I just meant I would appreciate any feedback, I don't mind if its negative. I'd be interested to know what you thought and might learn something. Go on, have this "four (star)gates to one palace" in return. 🙂
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra
What is the red lined graph here?
Its just a simple angle measuring tool, you can get it here:
Keep on with this reactionary, colonialist falsificationism and I will be forced to ask, "ignant, why do you hate black people?"
Your rather lame parody of a "super-woke" scholar of "subaltern peoples" is noted- now shut your pie-hole with that nonsense.
So we should avoid "naïve falsificationism", and that silly old "method of science*" AC spent so much time talking about, and just thus believe any old thing we hear (from Goo-Roos, or any internal chattering monkey that cares to speak up)? Please.
As to "ignant666 is teh real racist because he thinks mush-minded woo-woo is silly": Pretty sure there will more black folks at my funeral than yours.
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* Yes, i know, "science" is a racist colonial practice designed to maintain the control of the bourgeoisie over the means of production (wait, am i showing my age by thinking you kids still even care about such boring things?)
@djedi - Does your critique of "naive falsificationism"include refusing the many technologies developed by "naive falsificationists" that include vaccines, airplanes, computers, and the internets?
No, i didn't think so. Well, i mean, obviously, not those ones- some imaginary other things is what you meant, right?
Only your earlier claim that you imagine yourself as some sort of ontological terrorist saves me from thinking that you actually meant that stuff, and are thus an idiot.
So we should avoid "naïve falsificationism", and that silly old "method of science*" AC spent so much time talking about,
Gödel, Kuhn, Lepenies and many more have come since AC was taught the imperfect metatheory of science that limited the thought of his time and still limits some today.
Really though, I'm just messing around with you. When I was in the physics department, I was convinced none of the other grads knew anything more about the nature of scientific knowledge than the 'soft' scientists they derided, which you have alluded to once being. To speak of Feyerabend without weaponizing the "gayer" (in the words of my generation) corollaries of his theory, I remember reading his lament over the philosophically-retarded mentality of modern physicists. I came to the same conclusion only as a bright-eyed wunderkind studying as an undergrad to become a cosmologist. When pressured to disdain the soft sciences, I must have been the only student to wonder why.
As you might imagine, it was much harder for a man, or boy, in my position at that time to accept Feyerabendian Science than it would have been for any kind of psychologist or sociologist, or whatever. If I were in a fey mood, I might even call the experience minerval.
If so, then what is the Key of it all, and how is it that Abrahadabra is his child & that strangely? Who is the child?
Could it be referencing Achad as magical child of Crowley who discovered 31 = Set as a key? Maybe there's an equation to SET we can apply elsewhere?
Posted by: @set-tetu-re
The failure of the circle is monotheism maybe!
A circle with a cross in it ( a squared circle) was code in Crowley's diaries for a sexual opus or working. This has been previously mentioned here on Lashtal.com, at least by Faustian and I believe it is rather common knowledge.
This squared circle, for example, is also prominently featured on the chest of Crowley’s Scarlet Woman (or women?). I think this picture is familiar to most of Lashtalians:
I already posted a picture of this passage, but I must reproduce it again, in regards to the office of Scarlet Woman/Babalon and the Beast and their "apocalyptical roles" and for relevancy’s sake for the rest of my post:
This kind of A world-wide deluge, such as described in Genesis, is incompatible with modern scientific understanding, but even Crowley uses terms such as:
“Blessing unto the name of the Beast, for he hath let loose a mighty flood of fire from his manhood, and from his womanhood hath he let loose a mighty flood of water.”
And I think Crowley at least himself did believe his 1904 receiving of the Book of the Law caused some sort of “Baptism of Fire” by declaring the Aeon of Horus and some world wars ensuing in the zeitgeist of the time.
But what is the failure indicated here in the verse relating to Circle Squared if we are to regard it as a symbol for sexual operation?
