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Set-Tetu-Ra
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24/02/2020 9:38 pm  
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Wasn't the grid added later? Like not during the original dictation?

I just read about this. In Genesis of the Book of the Law It did not appear in the Equinox volume 1 7 making it appear after 1912. The author believes it was done in AC's hand.

So really the grid may be entirely irrelevant. III:47 itself says not to do anything to the pages or letters in the original. It makes me think the solution is directly related to the letters on the page and where the line falls, not the grid or the line over some sort of map or image. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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24/02/2020 10:11 pm  

@set-tetu-ra correct, it could be a blind. The mystery continues. The number of edits made to the book by AC in all editions is actually quite surprising. It is difficult to know what to believe or if the lesson is to not believe anything at all.

 

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24/02/2020 10:30 pm  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

So really the grid may be entirely irrelevant.

It is odd that nobody seems to know the reason(s) why it was added, under what circumstances, exactly when, where or what connection it might have to anything else in the manuscript (if any; or indeed whether it might have been a 'blind').  It seems even more inconceivable that nobody (Germer, McMurtry, Grant, whomsoever) ever thought to put these glaringly obvious enquiries to A.C. himself during his lifetime and document the answers somewhere?

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It is difficult to know what to believe or if the lesson is to not believe anything at all

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24/02/2020 11:03 pm  

@faustian

Here's my attempt at figuring out what you may be getting at:

nile1
nile2

I started just next to the Museum. Of course there are seemingly endless ways to tweak the path up the Nile so you could get a slightly different end point.

I am new to the "Indiana Jones" approach to the mysteries of Liber AL (applying it to the outside world). I am more used to the "Qabalistic" approach (applying it to the inside world). I guess AL works on different levels, and I don't believe there is only 1 "official" interpretation. 🙂 

 

 


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25/02/2020 4:32 pm  

@duck

One idea I used to toy with was this. You could go to Akhenaten's old haunt, Tell el Amarna, and follow the Nile up to Mallawi. The angle of the river seems to match - 65 degrees. You could then interpret the circle with the cross to be the universal icon of a church. Indeed you will find an ancient coptic monastery exactly where you would expect the circle to be.

 


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25/02/2020 6:26 pm  

@faustian

Not sure if this is what you meant. I had to cheat a bit and rotate the grid page.

mallawi

 


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25/02/2020 6:51 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

It is odd that nobody seems to know the reason(s) why it was added, under what circumstances, exactly when, where or what connection it might have to anything else in the manuscript (if any; or indeed whether it might have been a 'blind').  It seems even more inconceivable that nobody (Germer, McMurtry, Grant, whomsoever) ever thought to put these glaringly obvious enquiries to A.C. himself during his lifetime and document the answers somewhere?

It is unlikely that many of Crowley's associates ever saw the grid drawn on the page. The first publication of Liber Legis that included a facsimile of the manuscript showed the page as shown below. I'm not aware of any other printing of the text in Crowley's lifetime that included a facsimile:

III Page16

Crowley probably drew the grid at some point after C.S. Jones penned Liber 31, around 1920 I suspect. The presence of the grid suggests Crowley attempted to solve the mystery of the letters and the three keys himself. The mysteries of the verse can be solved both with and without the grid, which is remarkable, as it shows Crowley was still under the influence of the author of Liber Legis all those years later.  When I get around to publishing my solution, I'll prove it.

 


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25/02/2020 7:18 pm  

@duck that was the idea

 


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25/02/2020 8:47 pm  

One thing that interests me: the letters are s h t B e t i s a y f a, but the latter T is not a normal letter hit, rather it's created by the line intersecting something else. It doesn't hit any of "thy", it's not even the cross of the t in thy. So where the hell did this little random dash come from? Aiwass? 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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26/02/2020 12:07 am  

@set-tetu-ra

Nice observation. From what I can see its the "crossbar" (I looked up the terminology 😊 ) of the "t" in "try" but shifted to the right so its disconnected, which makes sense if it was written in a hurry like its claimed. So if we count it as a "t", then its interesting that it had to be written like that, otherwise the line would not have intersected it later. My other thought is that if its not to be seen as a "t", it could be seen as a minus sign "-", so you could see what numbers you get by subtracting the value of the letters after it from those before.

 


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26/02/2020 12:30 am  
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@set-tetu-ra

Nice observation. From what I can see its the "crossbar" (I looked up the terminology 😊 ) of the "t" in "try" but shifted to the right so its disconnected, which makes sense if it was written in a hurry like its claimed. So if we count it as a "t", then its interesting that it had to be written like that, otherwise the line would not have intersected it later. My other thought is that if its not to be seen as a "t", it could be seen as a minus sign "-", so you could see what numbers you get by subtracting the value of the letters after it from those before.

