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23/06/2020 12:21 am  

Pretty amazing indictment this morning out of the US Attorney for Manhattan:

The Department of Justice announced today the unsealing of an indictment charging Ethan Melzer, 22, of Louisville, Kentucky, for allegedly planning an attack on his U.S. Army unit by sending sensitive details about the unit – including information about its location, movements, and security – to members of an extremist organization named Order of the Nine Angles (O9A), an occult-based neo-Nazi and white supremacist group. Melzer is charged with conspiring and attempting to murder U.S. nationals, conspiring and attempting to murder military service members, providing and attempting to provide material support to terrorists, and conspiring to murder and maim in a foreign country.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-army-soldier-charged-terrorism-offenses-planning-deadly-ambush-service-members-his-unit

Some background for those not familiar with these Black Lodge scum:

https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2019/02/16/state-of-hate-2019-order-of-nine-angles/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Nine_Angles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Myatt

 


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23/06/2020 1:54 am  

"the ONA has stated that their concept "has nothing to do with Crowley",[73] but is based on the work of both Toynbee and Spengler.[74]

"The ONA claim that current Western civilization has a Faustian ethos and that it has recently undergone its Time of Troubles, with its final stage, an "Imperium" of militaristic governance, due to commence at some point in 1990–2011 and last until 2390.[15] "

- Wiki

Well, that all fits. At least they have a firm timetable. Welsh Nazis, eh?

Will this be the 4th or the 5th Reich?


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23/06/2020 2:21 am  

They deserve, i suppose, some credit for being Satanists who try to be as actually evil as possible.They advocate murder as a means of attainment, and terrorism as just wonderful.

They have astonishingly silly beliefs/ideology- a Kali-like goddess called Baphomet, and a sort of Hitler-Messiah called Vindex. They also suffer from an equally astonishingly turgid, and annoying (and really easily parodied) writing style, followed in nearly all their published books (which are innumerable): "dark Sinister presencing of the acausal forces". They have immense amounts of very silly jargon.

They are not an organization/order with a hierarchy, or so they say (of course they are not exactly reliable). There are very few core members, but they seem very influential among the new online Nazis, like Atomwaffen etc., and there are several criminal cases in the UK against ONA-affiliated folks. This is the first US case i'm aware of.

Probably i am now marked for "culling" as an "opfer" having written this. Come on down boys.


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23/06/2020 3:19 am  

The "RapeWaffen" Division? Great googly-moogly!

This has to be the most Rube Goldberg-esque terrorist plan I've read in quite awhile. And the morale in this fellow's unit must be pretty high for them to think a couple casualties will "cause another ten year war." This indictment's release may well have done more for white terrorism than the plot itself.

Unless my history is slipping, I think the way the real Nazis started wars was by dressing up as the other guys and carrying out false flag operations, a la the Gleiwitz Incident. And even that was only a casus belli. It would be much harder to do that now, as a non-state actor especially. You would have to disappear for awhile or fake your death, rip your teeth out and not have any identifying marks besides (unless you were really going for the gusto and doing something that would destroy your corpse).

And it's still a crapshoot, after all.

No identifying marks would be particularly difficult to come by, seeing as how so many people today have tattoos. It's for that reason that my father told me never to get tattooed, which is a very peculiar thing to tell a little boy, now that I think of it.


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23/06/2020 3:24 am  

It seems like the plan was to get Al Qaeda, with his help, to massacre his unit in Turkey, thus Reichstag-ing WW III. Unfortunately for him, looks like his AQ contact was an FBI or other "alphabet boi" agent or informant.

There have been a bunch of cases of "Al Qaeda" Feds nailing would-be terrorists, usually Muslims though; another similar thing is provocateur/informants recruiting Latino immigrants to rob (non-existent) drug dealers, and then arresting them for the plot the Feds have created.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-army-soldier-supremacist-plot-20200622-3uq4d3hpqfe4vnd4kdnhdslpxa-story.html

Cannot wait for the New York Times to ponderously explain O9A to us.

After the cop-killer USAF boogaloo in California, i think Nazis in the US military can expect a lot of FBI attention.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53076159


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23/06/2020 11:17 am  

Is this an actual big news story or just a middle pages one little paragraph type of story?


