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The NY Times article displayed a blockout page that says ...

You’ve reached your limit of free articles

They/it then demanded money to read the article.

If possible, could you post their/its summary paragraph or two ?


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I don't have a subscription but here is what i got from the link.

" the Department of Defense formally released three Navy videos that contain “unidentified aerial phenomena.”

The Department of Defense confirmed what seekers of extraterrestrial life have long hoped to be true: They’re real.

breathed new life into the decades-long conversation about whether interstellar visitors had ever come to Earth.

experts caution that earthly explanations usually exist for such sightings — and that when people don’t know why something happened, it does not mean it happened because of aliens.

Navy pilots spoke about objects that seemed to defy the laws of physics. Details emerged about a mysterious, five-year Pentagon program and claims of metal alloys said to have been recovered from unidentified phenomena. The former Senate majority leader Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, spoke about his long push for more research on unidentified flying objects.

the officially released videos are only a glimpse of what the public might learn about U.F.O.s and other mysteries

“The U.S. needs to take a serious, scientific look at this and any potential national security implications. The American people deserve to be informed.”

“In these uncertain times, it is more important than ever that governments speak the truth to their citizens, as it is the most important pillar of a democracy,”

Astrophysicists say there are many potential explanations for what appears in the Navy videos, including atmospheric effects, reflections, and bugs in the code of imaging and display systems of fighter jets. "


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experts caution that earthly explanations usually exist for such sightings — and that when people don’t know why something happened, it does not mean it happened because of aliens.

Yes, there is always this viewpoint. Current exposer authors (Swerdlow, Moon) say that the majority (or all?) of the current UFO sightings are not of alien craft. They are "Made on Earth" things. They trace the current UFO wave to Deutschland, where the Nazis developed the "primitive" Bell-shaped ships.

Bell1

Then they got more streamlined ...

Bell2

Today they have a variety of shapes. Many people believe these are alien craft. Other say it's our own military.

Say, I though this UFO release came a while back. Like 3 or 4 months ago ... or more. Do you have a date for the press release?

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mysterious, five-year Pentagon program and claims of metal alloys said to have been recovered from unidentified phenomena.

Roswell 1947 being the most widely known. We have a core claim that an alien UFO crashed (or was shot down) and we gathered tech from the crash (the transistor, the fiber-optic concept, etc). This lies behind the Pentagon's claim of alloys.

The other side says Roswell was a faked event, used to cover up the fact that we (USA) were using Nazi Scientists to further refine the "Bell" into something more streamlined.

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“In these uncertain times, it is more important than ever that governments speak the truth to their citizens, as it is the most important pillar of a democracy,”

Right.

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Astrophysicists say there are many potential explanations for what appears in the Navy videos, including atmospheric effects, reflections, and bugs in the code of imaging and display systems of fighter jets. "

Okay. I will be watching for falling or fallen wrecks. When one lands near my domicile, I will get back to you with pictures of the parts and any inhabitants.

 

 


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experts caution that earthly explanations usually exist for such sightings — and that when people don’t know why something happened, it does not mean it happened because of aliens.

Yes, there is always this viewpoint. Current exposer authors (Swerdlow, Moon) say that the majority (or all?) of the current UFO sightings are not of alien craft. They are "Made on Earth" things. They trace the current UFO wave to Deutschland, where the Nazis developed the "primitive" Bell-shaped ships.

@tiger

True, but it doesn't mean they weren't aliens either. For me the juries out until they come to my door offering an anal probe.

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Have you heard of Victor Schauberger ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Schauberger)?

From what I recall he was working on free energy solutions based on his observations of logging flumes as a forester in Austria, allegedly got coopted by the Nazis and later by the CIA, and the source of some of the more unusual experiments in non-conventional flight such as the bell-shaped ships you mention.


