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18/03/2020 1:34 am  
Posted by: @dom

Picasso

Woodland is a fascinating and beautiful modern art style. Founded by Canadian Indigenous artist Norval Morrisseau(Copper Thunderbird), called the 'Picasso of the North', he depicted many of the legends he was taught.  He caught some criticism early on for revealing secret sacred teachings.

 Androgyny

 

He even studied and incorporated modern belief systems like Eckankar into his syncretic shamanistic work.

Observations of the Astral World

Explaining his understanding of the spiritual world and its many planes of existence, he stated, “There is a museum of the astral world that each individual goes to by his own free choice…to pick up some energy.… All the things that men will create are already up there.”  Morrisseau also described this place as a “House of Inventions” and believed that he visited astral planes where spirits guided him to intuitively conceive of his paintings. Link

 

 

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18/03/2020 1:49 am  

Thanks.  


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18/03/2020 7:21 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

Very cool stuff, @Behemoth ! Not too common to see "Thelemic art" that actually is art, rather than devotional material! Mrs. Shiva is another example of this "Thelemic art that makes it as art" category.

The second painting seems very a propos to several current discussions here.

 

 

Yes, Kauko has claimed that he has solved the "line drawn" through his paintings. All of his kabbalistic/thelemic paintings, to my understanding, also have the grid page of Liber Al as their superstrcuture.

 

 

 

The coordinates of the circle with four squares in Crowley's book fit to Astral Atlas in Allén's painting, and there is also the right keyword "Abrahadabra" in Allén's painting on Nuit's body in two languages.

 

Kauko Allén has drawn the line (as in Crowley's manuscript) on his painting later, when he noticed the parallel between his painting and Crowley's manuscript.

 

 

I personally don't quite understand the exact logic going on here, but from what I've gathered, the line drawn seems to have something to do with the pole star & southern cross according to Kauko.

 

This is another painting of his "Astral Atlas" where the line(s) appears again, and according to Kauko, solves the line drawn mystery.

 

 

 

 

 

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18/03/2020 10:40 am  
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Kyle Fite

After encountering one of @kidneyhawk's collaborative artworks I developed a deeper appreciation for his art in general. 

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Ivy (Shiva's Wife)

The motif in your selections appeals to the chthonic. 🐍

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18/03/2020 10:53 am  

Mark Anthony Jacobson  — Inner Guidance

XON thanks for the woodland art


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18/03/2020 5:42 pm  

@xon

I have a small print by a Canadian Indigenous artist of a moose. I don't understand all the symbolism but it has a calming effect.

 

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Kauko Allén

He's Finnish? 😀  That makes it extra relevant to a Finn/Brit mongrel like myself. 🙂 

 


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18/03/2020 8:50 pm  

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My avatar was made by a Canadian Indigenous artist. Me. Based on traditional teachings and incorporating Thelema.

Glad you find peace with the print.

My favourite moose gif:

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19/03/2020 2:46 am  

After encountering one of @kidneyhawk's collaborative artworks I developed a deeper appreciation for his art in general. 

Zon-may I ask what "collaborative" work you are referring to? I very much enjoy working with others, especially in "game-style" creative spaces. One such space is the "Exquisite Corpse" which I first learned of a child from the classic Highlights magazine (remember Goofus and Gallant?). I did participate in such a work for publication with a notable individual but was unaware of the project ever coming to fruition.

Either way, I am always glad when anyone enjoys my work and I thank you kindly.

     


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19/03/2020 4:35 am  

Hi kidneyhawk,

Thank you for taking the time to inquire. 'Collaborative' was meant in the sense of working with others on an egregore using your artwork as the focus. The specific one being referred to would be from around 2006.

This spectacularly departed darling creature:

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19/03/2020 5:54 pm  

@xon

I never did see a moose in the wild when I lived in Finland, but the natural landscape and the animals that live in it are definitely part of the Finnish spirit. 

The moose I have is very similar to this one I found:

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20/03/2020 2:13 am  

Well, I know what I like (= in answer to the question).

Nutshellishly yours

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23/03/2020 3:02 am  
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the natural landscape and the animals that live in it are definitely part of the Finnish spirit. 

Agreed, these types of relationships to nature and spiritual truths are cross cultural.

