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christibrany
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18/01/2020 3:04 am  

This is a bit of a random topic but my HOPE was that it would get us to find new authors and new topics, to explore and discuss, even if only in our personal lives.  Let's share! Mine is in the last I would say 4 months. 

 

We 'should' include a brief description.

 

My last books were:

 

'Wyrd' the journal of magick (a lot of interesting essays but to me a lot of fluff, Starfire and Fenris Wolf are better)

Charles Bukowski 'Pulp' (A lovely homage to the pulp style and oldstyle LA told from a veteran Skid Row derelict)

Willum Pugmire 'An Ecstasy of Evil' (A gorgeous collection from Centipede Press of the true modern decadent and self proclaimed Lovecraftian fan boy. Full of debaucherous prose)

David Childress 'Lost Cities of North America' (A real trip down alternate archaeology and anthropology and history.  He is too erudite for his own words.  There is a lot of meat here)

David Childress 'Lost Cities of Europe etc' (It's true you have to read it to believe it, it's full of scientific papers)

Robeson 'Quest of Qui' (Long known to be a pseudonym of the real Robeson, It is all Doc Savage pulp novels of adventure)

Robeson 'Land of Terror' (ditto- quick but fun reads)

Charles Bukowski 'More Notes from a Dirty old Man' (lovely vignettes from old time LA and what they called perversion back then)

Hanns Heinz Ewers 'The Sorcerer's Apprentice' (a very SHOCKING [not kidding] tale based on a true story of a Swiss village in the 1800s going bonkers and flagellating and killing themselves over God)

Klaus Mann 'Mephisto' (a story of a playwright, director, and actor ascending from Wiemar to Nazi Germany and the moral dilemmas therein)

David Riley 'His Own Demons' (a local Lancashire author writes his own locally based horror stories full of fear and great atmosphere with the Lancashire style we love)

Aleister Crowley  'Thelema' (The first 4 books- full of holiness and at least a 'modicum' of great poetry' one of my heroes- Hellfire club edition)

 


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18/01/2020 10:10 am  

Success is your Proof 100 years of O.T.O. in North America
“march 1919 signaled the O.T.O. full adoption of thelema Equinox Volume III No 1 The Equinox became the official organ of both the AA and oto
The A∴A∴ curriculum stated “ It is highly desirable that aspirants to the grade of Adepts Major should have attained the 9th degree of O.T.O. “(though it does not say it is a prerequisite)

Tobias Churton in my recollection said something like Reuss abdicated when Crowley said the O.T.O.should be informed by the A∴A∴ ( so now the cO.T.O. is informed by the A∴A∴ that was started by one who got kicked out of it; appears to be their affirmed state of affairs. )

Aleister Crowley in India (the better of the books)
Aleister Crowley in America (disappointing)
The Beast in Berlin (not too bad )
Churton gives a sense that he leans towards the corporation and similar to the style of a pedantic grammarian fact editor; once one gets through piles of boring facts it does appear he did spend some other time doing “ The Work “ and rewards with a sentence or short paragraph of insight here and there.

Wormwood Star the magical life of Marjorie Cameron by Spencer Kansa
Interesting picture into the times and life of Marjorie.


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18/01/2020 10:44 am  

no way to edit, edit button is gone.
any way

Occult Paris by Tobias Chuton
( the facts were informative in that one)

Giordano Bruno by Francis A Yates
A Big Thumbs up ! She is Awesome !
Hermes Trismegistus, Ficino’s Pimander and the Asclepius, Pico della Mirandola, Cornelius Agrippa- as a build up introduction to Giodarno Bruno .


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18/01/2020 5:36 pm  
Posted by: @tiger

edit button is gone.

Bad karma.

 


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18/01/2020 7:32 pm  

Visions of Heaven and Hell - Richard Cavendish

Informative journey through various belief systems involving the afterlife and worldly control through moral imperatives. Great selection of illustrations.

The Symbolism of the Tarot - P.D. Ouspensky

A complete surprise to find a book on Tarot by this author at the local second hand store. It deals with Ouspensky's visions involving the Major Arcana in pairs. A good introduction to o c c u l t s y m b o l i s m as he understood it.

The Nature of the Psyche - Jane Roberts

Recent discussions about gender fluidity brought this book to mind. It was the first book that introduced the subject to me. The book makes some great points about the role and function of gender.

Illuminata - Marianne Williamson

Wanted to learn more about the presidential hopeful. The book made some interesting observations on love and spiritual development. The prayers weren't appealing to me directly, but they were inspiring in that they benefited others and helped with my own poetic worship.