 

Well accepting the first sht is Set = 31 and that the capital B is a new idea. 

 

2+5 = 7

9 + 10 + 300 + 1 + 10 + 80 + 1 = 411

7 - 411 = -404

 

 

Or

7+31= 38

38-411= -373

 

 

Though maybe we take Shin-Tau as 700.

707-411= 296. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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26/02/2020 12:53 am  

@set-tetu-ra

As in "404 Error, Page not found", lol. This could be psychically telling us that this is the wrong line of inquiry, though a different rendering of "Betisayfa" may give better results.

edit: thanks for giving those alternate renderings, though I can't get much out of those numbers right now (the best I can do is "The cubic root of 296 is about 6.6644437033", which isn't much, but at least its something 🙂 )

 


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26/02/2020 1:34 am  

@duck

 

Hmmm. 

2+9+6= 17= 8. 

 

Liber LVIII:

2
The Dyad — the Superficies, derived from 1 by reflection 1/1, or by revolution of the line around its end. The Demiurge. The divine Will.
The Father.
The Ego; that which thinks "I" — a falsehood, because to think "I" is to deny "not-I" and thus to create the Dyad.
 
6
The Senary, Mind. Derived from 2 and 3 by multiplication.
The Son — partaking of all these natures.
Imagination
 
9
The Ennead, Stability in Change. Derived from 2 and 3 by multiplication, 9 = 32. (Note all numbers divisible by nine are still so divisible, however the order of the figures is shifted.)
The Son degraded to mere animal life.
Animal being 
 
70
The Sanhedrin and the precepts of the Law. The Divine 7 in its most material aspect.
 
90
Number of Tzaddi, a fishhook = Tanha, the clinging of man to life (9), the trap in which man is caught as a fish is caught by a hook. The most material aspect of animal life; its final doom decreed by its own lust. alsoמים, Water.
 
300
The letter ש, meaning "tooth," and suggesting by its shape a triple flame. Refers Yetziratically to fire, and is symbolic of the Holy Spirit, רוח אלהים‎ = 300. Hence the letter of the Spirit. Descending into the midst of יהוה, the four inferior elements, we get יהשוה Jeheshua, the Saviour, symbolised by the Pentagram.
 
400
The letter ת, "The Universe." It is the square of 20, "The Wheel of Fortune," and shows the Universe therefore as the Sphere of Fortune — the Samsara-Cakkram, where Karma, which fools call chance, rules.

400 is the total number of he Sephiroth, each of the 10 containing 210 in itself and being repeated in the 4 worlds of Atziluth, Briah, Yetzirah, and Assiah. These four worlds are themselves attributed to יהוה, which is therefore not the name of a tribal fetish, but the formula of a system.

 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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26/02/2020 4:17 am  
Posted by: @faustian

I guess if you try enough permutations of geography and numerology, you might stumble on a useful piece of information... My sense is that all of this leads one away from specificity into conjecture. 

On verse I:46 we read the sentence - Sixty-one the Jews call it; I call it eight, eighty, four hundred & eighteen. So finally we are given a clear equation of sorts

61 x = 880,418 y

Where x is something 'Jewish' and y is something contemporary Anglo-Saxon. The numbers in an of themselves are not important, but rather their relationship to one another. Finding out what x and y are is the key to unravelling the rest. Once you determine what y is, you can then apply the answer to II:76.

Just messing around, it's also:

X = 880,418y ÷ 61 

61x - 880,418y = 0 

The last one is most telling, 61x must be greater than 880,418, at the very least I'd think. I'm not great with math but I'm not sure if X and Y can be solved from that. We'd need X, if Y is the solution. Somewhere else in AL?

 

If we had X or Y or another equation we could plot a 2D graph, maybe that would match the line of AL III?

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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26/02/2020 4:37 am  
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Posted by: @faustian

I guess if you try enough permutations of geography and numerology, you might stumble on a useful piece of information... My sense is that all of this leads one away from specificity into conjecture. 

On verse I:46 we read the sentence - Sixty-one the Jews call it; I call it eight, eighty, four hundred & eighteen. So finally we are given a clear equation of sorts

61 x = 880,418 y

Where x is something 'Jewish' and y is something contemporary Anglo-Saxon. The numbers in an of themselves are not important, but rather their relationship to one another. Finding out what x and y are is the key to unravelling the rest. Once you determine what y is, you can then apply the answer to II:76.