Like the similarity to my avatar in a detail within Kauko Allén's thelemic paintings. Although we both arrived at slightly different expressions, yet there is a harmony in their nature and spirituality. Much respect for the Finnish spirit.

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23/03/2020 12:54 pm  

Here is one Swastika-Boy will probably adore- it has a swastika! By the German anti-Nazi collage artist John Heartfield.

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More swastikas for those that love them. Again by Heartfield; the caption reads "Hurrah, There’s No Butter Left! Goering in his Hamburg speech: “Ore [iron] has always made an empire strong, butter and lard have made a people fat at most.”

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Since the mid 20th century, the swastika means one thing, and one thing only. Anyone who says "it's just a symbol" does not understand much about magick, talismans, or the power of millions of ardent devotees, and millions slaughtered, to charge a symbol with ineradicable meaning.

Swastika-Boy claims that his display of the swastika is OK, and he has a right to use this repugnant symbol without facing social opprobrium, because he has appropriated this symbol from US Plains Indian culture, and he claims descent from some Canadian tribe (that he won't identify). This makes no sense.

Even if his claims of Native ancestry were true, this would still be a lame defense of his use of the swastika. The US Plains are more than a thousand miles away from the Canadian coast, with the Rocky Mountains in between.

US Plains Indian culture and Western Canadian Coastal Indian cultures have literally nothing at all to do with each other, and nothing in common other than their common status as objects of genocide by white colonizers. The Nazis killed both "Gypsies"/Romany, and Jews, but that does not make a Jew a "Gypsy", or vice versa.

As Swastika-Boy's own recent postings show, hard-edged geometrical forms like his swastika avatar form no part of the traditional art and culture of any tribal group in the Pacific Northwest of the US or western coastal Canada. Organic animal, fish, bird, and plant forms are the main motifs of coastal Native art. Swastikas are an occasional decorative motif in US Plains Indian culture, where symbols somewhat similar to Swastika-Boy's avatar are indeed to be found.

But Swastika-Boy can no more claim any connection with those cultures than i can. And his use of the swastika is not rooted in any genuine Native spiritual tradition. He just digs swastikas, and likes them best when they are in the Nazi Party colors of red, black, white, and gold.

 


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23/03/2020 1:39 pm  

Here is one Swastika-Boy will probably adore- it has a swastika! By the German anti-Nazi collage artist John Heartfield.

 

Hahah!

Xon's image looks circular, you have to look harder to see a type of half-swastika behind the circle.   If you did a survey of a 100 about 3 or 5 would see a swastika. 

 

Anyway here is a brilliant rare documentary on Jean Cocteau, friend to Picasso, Satie, Stravinsky and more.  he drew, painted, wrote poetry, plays and made surreal movies the effects used still look impressive.   I guess you could say he was an occultist. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbCxu-iPC5M&t=5s

 


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23/03/2020 2:00 pm  
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Hahah!

Funnier, in the bizarre sense, is the mistaken simpleton racist assumption being made by pignant that Indigenous people in Canada can't move to other parts of the country.

 

Linda Macfarlane's portraiture work conveys presence in a manner that could be described as tapping into the essence of the subject.

 

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23/03/2020 2:04 pm  

Circular swastikas are very popular among current neo-Nazis. Display of the swastika is strictly banned in Germany and i believe other European countries, and there are may efforts to circumvent this ban with symbols very similar to Swastika-Boy's avatar.

The sonnenrad/ "Black Sun" symbol is one very well-known neo-Nazi symbol that is "not quite a swastika" (image linked by google image search to the neo-Nazi Stormfront site- maybe our Canadian Comrade can find some like-minded swastika-loving pals there?)

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The Nazis used circular swastikas a good deal. The most notable example is probably the original Volkswagen logo:

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Swastika-Boy's avatar is also quite similar to the 1920s Romanian Fascist party symbol (four Fs; must not mean the same thing it does in the US):

And that of the proto-Nazi Thule Gesellschaft:

https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/images/279/27935.jpg

And many other examples easily found by googling "circular swastika". I'm not going to link to the many neo-Nazi, "Aryan", "Pro-White" etc websites this will turn up.

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the mistaken simpleton racist assumption being made by pignant that Indigenous people in Canada can't move to other parts of the country.

