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22/07/2019 1:46 pm  

@christiLibrany You mentioned directed energy weapons, do you want to tie that into the LAM/alien topic?
@shiva No. That’s a side issue.

Directed energy weapons as such were not readily available Crowley time except I would say harnessed to a point by the powers due to the powers being in power. AKA secret societies of Magick alchemists

Today even gooborg tells a different story. Many are utilized and more being discovered day by day..

Other than stories on google, I have heard of people sitting in rooms where they feel as if they are being pinpointed by "energy" to the point of passing out and so they step out side to nature and it stops. This wasn't being in a stale room or overpowering electrical room either from what I heard them say.

Looking at this in a macrocosm microcosm perspective, the possibilities are endless for control and mind control.

What energy weapons do you know of that has been used or is used today to control or power. ???

How would you say Magick is being used with this?

Does astrology have any impact and why?


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30/07/2019 6:51 pm  

@mayet Great questions.

RE energy being harnessed by magick alchemists, Franz Bardon has some nice stories about how a 'black lodge' (maybe the Fraternitas Saturni?) used a weapon against him and other enemy magicians. It was a device that harnessed their group energy and directed it, perhaps causing heart attacks etc. This was in his book 'Frabato' (recommended).

RE what energy weapons do we/I know of that has (sic) been used to control (people): This fascinating story was in the news fairly recently, they are currently doing the ol' damage control by directing the plebs towards 'auditory' weapons when in fact this was most likely microwave and higher in frequency: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/01/science/sonic-attack-cuba-microwave.html

Nnow they are saying this: https://www.livescience.com/66002-brain-changes-cuban-embassy-attacks.html

From microwave to 'sonic'

I would hazard a guess that certain mind-states brought about by ritual and or meditation can direct forces/energy via magick in a somewhat similar way to what technology can do.

I believe astrology per say would not have an effect so much as actual solar/stellar influences in regards to various types and levels or radiation and electromagnetic flux at certain times. Solar flares affect our electrical grid for example.


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30/07/2019 7:56 pm  

m: What energy weapons do you know of that has been used or is used today to control or power. ???

Sonic weapons are used on the "other side's" embassies, and heaven knows where else. 5G is said to be dangerous, and even though I have a rich background in radio transmission, it is dated, because 800 MHz was the "top end" of the usable frequencies available back in the 60s. Military-Industrial transmitters are keyed to various human disorder frequencies (skin itching/inflammation, nausea, disordered thinking, loose bowels, you name it): this stuff was used in the Gulf war, and some people think we're being hit by it today.

How would you say Magick is being used with this?

"Every act is a magickal act." If it's meant to control the masses, it's action by the dark (material) forces. If it's the dark, military-industrial-banking complex, then the dark side of ritual magic is said to be at its core.

Does astrology have any impact and why?

Astrology can be applied or ignored according to your interest(s). Another thing to watch is the Earth's frequency, at
https://www.disclosurenews.it/en/schumann-resonance-today-update/

The Official .gov Space Weather can be tracked at
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/communities/space-weather-enthusiasts

Unusual phenomena alerts (geomagnetic storms, solar plasma winds, etc) can be caught at
https://www.spaceweatherlive.com/en/news

Dangerous and demonic frequencies within one's home can be detected by a decent multi-band frequency detector ... about $108 over at eBay. The most dangerous item in our home is the microwave oven.

To measure the 5G stuff, one would need a more sophisticated (and expensive) receiver (as compared to the handheld eBay doo-dad).

We're getting hit from the exterior by humans and space itself. There are a few protective remedies (magical instrument for the New World Order.

Is there a scientifically-generated frequency above 220MHz?
I'm a'gin it!
Oh, Frater Shiva, how unworthy are your sentiments.
D'ya wan a zap of current?

cs: a ‘black lodge’ ... used a weapon against him and other enemy magicians.

This is the same old crap that Shamanic Sorcerers are always doing to their rivals. It's all Outer Order shenanigans upted now to the "New Age," where physics is magick, et reversum.


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30/07/2019 8:44 pm  

Shiva et al: NB that

1) sound Hz have nothing whatever to do with radio Hz except digits, and that

2) sonic effects sufficient to mess with objects larger than a teacup or wineglass require almost unimaginable levels of power, and amps and transducers/"speakers" far beyond anything civilian audio tech knows anything about, able to handle that power and not blow up before the target wall/distant human ear/whatever does.

Remember the inverse square law, and the implications for "action at a distance" employing sound.

The Cuban embassy stuff is intriguing and real, but almost certainly not the result of some sort of "sound weapon".

The late lamented Sister Alrah claimed her uncle blew up walls with loudspeakers in the British Army. I considered her claim about her uncle to be a totally loony, and certainly false, claim, and have the same opinion of this idea of "sonic weapons".

i have owned a lot of powerful PAs, and have enjoyed torturing my NYC loft neighbors who liked to stay up late doing ecstasy and playing ping-pong with early-morning Xian broadcasting, with the volume on 11 (while i went out to brunch with the dog and wife), but that is the extent of sonic weapons i'll believe in.

Also there was a restaurant across the way from my current house that had a cover band playing like Eagles covers on their terrace every weekend, until i realized my 150 watt guitar amp on my front porch, connected to the laptop and playing Crass songs, and the intro to "Iron Man" (and only the intro) by Sabbath OVER AND OVER AND OVER REALLY FUCKING LOUD, WAY LOUDER THAN THE BAND, worked better than calling the cops. I realized i could see the cops coming from way further up the road than they could, and turn down my music before The Man got there, just like they had been.

They broke first, and got a new manager soon after, for some reason.

The cops told me that the restaurant people said that "that old punk rock asshole with the flags" was drowning out their band, and upsetting their customers, but that they (the cops) never observed me doing so, and to please be considerate of my neighbors with the giant amp on my porch. Since most of the other neighbors were on the street or on their porches laughing their asses off at the time, i felt i was on secure ground.


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30/07/2019 9:50 pm  

@Ignant666 ..next on Noise Wars an unsuspecting restauranteur is about to get the shock of his life...

