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04/04/2020 3:07 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

Life is not all wine and strange drugs, after all.

No, there's all them damn cattle.

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I am remiss, with only a couple of .22 rifles

I starting shifting toward .22s a long time ago (16 years or so). It's the cheapest ammo around, and you can (used to) get it in subsonic loads. These make less noise than a cap pistol, but they are accurate.

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we do not have to resort to blunt instruments and cutting edges.

Shiva goes On Record and sez: Not this time. It will pass. Business will go back to usual. Then the elections will come to a WORLD that has just brushed against A Fast-Moving Angel of Death. A Pass-though, not a Pass-over. Around that time, you (anyone) might be on the lookout for suitable doo-dads of self-defendo. Aikido training would be very helpful; too bad it only takes 20 or 30 years to develop the level of skill required for election mayhem. I speak of any elections, anywhere. The Word of the Yuga is Wuwei.

6+6+6+5+10 = 33

Get it?

A black two-headed Eagle is GOD;
even a Black
Triangle is He.
In His claws He beareth a sword;
yea, a sharp sword is held therein.

-Liber 333 - Ch 33

What else do you want.

Shiva now goes Off the Record.

The needle skips across the grooves in the Record as the imposter priests scramble to maintain the recording. (That's a little Dreamspell parable.

Posted by: @christibrany

Let us help each other.

Which line is that again? In AL, Ch III?

Don't get me wrong. I practice the vice of compassion. The Oriental martial arts teaches that one (anyone) should never throw the first punch. After that, it's just a matter of survival.

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Crowley help me I have always been a Yellow mage and decadent. 

That's okay. It will get you to Tiphareth. After that, your order will change, and you can work out the difference with your praeterhuman Self.

Posted by: @duck

I leave the "burgers" alone for a few minutes on this thread and they start talking about "muh guns".

But, you see, this same multilogue came up, not long ago. I may have started it. If not, I certainly chimed in. I think it might have been an off topic discussion, with instructions, on how to prepare for The end of the World. It was predicted as coming soon to a neighborhood near you by some raving ascetic clad in a pace suit.

"Get your food, water, and gear in order. Guns recommended. Where guns are forbidden, alternatives were starting to be mentioned. Then the off-topic banter died away. Why?

Because some sensitive people complained about gun-talk. Like you just did. So we'll probably drop it now, and get back to Lam (71), but anybody who's short on anything now didn't pay attention the first time around.

Posted by: @duck

This "outside the box" stuff doesn't come naturally to me, I just stumbled into it with the help of Lam.

And the difference between these two possibilities is ...?


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04/04/2020 3:36 am  
Posted by: @shiva

some sensitive people complained about gun-talk. Like you just did

I wasn't so much complaining as laughing at the stereotype of "Yanks and they're guns" (which is just as much about my ignorance on the matter as anything). I don't have a problem with gun-talk if it can have its own place but it can sort of over power something subtle like Lam.

 

Posted by: @shiva

Wuwei.

6+6+6+5+10 = 33

You've posted a similar one with TAO = 80 before and I thought I'd just point out how absurd this is when you stop and think about it for a minute: 

You're using a Chinese word transliterated into English and then transliterating that into Hebrew to sum it up. 😆 

(I'm not judging anything here, I just find it "amusing")


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04/04/2020 3:49 am  

@Shiva

 This Work also eats up itself, accomplishes its own
    end, nourishes the worker, leaves no seed, is 
perfect in itself. Little children, love one another!


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04/04/2020 4:19 am  
Posted by: @shiva

I wasn't so much complaining as laughing

Yes, I know. But the previous round was really-sensitive people, and we were getting really serious about common sense survival. You did not really complain and you displayed no over-sensitivity, but your slightest nuance evoked the previous round, and so by virtue of similarly sympathetic magic, you were linked with them, and now bear their karma as well as your own.

Posted by: @duck

You're using a Chinese word transliterated into English and then transliterating that into Hebrew to sum it up.

That is correct.

When you go to Las Vegas, or some Trribal Casino, you put your numbers down, phonetically, which is what pinyin is (phonetic Mandarin, authorized and promoted by The People's Republic of Communist China.tong), and then your sum is where the wheel stops when you add up the numbers. You or me. Win or lose.