Oh, put a sock in it already. First i was a racist for not respecting your Indigenous culture (yeah right, sure) as an Indigenous inhabitant of Vancouver, posting art rooted in the native culture of that region.

When i point out that the Native art/culture/tradition of that region doesn't include swastikas, or "medicine wheels", all of a sudden i am a racist for not realizing you must have moved there from Saskatchewan, after your great grandparents moved there from the plains of North Dakota.

Yeah, sure.


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23/03/2020 2:09 pm  

Circular swastikas are very popular among current neo-Nazis. Display of the swastika is strictly banned in Germany and i believe other European countries, and there are may efforts to circumvent this ban with symbols very similar to Swastika-Boy's avatar.

 

Ah I stand corrected, yes I see what you mean about circular swastikas.  

 

@Xon

 

You're not an active racist are you? 


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23/03/2020 2:22 pm  

@dom Not in any way. Diversity is important as is love and respect for other cultures and people, but not to the dimishment of my own.

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23/03/2020 3:16 pm  
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...love and respect for other cultures and people, but not to the dimishment [sic] of my own.

 

What culture exactly would that be, anyway, Swastika-Boy? Why so coy?

 


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23/03/2020 9:12 pm  
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What culture exactly would that be, anyway, Swastika-Boy? Why so coy?

I think this is a legitimate and valid question. That our Choronzonic Canadian Comrade hasn't gotten around to answering in the six (6) hours since i asked it, despite finding time to post in at least one other thread since.

Swastika-Boy has repeatedly accused me of bigotry, and racism, and advocacy of violence towards "Indigenous peoples", because i have mocked, and attacked, his use of a swastika as an avatar as repugnant, disgusting, disrespectful of the millions of victims of the Nazi genocide, vile, and, at the very least, in the poorest possible taste.

Further, he has said* that

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I'm [...] Indigenous, registered as such, [and] participate in the culture and endured the ordeals in [Canada].

Oooh, ordeals.

As Swastika-Boy surely knows, as an Indigenous person "registered as such", Indian/Native American/Indigenous/"First Nations" cultures are very, very diverse, and have little in common with each other (other than the common experience of genocide). They consist of many tribes (the term more often used in US law), and bands (the term more often used in Canadian law). They are not a monolith with a "medicine wheel" swastika as a central symbol.

So exactly what culture am i "dimishing" when i object to our Choronzonic Canadian Comrade's use of a swastika as an avatar?

If Swastika-Boy is forgetful, it will be the culture, band, or tribe whose name appears in the "Registry Group No. and Name" field of his "Secure Certificate Of Indian Status" photo ID card. The one that he has as a "registered" Indigenous person. Such cards are issued by the Canadian government to persons who can prove their "Indian status" (ancestry), as defined by the Indian Act as amended.

A Canadian who doesn't have a "Secure Certificate Of Indian Status" photo ID card, but says he is "Indigenous, [and] registered as such", is either a liar, or a delusional person. So, of course, our good Comrade must have his SCIS, and surely knows what band he is registered in, or can check his card if he's a bit forgetful.

While we wait for Swastika-Boy to get around to identifying exactly which culture it is that i've been "dimishing", in recognition of the fact that there's been some recent discussion of methamphetamine around the place, and in an effort to continue with the OT, here is a rather nice bit of art by my old speed connect, the ex-Mennonite who knew some members of the Pagans Motorcycle Club. Done years after we were working together in the early '80s, of course. [Hello Larry, if you see this some day]

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* See his post at https://www.lashtal.com/forums/lashtal-com-announcements/new-forum-software-and-site-tweaks/#post-101396


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23/03/2020 9:27 pm  
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If you're just guessing you're right I'm not Native American because I'm not from the USA. That doesn't mean I'm not Indigenous, registered as such, participate in the culture and endured the ordeals in a neighbouring nation.

 

Notice the cautious, "That doesn't mean I'm not...". Well, he's correct that his not being from the United States doesn't imply that he isn't part of an indigenous culture elsewhere. But neither is his statement a forthright claim to being so. 


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23/03/2020 9:45 pm  

Yes, Arthur, i had indeed noticed the weasel words, and labored and lawyerly locution there, but am assuming, in good faith, that our good friend would surely not post endless butt-hurt protestations about me being racist in calling him on his use of an "Indigenous" swastika, if he were not in fact "Indigenous", and "registered as such".