The Book of Thoth - Aleister Crowley

Re-read this book as it has always brought new understandings each time. After reading the Ouspensky book mentioned above I wanted to go back to it to glean with a new perspective.

Citizen of Glass


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20/01/2020 1:22 pm  

Most of my reading is fiction, mostly crime, espionage, and science fiction (mostly the kind of SF that is about crime and espionage).

The last eight books i read were Casino Royale, Live And Let Die, Moonraker, Diamonds Are Forever, From Russia With Love, Dr. No, Goldfinger, and Thunderball; currently reading The Spy Who Loved Me. Anyone guessing that i got a set of all the James Bond novels for xmas would be correct.

As far as non-fiction, the last five books i can remember are Day Glo: The Poly Styrene Story, Girl In A Band (by Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth), Aleister Crowley In America, Aleister Crowley And The Temptation Of Politics, and Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind (Shunryu Suzuki).


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20/01/2020 3:15 pm  

@ignant666

 

What were your thoughts on these 2:

Girl In A Band (by Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth),

Aleister Crowley And The Temptation Of Politics?

 

Engrossing? Learnt some stuff? 🙂

 

I have Diamonds are forever but I haven't read it yet...

 

@Tiger

 

Do you agree with one reviewer that Churton's AC in India is somewhat of a chore to read?

 

I do find he has a habit of dryly repeating endless facts without trying to frame them in an interesting light or place them in a stronger context. 

That said, it is nice to learn these new facts which henceforth have only been presented by him, and to a slightly lesser degree but in more interesting prose by Kaczynski. 


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20/01/2020 4:45 pm  

The Kim Gordon book was interesting; a bit more about the end of her marriage to Thurston than i was interested in, but a lot about music, and the history of the band. I am not a huge SY fan, but definitely like them. Worth reading, not the best book i read in the last couple months, not the worst.

A much better female punk musician autobiography that i also read recently is Clothes Clothes Clothes Music Music Music Boys Boys Boys by Viv Albertine from The Slits.

The Pasi book, Aleister Crowley And The Temptation Of Politics, is just absolutely superb. Possibly the best book about AC and his work that i have ever read, certainly a must for anyone with any interest in his political views and involvements. Written in an academic style, but not at all jargon-y; superbly done references and citations. Highly highly recommended.

I largely agree with what you say about Churton. He is a good researcher, but can't resist telling us things he has found out that add little or distract. Sort of the labor theory of value applied to writing: "this took a lot of work to find out, so by god i am going to tell you about it." He is not a terribly insightful writer, but provides such voluminous info that this doesn't matter much.

It is very hard to imagine anyone retaining a belief that OTO-style sex magick works after reading his AC in America, with its record of constant daily failure in this sphere.

The next book i'd like to see him write is AC in Egypt.


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20/01/2020 7:01 pm  

@christibranny
Churnton mostly writes about the man Crowley and inserts facts about the times that have nothing to do with Crowley or Thelema just to make the books thick. He also writes as if he is well versed and understands topics which he convinces in some ways and fails in others.

I started with Aleister Crowley in India first in order to keep it in a biographical chronological order.

Yes i agree with the reviewer’s great assessment.

I did enjoy reading about the Artist Crowley in Crowley in America but that was about it. There are nuggets here and there in the books if you don’t mind the chore but probably not worth the time spent.

The Occult Paris was my favorite of the books i have read mostly because the information was new to me. ( i would recommend that one if your interested in french occultism )


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20/01/2020 10:24 pm  
Posted by: @tiger

i would recommend that one if your interested in french occultism

Is it written in that smooth, Frankly French Lingo?
Do they include intonations like eau and ouge when they vibrate IHVH?


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20/01/2020 10:55 pm  

Go to the quarter and vibrate 'L'EAU E VOUS E....' while tracing the Octagon of France with the baguette wand.  

 

Couldn't resist. 

Back on track..


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21/01/2020 12:20 am  

They thought the British were rather inelegant when uttering the Barbarous names so the spent hours, days, years, pondering and perfecting their inflection on the pronunciation of them.


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21/01/2020 6:26 am  
Posted by: @tiger

so they spent hours, days, years, pondering and perfecting their inflection on the pronunciation of them.

With a French accent?


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21/01/2020 12:17 pm  

With the span, the grave accent gave way to the trema and the circumflex; revealing that the barbaroi might possibly, should be pronounced in Creole with the proper dissimilarity.

ok back to books


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21/01/2020 11:54 pm  

Familia Romana, Gambit Killer, Red Flame Number 1, Practical Common LISP, Initiation in the Aeon of the Child, Mystery of Mystery.

