Dwtw
I especially love the Anonymous comment that YHVH is an "apex spiritual predator ".
I sure hope that phrase catches on. We can make it a notarikon for ASP.
LOVE is the law,
O.L.
Note I always have thought strange that Jehovah aka YHVH (or YHVH aka Jehovah) is conspicuously absent from the list found in Liber Legis III v. 51-53!
Also note that III v. 49 is "I am in a secret fourfold word, the blasphemy against all gods of men."
In his Comments, AC, identifies "Do what thou wilt" as the four fold word, but there might be some centers of pestilence that think differently?
Perhaps one of our qabalistic wizards might have an answer from dissection of the entrails of the book!
YHVH aka Jehovah) is conspicuously absent from the list found in Liber Legis III v. 51-53!
But III 51-53 is a list of prophets and worshipers ... not gods.
Note I always have thought strange that Jehovah aka YHVH (or YHVH aka Jehovah) is conspicuously absent from the list found in Liber Legis III v. 51-53!
Dwtw
AC said that in v. 53 the word Din indicated Judaism. Not 'fourfold word' specifically, but that would be implied.
Litlwtw
O.L.
AC said that in v. 53 the word Din indicated Judaism.
I always wondered about Din, and I missed his comment in my long-ago reading enterprise.
Saladin is more correctly spelled Salah-al-Din. So there's the Kurdish/Arabic influence available for viewing ... but then Hebrew and Arabica are both Semitic lingos ... so the connection become more clear-seeing, now.
AC said that in v. 53 the word Din indicated Judaism.
Not really, AC says that it "may" be that:
Old Comment: "I do not understand 'Din.'"
New Comment: "'Din' — 'severity' or 'Judgment' may refer to the Jewish Law, rather than to the Faith (ad 'din') of Islam. Assuming this, the six religions whose flesh must be torn out cover the whole globe outside Islam and Christianity." [emphasis added]
Certainty on this point comes not from AC, but from Motta, who comments on the New Comment comment above as follows: "Obviously, 'Din' refers to Mosaic Law; Islam has already been disposed of in the previous verse."
Not, of course, obvious to AC (as per his own words quoted above), but apparently so to Motta.
AC says that it "may" be that:
In order to avoid rounding-off, I recall that Din is a primary word in the Kurdish lingo. I repeat Salah-al-Din (his name was about 5syllable-words long). Wiki gives it as ...
Salah al-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub
(c. 1137 – 4 March 1193)
commonly known as Saladin
(lit. 'Honour of the Faith')
So, if AC didn't understand it, at least I am happy to apply it to the Semitic-speaking Middle-Easterners (or is it Western-Easterners?), which includes the Islamists and the Jews.
Not, of course, obvious to AC (as per his own words quoted above), but apparently so to Motta.
I concur with the concept of the global religions being called out for termination.
The part I found interesting is that YHWH was [still is] a metallurgical deity - lot's of fire, smoke, soot, and burning bushes. His true attribution is to Geburah ... or so it is obvious to me. Although he describes himself as merciful, I think this is ancient dis-information.
Look - I AM a Merciful God
Salah al-Din
I must confess...I never looked too closely into Liber Al's "Din." Doing so, as a result of this thread, I found the same info Ignant refers to:
"'Din' — 'severity' or 'Judgment'
Another angle into the word is POWER.
In Hebrew, then, we might find in Saladin:
SELAH-from the Psalms: a musical pause, SILENCE
AL-God, EL, Eternity
DIN-Power
The Eternal Power of Silence-and perhaps even The Voice of the Silence (curious-as "Voice" is Sound, Noise or "Din" in our modern English sense of the word).
SELAH-AL-DIN = SILENCE (VOID) [AL/LA] NOISE (FORM)
Herein is a "Fourfold Word" whereby opposites manifest (break apart) and unite.
AC said that in v. 53 the word Din indicated Judaism.
Not really, AC says that it "may" be that:
Old Comment: "I do not understand 'Din.'"
New Comment: "'Din' — 'severity' or 'Judgment' may refer to the Jewish Law, rather than to the Faith (ad 'din') of Islam. Assuming this, the six religions whose flesh must be torn out cover the whole globe outside Islam and Christianity." [emphasis added]
Certainty on this point comes not from AC, but from Motta, who comments on the New Comment comment above as follows: "Obviously, 'Din' refers to Mosaic Law; Islam has already been disposed of in the previous verse."
Not, of course, obvious to AC (as per his own words quoted above), but apparently so to Motta.
Dwtw
Yes, thanks for the correction, I was remembering the Motta emphasis. Either way, the word Din is definitely a name for the 5th sefira of the Tree.
Litllwtw
O.L.
Thus are the Din homologous with the said extraterrestrial, shape shifting "reptiles" seeking to rule the planet as asserted by the likes of David Icke?
Thus are the Din homologous with the said extraterrestrial, shape shifting "reptiles" seeking to rule the planet as asserted by the likes of David Icke?
Sure, why not ?
Note that Icke is still Icking along, but his info has been upgraded by other units (you did say the likes of) and said info is now appearing in news articles on alternative news channels. Mainstream Media brings us notices of Legislatives grilling the mil for UFO material and coverups.
This all falls under the long-awaited Disclosure program, wherein lots of people, with belief systems that include alien invasions and corrupt govs, are anticipating a series of mass media revelations on their belief systems.
Yes, this is happening ... but not as anticipated. Yes, Lam is accepted as an Alien Saint in Crowleyanity. In Thelema proper (AL), he is not mentioned, but various theories exist. So AC and (a portion of) our contemporary society are both mixed up in extraterrestrial speculation.