Just messing around, it's also:

X = 880,418y ÷ 61 

61x - 880,418y = 0 

The last one is most telling, 61x must be greater than 880,418, at the very least I'd think. I'm not great with math but I'm not sure if X and Y can be solved from that. We'd need X, if Y is the solution. Somewhere else in AL?

 

If we had X or Y or another equation we could plot a 2D graph, maybe that would match the line of AL III?

Also: I,47: But they have the half: unite by thine art so that all disappear. 

 

Does this mean we're looking at 120x? 

 

Maybe it's 8+80+418=506? 120x-506y = 0? That seems more manageable.

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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26/02/2020 9:45 am  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

8+80+418=506

Yes, that's another one I've seen. 506 is a "square pyramidal" number and is interesting in itself but that's not important now.

Your post got me thinking that instead of doubling the "x" side, we could halve the "y" side:

61x = 253y

I looked into the properties of 253 and was pleasantly surprised to find that it is a "star number" (the 7th one), here's a pic:

253 star

The Star of David, the symbol of "the Jews" mentioned in the verse!

 

253 127 star

And here we can see it as 6 triangular numbers (6 x 21 = 126) plus 1 "centered hexagonal" number (127).

I don't know how significant this is or if its evidence of the "praeterhuman" intelligence behind AL. Though its possible Crowley was aware of these figurate numbers and "made it all up", I consider it fairly unlikely. Its not like he had the technology we have today where he could easily look up a number online and find out its properties.

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26/02/2020 10:46 am  
Posted by: @herupakraath

It is unlikely that many of Crowley's associates ever saw the grid drawn on the page. The first publication of Liber Legis that included a facsimile of the manuscript showed the page as shown below. I'm not aware of any other printing of the text in Crowley's lifetime that included a facsimile:

The Equinox of the Gods (1936) included a facsimile of the manuscript, and the grid is shown there. This facsimile would have been used by Grant and Symonds when preparing Magical and Philosophical Commentaries on the Book of the Law (1974); this is almost certainly the case, since Yorke posted the manuscript to Germer in 1948.

I recall reading somewhere that Crowley added the grid whilst at Cefalù.

 


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26/02/2020 4:02 pm  
Posted by: @duck
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

8+80+418=506

Yes, that's another one I've seen. 506 is a "square pyramidal" number and is interesting in itself but that's not important now.

Your post got me thinking that instead of doubling the "x" side, we could halve the "y" side:

61x = 253y

I looked into the properties of 253 and was pleasantly surprised to find that it is a "star number" (the 7th one), here's a pic:

253 star

The Star of David, the symbol of "the Jews" mentioned in the verse!

 

253 127 star

And here we can see it as 6 triangular numbers (6 x 21 = 126) plus 1 "centered hexagonal" number (127).

I don't know how significant this is or if its evidence of the "praeterhuman" intelligence behind AL. Though its possible Crowley was aware of these figurate numbers and "made it all up", I consider it fairly unlikely. Its not like he had the technology we have today where he could easily look up a number online and find out its properties.

Best regards,

Duck.

I've seen you do this stuff a lot. Can you explain how this works and why? Like how does 506 = a hexagram? And is there a free program I can play with this new knowledge? 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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26/02/2020 4:30 pm  

@set-tetu-ra

Good question. Some numbers just happen to have the property that they can be arranged into shapes, "figurate numbers" I believe. For example that Star of David shape has 253 dots, and as 506 / 2 = 253, that number seems to have a resonance with "...the Jews call it" and "...they have the half". Also I just noticed that its the 22nd triangular number so the 22 Hebrew letters seem to tie in with it too.

I'm looking for a program that would allow me to make these "figurate" number pics automatically. I will let you know on this thread if I do. I think there are some, I just need to test them first. Up until now I just search for an appropriate pic with Google and change it a bit with GIMP (a free program like photoshop).

https://www.gimp.org/

 

A useful site I use to look at number properties is:

http://www.numbersaplenty.com/

You can type in any number up to 15 digits. 

I also use:

https://www.virtuescience.com/number.html

Which has numbers up to 2500.

I'm a bit obsessive with this number stuff, and I think numbers that make nice patterns seem more "interesting". 😊 

 

 


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26/02/2020 4:45 pm  

Here's a program that can do this sort of thing:

https://www.geogebra.org/

Its fairly technical and it will take me some time to learn it. This page shows how it can be used for the "figurate" stuff:

https://www.geogebra.org/m/Pt87zyD5


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26/02/2020 5:04 pm  

@set-tetu-ra It would seem that I:46 establishes a relationship of sorts - which can mathematically be translated as an equation. The x and y variables in my example are not cartesian coordinates, but rather simple variables in an equation where 

61 x = 880,418 y

The relationship of the jewish measure of a parasa to feet would satisfy this equation; that's it. 880,418 feet is approximately 166.75 miles - that is the key here - possibly the distance of a line or alternatively the distance of the perimeter of the triangle defined by ABK in II:76.

