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Serpent 252
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09/02/2020 11:46 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Are you sure

Yes I am sure I've meant "if yes."

My inquiry relates to Azidonis' post above. He has represented "normal waking consciousness" as a line: _________________________, and "n.w.c. with a samadhi" as a line+non-line: ______       _______. (see above)

I see "a factor infinite & unknown" as a factor related to one's reason and to one's Sekhu (Sekhu = (bodily) Remains, the 7th soul).

I've asked Azidonis because he's represented an 8=3 with "________ _________ _________ ________" (that is, n.w.c. with gaps, & these gaps are samadhi.)

Then Siva says "No, normal wack con is not Binah."

Patanjali defines yoga as "yogaś citta-vrtti-nirodhah" (Yoga Sutras 1.2), which Swami Vivekananda translates as "Yoga is restraining the mind-stuff (Citta) from taking various forms (Vrittis)." I loosely "translate" this as "Unity is achieved when the monkey Citta has shut up."

"The Magister Templi is pre-eminently the Master of Mysticism, that is, His Understanding is entirely free from internal contradiction or external obscurity (...) He is a Master of samādhi. (...)" (One Star In Sight)

To resume, briefly:

Azidonis says an 8=3 still has moments of "normal waking consciousness," i.e. his monkey hasn't had (entirely) shut up.

Shiva says "n.w.c. is not Binah." which translates to "an 8=3 has no moments of normal waking consciousness." Please, correct me if I've made any mistake in these "translations."

I can live with both answers correct. Rock on.


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10/02/2020 12:03 am  

The Magister lives in the Binah Hotel. He is operating on the buddhic plane, and has no mind operating.

His vehicle, the dork, has a mind. The dork may claim 8=3, but he's not a Magister unless operating in the light body.

The dork and the Magister are both parts of the same person.  Don't kid yourself, it qualifies for the term, schizophrenia. Except the shift from here to there is so smooth it isn't noticed by the doctors, and the dork is smart enough to keep his mouth shut.

This is why the attribute of Binah is Silence.

 

 


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Serpent 252
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10/02/2020 12:23 am  

Thanks, Shiva.

I've been confused for a moment by the Azidonis' musings.

 


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10/02/2020 12:25 am  
Posted by: @Serpent252 
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Are you sure

Yes I am sure I've meant "if yes."

OK - it's just that your question as phrased didn't seem to make sense.  Please let me explain.  You asked whether the "factor x" (being infinite & unknown) applied to an 8=3 and above, and then went on to add if, (yes) in effect it does - can it then "only" apply to normal waking consciousness (i.e., not "as well as ")?  The state of "normal waking consciousness" is, of course, much further below the state of 8=3.  Factor x could not therefore apply to it only, if it was also applying to the supernal state of 8=3 and above.

Hope this clarifies.  Not sure if this "reasoning" would go on to affect the overall context of the following or not,

N Joy

 


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10/02/2020 12:43 am  

OK, Jamie, I see now what you've meant.

The whole confusion has started when

1) AZ made the division, i.e. divided the consciousness of 8=3 to "normal state" & "samadhi state;" 

and when

2) I have "restricted" the factor x to reason, while it clearly says it is "infinite & unknown."

Now I hope this clarifies.


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10/02/2020 1:50 am  

I am so confused that I might decide to not figure it out.


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10/02/2020 1:53 am  
Posted by: @serpent252

The whole confusion has started when

1) AZ made the division, i.e. divided the consciousness of 8=3 to "normal state" & "samadhi state;" 

Though in spite of this and

Posted by: @serpent252

I've been confused for a moment by the Azidonis' musings.

you said "Great post"?  When perhaps what you really meant was, "Great post, apart from the confusion"?!

Maybe the idea is to eventually reduce the periods of "nwc" as far as possible and to extend the "blank" (no-mind) bits - not so it ends up looking like

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

but more something like

___   ___   __  __  _ _  …    …  ..   ..    .     .      .       .       .            .              .

           .                 .                        .(etc) ?

Posted by: @serpent252

and when

2) I have "restricted" the factor x to reason, while it clearly says it is "infinite & unknown."

Yes! agreed.  It clearly does.

Posted by: @shiva

and the dork is smart enough to keep his mouth shut.

This is why the  attribute of Binah is Silence.

The dork though isn't of (the attributes of) Binah him (her)self.  S/he would be merely emulating the position (stance, attitude) of the Magister.  (Maybe with as above so below "in mind" - but which - also being smart - wouldn't really be the hallmark of a "true" dork in which case

The slaves smart dorks shall serve,

) Joy

 

 

 

 

 

 


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10/02/2020 2:28 am  

Alas, language.