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23/06/2020 1:34 pm  

So Hitler was divine, nay an avatar eh?   Apparently avatars get uncontrollable nervous tremors when they're losing a war.


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23/06/2020 2:44 pm  
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Vindex

Windex? lol

Thanks for sharing this. Sad and interesting.

Glad they caught that 's#bag soldier'. A real blue falcon. as we say.

 

I was mistakenly under the impression the O9A had to do with Aquino but apparently not. 


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23/06/2020 2:53 pm  

Oh, no, they hate Aquino almost as much as they hate Lavey, who was a "Magian" (Jew) so they extra-hate him.

This case goes a bit beyond normal blue falconry i think. More cases to come now that this Nazi/O9A stuff is on the radar, i would guess.


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23/06/2020 3:16 pm  

Yep these White folks here are  a vile minority of extremists but we have a vile minority of non-whites also.  Google UK Pakistani grooming gangs.

Pakistani gangs, usually shop-owner types chickenhawking white orphan teens or white teens generally from dysfunctional homes.  One guy will befriend them, give them presents etc pretend he's a boyfriend and then months down the line, there's a get-together where him and his friends gang-rape them.  Furthermore, many were trafficked across the country for profit.  The police didn't get involved for years and years for fear of looking "politically incorrect" and the Pakistanis in the council were pulling strings to cover it all up anyway.

If you think this is minor and sporadic you are wrong, now that the politically correct press have had to accept it it's all gone public.  Girls who tried to get out of these rings were beaten in racially motivated attacks and families were intimidated.  The police have said it's not sporadic but has literally been "industrial" and had gone on for years and years not just in one city but in vast areas of the north of England and beyond.  So yeah, Nazism bad and Pakistani grooming gangs bad as were Jews  Epstein and Weinstein.  Let's get a perspective, whitey is not the Devil per se.0


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23/06/2020 3:28 pm  

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I was going to say, based on my Lords of the Left Hand Path, thanks to Stephen Flowers, Aquino is much more intelligent and some of his ideas while extreme, do have some merit on occasion .   These Welsh chaps on the other hand, having a hard time finding anything 'useful' there. 

 


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23/06/2020 6:18 pm  
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Let's get a perspective, whitey is not the Devil per se

I have a very close friend who used to be a Black Hebrew Israelite, who think white folks are actual physical devils.

He was willing to admit that i, his blue-eyed best friend, was not a devil, and also my blue-eyed ex-wife, "but most white folks are straight-up devils." A classic line from those days: "It's a good thing you're in law school, so you can represent me when i kill about 40 white people."

In any case, we are discussing literal Hitler-worshiping, Jew-hating, Satanist Nazi murderers, terrorists, and would-be murderers, and would-be terrorists, who advocate terrorism, rape, pedophilia, ritual murder, etc. etc. etc. Yes, it is true that non-white folks do bad things too, but that is not this discussion.


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23/06/2020 6:33 pm  

Had a talk with the boys about this. The boys are not very intelligent, but they were exceedingly quick to point out (as always) that 'Melzer' is (or can be) a Yiddish name.

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I have a very close friend who used to be a

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yet2Q0M32GQ


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23/06/2020 6:58 pm  

Meltzer i think is the Jewish version, Melzer is a fine Aryan name; of course Jewish Nazis are not uncommon; we were just discussing "Nikolas Schreck" the other day.

Black Scientologists has some of the schtick nailed, but they need the lead dude to shout "Read!" from time to time. And the clothing is not elaborate enough. Laughed.

My favorite part of their Times Sq thing is the part about white folks being a genetic experiment by a mad scientist called Yacub breeding a pig and a dog in a cave. This is why white women, to this day, commonly have sex with dogs, and pigs.

When some white chump starts saying that this is not true, they give him a quarter, point to the nearby peepshow (still a couple left), and say "Booth 12, film 6A" or whatever. Where, for 25 cents American, you can indeed see a film of a blonde (very Aryan-looking) German woman sucking off a dog, and having intercourse with a pig.

At one point, my three Israelite pals (one dead, one i lost track of, one i'm still tight with) had a hip-hop act called White Wife.