But you are correct that, strictly speaking, he makes no such claim in the post i quote.

In fact, he has been at great pains to endlessly imply, but never, ever quite outright state, that he is, in real-life fact, a bona fide member of what the Canadian government calls an "Indian band". One wonders why.

It is also interesting to note that he never got around to mentioning his roots in this important spiritual lineage, and his implied participation in the "ordeals" thereof, during his first 12 years posting here.

A nice piece of anti-Nazi Pop Art by Roy Lichtenstein.

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23/03/2020 10:32 pm  
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One wonders why.

Indeed.


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23/03/2020 10:58 pm  
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Indeed.

Fact checking is a valuable skill before making a judgement based on only one side's claims which appear obviously biased, @arthuremerson.

 

Here's a post from a this thread, this very page even, about a dozen above yours. 

You're not even following the conversation and you've already made up your mind it seems.

This would even very easily be found if you checked my post history. 

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My avatar was made by a Canadian Indigenous artist. Me. Based on traditional teachings and incorporating Thelema.

Glad you find peace with the print.

My favourite moose gif:

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As for why I won't give anymore personal information is because he has threatened violence, used abusive language, harassed across multiple threads, used personal information that he's gleaned with malicious intent for personal attacks, misrepresented my words, lied about my reactions, and taken no responsibility for himself and his lack of self-control. Even boasting that he doesn't want to control himself or deal with his personal issues.  And this started long before I changed my avatar. 

There is no indication that giving any more personal information or participating in conversation will improve anything. He's got a personal problem and that's his to deal with, not me. 

 

Slightly On Topic:

Advertisements can be art. This is beautiful and one of my favourites. 

Canadian Centre of Diversity and Inclusion - Free AF

 

More on topic:

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23/03/2020 11:26 pm  

@xon

 

My avatar was made by a Canadian Indigenous artist. Me.

The Inuit? Métis? First Nations?

 

I guess you want to keep anonymity like almost everyone who posts here?

 

https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/aboriginal-people

 


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23/03/2020 11:45 pm  

I'm a British Celt with a tiny tiny % of Italian/Iberian...probably due to some Roman soldier stationed in the UK at the time of christ.  

 

My present avatar is presumably Australian Aboriginal psychedelic traditional art.

Apologies for double post.   


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24/03/2020 12:07 am  
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As for why I won't give anymore personal information is because he has threatened violence, used abusive language, harassed across multiple threads, used personal information that he's gleaned with malicious intent for personal attacks, misrepresented my words, lied about my reactions, and taken no responsibility for himself and his lack of self-control. Even boasting that he doesn't want to control himself or deal with his personal issues.  And this started long before I changed my avatar.

So it is "personal information" exactly what "Indian band" you may, or may not, be "registered as such" as a member of?

It is "personal information" to divulge exactly which "Indigenous culture" i am "dimishing" when i point out that your use of a swastika as your avatar is vile?

You are upset that i have "used personal information that [i've] gleaned with malicious intent for personal attacks". I am sorry that you feel threatened when folks have good memories, and can remember the "personal information" you have chosen to post on a public Internet forum, and then (can you imagine the nerve!) have the gall to quote you.

It may be that we must accept the painful possibility that our Choronzonic Canadian Comrade may be a great big fibber, and no more a real-life, off-line, actual, genuine, bona fide,  card-carrying member of any Indian band than my Aunt Gertrude is. And i  haven't even got an Aunt Gertrude.

 

 


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24/03/2020 1:03 am  

It may be that we must accept the painful possibility that our Choronzonic Canadian Comrade may be a great big fibber, and no more a real-life, off-line, actual, genuine, bona fide, card-carrying member of any Indian band than my Aunt Gertrude is. And i haven't even got an Aunt Gertrude.

 

So he's a white Canadian maybe?

 


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24/03/2020 1:16 am  
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So he's a white Canadian maybe?

Ya think? Maybe?

It certainly does seem at least possible that our Choronzonic Canadian Comrade may not always stick to the strict, dull, unromantic, prosaic, truth.

And it is certain that he is a whining, self-pitying, passive-aggressive, psycho-babble-spouting person who really digs swastikas, and has never denied carrying a water bottle, and not eating cheese.

I rest my case (for now, until Swastika-Boy posts still more whining about me persecuting poor little him).