 


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26/02/2020 6:59 pm  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

So really the grid may be entirely irrelevant. III:47 itself says not to do anything to the pages or letters in the original. It makes me think the solution is directly related to the letters on the page and where the line falls, not the grid or the line over some sort of map or image. 

Posted by: @herupakraath

 

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Crowley probably drew the grid at some point after C.S. Jones penned Liber 31, around 1920 I suspect. The presence of the grid suggests Crowley attempted to solve the mystery of the letters and the three keys himself. The mysteries of the verse can be solved both with and without the grid, which is remarkable, as it shows Crowley was still under the influence of the author of Liber Legis all those years later.  When I get around to publishing my solution, I'll prove it.

 

 

I've lately also been interested in the "line drawn" without the grid and especially what sort of connection it might have with the "Circle Squared" and "Abrahadabra" and other keys mentioned. They all, in my opinion, must have a definite connection with each other and these keys cannot be viewed as some separate concepts from each other.

 

One possible "line of inquiry" I have been playing around of late is that disregarding the grid, we can observe that the line drawn begins on the word "shape" and ends up pointing just above the word "its".

 

Especially the concept of Babalon as "IT" and "Its Shape" has been of interest for me, especially if the line drawn is "pointing to something" and there is to be some sort of reasonable connection with abrahadabra and circle squared in its failure:

 

But what was the shape of IT modelled after?

One possible candidate in terms of Thelema and Golden Dawn we can encounter is the model on which the official seal of the AAwas created, at least according to some Thelemic commentators and writers:

 

Attention of mine has been the triangle inverted, the heptagram and how it ties to the concept of Biblical and mystical Babylon. Of course, Babalon as a concept in the system of Thelema is more mystical and having connection with the City of Pyramids, rather than some historical archeological sites to inquire or excavate, even though there might be some possible candidates in remote antiquity that gave the beginning to the myth.

 

One quote of Crowley that aroused mine interests in all of these so that they might be somehow related to the concept of IT/BABALON/BABYLON and the development of her/IT’s symbology in Crowley's works is found in Crowley's Magical Record:

 

“When I was Levi, I drew myself as Ayin or Baphomet, 'The Devil' with Beast's Head. This is the Beast throned, crowned, exalted; the leaper, the erect, the butter-in. Her womb is my city, Babel. This Ayin is then my phallic will, my Holy Guardian Angel, Aiwaz, who was afterwards called Satan.”

 

 

Crowley uses the word "Babel" and says “Her womb is my city, Babel” and the city, in the context of Thelema, most likely refers to the City of Pyramids ( even though Crowley  later settled for the spelling of Babalon after receiving the correct spelling during his Aethyr skryings. I believe in the notes related to Liber 418 he still uses the word “Babel” in some context, but disregards after receiving the correct spelling of Babalon).

 

Still, the concept of Babalon, Babylon having it’s origin in the Babylonian/Assyrian and Biblical lore and it also later assumed the Christian eschatological aspect in John’s Revelation.

 

The Harlot, Babylon, is according to Zechariah: "a mountain" yet in John’s Revelation the mountains are said to be seven. Some Christian eschatologists supposed the woman to be the city of Rome and not Babylon at all, on account of Rome being said to be built on seven hills, but Babylon, as a concept, existed even in more remote times than Rome in more poetic and mystical terms.

 

In a work called "Nimrod," by Hon. A. Herbert (not a historical work by any means) published in 1828 we read:

"Babylon was built, saith Herodotus, in a quadrangular form with equal sides, which is to say, in the form of a square, on both sides of the Euphrates"

 

"This shape, which is the plane of the cube or Magna Mater (for the Magna Mater was cube) was not accidental but mysterical and superstitious. Perseus, Bellerophon, or Tiptolemus, or according to other, Sennacherib (perhaps we sould say Calchas) founded Tarsus in imitation 'of the shape of Babylon (Abydensus ap. Enseb. Chron. L. i. p. 25 Milan) with the river Cydnus intersecting it in the middle, just as the Euphrates divided Babylon, and this city was held so sacred, that its name is referred to in the most remarkable mysteries in the history of Perseus and Bellerophon; which by the way is a fresh proof of these heroic names belonging to the king of Babel. And Babylon not have received its peculiar form from Nebuchadnezzar because Sennacherib (the latest of the supposed founders of Tarsus) reigned two generations before the revolt of Nabopolassar.”