In Sepher Sephiroth we find under the value “51” the following values that are perhaps relevant for this discussion, especially those of Edom and Failure that is נא:
(In elsewhere of his works, Crowley also writes of "51" representing Failure to him, for example in Book of Lies, Crowley writes: The number 51 means failure and pain, and its subject is appropriately doubt. )
( I am not going to post the rest of the failure equations for the length of this post, but I believe there are numerous others indications than this in Crowley's writing, or at least I remember reading so )
Crowley had his “magical training and upbrining” in the Golden Dawn framework and everyone who is at least familiar with works such as “Kabbalah Unveiled” by McGregor Mathers must be familiar with the concept of Edomite Kings.
I quote one Thelemite commentator, but the Flood myth in Biblical context and its relation with the Edomite Kings who perished can be found in numerous works on the Kabbalah lore:
Reference to the Kings of Edom lead us to very subtle and sublime meanings of the Tower card and the path of Peh.
The fall of the Kings of Edom refer to the conquest of the nation by the Jews. There is, however, a much deeper esoteric meaning to this fall or this sudden destruction as depicted in the Tower card, and symbolically refers to the Kings of Edom. On the other hand, the Zohar points out that in the creation of the Universe, there were at one time other Universes, other forms of existence, with which the Divine was displeased and which he then reduced to a state of chaos or a state of nothingness.
We can see other biblical implications depicted by the Tower card. It can and has been referred to as the "Tower of Babel", a parable wherein the relation of speech and the Tower is clearly shown.
Remember that Peh refers literally to meaning mouth.
Apparently, in this mythology, after the flood, the descendants were said to have settled in Babylon where they built a city of rock and brick. They also supposedly attempted to build a tower to God. They attempted to reach heaven, but apparently, according to the mythos, God seeing these men as course and vicious sought to punish them. So, with the destruction of the Tower of Babel by God, we see that the whole Earth, which at one point was under one language, all of a sudden, with the destruction, has various forms of language.
The Tower card, of course, to Crowley, which he also renamed to “War” and is also related to the bold claim by Crowley depicting that “mighty flood of fire” that Crowley claimed to have caused.
In Book of Thoth, Crowley writes:
The dominating feature of this card is the Eye of Horus. This is also the Eye of Shiva, on the opening of which, according to the legend of this cult, the Universe is destroyed.
The picture shows the destruction of existing material by fire. It may be taken as the preface to Atu XX, the Last Judgment, i.e., the Coming of a New Aeon.
Besides this, there is a special technical magical meaning, which is explained openly only to initiates of the Eleventh degree of the O.T.O.; a grade so secret that it is not even listed in the official documents. It is not even to be understood by study of the Eye in Atu XV. Perhaps it is lawful to mention that the Arab sages and the Persian poets have written, not always guardedly, on the subject.
Posted by: @set-tetu-re
If you measure it from the top of the line to "Beast" its pretty close, about 23.2 deg (the real figure is 23.4). If you measure the whole line its a bit off, about 25 deg.
From wikipedia"Earth's obliquity oscillates between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees[2] on a 41,000-year cycle; Earth's mean obliquity is currently 23°26′12.0″ (or 23.43667°) and decreasing".
Your post in another thread, originally by some (a bit looney?) poster on Reddit, did raise my interest, especially the feature that points out to the previous North Star Alpha Draconis, around 3000 BC.
And especially the relationship it has with the Serpent in astronomy.
The traditional name Thuban is derived from Arabic the word ثعبان thuʿbān, 'large snake' (e.g. a python or a legendary draconian serpent)
The relationship with the Serpent, Edom, and the mythological Atlantis (that was also said to be destroyed by a Flood) is also speculated by René Guénon in his Symbols of Sacred Science that I quoted in my earlier posts:
From this last point, we want to draw at least one conclusion: at the decline of a civilisation, it is the most inferior side of its tradition which persists the longest, in particular the ‘magical’ side, which, moreover, contributes to the complete ruin of the tradition by the deviations it gives rise to. This is said to be what happened with Atlantis. Magic is also the only immaterial thing of which the debris still survive from civilisations which have entirely ceased to function-witness the cases of Egypt, of Chaldea, even of Druidism; and no doubt the ‘fetishism’ of the negro peoples has a similar origin. Sorcery could be said to be made of the vestiges of dead civilisations. Is this why the serpent, in the most recent times, has hardly kept anything but its malefic character.