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no never heard of Viktor Schauberger until you mentioned. thanks.
i will go with the man made, psyop, and terrestrial generation option until i see more but i don’t rule out the other worldly possibilities.
yes the jury is still out but more information is being displayed to the public.

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the NYT article says
By Alan Yuhas
Published April 28, 2020Updated July 24, 2020

“ After decades of public denial The Pentagon now admits there is something out there and the US Senate wants to know what it is and asked for a report delivered by next month. “ — The detraction department will be putting in some hours.
objects that can do 6 to 700 g forces, fly at 13000 miles an hour, evade radar, go through air, water, no obvious signs of propulsion, no wings, no control surfaces, and defy gravity; ,,stops on a dime turns around aware of the pilots and gets in front of them and then disappears .. witnessed by four.. something out there better than their plane. “
youtube 60minutes May 26 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY


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oops that was @pertinax
no never heard of Viktor Schauberger until you mentioned. thanks.
i will go with the man made, psyop, and terrestrial generation option until i see more but i don’t rule out the other worldly possibilities.
yes the jury is still out but more information is being displayed to the public.


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Have you heard of Victor Schauberger ... ?

No. But anybody who gets ideas about "free energy" gets visited by the gov or the corporations.

Tesla had the idea and the machines to do it (free energy). He presented his concepts to J.P. Morgan (his patron). Morgan nixed the project. "You can't make any money off of free energy." After that, Tesla was "out" of the Game.

This entire thread seems off-sit (off-Crowley), so lets bring it into line ...

AC maintained that there were/are praeterhuman intelligences/beings who know more than us, and our only chance at survival was/is to make contact with them.

But UFO contactees tell us these Aliens are numerous, some good, some bad ... mostly bad. "Good" means benevolent, or protective of humanity. "Bad" means they have an agenda that includes killing or subjugating us (humans).

There is no way I can comment from experience upon this (alien) subject as I have never (consciously) met one, or seen one, or even encountered one in the astral realm. And we don't seem to have many (any?) other posters who can speak from experience (contact). I am speaking of 3D-world contact. The 4D-astral experiences don't count - unless they have a 3D component (Physical, Malkuthian Manifestation).

The Cairo Working was an example of 4D at work. It is particularly troubling (to me) that AC identified Aiwass as a Sumerian Demon/God, because one version today's New-Age-Aquarian paradigm identifies the Sumerian Demon/Gods as the "bad" aliens, and the Sumerian Black Magicians who worked with these folks (aliens) were/are the source of discord today.

Without direct experience, all this is conjecture ... for me, or anyone.

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i will go with the man made, psyop, and terrestrial generation option until i see more but i don’t rule out the other worldly possibilities.

This is basically my position. Your term, "worldly possibilities," seems to refer to our 3D world. The "experts" tell us that this paradigm cannot be solved/understood unless one admits the 3D/4D interaction. 4D is used as a reference to the Astral plane (specifically), and not the usual concept where the 4th dimension is TIME.

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objects that can do 6 to 700 g forces, fly at 13000 miles an hour, evade radar, go through air, water, no obvious signs of propulsion, no wings, no control surfaces, and defy gravity

Yes, this describes the buggers, just like they've been described for decades. I think they are made in New Mexico and test-flown in the badlands of Nevada; the number 51 has been mentioned.

 


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Posted by: @shiva @Tiger

Current exposer authors (Swerdlow, Moon) say that the majority (or all?) of the current UFO sightings are not of alien craft. They are "Made on Earth" things.

Yep, I have it from a (someone else's internal) Navy source those 'tic tac' UFO's are definitely US Navy/AF.  

It is common for a more advanced 'branch' to test out their goodies on the 'normies' in the less advanced branches.

I think that happened at Rendelsham Forest as well.  The spooks love to pretend to be things they are not, like aliens.    

 

Apropos timing on this topic as I am stopping by here this weekend on my way to Durango.