Crowley also maintained the 8-lettered spelling of Baphomet and in various parts of his work Crowley also refers to Baphomet as the cornerstone.

 

Crowley also writes of Baphomet as such:

I had taken the name Baphomet as my motto in the O.T.O. For six years and more I had tried to discover the proper way to spell this name. I knew that it must have eight letters, and also that the numerical and literal correspondences must be such as to express the meaning of the name in such a way as to confirm what scholarship had found out about it, and also to clear up those problems which archaeologists had so far failed to solve ... One theory of the name is that it represents the words βαφὴ μήτεος, the baptism of wisdom; another, that it is a corruption of a title meaning "Father Mithras". Needless to say, the suffix R supported the latter theory. I added up the word as spelt by the Wizard. It totalled 729. This number had never appeared in my Cabbalistic working and therefore meant nothing to me. It however justified itself as being the cube of nine. The word κηφας, the mystic title given by Christ to Peter as the cornerstone of the Church, has this same value. So far, the Wizard had shown great qualities! He had cleared up the etymological problem and shown why the Templars should have given the name Baphomet to their so-called idol. Baphomet was Father Mithras, the cubical stone which was the corner of the Temple.”

 

This 729 as the spelling of Baphomet is not totally unfounded, because one can even construct a Magical Square of such with the central element of “365”:

For 729 is not only a Cube (9 x 9 x 9), but it is also a Square ( 27 x 27 )

And like we read in the book "Nimrod," by Hon. A. Herbert that I already quoted:

"Babylon was built, saith Herodotus, in a quadrangular form with equal sides, which is to say, in the form of a square, on both sides of the Euphrates"This shape, which is the plane of the cube or Magna Mater (for the Magna Mater was cube) was not accidental but mysterical and superstitious

 

These should not be regarded as some historical claims, but rather Christian eschatologist and mystical interpretations, for Babylon/Babalon is in literal opposition as the Great City to the New Jerusalem (which is also represented by this same sort of “Foundation Stone” or Perfect Cube/Square)

 

On the other hand, in the Revelation, St. John saw a woman sitting upon a beast with “seven heads, which are seven heads, which are seven mountains, and the woman was a great city, and upon her forehead was written 'a mystery Babylon the great'” .

 

 

How these legends, and chiefly biblical myths tie to Thelemic religious concepts and especially those of more mystical and symbolical character?

 

 

Baphomet, The Square and the plane of Pyramid and Babylon/Babalon are also somewhat interrelated with each other.

 

The same book I cited above goes on to describe concerning the shape of Babylon:

 

Contrast those with the descriptions of the Seven Lamps, Seven Hills and the Seven Planetary spheres on which the sigil or seal of AA and model of Babalon was constructed by Crowley. And especially the inverted Trinagle of the ceiling of the vault of the adepti, that was remodelled by the shape that is divided in the middle, or the Greek letter Theta featured in the seal of AA∴.

 

In another book The computation of 666 I also stumbled on this quote that talks of the 7 concentric hills connects this with the “same intention to represent the triangle” in terms of symbology that might have relevance with the Abrahadababra and perhaps connection with the number 77 on which Babalon was constructed from:

 

Reading the above passage, it is is also interesting to note, that the seal of Babalon was worked around the same symbolical building blocks so to speak, and multiplying the “layers” of Isis triangle and that of Abracadabra 7 x 11 we also get = the number 77 which was one of the main "formula" on which Babalon was worked on:

 

I hope I did not drift too far away from the original topic, but  in my opinion, there are some very interesting synchronism especially if these are tied with some other keys such those of ShT, Baphomet, Babalon, Magna Mater, Abracadabra and IT and AL. I really do not think there is any other better way to express my thoughts than to quote Crowley's Book of Lies Chapter 77:

THE SUBLIME AND SUPREME SEPTENARY IN ITS MATURE MAGICAL MANIFESTATION THROUGH MATTER:
AS IT IS WRITTEN: AN HE-GOAT ALSO

 

 

Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.


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26/02/2020 7:02 pm  

Another couple of these pics:

253 91 star

With this version we have the outline composed of 102 dots and the white with 151 dots (I don't know if those numbers mean anything).

 

253 61 star

This one shows how the 61 (in purple) is itself related to the hexagram shape. Its the 5th "Centered Hexagonal" number, so it may hint at the 5 = 6 thing.

 

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triangle defined by ABK

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@behemoth

Thanks for the synchronous post. The foundation stone and 27x27 square integrates with my Cabalistic working with Trigrammaton and provided reinforcement for attributions, their placement and relationships. In particular, at this time, to Baphomet and the O.T.O., the Master of the Temple and the Second Order and the Priestess of the Silver Star to the A∴A∴.