Now if you want to argue about how the wheel turns, or what numbers were played, and lodge a complaint with the management to CHANGE the system, that is an example of "Crowley QBL, or "fiddling."

Posted by: @duck

I'm not judging anything here, I just find it "amusing")

It's hilarious. None of this has anything to do with the spiritual path, which involves extinguishing one's self in as many ways as possible, except to assist one to order one's mind, so it won't get in the way when the higher circuits get switched on. Insanity is so messy, you know?

 


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04/04/2020 4:30 am  
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Nobody is gonna be caste down or developed up. The young will be condescending still, and the oldens shall be as is fittingly filthy as is their want for decrepit deviant holy men on a buddha stick. Did that help?Did that help?

It was revealing.  Both in your use of Liber Al to validate stagnancy, but also how you interpret 'none that shall be cast down or lifted up'.

In Liber LXXI there may be some guidance for the initiated, dependent on grade according to Crowley:

It is astonishing and distressing to notice how the Lanoo, no matter what happens to him, soaring aloft like the phang, and sailing gloriously through innumerable Gates of High Initiation, nevertheless keeps his original Point of View, like a Bourbon. He is always getting rid of Illusions, but, like the entourage of the Cardinal Lord Arch­bishop of Rheims after he cursed the thief, nobody seems one penny the worse—or the better.

An initiated understanding can be drawn from Liber XC ver 41:

But since one is naturally attracted to the Angel, another to the Demon, let the first strengthen the lower link, the last attach more firmly to the higher.

Even with the destruction of Illusion the Point of View remains the same since Point of View is metaphysically located to a set position in one's relationship to the Angel or Demon.

Love is the law, and Love is Change

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04/04/2020 5:02 am  
Posted by: @shiva

this same multilogue came up, not long ago. I may have started it. If not, I certainly chimed in. I think it might have been an off topic discussion

So that off topic subject gets brought up again here since this thread about Duck's Lam work has so much relevance to it or, since it doesn't, is it that this thread has become high profile because Set-Tetu-Ra posted it to reddit that you want to derail and hijack it for your own ends?

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04/04/2020 6:24 am  

Yes, yes, yes. All of the above, plus a pot more.


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04/04/2020 6:59 am  
Posted by: @duck

I think it gives the impression of Lam coming into focus in and fading out from our "reality".

Looking forward to Lam in the hypercube. 🛸

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04/04/2020 9:23 am  
Posted by: @duck

I have read the description of A.C's rather disturbing dream related to "the child of his bowels" which I don't particularly want to repeat now.

Posted by: @duck

Maybe the original was of a juvenile of Lam's race and this one is an adult.

 

Coming back to the original post of yours, I forgot to ask; which description/disturbing dream account you are referring here Duck?

 

When it comes to the topic of Lam, there was an old thread here on lashtal that speculated of a scene found in Crowley’s Confessions Chapter 31 as a possible real world candidate for Crowley’s inspiration for the Lam drawing, at least if we are to consider the original Lam drawing as a juvenile.

 

In the Confessions chapter 31 Crowley is visiting Myanmar’s Rangoon/Yangon Shwedagon Padoga:

 

The Confessions of Aleister Crowley, Chapter 31

 

On a litter in the shadow of the pagoda lay a boy of about fourteen years. He suffered from hydrocephalus. An enormous head, horrifyingly inane, surmounted a shrivelled body, too feeble even to support it. There indeed was a manifest symbol of the universe as conceived by the Buddha! Senseless suffering proves that nature has no purpose or pity. The existence of a single item of this kind in the inventory demonstrates the theorem. As I gazed on the child, I began to understand that all the syllogisms of optimism were enthymemes. Every teleology depends on the error of generalizing from a few selected phenomena. The boy impressed me more than the pagoda. One was the freak of misfortune; the other the considered climax of colossal care. Yet both were transitory and trivial toys of time.

Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.


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04/04/2020 11:48 am  
Posted by: @duck

I have read the description of A.C's rather disturbing dream related to "the child of his bowels" which I don't particularly want to repeat now.

