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obscurus
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11/11/2011 8:15 pm  

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

AL II: LV Thou shalt obtain the order & value of the English Alphabet; thou shalt find new symbols to attribute them unto.

Is there anything new on this? What is the latest thought?

Love is the law, love under will.


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Shiva
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12/11/2011 3:16 pm  
"obscuruspaintus" wrote:
the order & value of the English Alphabet;
thou shalt find new symbols to attribute them unto.

Liber Trigrammaton sub figura XXVII:
Being the Book of the Trigrams of the Mutations of the Tao with the Yin and the Yang. The full knowledge of the interpretation of this book is concealed from all. The Practicus must nevertheless acquire a copy and throughly acquaint himself with the contents, and commit them to memory.

"obscuruspaintus" wrote:
Is there anything new on this? What is the latest thought?

I figure the "memory" part is not necessary or even desirable, class A pub or not, because Crowley (yea, even him), said the results of this book were not satisfactory.

"The attribution in Liber Trigrammation is good theoretically; but no Qabalah of merit has arisen therefrom. (Surely it is a little early for that; a good Qabalah may take a few hundred years to unfold.) I am inclined to look further into the question of Sanskrit Roots, and into the Enochian Records, in order to put this matter in more polished shape."
- The New Comment - Liber Al

If the trigrams of Trigrammaton were removed and the text retained, you get a step by step overview of the process of creation, ending up with "men began to light fires on the earth."
I find that to be interesting reading, but as to the numbers and the letters, I find no use. Perhaps someone else has solved the riddle of this intellectual (Hod) mystery?


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12/11/2011 3:34 pm  

Greg Bear once wrote this neat little book about a race of human beings living inside of a sort of wormhole, that had developed a pictographic language and the requisite tech for it to become a very fast visual language wherein the spoken and written word was a slow supplement. I think that's pretty much the directions we're going, so the new alphabet of the Qabalah will probably be a geometric and visual one rather than linguistic one. We can kind of see the basic evolution of such already. 🙂

A visual language swaps over the present brain hemisphere dominance.

I guess the Chinese have a leg up!


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12/11/2011 6:21 pm  

The Book of Mutations

"It is practically a cottage industry among Thelemites to attempt fulfilling these words from Liber AL vel Legis. One can find dozens of examples of number-letter correspondences, and the idiosyncratic deconstructions they inspire, scattered across the Internet. After a little investigation, one often comes away with a feeling that English qabalah is the mystical equivalent of playing with a children's chemistry set - take numbers, add letters, and stir vigorously until it stinks, foams, turns a funny color, or explodes.

If this is so, then Leo Gillis is a Mendeleev in a world of pre-teen kitchen-table alchemists. The Book of Mutations is in a class entirely by itself.

The book begins with an exposition of Liber Trigrammaton, a woefully underappreciated Thelemic Holy Book that Aleister Crowley called "the ultimate foundation of the highest theoretical Qabalah." Using Crowley's own commentary to Trigrammaton, and applying a single, simple key insight, Gillis proceeds to unfold the promise of Crowley's lofty description.

The great strength of the resulting system is that it doesn't rest on arbitrary novelty. Its power comes from the elegant mathematical structure already present in Liber Trigrammaton. It's worth noting that this basis on the formal mathematical features of Trigrammaton make much of the work applicable to any English gematria - so there is plenty of material worth paying attention to even if one doesn't accept Crowley's letter attributions as primary. Thelemic mathematicians like Norman Mudd and C.F. Russell could easily have had the same central insight that drives Gillis' work, but simply didn't. This also means that the system rests integrally on Thelemic metaphysics, a distinction held by no other system of English Qabalah.

Gillis demonstrates through the rest of the book how Trigrammaton English Qabalah can be used to inform almost every aspect of magickal theory and practice - calendrical observances, divination, ritual practice, Tarot, sacred geometry, textual analysis, and so on. The scope of the work alone is breathtaking. Some may find the 1111 page length daunting, but this is really several books in one, a veritable encyclopedia of valuable information and technique.

This reviewer feels The Book of Mutations is easily the most significant post-Crowley work of Thelemic Qabalah yet published. It is essential reading for any Thelemite with even a passing interest in Qabalah and further study of its mysteries." - Reader Review


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12/11/2011 11:56 pm  

Dwtw

A selection of the key results in Trigrammaton research can be found here:

http://trigrammaton.com/

It is worth noting that Shiva has only quoted the New Comment in the post above. To give the full context, in AC's Old Comment he remarks simply "Done. See Liber Trigrammaton". So his initial response was that Liber XXVII fulfilled AL II:55. Being unable to understand how exactly it accomplished this, he later commented that the results were unsatisfactory.
But as the research shows, his initial intuition was correct.

We might forgive Uncle Al for this confusion; even Einstein thought the Cosmological Constant his 'greatest blunder', but it has been resurrected as an explanation for new discoveries in cosmology. Sometimes one's gut instinct proves to be sound, even in the absence of immediate evidence to support it.