Yes, yes, yes, for all of the above. And I really meant it's been Great post, for he has dared to try to express himself. Now, the confusion has also been great, it has helped me (us?) to dive deeper in the abyss of mind, and to come back with a renewed clarity (if it's been "clarity," indeed, and not just a further confusion).

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Maybe the idea is to eventually reduce the periods of "nwc" as far as possible and to extend the "blank" (no-mind) bits - not so it ends up looking like

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

but more something like

___   ___   __  __  _ _  …    …  ..   ..    .     .      .       .       .            .              .

           .                 .                        .(etc) ?

Exactly. Like when you achieve the (state of mind called) pratyahara __  __  _ _  …    …  ..   ..    .     .      .       .       .            .       

Posted by: @shiva

I am so confused that I might decide to not figure it out.

Of course you are, and anyway it's always better to figure it out NOT.

"Deeper, ever deeper. I fall, even as the whole Universe falls down the abyss of Years."


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10/02/2020 4:09 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

The dork though isn't of (the attributes of) Binah him (her)self.

True, The dork will meet mort. The Magister is already beyond time and was so already before you (me, him) were born.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

S/he would be merely emulating the position

If s/he just gives it all up, the Magister will come into play ("overshadowing," it's called). Afterwa that rd, the mind will remember some of this, and it will create thoughtforms, names, and images to explain. So s/he gets conned if s/he buys his/her story, and we (the readers) can get even further conned if we buy said adventurer's allegory for the real deal.

All confusion gets banished if we just admit that losing one's mind is part of the deal, and that, yes, the mind is going to have some story to tell (once it gets resuscitated) that must be recognized as thoughtform manufacturing (or "making things up").

Said "make up" may even have practical, earth-bound applications. E=mc2 is such an example.

Posted by: @serpent252

"Deeper, ever deeper. I fall, even as the whole Universe falls down the abyss of Years."

This is an example of non-practical imagery. It will fly (or fall) as prose or poetry, but it won't put gas in my car.

I'm not saying it's "bad," or worthless on its own plane ... it's just that I need to borrow five bucks for gas so I can get home and sleep in my own bed rather than out here in this smelly abyss of yours years.

 


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10/02/2020 6:14 pm  

Oh, wait!  Now that I have become unraveled (above) and exposed the dual-nature of the Magister and his/her dork, I must finish by revealing that this thread is about wu and shivdarshana.

The concept of permanent wu (not) state has also been introduced.

This 8=3 business, and 9=2 as well, does NOT confer a permanent samadhi-in-daily-life state. Both these "grades" or "frequencies" or "equations" are still subject to the Atma-Dork contingency, which is dependent upon the position of the "MIND ON/OFF" switch.

A thorough review of the literature, plus my own research, indicates that this PERMANENT samadhi comes along with Kether, which is non-dual.

Furthermore, but only to clear the AEthyrs of further confusion, we know that the 2=0 equation lies at the Heart of Mystery, because it is impossible for any One, One, One to exist ... there being no observer.

So, Atma, the One, is Shiva-ized, and reduced to Zero (nothing, Ain, nirvana, wu). This reduces consciousness to that of the Adi (Adi-Buddha), which is "primordial consciousness" before any duality gets around to manifesting.

The transition through the Ain Reduction Factory (reduction from One to Absolute Zero, through 1>000>00>0, follows the universal 3-guna law, but it's a bit abstract for this thread.

To keep it simple, we can lump all this into Kether, because that's where the mind (universal) shuts off, and be well within the standards for acceptable, government work.


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11/02/2020 11:28 pm  
Posted by: @serpent252

Exactly. Like when you achieve the (state of mind called) pratyahara __  __  _ _  …    …  ..   ..    .     .      .       .       .            .

Yes - indeed exactly so (or at least there would seem to be "no difference" made there re the quality of your space-marks)

Posted by: @serpent252

"Deeper, ever deeper. I fall, even as the whole Universe falls down the abyss of Years."

Or as that beat combo Status Quo was to put the matter, even more succinctly: "Down, down, deeper'n down..."

N Joy

 


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12/02/2020 1:06 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

"Down, down, deeper'n down..."

Or the last few minutes of that untitled album:

"Going down... going down... going down... going down now..."

Or as it's been practiced in an Outer Order:

"The Task of a Neophyte

(...) 4. He shall commit to memory a chapter of Liber VII (...)" (Liber CLXXXV)

Come on, am I the only one who had read that book? (And enJoyed?)


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12/02/2020 2:57 am  
Posted by: @serpent252

am I the only one who had read that book?

No.


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12/02/2020 9:26 am  

Or

commit[ted] to memory a chapter

If practically nobody else has, won't this mean in effect then that, all over the world there are the vast majority of A.'. A.'. members [Probationers] of whatever lineage who have never managed to progress beyond that stage, having failed to successfully complete all of the Tasks of a Neophyte?...