RE microwave and higher (UHF etc) frequency weapons, there is a lot of evidence for those, but yes I agree not much evidence for weapons in the sonic range unless you want to include good old fashioned Psyop propaganda broadcasts.
See: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14250-microwave-ray-gun-controls-crowds-with-noise/

V2K or voice to skull technology ('a voice in your head/voice of god') has already been implemented in the civilian range by ad companies, and this way back in 2007

See: https://adage.com/article/news/hear-voices-ad/122491
'An A&E Billboard 'Whispers' a Spooky Message Audible Only in Your Head in Push to Promote Its New 'Paranormal' Program'
I notice there is no explanation of the technology but I remember reading a patent in how it is in the microwave freq. range.

Again, these are all in the public domain so I am sure we have microwave and higher frequency weapons/technology for both broadcasting 'silent' sound as well as even controlling behaviour.


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30/07/2019 10:07 pm  

Whatever happened to Alrah?


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30/07/2019 10:34 pm  

Paul banned her, as i recall, for being a transphobic loony.

But she was so many separate and distinct kinds of loony i'm not sure why she got banned that last time. And vitriolic and hateful with it.

That one was at least like the third or fourth time she got banned, as Paul tolerated her each time it became clear that new poster "X" was the same crazy woman he had ban-hammered so many times before.

Until, once again, she proved intolerable, even to the praeternaturally tolerant Paul (blessings be upon him, and may rose-petals be strewn in his path, and pints handed to him upon entry to all places whatever!)

That is why some at first thought mayet/Pegasus was the new Alrah persona, being a slightly less-than-entirely-hinged woman who might be hiding her Britishness by claiming to be Ozzie.

But i think we all are convinced mayet is a much-less-crazy-than-Alrah (not that this is a very high bar), real Australian woman by now. And certainly more interesting and less annoying.

And we love you, mayet, BTW. The Thoth card overlays are new, original, and real.


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30/07/2019 10:46 pm  

So many loonies 🙂 I am a harmless one.

Or rather, the real loonies don't think that they are loony.

I like the Ta Hooty overlays too.


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30/07/2019 11:02 pm  

Talking of loonies, don't you think that this and the accompanying LAM/alien thread from which it sprang appear to be gradually morphing into what the long lost Los of sainted memory would probably skeptically label a veritable cornucopia of super-natural nutso ooky-kookiness --- or even worse?

All this, and Finnegans Wake too!

Cup running over,
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30/07/2019 11:22 pm  

"Morphing into"?

Also, i think the exact, and even more applicable, phrase from our late lamented brother The Phallus Of A Goat And The Hand Of A Hanged Man Simultaneously, the S.'. H.'. Fra. Loss, 8=3 (PBUH), is "ookey-spookey spacemen and goblins stuff".

Fra. Los, 8=3, annoying Phallus Of A Goat though he was, had his uses, and i say this as late Brevet Brigadier General of the "Grand Army of Gullible Thelema", who defeated the traitor "Skeptical Thelema Army" in the late conflict.

Like the Confederates driven off to Brazil to keep slaves for a few more years, our Departed Master has moved to the greener and more idiot-tolerant pastures of reddit/Thelema, where they also hate and revile him, and think he is an idiot (even kids like that can see through his "8=3" claims?!?).

"Quelle surprise! Quelle coincidence!", as Ionesco's two main characters put it in La cantatrice chauve, after meeting by chance on a train and discovering, to their great mutual astonishment, that they had been married to each other for many years, and slept in the same bed every night.


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30/07/2019 11:35 pm  

Added: Note that thread instigator or at least major abettor Fra. Shiva is both at least 8=3, and also completely nuts.

This a common combination, which might give one to think, or stop doing that, if one were really smart.

Also for a tall, skinny, frail 79 year old man he is remarkably hard to hit (only slap-boxing among friends, kids, with no mal intent, no need to get upset).

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire [or else sent to reddit/Thelema- ignant note].
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. [Matthew 7:16-20]


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30/07/2019 11:51 pm  

Hey! RE the tech. aspect I provided hard actual evidence of already-occurred practical application! So that's not ooky spooky, just because the 'spooks' use it.

@Ignant666 I don't use reddit but where is Los in it, innit?

Fruitbat Kommando over and out.


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31/07/2019 12:01 am  

On reddit, he is "Los", with 8=3 appended to all posts. At least the brother is not hiding.

Be sure to search out the post where S.'. H.'. Fra. Los, 8=3, makes his ridiculous claim to have a real-world "terrestrial" PhD, after a poster mockingly says he has a "PhD" from the "Invisible College".

This "Invisible College" "PhD" was based, just like Fra. Los' equally-"Invisible College" "8=3", on self-recognition, with zero exams, zero study, and zero writing or actual work, unlike those phony academic PhDs from terrestrial universities, and those phony A.'. A.'. 8=3s recognized by people they have actually met in "real life" (such as it is).

S.'. H.'. Fra. Los' efforts to dig his way out of what the kids used to call getting "t0t@lly pwned" are as amusing as a bug stuck with a pin is to an 8 year old boy.


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02/08/2019 11:04 am  

@ignant666 But i think we all are convinced mayet is a much-less-crazy-than-Alrah (not that this is a very high bar), real Australian woman by now. And certainly more interesting and less annoying.

And we love you, mayet, BTW. The Thoth card overlays are new, original, and real.

I don't know whether you realize how much this means to me. How much you all mean to me..
I don't mean for validation, I can Vis sect myself and know if my work is of value and therefore of validation.