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24/03/2020 1:23 am  

It certainly does seem at least possible that our Choronzonic Canadian Comrade may not always stick to the strict, dull, unromantic, prosaic, truth. 

 

Well I asked a direct question about indigenous identity.


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24/03/2020 1:29 am  
Posted by: @dom

 

I guess you want to keep anonymity like almost everyone who posts here?

 

For now.😶  If the board suddenly becomes more good-natured there is good chance of my opening up. What's been shared is plenty and there is a lot more to talk about than me. 😌

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I'm a British Celt with a tiny tiny % of Italian/Iberian...probably due to some Roman soldier stationed in the UK at the time of christ.  

 

My present avatar is presumably Australian Aboriginal psychedelic traditional art.

A rich and fascinating heritage. That's plenty for me to know about you(not going to grill ya) and no more detailed than Indigenous Canadian.

Australian Aboriginal art is gorgeous and has a mysterious quality the viewer can sink into before they know they're inside it.

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24/03/2020 1:30 am  
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Fact checking is a valuable skill before making a judgement based on only one side's claims which appear obviously biased, @arthuremerson.

 

Here's a post from a this thread, this very page even, about a dozen above yours. 

You're not even following the conversation and you've already made up your mind it seems.

This would even very easily be found if you checked my post history.

Facts. I made no claim about any fact(s) other than that you didn't directly claim any indigenous heritage in the post to which I was referring -- y'know by quoting it. On that score, the claim I made about the fact (what you wrote) is, so far as I can see, true. I then shared the opinion that one might think you coy. The only fact involved in an opinion is the fact(s) constituted by the mental state(s) of the being who shares it.

Speaking of facts. I am familiar with the post you've linked to. (That's not the post my comment was referring to; but that much should have been obvious to you.) I have, in point of fact, read nearly every post on this site since 2006 when I originally joined, under the moniker "arthuremerson" (notice your prescient Freudian slip). I have not been able to recover that account. The rest ought to be obvious. 

Facts. The word is bandied about as though it were a synonym for the word "truth". A dreadful state of affairs it seems to me. For some thinkers, both ancient and contemporary, the term "fact" refers to states of affairs -- that is to say that it refers to how the world/reality is actually arranged. More carefully said, the term "fact" and the term "state of affairs" both denote the same thing: the way reality is arranged. Things that are truth-apt, that is that can have a truth-value, are, on the view to which I'm referring, made (not a causal relationship) true by facts. You can find this view in Plato, though he didn't use the term "fact". The truth for Plato appears to be something like a correspondence between the way things are and what we say about them. The way things contingently are (we'll stay out of Plato's heaven for now) for Plato is what  properties (Forms) objects really have. Consider the following statement: "thearthuremerson sits in his chair right now". This statement is true according to Plato if and only if thearthuremerson really has the property (Form) of sitting right now. Plato is not alone. Correspondence theories of truth abound even these ~2500 years removed.

In the Tractatus, Wittgenstein, before he throws away the ladder, countenances an ontology of facts. Facts are the fundamental entities, not objects or things. The nearly inscrutable Tractatus is clear at least about this much.

1.1 The world is the totality of facts, not of things.

Consider also what he says about facts an their representation:

2.21 A picture agree with reality or fails to agree; it is correct or incorrect, true or false.

Sentences are pictures according to Wittgenstein, that is they either accurately or inaccurately depict the world (W's logic in the Tractatus is bivalent):

2.222 The agreement or disagreement with its sense of reality constitutes its truth or falsity.

2.223 In order to tell whether a picture is true or false we must compare it with reality.

For Wittgenstein, too, there is a difference between a truth and a fact.

This is all a very rough and brief sketch of Wittgenstein's (early) thought about truth, falsity, and their relationship to facts, of course. But why all of this talk of facts when the subject is modern art? And why Wittgenstein? 

In the first place, to introduce a distinction I think important. Mind you, one needn't ascribe to a correspondence theory of truth to hold that there is a difference between a fact and a truth.

In the second, to share one of my favorite pieces of modern art, if it may be called that: Huas Wittgenstein -- the house Wittgenstein designed, down to the doorknobs and radiators, for his sister, Margaret Stonborough-Wittgenstein. I would love to see it in the flesh one day.