Crowley also in his works, or at least in the Book of the Law, refers to the “Obeah”, I quote wiki:
that is a folk religion and folk magic found among those of African descent in the West Indies. It is derived from West African Igbo sources and has a close North American parallel in African American conjure or hoodoo.
In his commentaries and elsewhere Crowley writes:
The obeah is the magick of the Secret Light and Crowley associates it elsewhere especially with the Serpent.
We can also read in [2. Mythology, Vol. I, p. 48, 475, and 478.]:
"The term Obeah, Obiah, or Obia (for it is variously written), we conceive to be the adjective, and the Obe or Obi the noun substantive; and that by the words Obiah-men and women, are meant those who practice Obi. The origin of the term we should consider of no importance in our answer to the questions proposed, if, in search of it, we were not led to disquisitions that are highly gratifying to curiosity. From the learned Mr. Bryant's ' Commentary on the word Oph, we obtain a very probable etymology of the term: 'A serpent, in the Egyptian language, was called Ob or Aub.'--'Obion is still the Egyptian name for a serpent.''
Of course, Guénon using such terms above as “negro fetishism” may sound a bit pompous and even racist at first consideration, but the point he is making, that such traditions are to be considered of vestiges of some higher religious systems that degraded over time when the “true knowledge” of the "true rites" was lost and why the Serpent (and the Dragon) became negatively viewed approaching more modern times. This is the view of the Perennialist school writers like Guénon, but nobody has to agree with such considerations.
It is hard to differentiate fact from fiction and reality from the myth, but this concept of “Atlantean mages or sorcerers” who brought the ruin of their whole “continent” still persists in various occultism ranging from Blavatsky to Crowley and various other “occult authors”.
Especial interest for the “circle squared in its failure” is Crowley’s Liber 51, that also shares the Hebrew number for the word “failure” or NA / נא. For it also deals with such Pole Star and sinking of the whole continent.
Liber LI or Liber 51, “The Lost Continent” is described by Crowley:
“"In particular there is a sort of novel, "The Lost Continent", purporting to give an account of the civilization of Atlantis. I sometimes feel that this lacks artistic unity. At times it is a fantastic rhapsody describing my ideals of Utopian society; but some passages are a satire on the conditions of our existing civilization, while others convey hints of certain profound magical secrets, or anticipations of discoveries in science."
--- Crowley, writing of the Summer of 1913 e.v. from Confessions, p. 730.”
One of the main feature of this quite interesting and unusual novel is also the Pole that was driven through the Earth. And especially keeping in mind the considerations of Crowley identifying his then Scarlet Woman, Laylah (and perhaps his other Scarlet Women) as the “Pole Star”:
It may be that in some form or other the Zro had been made stable, and used to impregnate the column which is alleged to have been driven "through the Earth"; perhaps, and less improbably, only to the depth of a few hundred miles. This column, however long it may have been, had certainly its top immediately beneath the reservoir of the High House
Of course, the ensuing Catastrophe, that sunk the whole Lost Continent, is also described in the book:
To me it appears probable that in some one mind the whole "catastrophe" was brooding, that the column was part of the device, and that the event which I shall now describe was the other part.
This event was the birth of a child in the High House, a child without the distinguishing mark of the daughters of Atlas. That any child at all should have been born there is so incredible that I am inclined to suspect an improper use of the word "born."
I think rather that a Magician brought Zro to its eleventh stage, when it takes human form, and lives!
The alternative theory is that of the "Angel of Venus" described in the chapter on the Underground Gardens of Atlas. The supporters of this theory hold that the child was not born of a Priestess, but of the Living Atla.
One does not have to be an initiate of the Eleventh degree of the O.T.O. to notice the obvious implications made in the above passage where Crowley hints that “a Magician brought Zro to its Eleventh stage, when it takes human form, and lives!”. Juvenile mind is perhaps enough.