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23/06/2020 10:53 pm  

Incidentally, being a product of a genetic experiment breeding pigs and dogs in a cave is used by the Israelites to explain the "fact" that "white people smell like a wet dog".

Since most black folks do in fact think that white people smell like a wet dog, this is often quite persuasive even to those who otherwise think they are on some bullshit, on a "i mean, it do make you think" kinda level.

This is a thing white folks are not supposed to know black folks think about them, BTW. They may figure we would kill even more of them if we knew what they think about how we smell. Or, just like, y'know, politeness.

They may be right. Just imagine how mad those O9A folks will be, now that i have let the cat out of the bag on this one. To bring us back to "do", and the OT.


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23/06/2020 11:39 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

 

In any case, we are discussing literal Hitler-worshiping, Jew-hating, Satanist Nazi murderers, terrorists, and would-be murderers, and would-be terrorists, who advocate terrorism, rape, pedophilia, ritual murder, etc. etc. etc. Yes, it is true that non-white folks do bad things too, but that is not this discussion.

Ok, so according to those links  these guys are influenced by "Gothic literature" but unspecified.  What?  Poe?  Lovecraft?   That thing about smelling like a dog in the rain it was in a big movie in the 60s I think, was it Sidney Pottier who said the line? 

 

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I was going to say, based on my Lords of the Left Hand Path, thanks to Stephen Flowers, Aquino is much more intelligent and some of his ideas while extreme, do have some merit on occasion .   These Welsh chaps on the other hand, having a hard time finding anything 'useful' there. 

 

Look Boyo, Shropshire isn't in Wales.   Who says these guys are Welsh?


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23/06/2020 11:45 pm  

"Gothic literature"? Odd way to describe Mein kampf.

You read all the O9A crap for yourself here:

https://omega9alpha.wordpress.com/

There is really a lot of it, and it is incredibly tedious, repetitive, juvenile, and silly, but very insistent on the need to be truly evil- killing, raping, genociding, whatevs.

As to the Welsh bit, this is because the wiki article includes their obviously false claim that O9A is "the descendant of pre-Christian pagan traditions which survived the Christianisation of Britain and which were passed down from the Middle Ages onward in small groups or 'temples' based in the Welsh Marches." i don't think there is any genuine connection to Wales, or that either of the two main O9A folks (Myatt and Moult) ever lived there.

The O9A site includes strenuous denials that Nazi/Jihadi/"man of peace" David Myatt has or has ever had anything to do with O9A, and cites the fact that Myatt challenged an anti-fascist journalist to a "duel with deadly weapons" (the journo declined) for saying he wrote all their stuff as proof Myatt could not be involved in a Nazi Satanist murder cult.


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23/06/2020 11:58 pm  
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"Gothic literature"? Odd way to describe Mein kampf.

You read all the O9A crap for yourself here:

https://omega9alpha.wordpress.com/

There is really a lot of it, and it is incredibly tedious, repetitive, juvenile, and silly, but very insistent on the need to be truly evil- killing, rapping, genociding, whatevs.

One or three paragraphs of that link is enough thanks as it's just too nauseatingly weird and silly for me but I did trawl through the wiki page  (where it mentions Gothic literature) .   They did get a minute or so coverage on a major news channel last year in the UK as I recall but the latest undercover Fed bust was not in the TV headlines for some reason.     


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24/06/2020 1:00 am  
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killing, rapping, genociding, whatevs.

Damn, david caught me before i fixed that typo; one thing i am pretty sure O9A strenuously avoids is "rapping".


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24/06/2020 8:13 am  
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killing, rapping, genociding, whatevs.

Damn, david caught me before i fixed that typo; one thing i am pretty sure O9A strenuously avoids is "rapping".

Did I post that?  I thought I deleted it.  Well a rap album wouldn't surprise me, the wiki link says they do music also. 


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24/06/2020 12:23 pm  
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they do music also. 

It's all what you'd expect from Nazi Satanists: vewwy scawwy black/death metal, and "transgressive" industrial crapola, and the odd bit of white-power punk. Not so much with the Magian/Negroid hippety-hop i think.