Thank you.. I appreciate your words It DOES mean so much to me as respect between beings and in "groups" especially here

I got the message to wake up on June 2 last year. (awesome astrology chart for that day).. I have been on the net since the 90's and other than a short stint early in the millennium which soon got slapped down, I haven't looked AGAIN at the spiritual side of life's questions. Anyway, Im not bitter, for every bit of suppression I suffered, I learned so much in other areas that I wouldn't of, had I been free to follow the esoteric path earlier... THEREFORE it is how it is BECAUSE

when I woke up I soon realized how amazing the net was for Crowley's work. All of a sudden, I suddenly saw it everywhere, the groups, websites, records, works.....no more wasted trips to the library .... I didn't want to be everywhere, active all over with many..I wanted to do this the ways of ME... I really wanted This here... what I consider the masters to work with and communicate with.

master1 /ˈmɑːstə/ (* A Mast *steady, rising, central, balance,)
noun 1. in charge of an organization or group.
adjective 1. having or showing very great skill or proficiency. 2. principal. - synonyms: principal, main, chief, leading, prime, predominant, foremost, great, grand, most important, biggest verb 1.acquire complete knowledge or skill in (a subject, technique, or art).
synonyms: learn, learn thoroughly, become proficient in, know inside out, know backwards, become expert in, acquire, pick up, grasp, understand More 2.overcome. "I managed to master my fears" synonyms: overcome, get the better of, get a grip on, get over, gain mastery over; "I managed to master my fears"

not sure on what date I originally joined this forum it was around then, The universe kept sending me here. From people whining on facebook groups about Lashtal with their butthurt to gooborg whiners, every time I looked for an answer or researched something Lashtal beamed at me.
So I after looking around, I chose the best house with the best view in my book and I have plonked myself here, set up my comfy chair near the window where i can see everything everywhere and although I can be a ghostly spirit in the corner I am also a loud McLeod in the middle.

When I say masters, I mean it in the above ways. For just as I am a "baby" newly finding feet, I am also an old "Crone" with unique knowledge to share discuss feedback... so I'll cook you a great meal but you can wash your own clothes, Im likely to forget about them for a week while I am chasing rainbows or you may find them bleached on their return and that would be after you have reminded me a few times.....

I am who I am. That, I never pretend... it's an awesome ponderance actually..... the sum of the whole...the being that is me and how different that being is to others and why... my mind never gets bored, there is always an aspect of "because" to chase down and examine with my little computerized microscope.. it's usb.. I'm not .. that IS a connection and that's a whole new "be-cause" to chase down..

It has been a roller coaster 12 months however I can say this .......... in the many times per day, every day where i question/ed my sanity, not once have I ever questioned my sanity....The one person I do trust is me, hence I haven't gone jumping abysses, not because Im not up to it because I'm having a phat time learning what I am learning and opening these new packages of growth.. looking around, seeing who is who is the zoo and what the really real is...There will be no killing of Cain... no rush... I'll know when it's time..

I am crazy because..... and thanks goes to Thelema and Aleister for the reason..... which is .. because I can be....and I can be me. no glass ceiling, no instruction books to say how it's done, no degrees...Just the me I AM.. lol.. I've been working with LAM for days and dr suess keeps coming to mind... and I am Lam I am I am...

saying that I think LAM is that .. the HGA, Crowleys ultimate Crowley and as I have seen in my work, an entrance to the universe already in, as such.. as I showed in my 33 degrees of water -
the layers of Thoth "Just ice/water/steam" LAM puts the doorway there.. and the doorway is you/the self. to put that doorway there, each being needs a spark to ignite. I guess that's where my work comes in.. not just for me, hopefully for others following the wily paths....

Be sure to search out the post where S.’. H.’. Fra. Los, 8=3, makes his ridiculous claim to have a real-world “terrestrial” PhD, after a poster mockingly says he has a “PhD” from the “Invisible College”.

This “Invisible College” “PhD” was based, just like Fra. Los’ equally-“Invisible College” “8=3”, on self-recognition, with zero exams, zero study, and zero writing or actual work, unlike those phony academic PhDs from terrestrial universities, and those phony A.’. A.’. 8=3s recognized by people they have actually met in “real life” (such as it is).

the decoded 33 degrees of water, fire, earth and air... makes 231 of which 132 zodiac 99 planet FIELD... with the visual Layers of Thoth and the written Mayet System which is a double, the left and the right, the backwards to forward and the forward to backwards, the yin and the yang and the balance .... makes it 462 ..
hmm that's interesting 462-44 is 418..... ..... the 418 is the point where gravity or attraction .. tips the balance ..
the spin begins and and and like a flower

however I never have classified it as "work" ... work denotes shit i don't want to do .... this fixing non working stuff... just like Pi is non working and loses... the square in the circle failed.. its a tau thing...

(3 or so hours later)

like this and there is so much more opening.. earth/air play with 11's

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Degrees from A ∴ A ∴ denote having to join something, pay fees, be uniform, go to meetings.. obey.. controlled ....already.... nah thanks...that would be being something I"M not... This here now is my world my terms my word on that ... *dances .. ok back to yoga now my brainbeing has finished all that

and as my SIL (son in law) just said when he walked in "blessings be to thee this day" ...
all that bugger wanted was just a cigarette lol

backwards and forwards

I might go check los out lol.


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02/08/2019 4:46 pm  

@Mayet

you said 'Degrees from A ∴ A ∴ denote having to join something, pay fees, be uniform, go to meetings.. obey.. controlled ….already…. nah thanks…that '

ACTUALLY, the reason that AC founded the above group was because he too was against the things you mention.
The above group has no fees, and there are no meetings or group work.
All there is, is personal work, then one 'superior' above you who tests you in what you have learnt, so you can advance grades. That's it!
That's the beauty of it, no in-fighting or politics. Generally speaking.


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02/08/2019 7:45 pm  

Ig: 1) sound Hz have nothing whatever to do with radio Hz except digits, and that 2) sonic effects sufficient to mess with objects larger than a teacup or wineglass require almost unimaginable levels of power ...

Yes, we established this difference back in some other thread where the Schnauzer Residence, um no, the Schumann Resonance was under disruption, no, discussion.

The "sonic" attacks upon embassies and similar hangouts was described in the Daily News as "sonic." Well, you are correct, it wasn't (isn't) "sonic," because people didn't report hearing anything. The reported headaches, nausea, etc, which are symptoms of distress, but not "sound," are more likely "ultrasonic," which means a frequency above sound. I use an ultrasonic cleaner in my laboratory; one can hear a high-pitched squeal (not very loud), but that's sound (sonic), not the "ultrasound" that cleaning the parts in the water or solvent. If one dips their finger in the liquid, or even grasps the machine, a somewhat unconfortable buuuuuzzzzz can be felt.

Ultrasound is also used in medical machines for injuries. A doc once told me, "It breaks the damaged tissue down to the vascular level." That means it destroys damaged tissue, but leaves the blood vessels intact.

So "sonic" bombardment is not what's happening. I'd guess ultrasound, but without evidence or support from the Daily news. References to 5G are purely radio frequencies. The "sonic" sentence (in my post) was separated from the 5G sentence by a period. (Two different things going on).