 

And OTO Rituals and Sex Magick.

Force and Fire is not metaphorical.


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22/01/2020 5:01 pm  

@runelogix

Thanks for sharing; good to see you back.

 

I see that the Red Flame vol 1 is Jerry Cornelius' collection of Grady McMurty's poems.  I was wondering if they were any good and found this for anyone interested:

 

http://www.cornelius93.com/GradyPoetryPage-No1.html

 


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02/02/2020 8:33 am  
  1.  The Colorado Kid by Stephen King. I saw the cover of this at https://pulpcovers.com/  which is an excellent site. It is part of the Hard Case Crime series. I liked the book so I bought King's other HCC novel
  2. Joyland, which is more supernatural and King-like. The covers to these books are brilliant.
  3. Royal Masonic Cyclopaedia by Kenneth McKenzie, who knew a vast amount about unusual European side degrees.
  4. The Red Book by Carl Jung. The edition I have has no illustrations, but you can see them online. I thought the book was like an extended Prophecies of Paracelsus, and I was similarly disappointed that someone so intelligent had produced such vague and useless piffle.
  5. Footypedia by Daniel Maier, who writes for Harry Hill. This is an alternative football dictionary and it's the funniest book I've read since old leather-arse died.


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02/02/2020 1:49 pm  

THE LOGIC BOOK [Philosophy and Religion] Merrie Bergmann, James Moor, Jack Nelson - The Logic Book (2008, McGraw-Hill Humanities_Social Sciences_Languages)….most of it.

D.H.Lawrence selected short stories ..Penguin.  Good , very descriptive writer.

Kafka The Trial   I got through it.

Dosteovsky  House of the Dead  A cheery tail about inmates in one of the Tsar's Siberian prisons.

Dickens Hard Times  A great documentation of what it was like in Victorian Britain.  

James Burke Connections apparently it was  a TV series ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XetplHcM7aQ) it's about the history of science and technology from the dawn of man to the present.

Colin Wilson Aleister Crowley: The Nature of the Beast

Israel Regardie  A Garden of Pomegranates


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04/02/2020 10:54 pm  

@Dom

What did you think of Kafka?

 

I read all of his stuff in a single volume collection and it was quite tedious.

 

The most interesting was probably The Metamorphosis, followed by The Castle, but he was extremely into....an almost psychotic level of tangent and detail.  Inserting philosophical and societal musings into his narratives did not help his fiction, at least in the way he did it.

 

In my opinion. 

 

 


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04/02/2020 10:58 pm  
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since old leather-arse died.

@alan_obrien

 

For those of us not of English/Irish culture, raised and bred, this phrase is the American equivalent of 'since sliced bread' 

 

 


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05/02/2020 5:55 pm  

Are we only talking about completion? The last 5 books I've been in, I believe, are:

 

- Book of the Law

- The Law is for All

- Living Thelema

- The Dark Lord Kenneth Grant HP Lovecraft and The Typhonian Tradition

- The Sethian Dilemma (technically a paper)

 

 

"seek me only! Then the joys of my love will redeem ye from all pain."

10 = 1 & 0


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05/02/2020 6:49 pm  

@set-tetu-ra

 

Yes sir-or-ma'am, completion, 🙂 But we can presume you are going to/have finished those then.

If you are interested in Setian/Typhonian stuff have you read Flower's Lords of the Left Hand Path? It is quite fascinating. 

 

Not sure I would really classify Grant's work as LHP though. personally speaking.

 

 


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05/02/2020 7:51 pm  

@christibrany

 

I have, I was actually a minorly prominent member of the LHP community for a while, author of Behold: The Prince of Darkness and cofounder of the Order of the Serpent. That is behind me though, I'm more interested in a "middle path", something I previously denied. 

 

I also don't think Grant is LHP. 

"seek me only! Then the joys of my love will redeem ye from all pain."

10 = 1 & 0


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05/02/2020 9:45 pm  

@christibrany

 

What did you think of Kafka?

I read all of his stuff in a single volume collection and it was quite tedious.

The most interesting was probably The Metamorphosis, followed by The Castle, but he was extremely into....an almost psychotic level of tangent and detail. Inserting philosophical and societal musings into his narratives did not help his fiction, at least in the way he did it.

In my opinion.