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24/06/2020 12:49 pm  
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they do music also. 

It's all what you'd expect from Nazi Satanists: vewwy scawwy black/death metal, and "transgressive" industrial crapola, and the odd bit of white-power punk. Not so much with the Magian/Negroid hippety-hop i think.

I had/have a friend, (haven't seen him since he got married, he may be a lurker here (his brother had the Thoth Tarot) and not realize who I am)).  He is a massive Stooges fan, rare live recording collections etc....but one day he opened up a secret closet in his bedroom for me.  It was full of World War Two militia books, books about the SS and books and videos on the Third Reich.

 He went on to show me his secret tape collection, Screwdriver and some creepy Boyd Rice tape (first time I'd heard of Rice).  I was like,ugh,  oh dear looks like my friend has issues even though he said he wasn't racist.  I think his mother is some sort of witch, she had some sort of pentagram decoration.  He's a big guy too, once knocked out some big black guy built like Tyson in the first bell ring down at the boxing club.  He used to phone me up slurring sometimes.

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24/06/2020 1:08 pm  

I have lots of books by and about the SS, Nazis, and other right-wing scum, not nearly as many as left stuff but still a couple dozen books. Nothing wrong with knowing your enemies.

The first Skrewdriver album (before they went Nazi/NF) is quite good, i love "Antisocial". Boyd Rice i think you know my feelings on; not a fan. Ron Asheton of the Stooges had a big Nazi fixation. And an obsession with Pharaoh Sanders, and other free-jazz cats. He never tried to play his guitar like Hitler though. So we can't always judge a book by its record collection.

But yes, it does sound like your pal may have some things to think about. And might be the sort of person O9A tries to recruit/indoctrinate.

Makes me sad that my former not just massive but total Stooges bootleg collection (like literally every single one that ever existed) got stolen when i was moving just about exactly 18 years ago this month.


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24/06/2020 3:31 pm  

Yeah I'm going to make him trade all that in for rare Black Panther magazines which apparently only ran from 68 to 72.


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24/06/2020 3:50 pm  

Well, there is the new post-2016 Black Panther Marvel storyline written by the brilliant Ta-Nehesi Coates.

Or maybe you mean the newspaper The Black Panther, published by the Black Panther Party from '67-'80? If so, here are some scans of issues from '69-'73 to get him started. I know of two NYC academic libraries that i think have the full run: Medgar Evers College of the City University of NY, and the Tamiment Collection at NYU, where i spent many happy undergrad hours reading radical literature. The Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture (a gigantic Harlem branch of the NY Public Library) probably also has 'em. This will be a very expensive collection to build. 


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24/06/2020 6:16 pm  

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My Dear Davidom,

 

I knew Shropshire wasn't in Wales, I just thought the O9A was from Wales per a post in this thread.  Shiva called them Welsh Nazi's and I couldn't be arsed to read the wiki myself.  Not finding them interesting enough.

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Thanks for sharing that link.

It is a truism that most in the military are right wing.  I am moderately and I never met an espoused White Supremacist in any of my barracks but I know they are lurking.  lurking. lurking..but its an extremely small minority. almost non existent. 

 

More often its the ingrained (half of) Texas old boy mentality, which is not necessarily violent or terroristic...

 


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24/06/2020 11:14 pm  
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Well, there is the new post-2016 Black Panther Marvel storyline written by the brilliant Ta-Nehesi Coates.

Or maybe you mean the newspaper The Black Panther, published by the Black Panther Party from '67-'80? If so, here are some scans of issues from '69-'73 to get him started. I know of two NYC academic libraries that i think have the full run: Medgar Evers College of the City University of NY, and the Tamiment Collection at NYU, where i spent many happy undergrad hours reading radical literature. The Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture (a gigantic Harlem branch of the NY Public Library) probably also has 'em. This will be a very expensive collection to build. 

"Hey hey hey" as Fat Albert used to say, thanks I'll be checking that amazing piece of history out in time.   I can't find Bobby Seale's speech on Youtube where he challenged Reagan to a fight saying he would beats him to death haha.  

 

R.I.P. to those brave noble people terrorised by J.Edgar Hoover and his sneaky Fed-informant set-ups.