The Disclosure program does involve some digging into Military-Industrial obscuration. That is underway, but one should not expect to ever see the gov coming clean. The more simple disclosure of borg-like invasion are right before anyone's eyes, and the perps are represented by the WEF, which adds to XVII, which in the olde book is The Emperor (go figure), who/which is publicly stepping forward and saying, Here is what we are going to do. This is direct disclosure - right from the horse's mouth.
Nothing herein should be interpreted as political, and each person must interpret the signs, symptoms, and symbols for themselves, and yes AL can be used as a theoretical, theological, or practical reference ... along with other concepts.
Although I once paid attention to Mr Icke, without becoming a follower, at a certain point he held up AC as an example of the agents of The Black Lodge and the Reptilian invasion. . I dropped him at that point.
Although I once paid attention to Mr Icke, without becoming a follower, at a certain point he held up AC as an example of the agents of The Black Lodge and the Reptilian invasion. . I dropped him at that point.
At a certain point, I began to watch some of Icke's vids and talks. He absolutely has some interesting and insightful things to say. He is also WAY off base on others. I found him enjoyable enough to keep on watching. I like his personality and way of expressing things. So enjoying Icke becomes a type of Alchemy.
His talk on the Archons was GREAT. However, John Lash (who I also enjoy, even if I differ with HIM at points) accuses Icke of stealing his material without credit. This is disappointing.
There was a time where I was buying as many "occult" and "magical" books as I could from used bookstores, building up my library. I knew very little about many things at that time. Not that the situation can be described as terribly different now-but I was really "green to the scene" back then. However (!), I read enough about Crowley to know when an author was being sensationalistic or opportunistic. I soon began to hit the index of potential purchases to see if AC was listed. If so, I'd locate the pages in question to see if the author was serious and sober in representing Crowley. If not, I'd apply my hard-earned five or ten dollar bill on another tome.
"Aleister Crowley was a Satanist who preached a doctrine of Do Whatever You Want. He was a drug addict who ran a cult called the Golden Dawn. It is said that he made his followers drink the blood of a cat during his obscene rituals."
I, at least, developed enough discernment to put these sort of books back on the shelf.
I thought this film was enjoyable:
... accuses Icke of stealing his material without credit. This is disappointing.
The disappointment covers a wide scope. You mention him being "on" for some ideas, but "off" on others. This, in itself, is a red flag being waved at someone who is gathering material, but not necessarily reporting on any direct experience.
Sort of like a librarian.
Sort of like Carlos Castaneda.
When faced with this type of gnashing dilemma, we only have one way out. Disregarding the fact that we have the opportunity to burn the books and tapes and stop indulging, the way out includes listening to, or watching, or having it read to you, all the ideas. Then, try each one out. I am not prepared or interested in purposely evoking dragons or were-dragons, so "Trying out" may require referencing other authors who are experts in the same field ... but not just an Icke spin-off or coat-tailer.
I found some (expert witnesses). Since I have had multiple experiences in a few dimensions, I remained skeptical as I had/have never seen a person even slightly start to become reptiliar; I have seen, engaged, and reported on people who exhibited reptile-like, describable features (while expressiong a very interesting aura ... and there is always [an imperative ?] that dreadfully disarming smile. But they never shape-shifted, so so what?
Well, "so what," as expressed by these "experts" (because they have experience), includes the statement(s), from all of them, that this stuff is real, but the dragoneers have established their field in the 4D astral plane, right up close to the physicaln plane.
"Up close" tells us they are talking about the lowest subplane of the astral plane, which is filled with mostly darkness, but there are (like) these deep-sea sea-creatures and all the lowest crap that we or anyone can frighten themselves with.
There are other features to this paradigm that become easily viewable by any beginning magician ... but one needs to go beyond Icke to get a picture that is not amplified or downgraded by confusing the planes.
Many seek to characterized Thelema pejoratively as "Do what you want", but it and "Do what thou wilt" are from an initiated point of view equivalent as both require self enquiry as per Advaita Vedanta.
"Who are you?" is the vehicle of self enquiry in Advaita Vedanta, a question that is more inherent in the Thelemic remand if one engages in some analysis.
"Do what you want" is actually used by Sri Amritananda Natha Saraswati who has brought for the teachings of Sri Vidya and the Kaula Tantra out into the open...
Of course Liber Legis is a bit icky to many people, inclusive of those who consider themselves Thelemites, though I do not think AC used the word icky, digestion of the Third Chapter is a bit difficult on the surface.
Relative to speculations of world power, Liber Legis, could well be used in a nefarious manner, particularly when the calling cards of the real 9/11 terrorists utilized various numbers sacred to Thelema are pondered....and likely used as a means of smearing Thelema.
I do not think AC used the word icky
David Icke came after AC, so he (AC) wasn't aware of him. But if he had been, the word Icky might have come into his mind and pen.
Relative to speculations of world power, Liber Legis, could well be used in a nefarious manner
Oh, they already have their text and agenda. The Elohim and The Anunnaki are with us once again. 9D covers it in detail; this thread just exposes the tip of the Judaic iceberg hierarchy. So I better get back to 9D, which is on the other screen, staring at me.
Who knows if AC ever used the word, icky!
9D, what is that?
9D, what is that?
A book, on the ninth dimension; you might have heard it referenced as Chokmah. The series started back at 4D, and after four more Ds, 9D is coming to a conclusion. The problem is to get The Anunnaki out of their hell-raising in 3D. The problem just got solved, so here's the solution ...