Ig: i felt i was on secure ground.

Do that and none shall say nay. (Neigh?).

cs: So many loonies 🙂 I am a harmless one.

The keyword/quality for getting along on the Path is harmlessness (so says Alice Bailey).

cs: Or rather, the real loonies don’t think that they are loony.

This is the basic distinction between sane an insane. If a person says/thinks, "I am going crazy," they are rational because the recognize what's happening. If they say/think, "I am fine; there's nothing wrong with me,," they are in trouble.

Ig: Fra. Los, 8=3, annoying Phallus Of A Goat though he was, had his uses ...

The greatest "use" was to provide intense irritation, thus allowing his opponents the opportunity to remain unattached to his style, demeanor, and specific negations of their "loony" tunes.

Ig: Added: Note that thread instigator or at least major abettor Fra. Shiva is both at least 8=3, and also completely nuts.

Why, thank you ... for one or the other. I'm not sure which one. Maybe none, maybe both. On a day to day basis, I remain completely functional. So the word completely is not warranted. It's only when stuff like we're discussing on this thread comes up, and I express certain alienated opinions, that the nuts part arrives. So, generally, I keep that/this stuff under the tabl ... but not out of my books and videos. Here, let me cite the core concept (from The Throne Speech) of my endeavors:

Lest there be alarm or confusion, we are not talking of the landing of an army of "E.T.s" or space craft from the Pleiades.

The truth is more subtle and fulfilling.

The Galactic Federation of Light Forces, are the Theochristic Spirit of planet Earth, now manifest.

We are complex inter-dimensional beings who have consciously chosen the human form in order to bring about the Cosmic Changeover from within.

Ig: This a common combination, which might give one to think, or stop doing that, if one were really smart.

I guess that about sums it up.

Ig: Also for a tall, skinny, frail 79 year old man he is remarkably hard to hit (only slap-boxing among friends, kids, with no mal intent, no need to get upset).

Oh, you're taking about that wimpy Tai Chi. That light-duty, no-damage-to-the-attacker stuff. The fun (and the time to get upset) is when the Shotokan Karate comes into play. It's practical objective it to kill or disable an opponent with a single bow. Says so in Chapter III of AL.

m: Thank you.. I appreciate your words It DOES mean so much to me as respect between beings and in “groups” especially here

One can readit at reddit (I don't), or bruhawh at Heruraha (I don't any more), or be a scribe at Tribe (Iwent there once to look around), but the cleanest Thelemic site is right here at LAShTAL. Nobody hangs in here for long unless they are a complex inter-dimensional being who has consciously chosen the human form. You see, if our choice was "consciously chosen," this implies that the human form can recognize the "complex inter-dimensional being." Equilibrating that sort of thing is a real, royal stunt. And expressing such concepts will either piss people off, cause them to pity your insanity, or drive them away.

Th trick of the stunt is to eradicate the sense of our so-important self, and to temper the rhetoric. It's the 10% rule. Give 'em 10% of what you really want to, and if they respond with a genuine interest, them give 'em another 10%. Dumping all the eggs in one's basket, simultaneosly, will surely lead to disorder. Oh yeah, there's the less-than 1% of folks who intuitively lock-in. They can take 100%, because they are conscious, complex inter-dimensional beings.

The universe kept sending me here.

This is caled The Attractive Principle. Most folks know it as "Birds of a feather, flocking together."

m: From people whining on facebook groups about Lashtal with their butthurt to gooborg whiners, every time I looked for an answer or researched something Lashtal beamed at me.

LAShTAL is The Akashic Records Incarnate. Any infighting, back-stabbing, or cultural, political, or personal clashes are just temporary dualities superimposed over complex, galactic, interdimensional predispositions. "Pre" means before human clod temperament.

m: Degrees from A ∴ A ∴ denote having to join something, pay fees, be uniform, go to meetings.. obey.. controlled ….already…. nah thanks

Oh, this is only if one goes to join an Outer Order. My Outer Order stuff was Solar Lodge. We had robes, dues, obedience, and (as you note) conformity. All Outer Order are like this.

But the A.'.A.'. is not like that. There are no dues and there is no oath of obedience. There are robes and a curriculum. It's like a Free University, Inc. It's called "basic training" in the military sector.

A.'.A.'. was simply AC's designated "copyright notoce" on the un-namable Spectrum of Consciousness (possibly/probably borrowed from the Golden Dawn terminology).

You have described yourself enough to demonstate that you are what is known as a "Free Spirit." You'll take your high-rides and lumps as they come, without reference to established systems. Many people are climbing up that Spectrum with being a joiner. However, interest in Crowley is a form of joining on the mental plane. The keyword is NOT OTO, or A.'.A.'., but Thelema.

There is a spectrum running from follower to self-contained to not-being anything. Along the way, we have the most incredible, interesting adventures. Adi-da called this our "spiritual garbage."

Excuse me now, please. I have to take the trash out.


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02/08/2019 8:34 pm  

Shiva: On a day to day basis, I remain completely functional. So the word completely [modifying "nuts"] is not warranted.

True. Admittedly a bit of hyperbole there.

How about "more nuts than me, a person widely regarded as somewhat nuts by those who know me"? A reputation for smoking more cannabis than Bob Marley and Willie Nelson combined all day long (while being the second most productive in my department in papers published, and undisputed champ in grants gotten), reading Crowley, and having Qablaistic diagrams, tarot cards, and a stuffed deer head with enormous antlers in one's university office will lead scientists and academics to all sorts of conclusions about a person.

As Einstein said to his second cousin on the faster-than-light vessel, "It's all relative."


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02/08/2019 8:44 pm  

Ig: How about “more nuts than me, a person widely regarded as somewhat nuts by those who know me”?

Now that's a complimentary compliment.

As Einstein said to his second cousin on the faster-than-light vessel, “It’s all relative.”

Yeah, and when he visited the Oregon Vortex, where space distortion can be seen and captured on film or in digits, he said, "There's a relativity shift taking place here." No shit. It was his standard statement ... like AC saying "Do what thou wilt ..." to everyone he met.