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27/02/2020 1:43 am  

Somebody dropped this on Reddit today with no explanation. 

lqu0528ko8j41

Idk, it's interesting. It seems he's comparing the line drawn of AL III to the arm in the image of Babalon and the line of the elliptic pole. The latter is especially interesting.

Can someone with more tools than me (I'm packed to move) see if the angle of the line matches the pole? 

If it really is a reference to the Imperishable Stars then that all but confirms it's solution is SET, which factors in all the letters touched, the angle of the line, the circle drawn, and the use of Abrahadabra. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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@behemoth

I noticed this a while ago and it now seems relevant to your post:

p60heptagon

If you make a copy of the page and then rotate it around the centre of the "circle squared" until the bottom of the "line drawn" touches the first line, you can repeat this process until you have 7 lines, which form a heptagon. If the angle of the line or position of the circle had been different, we would not get this shape.

 

p60heptagon close

A close up done in "difference mode" showing the overlaps. The letters " n i s a d i n A " are enclosed in the heptagon, or if we count the incomplete ones (including the tiny bit of the "a" in "and") "n i s a d i n a d A b". (pretty meaningless to me).

 

p60x7

A Jackson Pollock-esque "artwork" I did some time ago.

 


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The synchronicity in this thread is increasing. 😛 

If you measure it from the top of the line to "Beast" its pretty close, about 23.2 deg (the real figure is 23.4). If you measure the whole line its a bit off, about 25 deg.

edit: from wikipedia "Earth's obliquity oscillates between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees[2] on a 41,000-year cycle; Earth's mean obliquity is currently 23°26′12.0″ (or 23.43667°) and decreasing".

So if you consider this 41,000 yr cycle you can just about get it to fit.

 


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27/02/2020 2:32 am  
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@set-tetu-ra

The synchronicity in this thread is increasing. 😛 

If you measure it from the top of the line to "Beast" its pretty close, about 23.2 deg (the real figure is 23.4). If you measure the whole line its a bit off, about 25 deg.

edit: from wikipedia "Earth's obliquity oscillates between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees[2] on a 41,000-year cycle; Earth's mean obliquity is currently 23°26′12.0″ (or 23.43667°) and decreasing".

So if you consider this 41,000 yr cycle you can just about get it to fit.

 

I want to do a full write up on this now haha. To me we just solved the mystery. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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27/02/2020 2:51 am  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

If it really is a reference to the Imperishable Stars then that all but confirms it's solution is SET

When it first caught my eye, I thought the idea was to compare the liber line and Babalon's pose to the mouth of Draco.

For anyone not in the know as to the quoted poster's references to the circumpolar constellations and their alleged relation to the god Set, there is a well known bas-relief from the temple complex in Dendera which depicts a Ptolemaic era conception of the Egyptian zodiac -- Ursa Minor is seen represented by a jackal, the animal of Anubis, son of Set. Draco is Taweret, whose astral form is sometimes associated with Set.

I've read that the so-called Dog of Set constellation appears earlier as art in the Ramesseum.


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A rather silly idea I just had:

p60 angles

What if the different angles caused by the "wonkiness" of the line could encode information? (The accuracy here isn't that high).

 

Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

To me we just solved the mystery. 

Wow. If you really think so, you might want double check those angles for yourself to see if you are happy with them. I think we can allow some leeway because to get truly accurate figures we would need to measure the original, and then you would still need to decide where the vertical line (the zero degree point) would be, the side of the page may be wonky itself. And here is where the grid may actually be important: each one of the vertical lines is at a slightly different angle, and one of these may be the "proper" vertical for the measurement. Possibly the letters "a" to "h" at the top could be important too, for example the "g" looks like a "9". 


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27/02/2020 12:11 pm  

Another fun one:

p60 angle 333

The angle of the line from end to end is pretty much 27°, so the opposite angle is:

360 - 27 = 333° !

(as you can probably tell, I have a lot of spare time at the moment 🙂 )


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27/02/2020 12:28 pm  
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To me we just solved the mystery

If so, then what is the Key of it all, and how is it that Abrahadabra is his child & that strangely? Who is the child?


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Some Christian eschatologists supposed the woman to be the city of Rome and not Babylon at all, on account of Rome being said to be built on seven hills, but Babylon, as a concept, existed even in more remote times than Rome in more poetic and mystical terms.