I saw 'stars fighting' and other strange fast moving lights here and near here

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years ago:

http://www.ufowatchtower.com/

 

https://www.nps.gov/grsa/index.htm

 

 


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Posted by: @christibrany

I am stopping by here this weekend

"GPS's are giving wrong directions to the entrance.
Please enter off HWY 17"

Notice how the electronics get "adjusted" or "deviated" when these far-out concepts become events on the physical plane? 

 


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I am stopping by here this weekend

"GPS's are giving wrong directions to the entrance.
Please enter off HWY 17"

Notice how the electronics get "adjusted" or "deviated" when these far-out concepts become events on the physical plane? 

 

Wow actually. I hadn't even connected those dots on her site. I am getting dumber . 

 

Perhaps it's a temporary numbness before Amenta 

 


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Yep, I have it from a (someone else's internal) Navy source those 'tic tac' UFO's are definitely US Navy/AF.  

It is common for a more advanced 'branch' to test out their goodies on the 'normies' in the less advanced branches.

I think that happened at Rendelsham Forest as well.  The spooks love to pretend to be things they are not, like aliens.   

That seems to be the consensus. I grew up a few miles up the road from Rendlesham Forest, my family still live there. I recall about 15 years ago heading out one night with a friend, now deceased, to take a look. The area also has several ancient woodlands and those amazing silent stretches of beach that seem so prevalent on the Suffolk coast.

The area has several USAF airbases, mostly disused but still in place, and not far away are WW2 weapons testing locations. If you go there now and walk the UFO trail all you see is deer, dog walkers, and strange people in windbreakers with cameras and notebooks lurking around the fence line.

Having been inside, I can tell you from first hand experience that it's largely used for private rental storage, but I suspect that if there are any flying saucers they have long since been moved.


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Oh yes of course for sure.

 

I grew up in US Army due to my dad's vocation, in Germany and the Netherlands and the posts I loved and had great memories at are largely closed or severely downsized. But of course the 90s and 80s were a largely different environment. 


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It's relatively silent there now compared to back then, although I've not been back in a few years. I remember seeing the A-10's, and occasionally more exotic things like the B-29's through the 80's, F-15's and on one in the late 90's occasion a B-2, which was pretty eerie, like a puzzle piece cut out of the sky.

When I was really young I thought they were great, all these beautiful aircraft, I wanted to fly one. As I got a bit older and realised their import they became a lot more sinister in my mind. The US essentially treated the UK like an aircraft carrier all through that period, much like they do with Okinawa now. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn of secret flight tests occurring around here.


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secret flight tests

The so-called Secret Space Program is (according to various informants who tend to agree on this) is being run by USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand, and Russia [!], with Israel and Germany associated.  China has its own Secret Space Program.  So I guess it's us versus them.

The "Space Program" is the Space Race. It includes Rovers on Mars, Men on the Moon, Voyaging Drones that take pictures of the outer planets, Solar-watching satellites, Space-X, NASA, etc.

The Secret Space Program is behind closed doors for mere citizens and lower echelon militarists. It is said that one must grasp the concept that this sector is working with 3D/4D transitions with attempts to defend or control. We all know what 3D is - we live in it daily and bump into it at times (this is why doctors were invented). 4D is clearly identified as what we call the Astral plane.

I cannot verify this info, so it makes me guilty of committing hearsay, which is borderline heresy. So what?

If true, this paradigm describe government agencies who are doing what we are trained (or self-trained) to do. The instructions on Astral Projection in Liber O constitute our version of the process. Maybe we should consider Liber 418 as an example of how it's done.

Then we have the gov, doing the same thing, in secret, with an attempt to control the physical/astral interface - in order to control physical reality ... in accordance with their agenda (which is not enlightenment for all).

In Metaphysics 101, in 1963, my basic instruction included the concept (fact?) that dark (materialistic) forces controlled the physical plane; light (spiritual) forces could not combat the dark forces on the physical plane and win.