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02/08/2019 9:46 pm  

@christibrany :

All there is [in the A ∴ A ∴] is personal work, then one ‘superior’ above you who tests you in what you have learnt, so you can advance grades. That’s it!
The drawback with this however is it implies that the 'superior' has already sufficiently sorted out their shit, when sadly this often enough may not have happened. And in the case where the tyro has the potential to "leap ahead" of their supposed superior in short order it runs the risk that the latter's worst most unresolved complexes may themselves be exposed and brought to the fore (jealousy, sabotage, etc).

@shiva :

The fun (and the time to get upset) is when the Shotokan Karate comes into play. It’s practical objective it to kill or disable an opponent with a single bow.
With a single bow? That sounds like some real heavy-duty, not pissing around serious business there! Is this after the honorific bow paying respect to the opponent in the dojo, or (real sneaky stuff if so) to be done to him/her at the same time?

Tactically (tic-tac-toe-ically) yours
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02/08/2019 10:42 pm  

@Jamie That's true, well put.

I think it is up to the 'subordinate' to use their best judgement and spiritual faculty to see if they feel they are learning, and if the 'superior' seems to be truly exhibiting superior characteristics (patience, kindness, discipline, information etc). Our bullshit meters are generally good after awhile?


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03/08/2019 12:42 am  

j: Is this after the honorific bow paying respect to the opponent in the dojo, or (real sneaky stuff if so) to be done to him/her at the same time?

Don't be silly now. This is for "on the street" (or in the alleyway), when it's more practical to stop the discord right now than to dance around and throw three opponents without hurting them. They only get up and come back again, even madder. The "heavy duty" part in the dojo is accomplished by breaking boards. A "board" is 12" x 12" x 2" (for Americans).

This was my teacher, using three boards ...

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03/08/2019 1:10 am  

Don't be silly now.

Silly now?! B-b-but the suggestion itself occurred to me from witnessing James Bond (Roger Moore) carry out an identical dastardly underhanded manoeuvre in The Man with the Golden Gun (I think it was, unable to check). Quite shocking behaviour when one thinks of it --- and him purportedly the product of an Etonian education, too! What it must convey to foreigners about the gentlemanly ethical behaviour and morals of the British upper class I shudder to think. Oh, you meant ---?

Maybe not very filmickly yours then?
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03/08/2019 1:21 am  

Shiva: i think you have missed the point of JB's joke.

You said Shotokan includes techniques that kill with a single "bow" (you left out the "L").

Everyone knows many martial arts bouts begin with ceremonial bows, thus JB's joke. Carry on.


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03/08/2019 1:22 am  

“ With a single bow? That sounds like some real heavy-duty, not pissing around serious business there! Is this after the honorific bow paying respect to the opponent “

In the street you receive and then you give. Then you bow if you can. In the dojo there is opportunity to bow before and after .

Kali is not fair fighting its survival.
https://youtu.be/Av7GvPnlKlo

Wudu - is total Salam (peace)
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03/08/2019 1:46 am  

[T]hus KB's joke.

Joke --- what joke? Tiger at least seems to be taking me seriously...

Struggling, but keeping a poker face
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(The reference to bear in mind here is of Andy Kaufman towards tv executives in Man in the Moon)


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03/08/2019 1:57 am  

Interesting dance videos, both seem pretty full of shit as far as anything useful in a fight.

The "knife fighting expert" is particularly comical. People who have lived through a knife fight are found in two places: prison, and a few elite military units. The "knife fighting expert" does not seem to have done either.

Is there some evidence he has ever been in a knife fight, or any kind of real fight, ever in his life?

He sucks at grappling, even in the very stylized form shown. He left his opponent's hands free to rip his scrotum off, or stab him, several times as he demonstrated how to "control" him.


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03/08/2019 2:43 am  

Yes ignant
Silat and Kali are the more pretty martial arts but the moves can be lethal if you find your self in the lucky positions. the instructors were doing them slow. And they have limited grappling skills.
not like the street fighter on crack.

https://youtu.be/vi7TPa1eQ8w

https://youtu.be/G2hcoV-6Lv8

silat and kali are good for training speed in hopes that you find your self in a position with your center and the other off their center and hope you can leverage a lucky out come .


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03/08/2019 3:04 am  

Did you know that if you grab someone's scrotum and yank down hard, when you let go, it will go up like a window-shade, for reasons Shiva can doubtless explain from his knowledge of practical anatomy? Dude will also scream really loud, and lie down, which is after all the point of these exercises.

See, these are the kind of practical tips that i never see in these internet "how to win a fight" videos.

Here are two more useful tips on "how to win fights":

1) Really outnumber the bad guy(s);

2) Stay at least 25' away from bad guy(s), have firearm you have trained with, or lacking training, a pump shotgun and excellent luck.

Not getting into fights in the first place is even better, but i had to learn this the hard way.


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03/08/2019 3:58 am  

Since we are all double-posting away lately: Marital arts training is good exercise and fun. I learned several simple things in Aikido classes that actually work. Quite possibly if i had been a more diligent student i would have learned more such things.

But here is what i learned about fighting from doing it almost every day for years as young man, due to being a loud asshole at the time ("at the time"?, some may say), and also working as a bouncer, where diving into fights that other people were running away from was my job.

Most people, when they get in hit/kicked in the face hard, or really anywhere hard, once, give up immediately. If they are hit hard enough to start bleeding, we are at more than 90% giving up at that point. Most fights are over almost immediately. The most useful thing i learned from martial arts was getting used to getting hit hard.

If someone still wants to fight when they are bleeding, you should probably run (but you should have done that before), or shoot them if that is an option.

No man keeps fighting after one hard shot to the groin, or at least i've never seen it. Be like a squirrel, and protect your nuts.

Fat guys cannot take it in the guts. Keep hitting them there.

Trained boxers can usually beat anyone trained in anything else.

The most desperate man, the one who cannot lose, usually wins. This is probably not you if you have ever read a book voluntarily.

Never ever get into a "fair fight" if there is any way to avoid it- you might lose!

However: Getting the living shit kicked out of you (like say by 4 young Mafia wanna-bes with baseball bats, which was the worst i ever got fucked up (out of lots of times, lest anyone think i am claiming to be some kind of badass)) really isn't usually all that bad. i do try to avoid it now that i am an old guy.