The next obvious hint, of course, is the Angel of Venus, which I believe in Crowley’s Sepher Sephiroth in Hebrew is found under the entry 82:
This is at least one way of considering the “It shall be his child & that strangely.”
Adding the Key of “AL” to such Failure of “NA”, in terms of Crowley’s sexual magical operations and what he has written or (hinted?) about the Eleventh Degree in general should be enough.
Of course, a living child, produced from such sexual operation of such nature, with the above indications, would be extremely strange, but I believe even Paracelsus claimed to have produced homunculus burying them in animal dung and various other strange ways. Still waiting for in vitro evidence!
My background is on the more hard/rigorous side of qualitative work in anthro/soc/econ/epi (taught all four, and law also), and i spent most of my work-life dealing with quants (who could never figure out why us qual folks had such insight into their data, despite all their methods-fetishism).
i have almost never met/worked with a practicing research scientist who had anything more than a very minimal understanding of/interest in "philosophy of science" stuff, including the super-scary-smart ones (both of them).
I always liked that stuff, but most are content to cook from recipes if the food tastes ok.
But i hope we can both agree that AC's (admittedly outdated- pre-St. Popper, for lord's sakes!) late 19th c.-early 20th c. empiricism beats the holy shit out of the mush that passes for reasoning among most occultists then and now, and certainly among most of the posters here (with the possible exception of Howard The Duck's HGA).
It is hard to differentiate fact from fiction and reality from the myth, but this concept of “Atlantean mages or sorcerers” who brought the ruin of their whole “continent” still persists in various occultism ranging from Blavatsky to Crowley and various other “occult authors”.
My favorite modern occult takes on Atlantis are from Czech Hermetics, which is more popular a movement than you might suspect and which considers one of its progenitors, Franz Bardon, to have been the reincarnation of a king of Atlantis. They have an entire narrative about the 'magical war' between the white and black lodges which, in their mythos, destroyed the civilization. Unfortunately, they don't talk much about the Hyborian Age afterward.
But i hope we can both agree that AC's (admittedly outdated- pre-St. Popper, for lord's sakes!) late 19th c.-early 20th c. empiricism beats the holy shit out of the mush that passes for reasoning among most occultists then and now, and certainly among most of the posters here (with the possible exception of Howard The Duck's HGA).
I think the greater problem is rooted in occultists trying to force themselves to certain ends over aesthetic considerations, instead of expressing themselves freely and with a genuine affinity toward the great work.
If so, then what is the Key of it all, and how is it that Abrahadabra is his child & that strangely? Who is the child?
Could it be referencing Achad as magical child of Crowley who discovered 31 = Set as a key? Maybe there's an equation to SET we can apply elsewhere?
Posted by: @set-tetu-re
The failure of the circle is monotheism maybe!
A circle with a cross in it ( a squared circle) was code in Crowley's diaries for a sexual opus or working. This has been previously mentioned here on Lashtal.com, at least by Faustian and I believe it is rather common knowledge.
This squared circle, for example, is also prominently featured on the chest of Crowley’s Scarlet Woman (or women?). I think this picture is familiar to most of Lashtalians:
One of the main feature of this quite interesting and unusual novel is also the Pole that was driven through the Earth. And especially keeping in mind the considerations of Crowley identifying his then Scarlet Woman, Laylah (and perhaps his other Scarlet Women) as the “Pole Star”:
It may be that in some form or other the Zro had been made stable, and used to impregnate the column which is alleged to have been driven "through the Earth"; perhaps, and less improbably, only to the depth of a few hundred miles. This column, however long it may have been, had certainly its top immediately beneath the reservoir of the High House
Still continuing a bit of the “circle squared in its failure”:
The word ZRO, in the context of the novel, most likely refers to the Hebrew word זרעTo sow, propagate; seed, semen.
Also other obvious references are found in Book of Lies, for example, where Crowley says things such as:
"Cast the Seed into the Field of Night."