Noting for completeness I just learned this week that Prague also has seven hills and was a major occult center of influence with John Dee and Edward Kelly and where Kelly would meet his doom falling from the tower. So we continue to see Enochian influence in this mystery. (See this youtube playlist for the Prague references).

Also it must be mentioned you are outdoing yourself on some of the finest Thelemic independent research I have ever seen, a benediction to us all.

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Noting for completeness I just learned this week that Prague also has seven hills and was a major occult center of influence with John Dee and Edward Kelly and where Kelly would meet his doom falling from the tower. So we continue to see Enochian influence in this mystery.

Yes, we also see the "Enochian influence on this mystery" reflected in the many other cities built on seven hills, that are also thus Babylon, such as NY's state capital of Albany (a place where anyone who wants to see demons manifest in physical form can find dozens of them), Worcester, Mass., and Pottsville, Pennsylvania.

Wikipedia.org - List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills

Seldom have i ever seen such impressive examples of Texas sharp-shooting, confirmation bias, wishful thinking, and adroit use of the "fudge factor" as in the recent numerology/cypher-solving threads. However, since AC often did similar things, no one can say you are not following in his footsteps.

As @herupakraath says, even leaving aside the dubious methods used, we are left asking "So what?"


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Posted by: @runelogix

Noting for completeness I just learned this week that Prague also has seven hills and was a major occult center of influence with John Dee and Edward Kelly and where Kelly would meet his doom falling from the tower. So we continue to see Enochian influence in this mystery.

Yes, we also see the "Enochian influence on this mystery" reflected in the many other cities built on seven hills, that are also thus Babylon, such as NY's state capital of Albany (a place where anyone who wants to see demons manifest in physical form can find dozens of them), Worcester, Mass., and Pottsville, Pennsylvania.

Wikipedia.org - List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills

Seldom have i ever seen such impressive examples of Texas sharp-shooting, confirmation bias, wishful thinking, and adroit use of the "fudge factor" as in the recent numerology/cypher-solving threads. However, since AC often did similar things, no one can say you are not following in his footsteps.

As @herupakraath says, even leaving aside the dubious methods used, we are left asking "So what?"

 

 

I personally am not interested in some actual locations where to go for treasure hunting. I must say I am also quite bored with the subject as whole (without pointing any fingers). In my defence I also want to say, that I've tried my very best to keep the Qabalistic doodling and equations to absolutely bare minimium! But it is easy to get carried away.

 

There is almost 14 years old thread here on Lashtal that discusses some relevance that I would equate with the concept of Babylon/Babalon and the Palace of the 4 gates, rather than Prague, and that I personally believe having more relevance to Crowley's claims to Achad where he says "Your Key opens Palace" in context of Thelema:

 

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/thelema-and-enochian-magick/

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I've always been struck by the passage in chapter one of "The Book of the Law" that discusses the four gates to one palace. I think much of the mystery of this verse can be explained by referring to a dream Edward Kelley had while working in Dee's employ. This is outlined in Geoffrey James' book "The Enochian Magick of Dr. John Dee." Kelley saw a castle with a central tower surrounded by four gates. Four parades of angels marched out of the tower toward the gates in hierarchies which came to be incorporated into the elemental Watchtower tablets which the Golden Dawn later used in its initiations.

 

I have only superficial knowledge of the Enochian system, so I really cannot say anything definite about it, even though I read Crowley's Liber 418 multiple times. Even though I own a copy of Dr. John Dee`s Spiritual Diaries, I have not yet found the time to read it.

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In my defence I also want to say, that I've tried my very best to keep the Qabalistic doodling and equations to absolutely bare minimium! But it is easy to get carried away.

The core process of the scientific method is experimentation, the root of which is inspiration. If it were not for a thought or suspicion, or numerous other mental processes, first step toward science or success would never be taken, so in that respect no one should be criticized for trying.

To Qabalistic doodling, we can add the term mathematical noodling, but at some point the continuum will have to take a step back and realize the likelihood of success in solving the mysteries of Liber Legis lies with a magical alphabet, which must include gematria, but not exclusively, which is a failing of most efforts.


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Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

To me we just solved the mystery

If so, then what is the Key of it all, and how is it that Abrahadabra is his child & that strangely? Who is the child?

Could it be referencing Achad as magical child of Crowley who discovered 31 = Set as a key? Maybe there's an equation to SET we can apply elsewhere? 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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The core process of the scientific method is experimentation, the root of which is inspiration.

Fair enough, but the other "core process of the scientific method" is some kind of rigor in hypothesis-testing.

Inspirations that fail testing get rejected, not fudged into working.


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Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

If it really is a reference to the Imperishable Stars then that all but confirms it's solution is SET

When it first caught my eye, I thought the idea was to compare the liber line and Babalon's pose to the mouth of Draco.