Posted by: @behemoth

which description/disturbing dream account you are referring here

Oh well, I was hoping I didn't have mention it but here we go:

"A most frightful semi-dream (between two normal
motions) of giving birth to a foetus per anum. It was a mass of blood and
slime. The nastiest Qliphotic experience I can remember."

(If you didn't figure it out, he means out of his butt-hole 😬 )

 

So the "child of his bowels" and this disturbing dream tie in with the stories we've all heard of "grey aliens" and their obsession with "anal probes".

 

Posted by: @behemoth

a possible real world candidate for Crowley’s inspiration for the Lam drawing

It seemed a bit disrespectful to post actual photos of hydrocephalus but I found this old illustration of a skull:

 

It does have the look of these aliens I guess. Some descriptions of "greys" are that they are reminiscent of a human fetus.


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04/04/2020 11:53 am  
Posted by: @duck
Posted by: @duck

I have read the description of A.C's rather disturbing dream related to "the child of his bowels" which I don't particularly want to repeat now.

Posted by: @behemoth

which description/disturbing dream account you are referring here

Oh well, I was hoping I didn't have mention it but here we go:

"A most frightful semi-dream (between two normal
motions) of giving birth to a foetus per anum. It was a mass of blood and
slime. The nastiest Qliphotic experience I can remember."

 

Oh, that one.

 

There is some "composite artwork" perhaps somewhat related to that passage and LAM by Gregory Von Seewald.

 

Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.


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04/04/2020 12:27 pm  

@behemoth

Very surreal. Not sure what to make of it but it has the fetus there.

A short clip that I think is relevant to all this somehow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6umxthz1Ys

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04/04/2020 1:32 pm  
Posted by: @shiva
Posted by: @duck

This "outside the box" stuff doesn't come naturally to me, I just stumbled into it with the help of Lam.

And the difference between these two possibilities is ...?

Well said.

 

Posted by: @shiva

Lam (71)

From Seph. Seph. appropriate to this stuff: 71 = "Nothing; an apparition, image"

I like numbers that can be made into a nice pattern and 71 is one of them:

centered heptagonal

The "5-th centered heptagonal number". If 71 was a bell, when you strike it the notes "5" and "7" ring out in this way. I don't know if any of this means anything but it makes a nice shape.


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04/04/2020 2:03 pm  
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There is some "composite artwork" perhaps somewhat related to that passage and LAM by Gregory Von Seewald.
Posted by: @duck
Very surreal. Not sure what to make of it but it has the fetus there.
 
I mixed up the author/creator of the image as being Gregory Von Seewald. That doesn't seem to be the case.
 
Credit should go to:

The sketch kindly provided byThe-Real-Simon-Ifffurther explores this remarkable element, I greatly appreciated his sharing of this very rare image and most fascinating tie-in (no pun intended.)

(Larger image of the above can be found in the Members's Creations gallery here at Lashtal)

 

Here is the original thread:

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/questions-on-the-amalantrah-working-lam/

 

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04/04/2020 3:12 pm  

The latest bit of nonsense:

 

contains all 3 page 16s merged together in the background.


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04/04/2020 3:44 pm  

Very suggestive of DMT experience, and of the entities, or experiences, that Terrence McKenna called the "machine elves" that often manifest.


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04/04/2020 6:32 pm  

These pics are pretty easy to make once you figure out the settings, very little artistic ability required. 🙂 

DMT is of course one way of explaining "spiritual" experiences and the like, as discussed in a thread recently. We could even say that Crowley's brain was just producing extra DMT during his Lam experiences and that's why he saw one of these "entities".

Never tried the stuff, the closest thing would be "fungal supplements", never enough to reach a "breakthrough" though. This was when I was younger and more enthusiastic, I don't really have the strength for it these days. I'm happy enough just to hear the "trip reports" of others.


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04/04/2020 7:55 pm  
Posted by: @duck

I like numbers that can be made into a nice pattern and 71 is one of them:

centered heptagonal

The "5-th centered heptagonal number". If 71 was a bell, when you strike it the notes "5" and "7" ring out in this way. I don't know if any of this means anything but it makes a nice shape.

heptagon

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05/04/2020 1:10 am  
image
image
image
image

 

 

 

Boys and girls.

Thelema is about balance.

Thelema is about the Tao.

Heavens and Hells together.