Considering the Arabic word for night is Laylah and according to Crowley, ultimate “feminine symbol”, and also obviously identifying Laylah with Leila Waddell and the Pole Star in the context of Book of Lies, who in the picture also shows the square circled on her chest.
The Hebrew ZRO זרע itself most likely shares a common ancient background with the circle squared and early orientalists, like Professor Max Müller for example, have speculated it having its etymological source in the Chaldean concept of ‘SAR’ and in the concept known as Sarus:
In his work “The Nineteenth Century”, 1885 on the subject of “Solar Myths”, Müller states:
“the root word is SAR, “the ripening corn” "
Early religious historian Godfrey Higgins offers this information about Sarus in his work Anacalypsis: An Attempt to Draw Aside the Veil of the Saitic Isis or an Inquiry into the Origin of Languages, Nations and Religions, that was published after his death in 1836:
“General Vallancey says, ‘The Sarus, according to Berosus, consisted of 6660 days.
Syncellus and Abydenus tell us that it was a period of 3600 years ; but Suidas, an author contemporary with Syncellus, says the Sarus was a period of lunar months amounting to 18 years and a half, or 222 moons. Pliny mentions a period of 223 lunar months, which Dr. Halley thinks is a false reading, and proposes the amendment by reading 18 years and 6 intercalary months, which agress with Suidas; but it is not the simple Sarus, but the tenfold Sarus, that makes this number, as will appear from the numerical or celestical alphabet.
General Vallancey gives the following proof:
It is not necessary to adopt the whole statement, and I must observe that what General Vallancey calls a lunar month, is not a lunar month, but a zodiacal or 30-day month. His proof, then, is sufficiently clear: for 18 ½ zodiacal, or 360-day, years are 6660 days, and this number 6660, is exactly 10 times the nola numerica of the word “Sarus” in its original Chaldee.
How does this exactly relate to “Circle Squared” and the Hebrew Chaldean/SAR/ Hebrew/ ZRO/Seed/? Of course, such divisions of time itself may have their origin in the agricultural practices of ancients for obvious reasons.
It will be noticed that the approximation number 13,320, which, in days, constitutes the great harmonising cycle of the zodiacal, or 360-days years, with the Diluvian, or 370-day year, before alluded to, is exactly half of the number 26,640. Which, expressed in lunar years, constitutes the Precessional Cycle and the number of the Hemisphere.
I believe all of these years are ancient approximations, lacking the precise calculation methods and tools we have now.
Some Christian eschatologist authors have seen 6660 or Sarus having solar characteristics following this kind of logic and have argued that it was used as a method of division of "squaring the circle":
Some Thelemites may also argue, that the “Pagan wafer”, lives on in the form of Cakes of Light in the context of Thelema and “casting the seed into the field of Night”, perhaps owing more to the Chaldean and Hebrew concept of Sarus, Sar and ZRO, rather than the Catholic wafer of the more modern times.
I thought for completeness, I'd post some of the variations here. Some of these numbers could be interesting. Firstly the figures from Nuit's "I call it..." side of the equation:
Addition:
8 + 80 + 418 = 506
8 * 80 * 418 = 267520
or if we read "four hundred and eighteen" as 2 separate numbers:
8 * 80 * 400 * 18 = 4608000
Subtraction (why not):
418 - 80 - 8 = 330
Division:
418 / 80 /8 = 0.653125
Concatenation:
880418
88040018
We could combine different operations, but I think things start to get a bit silly.
Now we can get "X" for each one:
506 / 61 = 8.29508196721311 (or 8 with a remainder of 18)
267520 / 61 = 4385.5737704918 (or 4385 with a remainder of 35)
4608000 / 61 = 75540.9836065574 (or 75540 with a remainder of 60)
330 / 61 = 5.40983606557377 (or 5 with a remainder of 25)
0.653125 / 61 = 0.010706967213115
880418 / 61 = 14433.0819672131 (or 14433 with a remainder of 5)
88040018 / 61 = 1443278.98360656 (or 1443278 with a remainder of 60)
(I find the "with a remainder of" variation more intuitive)
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra
I'm not great with math
Me neither. To be honest, I don't think I really knew what numbers even were until I started thinking of them in this "visual" way. You can arrange them into shapes just like you could arrange a bunch of oranges into different shapes, and this makes it "intuitive" for me. 🙂
The two clauses grouped together are trying to express and equivalency of sorts - where 61 refers to the same thing as 8, 80, and 418. This could be a mathematical series of sorts - hard to tell - or it could be a single large number.