N Joy 


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12/02/2020 4:20 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

the vast majority of A.'. A.'. members ...

... are in some Outer Order, somewhere, and they're all doing something different - but essentially the same thing ... they are trying to reach The City of the Sun, which (fortunately) does not require the reading of any particular "holy booklet."

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

having failed to successfully complete all of the Tasks of a Neophyte?

I have known very few Neophytes who so failed. The heavy losses ("failures") are Student, Probation, and Netzach.

Of course, I'm not the final authority in these matters. I'm just counting out loud.

 

 


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12/02/2020 5:10 pm  

@jamiejbarter

 

I've 'morised plenty of chapters for my Work.  The prettiest one came from Liber VII in my opinion.  

 

I agree with Shiva. Most people 'quit' earlier, like Student/Probationer, not Neophyte and forward. 

 

I am like a little red dog that sits upon the knees of the unknown.  arf. 

Arf, Arf, he goes, a merry sight
Our little hairy friend
Arf, Arf, upon the lampost bright
Arfing round the bend.
Nice dog! Goo boy,
Waggie tail and beg,
Clever Nigel, jump for joy
Because we are putting you to sleep at three of the clock, Nigel.

 


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15/02/2020 1:22 am  
Posted by: @christibrany

Because we are putting you to sleep at three of the clock, Nigel.

Lennon, In His Own Write, butchering English and everyone/everything around. One of my favorite books. Thank you for reminding me.

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Most people 'quit' earlier

Some of the guys I have known just simply get married...

 


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15/02/2020 1:28 am  

@serpent252

Don't stereotype, my reptilian breathalien.

I have been happily married for ..almost five years and still advancing toward the front! 

 

I meditate and ritualate even when she wants to watch television.

 

But I always make time to laugh, for both of us.

 


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15/02/2020 1:52 am  

@christibrany

I didn't mean you, I know you are married.

I know it's stereotype, but really, one guy which i highly appreciated - he had great mind, but lacked a bit of will - anyway, he had had to listen his wife, gone to her hometown, cut the contact... so, it happens...

Posted by: @christibrany

But I always make time to laugh, for both of us.

I am happy for both of you. Such relationships are somehow rare... or I have no idea. 

I like your wording.

All the best, your reptilian breathalien.


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15/02/2020 4:00 am  
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he had had to listen his wife, gone to her hometown, cut the contact... so, it happens...

In every initiation there arises a vampire ... remember that one?

 


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13/03/2020 12:34 am  
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Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Are you sure

Yes I am sure I've meant "if yes."

My inquiry relates to Azidonis' post above. He has represented "normal waking consciousness" as a line: _________________________, and "n.w.c. with a samadhi" as a line+non-line: ______       _______. (see above)

I see "a factor infinite & unknown" as a factor related to one's reason and to one's Sekhu (Sekhu = (bodily) Remains, the 7th soul).

I've asked Azidonis because he's represented an 8=3 with "________ _________ _________ ________" (that is, n.w.c. with gaps, & these gaps are samadhi.)

Then Siva says "No, normal wack con is not Binah."

Patanjali defines yoga as "yogaś citta-vrtti-nirodhah" (Yoga Sutras 1.2), which Swami Vivekananda translates as "Yoga is restraining the mind-stuff (Citta) from taking various forms (Vrittis)." I loosely "translate" this as "Unity is achieved when the monkey Citta has shut up."

"The Magister Templi is pre-eminently the Master of Mysticism, that is, His Understanding is entirely free from internal contradiction or external obscurity (...) He is a Master of samādhi. (...)" (One Star In Sight)

To resume, briefly:

Azidonis says an 8=3 still has moments of "normal waking consciousness," i.e. his monkey hasn't had (entirely) shut up.

Shiva says "n.w.c. is not Binah." which translates to "an 8=3 has no moments of normal waking consciousness." Please, correct me if I've made any mistake in these "translations."

I can live with both answers correct. Rock on.

I was referring to gaps in consciousness due to samadhi. The diagram was intended to represent a unit of time, say 24 period, as a line _______. This is normal waking consciousness. Everyday consciousness. We all have it. Samadhi is represented by a gap in the consciousness, ___ ___. So say now there is a 60 second gap.... first of all you can't count time so you really don't know, but let's just say it is 60 seconds at one point in one day, say an Asana session. Then it is ___ ___. An Asana session with no samadhi is still _____, no matter how intense the dhyana. So, with more samadhis, and with a longer duration of those samadhis, the 24 hour period begins to be broken up by samadhis of varying lengths at varying times. This can be represented by multiple gaps in our line, ___ __ ___. Longer lines represent longer periods of time within the 24 hours, in the example. Longer gaps represent longer periods in which samadhi occurred, or had a window to occur and occurred.


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