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24/03/2020 1:39 am  

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A rich and fascinating heritage

 

Is it?  Is there any background that isn't 'rich and fascinating'?


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24/03/2020 2:03 am  
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@xon

 

Is it?  Is there any background that isn't 'rich and fascinating'?

1.Yes.

2. Not in my experience so far.

This just reminded of one of my favourite pieces of art. A historical account of the Tonga tribe and Nyami Nyami.

This isn't a Tonga artifact, but a modern carving made by an artisan from a neighbouring region. Lovely nonetheless. It's like a vision.

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24/03/2020 2:50 am  

A piece of Thelemically relevant "modern art" by H.R. Giger:

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"Life Cycle Hieroglyphics", painted for the movie "Alien" but didn't make the final cut.


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24/03/2020 11:50 am  

@xon

We were there talking about you and that may seem rude, I don't mean to isolate you.
You reproduced the following about Ignant's animosity;

Posted by: @ignant666
And any time you want find out if i'm a "wanna-be tough guy", my offer stays open. I'm so damn insecure, i'm liable to make you lie down and bleed, just by getting near me.
That's quite a violent impetus taking hold of you. Anger management issues? If you can't control it, get professional help

You may've missed Ignant's posts which were a bio about how he physically confronted nazis in New York so what he is saying to you is he is not a mouth-piece but actually took action for real and there was bloodshed. I have a mixed race frined, he is a gentle giant and he told me that he was provoked by a nazi in a club where the latter took it upon himself to vociferate his revulsion for mixed-race sex. Well, what followed i heard was not traditional 'gentlemanly' behaviour if you catch my drift but that has not altered my view about my friend as being a gentleman. It's hard going watching a documentary on e.g. the German invasion of Poland and I'm not sure you have checked out any such documentary have you?


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24/03/2020 12:19 pm  

Also, I love this AC painting haha so freaky.

 

Hippy art, I think it's Crumb;

 

This one is for Shiva, I take it Ed Roth did acid?;

 


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24/03/2020 12:55 pm  
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Hippy art, I think it's Crumb;

Gilbert Shelton, doing a hommage to Basil Wolverton. Shelton is best known for The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers, and Freewheelin' Franklin's famous maxim:

CEREBRAL BOINKFEST: The Freak Brothers - Still Furry and ...

So true.

As to comix, i am a huge fan of the Silver Age DC stuff that i read as a kid, especially that era's Batman. My younger brother used to draw for Valiant Comics years ago.

In underground comix, Spain Rodriguez' Trashman- Agent of The Sixth International was just too up my alley. He's a street-fighting anarchist-communist James Bond/Mad Max, whose appearance is based on the Zig-Zag Man found on the once-ubiquitous rolling papers. I have a copy of the Trashman complete reprint volume with a personal inscription: "TO [ignant] GIVE EM HELL- SPAIN"

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Cap'n's Comics: Trashman by Spain


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24/03/2020 1:24 pm  

@ignant666

 

Ah yes The Freak brothers I think I've read every issue, very funny.    There was an issue where they need a lawyer desperately and they go and see Attorney at Law Frank 'Jo Stalin' Smith (something like that) some googly-eyed leftist on the other side of town haha.

 

Did you see the issue where Freddie or one of them puts weed in the tea of the executive board room?   It's relevant to this thread as when Freddie comes back an hour later they are all adorned like cavemen shouting things to each other like" Right I'm a Celt and I'm gonna fuck you up" and "I'm a Saxon I'm gonna wreck you all" or "Right I'm a Navajo and you're all on my land!!"

Haha that Trashman looks crazy.  Yeah cool that your brother drew for Valiant


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25/03/2020 6:31 pm  
Posted by: @dom

We were there talking about you and that may seem rude, I don't mean to isolate you.
You reproduced the following about Ignant's animosity;

Posted by: @ignant666
And any time you want find out if i'm a "wanna-be tough guy", my offer stays open. I'm so damn insecure, i'm liable to make you lie down and bleed, just by getting near me.

You may've missed Ignant's posts which were a bio about how he physically confronted nazis in New York so what he is saying to you is he is not a mouth-piece but actually took action for real and there was bloodshed. I have a mixed race frined, he is a gentle giant and he told me that he was provoked by a nazi in a club where the latter took it upon himself to vociferate his revulsion for mixed-race sex. Well, what followed i heard was not traditional 'gentlemanly' behaviour if you catch my drift but that has not altered my view about my friend as being a gentleman. It's hard going watching a documentary on e.g. the German invasion of Poland and I'm not sure you have checked out any such documentary have you?

