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@david-dom-lemieux Not 100% true, Manson was able to get a recording session through  Terry Melcher, but Manson was so erratic and unhinged, that Melchor thought better of it, Also Manson rubbed shoulders with other musicians such as Cass Elliot and John Phillips.  Like I said, read the book The Life and Times of Charles Manson.  It will explain the whole music star aspect of Manson's aspirations.


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@david-dom-lemieux You can find the book The Life and Times of Charles Manson by Jeff Guin on the Internet Archive, it's free.  That's where I read it.


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

@david-dom-lemieux Not 100% true, Manson was able to get a recording session through  Terry Melcher, but Manson was so erratic and unhinged, that Melchor thought better of it, Also Manson rubbed shoulders with other musicians such as Cass Elliot and John Phillips.  Like I said, read the book The Life and Times of Charles Manson.  It will explain the whole music star aspect of Manson's aspirations.

You mean Melcher was persuaded by Wilson to take his tape-recorder up to the Spahn Ranch and he recorded some of the songs and yes Manson violently beat someone in Melcher's presence.  How and where did Manson "rub shoulders with" (which could mean anything or nothing) Cass Elliot and Phillips?   You mean he was present at some house party (which they attended) or something?    

 

Admittedly, Neil Young remembers Manson jamming at a beach party once and like I said elsewhere, Rodney Biggenheimer was a friend of Manson.  

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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@david-dom-lemieux You can find the book The Life and Times of Charles Manson by Jeff Guin on the Internet Archive, it's free.  That's where I read it.

I'd sooner you summarise the info I asked of you here if you could, if not, no matter. 

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@ignant666 I was 12 years old in 1969.  What I knew about Hippies, and Manson I saw on TV.  Like every other family living in America at that time, my parents had a subscription to Life Magazine.  We received the now infamous Manson cover.  And I did read the article, but as far as I was concerned, Manson and his family could have been living on Mars.  Being 12, that sort of thing was on the periphery of my experience.  I was into reading Mad Magazines and Comic books at the time. 


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@david-dom-lemieux I could surmise it, but why not just read it?  I could never do it justice.  Believe me, you'll be hooked.


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Well as the thread goes into the bardos of the ever popular Charlie Manson diversion, with reminiscences of youth and overlapping reading lists, I am inclined to offer once again this paper relative to the "Manson" operation.

http://mileswmathis.com/tate.pdf

While the paper above does not make this observation, I note the name 'Manson' is an interesting choice..."man's son" or what is an attack upon the "son of man" to which the "hippies" were observed to be as primitive christians.....(prior to the "Jesus Freaks" part of the operation was promoted)...


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@david-dom-lemieux Yes, that's exactly it.  Supposedly Cass Eliot had an "open House"  that was the thing back then.  Hippies, communes, drop in anytime, that vibe.


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@hadgigegenraum I'll check it out.  I love a good conspiracy theory, it makes up for not be read bedtime stories anymore.


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@david-dom-lemieux Yes, that's exactly it.  Supposedly Cass Eliot had an "open House"  that was the thing back then.  Hippies, communes, drop in anytime, that vibe.

But they never seriously considered him letting him play with them on an official record, the Mamas and Papas were basically everyone's favourite hippies, Ed Sullivan loved them. 

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Oops! I meant: 'Not being read bedtime stories"


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@david-dom-lemieux I don't know if Manson wanted to play with the Mamas and the Pappas.  I have read that John Phillips  claims he woke up in the middle of the night and saw people dressed in black walking like penguins in his house.  He was being "creepy-crawled" apparently.


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

@david-dom-lemieux I could surmise it, but why not just read it?  I could never do it justice.  Believe me, you'll be hooked.

Thanks for the recommendations.  I recommend you search for some Manson Family original recordings on youtube, a girl I knew gave me a CD of them a few years ago.  Also are you aware of Shreck's Youtube video about Anton Lavey's hex ritual to destroy the hippies which he later found out was done on the night of the Tate murders?   Probably bullshit though. 

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@david-dom-lemieux I have, there is plenty of sites dedicated to Manson and his recording.  I wasn't aware of the Shreck interview about Anton Lavey's curse on the hippie movement.  It might be bullshit, but most things are, so that doesn't dissuade me.  (You realize that Shreck is married to Lavey's daughter, so the great Devil worshipper is his father-in-law)


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@david-dom-lemieux I have, there is plenty of sites dedicated to Manson and his recording.  I wasn't aware of the Shreck interview about Anton Lavey's curse on the hippie movement.  It might be bullshit, but most things are, so that doesn't dissuade me.  (You realize that Shreck is married to Lavey's daughter, so the great Devil worshipper is his father-in-law)

Didn't they divorce?