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03/08/2019 3:59 am  

Ig, jb, et al: i think you have missed the point of JB’s joke.

Yes, I did. That's what comes from non-proofing. I at least attempt to scan for wiggly red underlines, but "bow" and "blow" both pass that test.

The single bow technique is commonly called a head butt. That's where you smash your upper forehead into and onto the other guy's nose. I hear it's very effective in close quarters, but I have no personal experience of that movement.

Ig: ... grab someone’s scrotum and yank down hard, when you let go, it will go up like a window-shade, for reasons Shiva can doubtless explain from his knowledge of practical anatomy?

It's a survival of the species reflex. It's like pulling one's hand out of the fire. The funny part is, the White Cloud and the Shaolin monks develop the ability to consciously control this "reflex." Thus, they can draw their testicles up into their abdominal cavity, which is useful in one-on-one combat.

Here is your homework assignment: Grit your teeth and watch this 2-minute video ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js_3bIni52I

Here are four

    more

useful tips on “how to win fights”:

1. Practice every movement 100 times, with a powerful aggressor.

2. Enter competitive tournaments. Win, lose, or draw, you gain experience.

3. Never throw the first punch.

4. Get ahold of that elusive technique called Time Slows Down.

Do all these for 50 years.

Note: Competitors over 50 are not allowed. So get your practice in before then, if you're young enough, because you're gonna need it as the Aeon continues to unfold.

I guess all this comes under "Directed Energy Weapons," what with all the Chi and focus, but how it relates to Aleister Crowley is beyond me.

Ig: Not getting into fights in the first place is even better, but i had to learn this the hard way.

This is the goal of the martial arts that end in do (Japanese for Tao, "way"). Such are Aikido, Judo, Karatedo. It also applies to Chinese arts ending in fu ("perfection").


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03/08/2019 4:17 am  

Shiva: [The] head butt. That’s where you smash your upper forehead into and onto the other guy’s nose. I hear it’s very effective in close quarters, but I have no personal experience of that movement.

Very well-known to, and popular with, our British cousins, and all other persons from countries where they play association football (aka soccer), since it is exactly the same move as heading the ball, an important technique in a game where you can't use your hands. "Countries where they play association football" means pretty much all countries except the USA. Those foreigners are tricky i tell you.

I wish i could say i had no personal experience with "that movement".


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03/08/2019 4:30 am  

@ignant
well i like the art
the dancing rhythm and the mechanics
i forgot about the balls
i usually like the conservative fair approach
so i would go for the eyes neck, ankle and knees first
whether it be hitting or locking
and try to help the head hit the pavement.
for peace sake

https://youtu.be/VYl2KCdFNgo

Hoping you can show me your bouncing skills someday
or go for a walk in NYC or whatever

@Shiva
I love hysterical martial arts

and good points

i’m lazy so i don’t practice testicle skills
but i do figure in the importance of gonads eyes neck and feet among others;
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03/08/2019 4:58 am  

pretty dancing
of course if someone grabs your finger break it
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03/08/2019 5:08 am  

more dancing fun
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03/08/2019 5:32 am  

help the head hit the pavement. for peace sake

Yes. This is the point of violence, after all: to be left in peace.

A little story: My late comrade Angus was bouncing in a titty bar in upstate NY for a while. A jerk in club colors was bothering one of the girls. Angus, a tall skinny dude, told him to leave while he still could.

The biker said "Ah, you're all talk."

Angus replied "Bet i can talk you into lying down and bleeding."

[Exit BIKER, hurriedly. He might have been right, but did not want to find out. Few do.]


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03/08/2019 5:43 am  

know your angles and options


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https://youtu.be/i5iw7gVd0zU


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03/08/2019 6:02 am  

dancing moves
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03/08/2019 8:15 am  

I have never lost a fight, but I don't really like fighting.

I am the kind of weird Pisces Taurus Ascendant that is stubborn enough to just go for it,

You may have technique, but generally speaking if I am not an 'asshole' and sneaking up on you after you insult me and braining you into a wall, I can take punch after punch,
I am that kind of weird guy that likes the feel of pain on my face.
I had my nose broken by golf clubs and also my hip broken by Army shit so
At this point in time, I prefer not to fight because I am 'easy going/drummer/lazy' in the head buy my body is rearing to go.

I just like to get crazy.

I understand that to me, fighting is like letting it all go and being crazy.

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My best 'dance' was actually related to 'football' because I was playing in the US after moving from the Netherlands. I was used to the 'pitch' and everything. I am an okay football player not amazing not terrible . I was sweeper and I am that kind of guy

The antagonist in this drama was my coaches son...So he was 'untouchable'

I had told him many times to stop tripping me while we ran laps, and his father would ignore it all of course.

One day I did the ol knee him in the groin and then slam his head into the porcelain

Lo and behold it worked.

I was only 16 or so but I have an appreiciation for violence as a tool.

In regards to head butts I have done that once in a mosh pit and we both fell down lol

Now I am 'old' and my wife doesnt want to let me go to a mosh but I am going to a metal show with an old Marine friend so lets see what happens. *Rosicrucian Cross*

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03/08/2019 7:51 pm  

cs: punch after punch

Not if your Chi is involved and your focus is proper. One bow, one blow - that's what comes of training, rather than "natural" swinging and punching.

I am that kind of weird guy that likes the feel of pain on my face.

Uh,oh! Here comes trouble. This is the type of person, rare in my experience, who is very dangerous. One's focus must be precise in order to stop him. It's a good thing you have a mellow temperament. If you were aggressive, we'd be watching you on the Ultimate Fighting Championship.

I understand that to me, fighting is like letting it all go and being crazy. Does that make sense?

Oh, yes. That's one of the "secrets." During such episodes, do you experience Time Slowing Down?


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03/08/2019 8:19 pm  

chris: I am that kind of weird guy that likes the feel of pain on my face.

Shiva: Uh,oh! Here comes trouble. This is the type of person, rare in my experience, who is very dangerous. One’s focus must be precise in order to stop him.

This has been my experience also, see my post #115708 on previous page, where i said:

Most people, when they get in hit/kicked in the face hard, or really anywhere hard, once, give up immediately. If they are hit hard enough to start bleeding, we are at more than 90% giving up at that point. Most fights are over almost immediately. The most useful thing i learned from martial arts was getting used to getting hit hard.

