you are also considering something.

LOL. I'm in no hurry, but I do come up with some silly ideas from time to time.

 

Thelema (Noun) - A religion for assholes.

Would you wear a t-shirt like this? I would. But that's just my sense of humor I guess.

 

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That's okay. We all make it all up. Some people plagarize Crowley, who made it all up, and pretend that they made it all up, while others make it all up themselves. And then there's those who make it all up, but attribute the making to some praeterhuman. None of this matters - either the plane will fly and serve a practical purpose (like delivering the mail), or it will crash and people will say, "Oh, he made it all up."

Right.

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Are you saying that there is someone/something, other than you, involved?

No. Just that the archetypal level precedes this everyday ego level of reality.

The ego likes to take credit for everything. But in fact it is made up by the archetypes.

I stole that from my mentor Edwin Steinbrecher. He initiated thousands of people into his meditation system (The Inner Guide Meditation) which introduces people to their HGA. After meeting the HGA in meditation (while Edwin took notes guiding them) he would ask them to bring forth various constructs from their horoscope inside the meditation. For example the solar construct could be Sun conjunct Mercury in Capricorn. So the initiate would ask for the Sun, the Magician, and The Devil. The student would then ask these archetypes to dissolve into one figure (solar construct) and interact with it asking it questions and receiving magical tools and talismans.

After initiating thousands a very common thing the initiate would say is,

"I feel like i'm making it all up."

To which Edwin would reply,

"That's okay, it's actually making you up."

I sat in hundreds of lectures by Edwin every week for over a decade. He said this often.

In my case it doesn't feel like I'm making it up. It feels like a discovery process. A teaching process where I am learning about and discovering something that is already there.

I can be clever at times. But this riddle is about 10 levels or more above anything I am capable of inventing. I may be smart enough to unravel things, slowly. Given a key. But I can't take ego credit for this stuff. It's beyond me.

It feels at times that i've tapped into a living force of magick and/or nature. Like a Magick Rubik's cube that can answer questions and teach me. For example, I have at times sought answers (to questions I have) in the anagrams. But more about that later.

 

 

 


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15/01/2020 5:42 am  
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The ego likes to take credit for everything. But in fact it is made up by the archetypes.

I stole that from my mentor Edwin Steinbrecher.

Well, he was right. So you did well to stole it.

 


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15/01/2020 10:33 pm  

@elitemachinery

 

Michael on this journey of anagrams and synchs what about recurring numbers?  Are there any numbers that kept cropping up?  If so which ones? 


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16/01/2020 6:50 am  
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Michael on this journey of anagrams and synchs what about recurring numbers?  Are there any numbers that kept cropping up?  If so which ones? 

Lot's of 6's and also the number 24 which resolves to 6. The number 66 which resolves to 3. 636 which resolves to 6. And 666 which resolves to 9.

Below is a partial analysis of the top portion of my B.C. that I did ages ago using photoshop. I lost the original file so I will have to do again. I used different colors to differentiate things that belong together.

It looks like the scribbles of a madman but everything there actually means something if you take the time to look closely. Again I think you can see why I might approach this as an art project. It has an interesting visual element and is often best explained visually.

It seems to be developing into a personal Qabalah. I think Shiva recently said that Crowley taught that we must build our own Qabalah. I'm not 100% sure what that means. According to @Shiva MT=49 but i'm not sure what system he is using. I am not an expert at this stage. I am just using the most basic laymen version of numerology and adding things as they reveal themselves to me.

M I C H A E L
4 9 3 8 1 5 3
=33
=6

T I E R N E Y
2 9 5 9 5 5 7
=42
=6

E L I T E
5 3 9 2 5
=24
=6

M A C H I N E R Y
4 1 3 8 9 5 5 9 7
=51
=6

M I C H A E L
4 9 3 8 1 5 3
=33
=6

SEAN
1515
6 6
=12
=3

T I E R N E Y
2 9 5 9 5 5 7
=42
=6

Both Michael Tierney and/or its anagram Elite Machinery equal 6 6

Michael Sean = 6  6 6 = 6 3 (the 3 is a 6 6/12/3)

Michael Sean Tierney = 6 3 6 = 6  '6 6'  6 =  Six Threescore & Six - the middle 3 being a 6 6/12/3

MT=4+2=6

and so on.

I haven't run into the number 418. But as I said i'm not an expert. 93 popped up once on the B.C.

Apparently Nikola Tesla found significance in the numbers 3 6 9

 


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16/01/2020 7:57 am  

Thanks Michael.    If you're interested in Qabalah and numbers then maybe do some research on  Hebrew Gematria. 


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16/01/2020 9:49 pm  
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If you're interested in Qabalah and numbers then maybe do some research on Hebrew Gematria.

Now there's an idea!  What a really invaluable suggestion... superb...

N Joy


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