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@david-dom-lemieux I don't know.


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Well as the thread goes into the bardos of the ever popular Charlie Manson diversion,

I dunno, the guy had a swastika tattoo in between his eyes so we're on topic. 

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Yeah, but the Nazi's the west is supporting in the Ukraine are not actors, except President Zelinski the kleptocrats coke head imp.

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Interesting that you label something a 'conspiracy theory' before you have read the document. Enjoy your bedtime reading non the less


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swastika tattoo

Carved in with a knife, not a tattoo. The Manson girls all did it too after Charlie did.


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the Nazi's [sic] the west is supporting in the Ukraine

Those bad bad Nazis, defending themselves against being invaded, as Nazis do, and having the temerity to resist the will of Mother Russia!!!

Truly the world has never known such evil!


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

I recall listening to a podcast with Nikolas Schreck discussing a new revised, expanded edition of the Manson Files, published 2011.  Have you read it, and what do you think of it if you have

I have not!   Maybe I should.  I haven't done much reading about him since I was a teenager and much more of an edgelady. 

 

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

Whether he thought he could trigger it,  I am not totally convinced. 

 

Helter Skelter referred to the idea of a race war.  It's been said that Manson saw it as impending and thought that the white people would lose but that the black people would need white people to guide them after. But whether or not he intended to trigger it himself is debatable.  

 

There's also the story that the Tate–LaBianca murders were done in an attempt to give Beausoleil 

an alibi to get him released.  I'm not certain of that theory either

 

 

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Didn't they divorce?

Yes.

 

Also, the CoS aren't Theistic Satanists.

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Also are you aware of Shreck's Youtube video about Anton Lavey's hex ritual to destroy the hippies which he later found out was done on the night of the Tate murders?   Probably bullshit though. 

Just remember that Lavey was more showman than magician,and loved doing things for publicity. 

 

For the record, an associate of mine once referred to Manson as "more Osirian than the Pope".  

 

 


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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

@david-dom-lemieux 

Yeah, but the Nazi's the west is supporting in the Ukraine are not actors, except President Zelinski the kleptocrats coke head imp.

 

Sorry we (you and I) were discussing Manson's swastika and you suddenly randomly bring in the invasion of Ukraine and something about 'actors'(?) so I'm wandering are you posting from a nightclub or something?

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@katrice Yes, I had forgotten that, "The copycat murder to exonerate Bobby Beausoleil"  Again with Occam's razor, the simplest explanation  is probably the correct one.  The true motives may never be known.  I believe Manson lived by the convict code "Never squeal"  Now he is dead, and the secrets went with him.


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@ignant666 

Yes the Holomodor made some Ukrainians embrace the Nazi invasion in World War II, gestures not reciprocated by the Third Reich...but after the war by the CIA...

You are wrong, the war was started by the United States with the US coup agains the legitimate government of the Ukraine in 2014 and the subsequent ethnic cleansing attacks against Russian speaking Ukrainians.

As an astute Ukrainian friend explains the present tragedy; that the Ukraine as victims of both the Soviet Union, the Nazi's (both sponsored by the Anglo-Americans) and is now being sacrificed for the a New Khazaria project by the Jewish converts...pushing war between Gentiles...and where on an esoteric level concerns attacks upon the Slavic people as they would be important according to Rudolph Steiner in leading the next Age....

Of course being so certain of your beliefs, why not dust off the doc martins, snort some coke in honor of your leader Zelenski, for he needs dupes go to the Eastern Front!

Instead you should be asking why the actor was told not to join the Minsk Accords for peace, but join NATO instead to ignite World War III.

 

 

 


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You are a lunatic, an anti-Semite, and an apologist for genocide.

In the '30s-'40s, apologists for the Hitler regime at least had the excuse of not knowing the truth about the full horrors perpetrated by the Nazis.

Apologists for the ongoing Putin genocide in Ukraine have no such excuse- it's all right there, live on the internet, and recorded in detail by satellite photography.