If someone still wants to fight when they are bleeding, you should probably run (but you should have done that before), or shoot them if that is an option


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03/08/2019 9:40 pm  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITyKEf4bu0I&feature=youtu.be

Speaking of sound.. I can't hear it.. D1-cannot D2-Can D4-can S1-Cannot SIL1-can...

One can readit at reddit (I don’t), or bruhawh at Heruraha (I don’t any more), or be a scribe at Tribe (Iwent there once to look around), but the cleanest Thelemic site is right here at LAShTAL. Nobody hangs in here for long unless they are a complex inter-dimensional being who has consciously chosen the human form. You see, if our choice was “consciously chosen,” this implies that the human form can recognize the “complex inter-dimensional being.” Equilibrating that sort of thing is a real, royal stunt. And expressing such concepts will either piss people off, cause them to pity your insanity, or drive them away.

Ig: This a common combination, which might give one to think, or stop doing that, if one were really smart.

consciously chosen human form? Im going to royally stand on one foot for half an hour while I equilibrate that. I seem to off pissed the whole world off by being. the oomans can indeed recognize .. must have it sealed in blood or something, like beacons of flashy red green lights.... every move made to destroy me creates .. every move I make to create gets destroyed life sux wish I had one

I found the most hilarious letter at my mums going through her papers when she died... she bloody better be in this city of pyramids of yours...

See once I was Important.. now Im just an imp

Im going to try and stop thinking now before my fingers get me into silent trouble...

You have described yourself enough to demonstate that you are what is known as a “Free Spirit.”

"Elemental" dear watson and that seems to be the point that is contrary to all established systems and stuff em if they can't take a joke...

You’ll take your high-rides and lumps as they come, without reference to established systems.

does it take a mistake to see a mistake? giving reference to established systems... *add hours later... it just came to me.. an established system can only last and work for so long because movement changes... re Aeon

There is no high rides ... just lumps......and the goalposts move ... stopping thinking now and sitting on fingers... darn you Ignant 😀 for speaking of smoke while there is nothing to fire...

But the A.’.A.’. is not like that. There are no dues and there is no oath of obedience. There are robes and a curriculum. It’s like a Free University, Inc. It’s called “basic training” in the military sector.

So, not unlike the universe's basic training ? Why train a ripe royal mistake? ahh the devil inside... might break out dawn is on the horizon

maybe I will start Au train nings ... rizon have the reservists move to town....

The keyword is Thelema.

As above so below joiners gonna join ... 46 hurts ... especially when I bend down...

Many people are climbing up that Spectrum with being a joiner. However, interest in Crowley is a form of joining on the mental plane.

well hey he was interested in me first.... I'd rather climb up on his lap for a hug at this moment... it's lump time in the life of sorrow.. comes with the territory... doesn't make it any easier .. freaking schnauzers making waves ... ...
perhaps someone will lie to me unleashing another torrent of answers... oh wait it has shit gets sirius .. crafty catholic chess used not just for trolling book of the face groups. ... vicious old bitches

I did join the guild of reincarnated Crowleys .. not that I am ... but it is dark entertainment..

This is caled The Attractive Principle. Most folks know it as “Birds of a feather, flocking together.”

I have this thing with birds..... well with critters in general.. CEPT oomans ... they nasty... every dawn and dusk cockatoos come for a noisy visit some evenings if im outside they do a lap of the house or two and leave.. the most awesome was one morning about 12 months ago.. freezing cold I went down to river for a fish ..was loving it.. the mist covered the river and all of a sudden they came flying up low over the river itself all spread in formation all echoing ... was a special moment

out with the old in with the new... I don't want to move or leave my cow farm by the river... but landlord

now Im off to "layers of thoth" Crowleys attributes of the old and compare it with the new... after I have read the page or more of replies since I started my reply 12 hours ago


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03/08/2019 10:22 pm  

Apologies to Mayet for sidetracking this thread into all this boy's violence stuff, which i indirectly instigated, and have certainly joined in.

I will post one final anecdote. I am no stranger to getting hit, and kicked, and hit with objects, in the face really hard. Unlike chris, i do not enjoy this one little bit. i have been shit-stomped by trained professionals (police), bikers ("bikies" to Mayet), and young Mafia trainees with baseball bats.

According to several emergency room physicians, i am a very fortunate person in that my cranium is unusually dense and bony (keep that snickering down in the back!), and unusually well-suited to, eg, being hit with baseball bats. It has not passed without notice and comment that my demeanor is such that i am more likely than others to make someone want to hit me with a bat. So i am indeed fortunate.

I have a long pointy nose. Despite a lifetime of vulgar brawling, i have had my nose broken only once. I would go for my nose immediately, if i were fighting me, but so far so good. It was also (by far) the hardest i have ever been hit/kicked/impacted, far surpassing the efforts of the various amateurs and professionals who have tried to kill me in the past..

I was transplanting some irises in the back yard of a house i used to rent. My little dog Fifi, a frisky 75-80 lb. pitbull girl, wanted to play, and was being a pest- i was kneeling on the ground after all. So i put her back in the house and moved to the back of the yard to plant the bulbs i'd just dug up.

The next thing i knew, i was hit by a freight train or something, blood was spraying in enormous quantities from my nose, and, when i lifted my hand to my face to investigate, my long pointy nose was bent flat on my left cheekbone. Fifi was very happy and excited. I had not secured the back door and she came running out to play, and plowed her hard bony skull right through my poor nose. The yard was about 60', back door to flower bed, giving her time to get up a good head of steam.

My wife is experienced with my ways, and met me at the back door with an icepack wrapped in a towel.

Because it was quite early on a Sunday morning, and the nearest hospital is in a city with the highest murder rate in NY state, i figured the emergency room would be an endless wait til noon or so when they caught up with the Saturday night Gun And Knife Club cases. So i took the icepack, wrapped it around my nose and put my nose back where the Good Lord intended it to be. It made a truly gruesome noise popping back into place, that i am sure anyone else not occupying my skull would not have heard.

There is a clear life lesson here: Be careful around policemen, bikers, and young hoodlums, and wear suitable protective headgear when transplanting spring bulbs.