I had the idea that the "8, 80, 418" could be a number in some different "base". Each number mentioned would represent a different symbol in that base, 8 would be the 8th symbol representing 8 x the second power of that number, 80 the 80th (8 x 1st power), and 418 the 418th (418 x 0 power, or 1). It would have to be one higher than 418, so for example with base 419, this would be 1438426. This would then imply that the "sixty-one" is not a base 10 number either and is in fact a number in a base where 6 first powers of that number plus 1 equal the number on the other side (I tried it with base 419 and didn't get a whole number, so it would be an even higher base). A fairly bizarre idea and there may not be anything to it but it shows the kind of things that are possible. 😉
I don't know how significant it is. I try to keep this kind of "cheating" to a minimum in my "research" (note I said "minimum" not "zero" 😜 ).
Posted by: @behemoth
This squared circle, for example, is also prominently featured on the chest of Crowley’s Scarlet Woman (or women?). I think this picture is familiar to most of Lashtalians:
Here's another quirky find, this time related to your post:
The bottom half of the line matches the angle of her thumb! 🙂
I am interested in finding a version of this photo in the best possible image quality. Every version I find on the internet seems to make her look a little different than the next. I think this photo could actually be quite important: it can be seen as an icon of Babalon, with Leila here in her role as a Thelemic "Bodhisattva". Notice how the "circle squared" is over her heart chakra, offering herself to all. At the moment that pic was taken, Babalon was "manifested" in the photograph, and we are lucky to have this icon as a meditative aid.
(with the possible exception of Howard The Duck's HGA)
You are too generous, sir 😊 . I try to keep the "new-age nonsense" to a minimum, but admit I may get a bit carried away now and again. If I do, I hope to get called out on it and get some constructive criticism to improve my understanding, and to improve my ability to communicate what I do understand.
(And thanks for reminding me about Howard the Duck, its been a long time since I watched it and it may be worth giving it a re-watch now I've taken on this "ducky" internet persona, it may be relevant somehow.)
This thread was born from my attempt to control the chaos in another, and as a result it took on a life of its own and for a short time it became a glorious mess. There's a lot of useful information here and I still haven't read it all. Now I think it might be done and its time for some new threads to pop up. If any one has any ideas for "useful image files" related to Liber AL please let me know here and I'll see what I can do.
This would then imply that the "sixty-one" is not a base 10 number either and is in fact a number in a base where 6 first powers of that number plus 1 equal the number on the other side
On further reflection, this turns out to be impossible: the "61" side will always be an odd number and the "8, 80, 418" side will always be even. There may still be something to looking at 1 side in this way, I tried it in base 718 and this gives the base 10 number "4182050" (its not much but its little coincidence that it starts with "418"). In case anyone is interested, this is the formula:
That's a surgical mask. You know the rules. I went to the legal dispensary yesterday. The guy behind the counter looked like Pancho Villa, and he was wearing a bandana mask. If they are loose, one can breathe easier, and it does prevent the direct injection of moisture particles in a horizontal manner. So bad anna is acceptable. Congratulations, you have passed another pylon.
Please note that inverting the image reduced the number of Vs, and the humor is now descending rapidly. Soon we will all be attacking each other in the bottom of the V pit (Viper). So I'll leave now while I'm still intact.
I will write you a script for psilocybin mushrooms. That's all you need. You can cash it at any native (herbal) pharmacia south of the border. Stop by for a visit on your way down. I will give you 30 pices of silver to betray Aleister Crowley to the Roman Church. Fair enough?