 

Kafka.  He was of his age wasn't he?  The boy had stress issues but this produced two of the great works of modern literature however I found The Trial to be piss-tedious...but in  a good way like playing chess.   I get it , modern man is overwhelmed by bureaucracy and sometimes feels small when he compares himself to the massive machine of modern civilization.

 

If you think he was detailed check out D.H.Lawrence.   Isn't that what writers are supposed to do?  They observe what we miss.  

 

@set-tetu-ra

 

Hi, are you fan of E.A.Koetting and his pals?


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05/02/2020 9:53 pm  
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If you think he was detailed check out D.H.Lawrence.   Isn't that what writers are supposed to do? 

Yes and no. You don't need a whole page about the grain of wood on a fence and how it reminds the character of X and Y which reminds him of X and Y. I don't call that really...detail.  I call it somewhat mentally unhinged/untrained.

 

I do like some verbose authors, (Anne Rice randomly comes to mind, even Charles Dickens) but they didn't strike me as tedious.  

 

The more I survey it, the more I respect more curt writers that can get their emotions/ideas across just as powerfully but with fewer words.   Like Charles Bukowski, or Ernest Hemingway.  

 

I like a mixed variety of styles for sure, but Kafka in particular somewhat rankled me...


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05/02/2020 10:10 pm  

@christibrany

 

I know what you mean but I didn't get that from the Kafka novel that I read.  I recall a P.K.Dick book I read where an entire page is dedicated to a description of the contents of a circuit board or the like. 


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06/02/2020 12:16 am  

I'm having a real nice bit of reading going. 

Aleister Crowley's Secret Temple. An interesting attempt to solve Liber Al but it falls short of my expectations. The "Seven Palaces" bit are an invention of the author and the authors purported cryptography skills are laughable.

Land Of Lisp. Enjoyable elementary programming textbook.

Rufus et Arma Atra. An enjoyable Latin novella written for children on the love topic of gladiators. Excellent for beginners.

Sacrifice and Initiative in Chess by Sokolov.  Many enjoy games in it so far, not completed.

And a lot more chess and programming articles way too many to mention. A bit of machine learning stuff too. 

I've been listening to Edgar Allen Poe stories on youtube and some 1940's Halloween specials, good stuff.

Force and Fire is not metaphorical.


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06/02/2020 1:51 am  

@dom

 

Not very familiar with E.A.Koetting and his circles. I was more into the likes of Michael Aquino, Stephen Flowers, Don Webb, etc for a good while, and those circles. I corresponded with Aquino for a few years, a nice fellow. It saddens me what his legacy has and will continue to become with the ToS. 

 

"seek me only! Then the joys of my love will redeem ye from all pain."

10 = 1 & 0


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06/02/2020 12:32 pm  
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@dom

 

Not very familiar with E.A.Koetting and his circles. I was more into the likes of Michael Aquino, Stephen Flowers, Don Webb, etc for a good while, and those circles. I corresponded with Aquino for a few years, a nice fellow. It saddens me what his legacy has and will continue to become with the ToS. 

 

For what it's worth E.A.Koetting is a better author then H.B. He may be the real Secret Chief of the OTO as far as I'm concerned.

(bust out inside joke laughter)

Force and Fire is not metaphorical.


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06/02/2020 6:51 pm  

@set-tetu-ra

 

Michael Aquino's PSYOP experience and his Mindwar concept are fascinating, I intend to study at some point.  Granted it's all concept papers but still interesting thinking.

 

 

 


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06/02/2020 7:04 pm  

@christibrany

I still don't know how I feel about Mindwar, aside from yes, is very interesting. A lot fell apart in FindFar though imo. And while theoretically it could maybe be used to enforce American ideals on other countries and cultures, I'm not sure it can be ethical even if used by an ethical person/group. Manipulating the Wills of others isn't something I'm fond of.

 

"seek me only! Then the joys of my love will redeem ye from all pain."

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06/02/2020 7:35 pm  
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Manipulating the Wills of others isn't something I'm fond of.

Agreed- it is very ... sticky. Nothing to stop it being abused. Better let each find their own orbit.  On paper it sounds fine, 'an ethical/kingly man can/should decide what is right in a (Thelemic) government' but who is to say he is truly espousing True Will/ Thelemic principles?so yeah. 

It all falls apart in Malkuth/practise. 


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07/02/2020 12:50 am  

@christibrany

 

I have the books. Can't wait for them to sell as it so many pages with so little substance.

 

Force and Fire is not metaphorical.


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07/02/2020 2:45 am  

Just got Essays 8 today. I'm in the market for 1 and 2 if anyone has any for sale!

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