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04/08/2019 9:19 am  

I am a very nice guy and I prefer making people laugh to making them cry or hurt.
But there is definitely a part of me that if I get hurt or bloody I snap and become very feral.
I will never give up until my body does.

Unluckily I know this is an easy type to defeat because I have no real expertise in hand to hand.

Luckily I know that 80% of combat is psychological so my insanity usually works. Hence not needing the physical fight much at all, just the bark or logic.

Time does indeed slow down in such occasions . so you can see the beauty of the movement.
Like just before you fall off your skateboard and or someone's fist hits your ribs while moshing but you don't realise or feel it til the next day. Oops
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04/08/2019 6:16 pm  

cs: Time does indeed slow down in such occasions . so you can see the beauty of the movement.

Aha! So now we have a second TimeLord aboard. Ignant has also confessed to TimeSlow. Then there's me, so that makes three.

From time to time (at 3-5 year intervals), I ask my Tai Chi students if they have experienced "time slowing." Before them (15+ years ago), I used to ask my medical classroom students the same question. Now we're talking about a couple thousand people.

Yes, many people have experienced. I'd guess 30-50%. Maybe more ... I wasn't keeping notes.

This sense of time slowing is reported in fights, athletic competition (usually when somebody performs a "miraculous" catch or maneuver), and in in near-death encounters (like bungee-jumping, free fall, out-of-control cars sailing through the air ... the activities you, Chris, enjoy so much). This is also reported to be one of the "secrets" of certain Shamanic practices. In one of my side-issue books, I wrote:

You've surely heard of it, and maybe you've actually experienced it. I always ask groups of students, "Who has felt the sensation of time slowing down?" Only about half the people I have asked will admit to having entered into that state.
We read about it in adventure books, and athletes often report this sensation when they're engaged in a critical play, but I had never heard it mentioned in conjunction with the Oriental martial arts.

As I closed with this arrogant and dangerous individual, the first thing I noticed was that a red haze had tinted my vision. Aha! One actually does "see red" at a certain point.

The second thing I noticed, as my right fist drove into his solar plexus, was that people are more soft and resilient than a makiwara or a two-inch board ... at least when struck in a soft area.

Nonetheless, the blow knocked him back about four feet to where he grabbed the frame of the open door. Then, braced by holding the door frame, he struck out with a pretty good side thrust kick.

I was already moving in for a second blow and as I did, I casually brushed his kick aside with my open right hand ... and I noticed that everything was moving in extremely slow motion.

I had all the time in the world to do whatever I wanted.

I stepped in with my left foot, and my left fist was driving right at his unprotected face ... and I thought, No, I can't do this!

So I opened my fist and changed direction, my palm pushing his right shoulder, followed by his entire body, right out the door.
And the evil invader was evicted.

One day I asked [my second teacher] if he had experienced time slowing down. "Sure," he said. "When you get hit."

We discussed this phenomenon a bit, and came to the conclusion that it occurred when a person abandoned all concern and resigned themselves to the task at hand without reservation.

Nishiyama. would come down to San Diego from time to time to teach seminars, and I soon found myself back in class again with my first Karate instructor.

During a break in a 2005 seminar, I asked Nishiyama about time slowing down, But he merely made the gesture had he just been teaching, wherein one gathers ki from all around, draws it in through the top of his head, and takes it down to his hara (abdominal one-point).

I told [my 2nd teacher] about this and he said, "He either didn't understand you, or he didn't want to talk about it." So much for my attempt to gather secret information on the final secret.

After the seminar and the examinations, I walked across the street to a restaurant where Nishiyama and [2nd teacher] were sitting at a table, going over the exam results.

I sat down and after they decided who was to be sankyu and who was to be nidan, I pushed my point again and asked Nishiyama about time slowing down in competition.

Oh, he understood all right. But instead of answering the question directly, he told us a story.

"One day in Japan, I went to try out against the Aikido practitioners. When I faced a seventh dan[7th degree black belt] instructor, he said. 'Stop! Never mind. Don't attack. You have already defeated me.'

"But when I faced Morihei Ueshiba [the patriarch of Aikido], I knew he would throw me. Even before I stepped in to attack, I could already feel his hands on my wrist."

A young Nishiyama (on your Right) ...

Nish

An older Uyeshiba ...

uyeshiba

That's not a story you hear every day, is it? It was the last tale I would hear from Nishiyama.
He died on November 7, 2008, after a lifetime (for me) that started When Karate came to America.


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04/08/2019 7:36 pm  

A Special Forces Navy Seal Army Ranger demonstrates the most important SECRET of knife defense (note: less effective against firearms, but worth trying):

https://youtu.be/Qa69ZbsLfFQ

None of this stylized fake-combat knife-defense technique stuff here, the technique is demonstrated full-on.

File under Department Of "High-Speed, Low-Drag".


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04/08/2019 9:27 pm  

I have felt time slow down twice once as a child later as an adult.
Both times hit by a car but in both cases as it appeared that the end was coming; my life did not flash before me.
Things just went into slow motion.

Other than that at times i banish time.
I get consumed in reading, music, or art and there is no time.
and upon return from the spell
to much bewilderment of others; in time
the things that were supposed to be done,
remained in present time.
I predict in the future time
the garbage will be taken out

more dancing
https://youtu.be/U4RYe21uknc

https://youtu.be/Qmp2_WdFoPE

working on
the art of flying
and disappearing
time
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nice work mayet


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Jamie J Barter
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Posts: 1540
04/08/2019 10:56 pm  

Nice work to you too Tiger...

I don't know what you've done but congratulations on managing to get your keyboard to significantly correct its spacebar/ carriage return/ Entry tab shenaningans resulting in substantially increased readability, & although it's not completely out of the woods yet

keep it up!
N Joy

PS "me too" with the time dilation effect


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Shiva
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Posts: 4920
04/08/2019 11:37 pm  

T: my life did not flash before me. Things just went into slow motion.

The "life flash" happens when time Stops. Then you die ... or recover (after seing St Peter or your dead Grand-Uncle, who both tell you, "You gotta go Back."

jb: managing to get your keyboard to significantly correct its spacebar/ carriage return/ Entry tab

Don't hold your breath.


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