That doesn't excuse his behavior. Look at the post that led to that quote:

Posted by: @ignant666

C'mon down to NYC, and test my acting skills. Old as i am, i will make you act, and cry for your mama.

Anyway, i was born ready. When you get ready, and get local, let me know, i know lots of secluded places where we can meet. 

Embarrassing nonsense. 

He's even uses racially offensive terms for Indigenous people in his personal attacks.

Posted by: @ignant666

Happy Thanksgiving to all Americans, a happy belated Thanksgiving to all Canadians (even "First Nations"/"Red Indian" mal)

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/postid/101545/

Many of the Site Guidelines have been violated by this user. Repeatedly. And not only toward myself, but towards many users.

Aggressive language, personal attacks and threats will not be tolerated. Offensive or abusive behaviour is not permitted: contributions must be constructive and polite. Unlawful or objectionable content is not permitted: harassing, defamatory, abusive, threatening, harmful, homophobic, racially offensive or otherwise objectionable items are not acceptable. Contributions that promote or appear to promote activities unlawful in the UK or USA are prohibited.

As to the symbol itself, it should be noted that there was no similar clamorous reaction from him regarding the art of Kauko Allén in this thread which featured similar art in its detail as to my current avatar.

His attacks has been strictly focused on myself and Indigenous peoples in an attempt to draw a connection with Nazi-ism that isn't there.

A couple users in another thread even understood there was a difference and tried to explain it to him:

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/postid/104829/

Posted by: @nassah

Wow, @ignant, I don't know who @xon is and why you react so hard (capital letters) on his post but his (avatar?) design look's like Navajo one to me. Love, Light, Life and Liberty for Law.

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/postid/104859/

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For what it's worth, @ignant666, while I usually find you pretty erudite and your posts worth reading, I think you might have dropped the ball in this case.

The symbol Xon is using does in fact appear to be a Dakota tribe medicine wheel, as North Dakota 4th graders apparently know...

https://www.ndstudies.gov/gr4/american-indians-north-dakota/section-8-religion

Those are very much appreciated.

Have you done any studying about the genocide of Indigenous peoples and the suppression of Indigenous culture in North America? The suppression of Indigenous culture by racists is still ongoing. It has been reduced in recent years through reconciliation and protective legislation and things are improving in Canada. 

 

Alex Janvier

Morning Star

We hold the Earth fro Hell away. 🌹


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25/03/2020 9:01 pm  

A small selection of my favourite modern artists (1860s to 1970s according to the term) of both 'high brow' fine art, and the so-called ninth art of bandes dessinees are in no order:

 

Salvador Dali 

 

Claude Monet

 

Nicholas Roerich

 

Andre Franquin (creator of great comics Gaston Lagaffe and main artist of Spirou et Fantasio among others:

 

 Albert Uderzo (RIP yesterday - illustrator of Asterix and others)

 

 

My favourite contemporary artists who I own originals of are:

 

Wiley Trieff

 

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Gary Dickinson

 

Kyle Fite

 

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25/03/2020 9:38 pm  

Swastika-Boy: Willing to bet i am more knowledgeable about North American Indian cultures, religions and religious practices, art, and ways of life, than you.

And one more time- I was not being "racist" when i mockingly referred to you as a "Red Indian" in my Thanksgiving greeting. "Red Indian" is a cultural stereotype constructed by white people who exoticize Indians as a racial other. People like you.

White people like you, who cos-play as "Indigenous", are bad enough. But when you couple your cos-play with the use of a swastika as your avatar, and then your whining, self-righteous defense of your "right" to use Nazi imagery, you cross a line.

If you want to continue this discussion, i suggest you start another topic. How about "I am still totally butt-hurt that not everyone digs my swastika avatar as much as i do" as a thread title?


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25/03/2020 11:30 pm  

@xon

 

If you think that Ignant considers indigenous Americans to be inferior deduced from his use of the term 'Red Indian' in that argument then you must be crazy.  This is not a racist person we are talking about.  I get the impression you are using that as a distraction. 