Ludicrous lies about "ethnic cleansing attacks against Russian speaking Ukrainians" (like, um, the Russian-speaking "cokehead" President of Ukraine?) aren't going to convince anyone that Russia didn't actually invade Ukraine in February (and in 2014).

And please stop posting this OT "Kremlin Today" bullshit in this thread.


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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Manson was apparently an ecology advocate,

That's what ATWA was about.


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For the record, an associate of mine once referred to Manson as "more Osirian than the Pope".  

 

Well yeah, raped an underage girl on the ranch, raped a boy in jail, was a racist (admired Hitler) and was physically abusive to women (and men.)  Like you say, Osirisian oppressiveness.    

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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Everyone should stop using cars, buses and trucks etc  and learn horse riding.

Ignant would approve of this - except he would demand a clause relative to legal bicycle riding. Also, the Zeppelins could be revived.


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Everyone should stop using cars, buses and trucks etc  and learn horse riding.

Ignant would approve of this - except he would demand a clause relative to legal bicycle riding. Also, the Zeppelins could be revived.

What about rickshaws?

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I have no problem with rickshaws either motorized, pedal-powered, or even old-school ones pulled by running humans provided they are well-paid.

Cars are the source of much of the world's evil, and should be banned, or very very heavily taxed, but unlike some people who keep posting their views about current events, i have sufficient reality-orientation to know that this opinion of mine has zero to do with AC, or his legacy, is likely to be unpopular, and regarded as that of a crank/nut/loony.

So i don't monomaniacally derail topics by talking about this opinion of mine, a habit some might consider emulating.


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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

What about rickshaws?

Fine.


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So i don't monomaniacally derail topics by talking about this opinion of mine, a habit some might consider emulating.

Um, yeah, sorry about my part in that. 

 

So, the O9A, I don't know how much of an ideology they really have, they just seem to take on whatever they feel will be seen as "Evil". Nazism, definitely, but they also claimed to support terrorism too.  They just seem to be edgelords, but they take it further by taking their pose in to reality, or at least some do.  

Really, though, I don't know how many of they go that far. For all of the talk about "opfers" and "culls" on their forums, there would be a lot more murders out there, and the members would all be master criminals in the area of covering their tracks. Still, clearly many of them to walk their talk, I'm just not sure all of them do.  Nonetheless, they are the Satanists who believe that their role is to be evil, and that's what they do.  Or claim to do.  And some of that "evil" seems pretty petty, like the one guy I saw bragging on a forum about how he mixed ground glass in to his neighbor's dog's food after his neighbor did something that annoyed him. 

 

 They,and their Tempel ov Blood cousins, and their imitators, are the Satanists that other Satanists, and most other followers of the LHP, hate.   


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Posted by: @shiva

. Also, the Zeppelins could be revived.

Now we're on an AC related topic in terms of Boleskine House. 

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Given sufficient time, all topics will be locked down for the same reason 🙂


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@ignant666 

Your reflexively calling me an 'anti-semite' is sad defense, and slur, relative to your support of war and denial of ethnic cleansing operations by the west's puppet government actors utilizing actual nazi's in the Ukraine against ethnic Russians, Slavs, in the Ukraine since coup against the legitimate government of the Ukraine by the Obama/Binden administration in 2014...

Anti Russia hysteria is but the scapegoat for globalists interests whose interest, as the interest game of perpetual debt runs its course and necessitates the next step of perpetual war...world war III, where it is the people of the west who now are paying the price. 

Hatred of Putin is but the reflex of bullies who get out staged by a leader not willing to let his country become a satrap for looting in the post Soviet world, under western conditionality's. Thus the irony is that it is the "American System of Economics" that Russia has come to implement, as a nation-state, to defend its people against demographic collapse, is exactly why Russia is prevailing against the west's economic sanctions, hurting western populations and the global south.

Note that the world is not lining up behind the west, but that there are nations around the world, outside of the 'five eyes" and bullied Europe, who recognize that Russia had always been open to peace relative to the Minsk Accords.

Further note that Russia well knows the threat to its existence posed by the multiple bioweapons labs in the Ukraine established by America, and other dangers relative NATO expansion to Russia's boarders

Anyways I hear that Ukraine is seeking recruits, so if you really believe in the cause, well you can go to the Eastern Front as you levitate the Pentagon with positions that are certainly not anti war. The pentagon needs to be buried, to which relative to the OP, it is a fact that the Pentagon and FBI love to cultivate right wing extremist dupes, relative to the oligarchy's divide and conquer strategies, to which the Charlie Manson Helter Skelter race war scam was revived in tuning legitimate civil rights protests into burn baby burn posturing of the KKK Democrat=Republican duopoly for murder and enslavement.