 


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25/06/2020 9:13 pm  

@ignant666

 

What did you make of the Fat Albert (Bill Cosby) cartoon series?  _ 


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25/06/2020 9:20 pm  

Watched it a couple times as a teenage stoner, but it debuted when i was 13, and much too into David Bowie, Soul Train, Hee-Haw, Monty Python, and girls to watch kids shows on Saturday morning anymore. And the works of AC, of course.

Let's, perhaps, stick to things a little closer to the OT, maybe? In just this one thread, the others be damned?


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25/06/2020 11:27 pm  

Kind of O.T. as Chris Rock was saying it was a totally degrading cartoon. 


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30/06/2020 8:07 am  

Yes back on topic which is, what?  The emotionally damaged grooming the emotionally damaged to commit unnecessary acts of violence.

You have to ask yourself, in this particular instance of that, if you take away the spooky metaphysics out of it then does it fall apart?  In other words is the non-scientific metaphysical mumbo-jumbo the enabler?  That goes for the nonsense about white people being genetic experiments between dogs and pigs also which would contribute to racial divisions or nonsense about 40 virgins waiting for a martyr in Heaven.

 

 

 


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30/06/2020 9:33 pm  
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nonsense about 40 virgins

Of course it's nonsense. The correct number is 72.

"What is the concept of 72 virgins in Islam?
 

"Ibn Kathir, in his tafsir, writes that the word has been interpreted to refer to "fully developed" or "round breasts... they meant by this that the breasts of these girls will be fully rounded and not sagging, because they will be virgins."  (Wiki sex so, so it must be true).

 

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30/06/2020 10:03 pm  

In other interpretations, those who die in jihad are promised 72 yellow grapes, the rounded breasts bit being expressed in metaphorical language referring to grapey roundness, that can also be interpreted quite literally as being about actual grapes.

One imagines that, whichever may be the case, there are some disappointed folks at the gates of paradise.

Some people really like grapes, you know, and some men don't look forward to women's favors, and might prefer grapes.


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30/06/2020 11:00 pm  
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there are some disappointed folks at the gates of paradise.

I guess they forgot about the "Thou Shalt NOT Kill" clause.

 


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30/06/2020 11:18 pm  

Anyone who has ever read the Old Testament knows that when YHVH says "Thou Shalt NOT Kill", he does not intend it to be taken literally.

He is very very OK with all sorts of killing, provided it is the right kind of killing, ie other folks, or bad Jews, or little children who make fun of bald men, saying "Go up, thou bald head!". He quite often gets mad when folks don't kill enough, and is not above doing a bit of smiting his own self, if his Chosen People are too slow to kill someone.

This is more of a divine Suggestion, and not a serious literal rule that must be obeyed like the ones about not eating shrimp, or bacon, or the rules against men having sex with men, or wearing blended fabrics- those are serious.


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YHVH says

But we (anyone reading this who is not a spy from IHVH)(pardon my spelling, I've always fancied the Yod) know that HE is/was just a tribal deity, most likely one of those cosmic demons, and he will not be meeting us at the gate. Nor his St Peter, who retired. Anubis has taken his Seat a the Gate in the East. If you are good with your QBL, and don't mess it up too much with your importance, you can probably pass the pylon/gate.

But if it's only Paroketh you're confronting, and you were born, raised, or converted into ANY of the religions that deal with The People of the Book, IHVH, or Peter, might give you a hard time. Therefore, I beseech everyone to get up to 5=6, or equivalent in any system or psychological realm that works, before the gate/pylon comes into view. With the world ending on a daily basis these days, perhaps you've already seen it coming?

 


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA8tlJBW6Xg&t=1414s   This documentary is worth watching.   18m30s in you get to see Metzger, he explains (<sigh>) that all revolutions were started by Jews even the French Revolution, yeah I should've worked that out considering Lev Robespierre, Abe Danton and Marvin Mirabeau were involved haha.

If you want to see a Black Lodge ritual check out the first few minutes where the mysterious energy of 'white power' is invoked.

 

Worth watching for Jesse Jackson calling Duke a 'hippy Klansman' in  a TV  debate, it's about 13 minutes in. 


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