 

The avatar which you have now  shed you claim looked like this Dakota one but the Dakota one was a lot more basic in design;

https://www.ndstudies.gov/gr4/american-indians-north-dakota/section-8-religion

 

Your avatar was more Nordic, colourful, but Nordic-like. 

 

I'll be honest I'm beginning to think that you are a nut.  If you were to at least tell us your actual Indigenous tribe then I'll begin to see some sort of redeemed individual.   This is like the RTC hold-back all over again.  


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25/03/2020 11:49 pm  
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@xon

 

If you think that Ignant considers indigenous Americans to be inferior deduced from his use of the term 'Red Indian' in that argument then you must be crazy.  This is not a racist person we are talking about.  I get the impression you are using that as a distraction. 

 

The avatar which you have now  shed you claim looked like this Dakota one but the Dakota one was a lot more basic in design;

https://www.ndstudies.gov/gr4/american-indians-north-dakota/section-8-religion

 

Your avatar was more Nordic, colourful, but Nordic-like. 

 

I'll be honest I'm beginning to think that you are a nut.  If you were to at least tell us your actual Indigenous tribe then I'll begin to see some sort of redeemed individual.   This is like the RTC hold-back all over again.  

@dom

Anyone knowledgeable about the history of Indigenous peoples and the origin of Redskin/Red Indian and American Thanksgiving would be aware of its offensive history to Indigenous peoples and would not be using it without awareness.

 

Interview with Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz(author of An Indigenous Peoples' History of the United States) timestamped to 13:51 for reference to Redskin.:

Thanksgiving to 'Redskins' - Dispelling American Myths That Hide Native Genocide

https://www.globalresearch.ca/american-thanksgiving-a-pure-glorification-of-racist-barbarity/5359622

 

The book is a good place to start if you want to learn more. 

 

To add a bit of info about artist Alex Janvier, he's considered the first Canadian Indigenous modernist. 

 

 

We hold the Earth fro Hell away. 🌹


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25/03/2020 11:54 pm  

@xon

Any psychiatrist will tell you if one person points out a problem then it's probably worth ignoring.  However if another and yet another point it out to you then it's very likely to be true.  I don't give a left hoot about 'Red Indian' this or that.     You're looking like a non-indigenous person with a strange self-image issue.    What's your indigenous tribe then?


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25/03/2020 11:56 pm  

mal/xon/whatever: Oh, put a sock in it.

You have changed your offensive avatar, and i have nothing more to say, unless you change it back again, or engage in further nonsensical passive-aggressive attacks.


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26/03/2020 12:06 am  
Posted by: @dom

I don't give a left hoot about 'Red Indian' this or that.   

Of course you don't. 

Posted by: @dom

What's your indigenous tribe then?

As was already explained to you with reasons given that information is not forthcoming. 

 

A little more information about Janvier's Morning Star:

Janvier titled the work Morning Star in reference to the star's use as a direction-finder. He planned the four areas of colour in the outside ring to represent periods in Native history: yellow, for early history in harmony with nature; blue, for the changes brought about by contact with European civilization; red, for revival and optimism; and white for reconciliation and a return to harmony.

We hold the Earth fro Hell away. 🌹


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26/03/2020 12:28 am  
Posted by: @xon

 

Posted by: @dom

What's your indigenous tribe then?

As was already explained to you with reasons given that information is not forthcoming. 

 

 

I'll look forward to it!


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27/03/2020 3:01 am  
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I'll look forward to it!

Why?

We hold the Earth fro Hell away. 🌹


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27/03/2020 3:30 am  
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Thelemically relevant "modern art" by H.R. Giger

His Major Arcana designs are top tier, very creepy but very cool, the best tarot-based art I've seen. Its a shame he never made the full deck (as far as I know), but it doesn't really matter, the quality more than makes up for it.

01 The Magician

 

07 The Chariot

 

His design for "The World/Universe" has one of the best visual interpretations of this card I've seen:

21 The World

As above so below / Holographic Universe / "the little world my sister", at least that's what I see in it. 🙂 

 

I've put them all in a .zip file (in better quality) if you want 'em:

https://mega.nz/#F!BKB3EYzI!bLVskLnjRWChCsy0VQvjxw

Bear in mind some of them are a bit "rude", so if you are offended by that sort of thing, don't look. 😉 


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