For anyone not in the know as to the quoted poster's references to the circumpolar constellations and their alleged relation to the god Set, there is a well known bas-relief from the temple complex in Dendera which depicts a Ptolemaic era conception of the Egyptian zodiac -- Ursa Minor is seen represented by a jackal, the animal of Anubis, son of Set. Draco is Taweret, whose astral form is sometimes associated with Set.

I've read that the so-called Dog of Set constellation appears earlier as art in the Ramesseum.

Set himself was associated to Ursa Major was my take, but I did not know about Anubis being Ursa Minor? Maybe thats the child mentioned in the riddle? It is interesting that it's to the dragons mouth, has anyone looked into the Crooked Path of Andrew Chumbley based around all that? I thought Dragon Book of Essex was inspiring if not overwhelming. 

The Dragon became as a Many-headed Serpent, Its fiery tongues bearingforth Speech Into all the Kingdoms of the Earth.

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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27/02/2020 3:42 pm  

@set-tetu-ra Set is a major yet invisible influence in Chumbley's Azoetia. Copies can be found online easily. I just tried searching the text for Set and Ursa Major and found no hits but their are images of Set contained therein.

 

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@set-tetu-ra Set is a major yet invisible influence in Chumbley's Azoetia. Copies can be found online easily. I just tried searching the text for Set and Ursa Major and found no hits but their are images of Set contained therein.

 

Just downloaded it! The image on the spine is definitely Set. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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27/02/2020 4:11 pm  

From the same Reddit user. 

vutnyiyfy8j41 (1)

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27/02/2020 4:19 pm  

Doesn't seem to match the shaft to me. 

pyramid star shaft 2
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Doesn't seem to match the shaft to me. 

As the actress said to the bishop.


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27/02/2020 5:04 pm  
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@faustian

Not sure if this is what you meant. I had to cheat a bit and rotate the grid page.

mallawi

 

The failure of the circle is monotheism maybe!

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Nice observation. From what I can see its the "crossbar" (I looked up the terminology 😊 ) of the "t" in "try" but shifted to the right so its disconnected, which makes sense if it was written in a hurry like its claimed. So if we count it as a "t", then its interesting that it had to be written like that, otherwise the line would not have intersected it later. My other thought is that if its not to be seen as a "t", it could be seen as a minus sign "-", so you could see what numbers you get by subtracting the value of the letters after it from those before.

 

I always wondered why there was this arbitrary "must be written in a hour" thing. Maybe to force precisely such a "mistake" to create the riddle?  

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Posted by: @ignant666

Seldom have i ever seen such impressive examples of Texas sharp-shooting, confirmation bias, wishful thinking, and adroit use of the "fudge factor" as in the recent numerology/cypher-solving threads. However, since AC often did similar things, no one can say you are not following in his footsteps.

😜

Its an art as much its a science! (if the art is bad, I can say its a science. If the science is bad, I can say its an art). 😊 

If you're referring to some of my posts (e.g. my "base 26 malarkey"), I am more than happy if you could "peer review" them, getting some feedback is why I posted them. My communication skills are poor, and some of what I intended probably didn't come through. Also for me, the humour is part of what makes it "work", and it may just be a private joke of one person.


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It's not personal, kid, strictly business.


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27/02/2020 7:15 pm  
Posted by: @duck

Another fun one:

p60 angle 333

The angle of the line from end to end is pretty much 27°, so the opposite angle is:

360 - 27 = 333° !

(as you can probably tell, I have a lot of spare time at the moment 🙂 )

What is the red lined graph here?

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Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

From the same Reddit user. 

And I suppose 179 finds significance here as 17:9, the verse in the book of revelation which describes the seven hills. I remember making some post in an old thread wherein I translated the phrase 'abomination of desolation' into middle Egyptian and transliterated the noises back into English, which enumerated to 179 in trig. QBL, which might also have inspired your friend but I hope not. I don't like the idea of any old plebbitor redditard lurking on LAShTAL.

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It's not personal, kid, strictly business.

Ah, back on this popper0 kick, naïve falsificationism. You know, thought within the theory of epistemological anarchism finds an obsession with so-called scientific methodology (to the exclusion of other traditions as a demarcator of truth) to be rooted in racist attitudes, especially when this science, a white tradition, is held as supreme by a white man like yourself.

I remember a few years ago, when a vibrant young negress from South Africa was harassed simply for espousing this notion in terms not in keeping with western philosophy.

Keep on with this reactionary, colonialist falsificationism and I will be forced to ask, "ignant, why do you hate black people?"


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