Until you figure your own shit out.

Good luck. 

 

 


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05/04/2020 2:34 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Do you mean, somewhere

I hear you, Mr. Barter. "Here" as "everywhere." And "Space is the Place" (Sun Ra). I'm just trying to not "confound the space-marks," right?


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05/04/2020 11:29 am  
Posted by: @duck

here's an animation made by rotating the initial page a tiny bit each time before "flipping it":

I made a longer animation:

 

The "Lam" I found is of course just a "gimmick", what I'm really interested in is if viewing the manuscript pages can have a subliminal effect when they are presented in a way where the letters are not readable.


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05/04/2020 3:38 pm  
Posted by: @duck

If 71 was a bell, when you strike it the notes "5" and "7" ring out in this way.

Musical cornerstone. Good eye, nice touch or should that be ear? Could also be taken in that manner as pentatonic and heptatonic scales with 5 + 7 revealing the hidden chromatic.

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05/04/2020 5:16 pm  

I see our Comrade Duck has had the delightful pleasure of encountering our departed Comrade S.'. H.'. Fra. Dr. Los PhD 8=3 over at the reddit thelema cross-post of this Lam material.

Isn't he a charmer?

Also, on another issue, amused that anyone might imagine that posting in this thread might be motivated by a desire for the "attention" available from a cross-post to a forum as dead (and dull) as r/thelema, rather than some of us being bored geriatric basket-cases with poor impulse control.


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05/04/2020 5:24 pm  
Posted by: @duck

I made a longer animation:

 

The "Lam" I found is of course just a "gimmick", what I'm really interested in is if viewing the manuscript pages can have a subliminal effect when they are presented in a way where the letters are not readable.

Which brings the subject back to the intent of your original thread. I find these recent moving images are more appealing and have a better subliminal suggestive effect than the original gifs. This one in particular has a quality that suggests a hidden sentience.

Posted by: @duck

These pics are pretty easy to make once you figure out the settings, very little artistic ability required. 🙂 

Artistic ability is more than just technique, it's also vision and follow through.

 

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05/04/2020 6:28 pm  

@ignant666

I don't want to judge him too harshly just yet, I don't know much about him, but he did sound a bit grumpy.

Posted by: @ignant666

bored geriatric basket-cases with poor impulse control

I had to laugh at this, sorry. 😊 

 

Posted by: @xon

recent moving images are more appealing and have a better subliminal suggestive effect

Yes, I thought this one turned out quite nicely. I'll do a few more of them. My plan is to one day make a program that would do this kind of thing which I could then release so others can use it. My programming skills are pretty limited but we'll see.

If the manuscript does have some subliminal or "spooky" effect, then with this sort of program you would be able to "fly" through the pages and the unconscious mind could be stimulated from different angles.


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05/04/2020 6:39 pm  
Posted by: @duck

I had to laugh at this, sorry.

No apologies needed, in my case, at least.

"I yam what i yam, and that's all what i yam!" said noted Thelemic saint Popeye The Sailor-Man.

Put another way, one is given by the Gods only so many fucks to give in this life. By a certain age, one finds one's fuck-bag, for better or worse, quite depleted. One is thus, past a certain age, literally no longer able to give a fuck.

As you get to know The Phallus Of A Goat better, i doubt that you will find cause to disagree with my characterization of him as a "charmer".


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05/04/2020 6:59 pm  
Posted by: @duck

If the manuscript does have some subliminal or "spooky" effect, then with this sort of program you would be able to "fly" through the pages and the unconscious mind could be stimulated from different angles.

The suggestion to colour sections of text which share commonalities in the same tone, like love or number in their own colour for example, to distinguish them still stands, even if the text is unreadable. That labour may have to be done by hand and based on the artist's vision. If a praeterhuman entity sees the text as ideograms, or even lifeforms, from its place of existence such may be revealed in the artwork.

The breathing effect in the recent gifs does lend to a spooky effect. If there is a way to incorporate breath techniques, like 4-7-8, into the art that may help with bringing the mind and body into focus with the work.

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06/04/2020 3:19 pm  
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07/04/2020 1:59 am  
Posted by: @duck

I made a longer animation:

 

Another animation that gives a wider "zoom" effect:


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