But why should I rant, the Obama's just installed a commercial sized propane tank at their mansion on Martha's Vineyard...at least they will stay warm during the coming "Dark Winter'

Don't forget to get in line for your Monkey Pox vaccine: They will work a intended-Just as Trump's Warp Speed suicide roulette was released without full disclosure, but well the cat's out of the bag, and i am glad that  a self proclaimed liberal like Naomi Wolf is willing to tell the truth, but she said she was kicked out of her synagogue for reporting against the fascist zeitgeist....and yes a Federal Judge denied Pfizer its request to keep papers sealed for decades....and yes they are murdering babies, with scienter!

https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-friends-sorry-to-announce-a?s=r

Enjoy the summer...and maybe I will take a swim to Esopus to get away from this shit.!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Wool gathering and derailment for fun and prophet.

Yes, we were discussing an O9A terrorist. The subject slid over into another Son-of-Man terrorist ... with psychological and sociological guesswork. That's sort of on-topic. The beliefs of abandonment of of internal-comb vehicles related to Manson. Manson was a terrorist like our thread protagonist (antagonist?) ...

We are now on track!

 


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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Enjoy the summer.

That was her name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmQGXvwiNjA

I read Shrek's interview in Zazen Sounds magazine which I thought was quite interesting. I knew very little about him beforehand save that he was with LaVey's daughter doing some Operation Werewolf thing. Although I've read bits here and there, the whole "Church of Satan" thing was never of great interest to me.

In the Zazen Interview, Nicholas talks about a LOT. His relationship with Zeena, hanging out with Anton, Charles Manson and his ultimate rejection of most occultism in favor of his Buddhism. THIS I found very interesting as he was clearly someone who had gone through a lot of transformation.

He regards Manson as a type of Bodhisattva, a figure who had risen above pain and limitation into a transcendent state. I've not read his Manson Files but I thought it was going to be reprinted and more readily available.

I DO like some of Manson's music very much. He can be a powerful "Outsider Poet." I recall an interview where he talked about how disconnected he was from the younger set and all their flower power rock and roll. He said he wanted to be Bing Crosby. 

If one can listen to his recordings and set aside any opinions about him one way or the other, there is a real flowing creativity and pathos coming through. It's low-fi, raw, spontaneous. Tidied up by a more accomplished musician, Manson's material could go the way of songs by Dylan or Daniel Johnson and made more mainstream in the hands of smoother but less inspired artists.

 


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Posted by: @kidneyhawk

If one can listen to his recordings and set aside any opinions about him one way or the other, there is a real flowing creativity and pathos coming through. It's low-fi, raw, spontaneous. Tidied up by a more accomplished musician, Manson's material could go the way of songs by Dylan or Daniel Johnson and made more mainstream in the hands of smoother but less inspired artists.

 

'Nicholas' would quote Adolf Hitler in TV interviews, how you justify that I don't know.  Manson's songs were polished up and released by Guns and Roses,  The Lemonheads and the Beach Boys.

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@ignant666 

Your reflexively calling me an 'anti-semite' is sad defense, and slur, relative to your support of war and denial of ethnic cleansing operations by the west's puppet government actors utilizing actual nazi's in the Ukraine against ethnic Russians, Slavs, in the Ukraine since coup against the legitimate government of the Ukraine by the Obama/Binden administration in 2014...

Anti Russia hysteria is but the scapegoat for globalists interests whose interest, as the interest game of perpetual debt runs its course and necessitates the next step of perpetual war...world war III, where it is the people of the west who now are paying the price. 

Hatred of Putin is but the reflex of bullies who get out staged by a leader not willing to let his country become a satrap for looting in the post Soviet world, under western conditionality's. Thus the irony is that it is the "American System of Economics" that Russia has come to implement, as a nation-state, to defend its people against demographic collapse, is exactly why Russia is prevailing against the west's economic sanctions, hurting western populations and the global south..........etc etc etc 

 

 

Thankyou, Tucker Carlson on acid.

 

What with the above paranoid nonsense and Manson as misunderstood Buddhist saint,  I now officially declare that this forum has gone mad.

 

P.S. Apology for double post.    

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