Litlluw
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13/11/2011 3:45 am  
"Dar" wrote:
I think that's pretty much the directions we're going, so the new alphabet of the Qabalah will probably be a geometric and visual one rather than linguistic one. We can kind of see the basic evolution of such already. 🙂

A visual language swaps over the present brain hemisphere dominance.

I guess the Chinese have a leg up!

The American Tarot Master, Paul Foster Case worked within these lines and developed a system utilizing the mathematics of music and the vibratory tones of colour to correspond to the Qabalah and Tarot at much larger scale than previously explored. One may listen to a most interesting podcast show on this here:

http://www.occultofpersonality.net/podcast-42-the-life-and-work-of-dr-paul-foster-case/


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13/11/2011 1:13 pm  
"666TSAEB" wrote:
"Dar" wrote:
I think that's pretty much the directions we're going, so the new alphabet of the Qabalah will probably be a geometric and visual one rather than linguistic one. We can kind of see the basic evolution of such already. 🙂

A visual language swaps over the present brain hemisphere dominance.

I guess the Chinese have a leg up!

The American Tarot Master, Paul Foster Case worked within these lines and developed a system utilizing the mathematics of music and the vibratory tones of colour to correspond to the Qabalah and Tarot at much larger scale than previously explored. One may listen to a most interesting podcast show on this here:

http://www.occultofpersonality.net/podcast-42-the-life-and-work-of-dr-paul-foster-case/

I was thinking of an emergent visual language earlier - one coming about and evolving when large numbers of people are wearing those glasses where the screen is beamed onto your eyeball and can network with people in their local area, and we can 'pict' to each other while talking. Or some other sort of sci-fi sounding thing that we'll find next week is about to become reality. There'll probably be languages that develop within languages - specialists groups talking techie symbols that aren't generally recognised, so maybe we'll see Mr Cases language being signed one day by occultists and magicians?

Thanks very much for the link. 🙂 I'm going to enjoy listening to this now over my morning hot chocolate.


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obscurus
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14/11/2011 11:18 am  

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

Thank you one and all for standing in the door on this one. Of all the lines in The Book Of The Law none has troubled me more than this one.
Cast your mind back in time...through the years. Remember sitting at the rows of desks during your school years. There was always that kid who would drop his pencil to the floor and try to look up the girls dress who was sitting behind him or try to peak at the answers you were writing while he picked it up. I am that kid. Always looking for the fast and easy answer. Letters and numbers have always given me a devil of a time. I suppose we may make many hundreds more trips around the sun before it comes to fruit? But then the face of a mountian can be changed by a landslide which is triggered by dislodging the smallest pebble.
Thank you for the above links, they will keep me occuppied for quite some time.
My best wishes to you.

Love is the law, love under will.

We are the architechs of our own misfortune.


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Shiva
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14/11/2011 3:31 pm  
"obscuruspaintus" wrote:
Letters and numbers have always given me a devil of a time ... We are the architec[t]s of our own misfortune.

Letters and numbers will always give everyone a devil of a time. They are found in the realm of duality [d-evil], and rest is only possible in silence.
"Nothing is a secret key of this law" - AL

Let's keep in mind the concept of the QBL being nothing more than a device to train (order) the mind. There is no special (eternal, infinite) importance in 93, 418, 666, et al, nor in RPSTOVAL or his cousins, the "secret" Holy Words, nor in the trigrams of Wu.

How dare I proclaim such sacrilege?

Sacrilege is the violation or injurious treatment of a sacred object. In a less proper sense, any transgression against the virtue of religion would be a sacrilege. ...

I base my heretical proclaimation on the fact that when one contacts The Primary Clear Light of Ain and Soft and You're, all of these devilish concepts and symbols disappear ... along with all the rest of the great illusion.

"Everyone must build their own Qabalah" - Aleister the Crowley

This last line above is the key to it all ... at least on the mental plane. We can use Sepher Sephiroth and 777 and the Trigrams of Wang and the Tarot of Thoth to build a preliminary skeleton (actually a "scaffolding") to house our mind (our "data-banks" in computer-speak), yet nobody but ourselves is responsible for properly "verifying" each datum and then installing it in a synapse or three.

These concepts are of great importance to a being who is trapped in the matrix of physical mater. What one "sees" (one's reality) is governed by our mind - by our thoughts.

Hail to the scientists of Hod.


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14/11/2011 4:00 pm  

... and Heil! to the allurement of Netzach, because the torsion of both leads to Tiphereth.


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obscurus
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19/03/2012 9:49 am  

93

Has anyone looked at this from the perspective of changing the English Alphabet? A new Aeon, a new Alphabet.
It seems to me a few letters could be done away with or combined. Just a waking thought.
You know, occupy a new land and immediately change all the street names?
I've looked around a bit and found nothing...but I'm lazy.
Best wishes.

93/93


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obscurus
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19/03/2012 12:47 pm  

93

Yep. I just didn't look hard enough. http://www.lashtal.com/forum/index.php/topic,2805.msg25333.html#msg25333
My apologies.

93/93


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