We all [?] know about the battles on the astral plane. We win there by establishing a magical circle, which is really a "frequency fence" that gets embedded in a spherical manner in our aura/energy-field; this is like the shields of a starship, or the electromagnetic shields of Dune). But we are told to not stop there. The circle is established in order to clear out and hold back this illusionary stuff so that we can get on with Rising on the Planes.

The gov is not interested in Rising. They are interested in controlling, and defending that control, on the physical plane through 3D/4D technology.

The UFO/Alien paradigm is said to be transcended (not "defeated")through a process called Ascension. We know this as Rising on the Planes.

 

 


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When I was a kid I thought UFOs were really exciting.

Nowadays, every human on the planet carries a 4K camera, but still there are no good photos of UFOs.

7 billion cameras and we are still waiting.

I think it's time to give up on the alien flying vehicles concept.


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Posted by: @alan_obrien

every human on the planet carries a 4K camera

I claim an exception exemption (E.'.E.'.). I carry no fone or cam.

I posted a good photo (video, no less) of such a thing 3 years ago ... here on LAShTAL, I think/thought it was. If you want your free copy, buzz me at notarajah at gmail.

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7 billion cameras and we are still waiting.

It seems like you have not searched all the ufo videos and static pics on the www. Some are rather amazing. We must keep in mind that most or all of the sightings are of our ships. Well, not yours and mine, just humans (who don't include mundane civilians in their email address book). We also must be alert to the fact that many (most?) ufo pic on the www are faked.

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I think it's time to give up on the alien flying vehicles concept.

This is what the alternative reporters are reporting. The phenomena are ours and they are secret from us/we/the public.


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I've had multiple encounters with non-human people, both in 3D & 4D, possibly somewhere in-between & beyond as well, ever since childhood. I've witnessed UFOs several times with other witnesses. Once, I was taken aboard what appeared to be a craft of some sort with another witness. That one left behind some physical, if diaphanous, evidence.

The 4D people can sometimes appear in 3D. Some of them are 3D and happen to be adept at astral projection or going out of body in both 3D & 4D. Physical barriers like distance, time & fuel are largely irrelevant. This makes so much more sense for exploring the farthest reaches of any numbered D, that it's almost certain some bod-D is doing it rite now.

In my exp, LAM most definitely plays a part in initiating & facilitating contact. Stir in some Typhonian currents with a heaping spoon of voudon gnosis & you've got one spicy meatball!

The "good," the "bad," & the "beyond" can usually be fairly accurately gleaned by working with your preferred gematrias on the character's name and place of origin in conjunction with some form of divination, like tarot. The "best" of the "good" & "beyond" appear to be elusive, though they can drop a few clues here & there from time to time. I've been supremely creeped out once, but can't say for sure if they were "bad." I know I've seen others that looked like them who were "bad," but I don't assume they all are because of that. I think I might be the "bad" one in that case. 


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I've had multiple encounters with non-human people, both in 3D & 4D, possibly somewhere in-between & beyond as well, ever since childhood.

The alternative literature describes several people who fit your description of yourself. It has to do with DNA. People who interface with beings from elsewhere and out there are highly prized by the Secret Space Program.

Although lights in the sky are often seen by groups (even masses) of people, the phenomenon reains "unidentified." But folks who actually contact, or get contacted by, alien life forms are usually the catalyst for such events.

That is, these beings do not suddenly appear in Central Park. They appear when a "sensitive" person is involved (a "medium"). Many sensitives seem to breeze through the encounter, like yourself who seems to have not lost your mind, while others are not so fortunate. I am personally aware, at this time, of two who require medical consultation and very strong Rx meds are prescribed ... they have the DNA to enter this realm, but having done no "work," they are severely compromised. One is my patient; the other is my wife's patient.

As to such things happening in 3D, I must insist on proof (a photo, better a video - everyone has a camera these days) in order to not classify such claims as "subjective." For reference, see the account of The Cairo Working.

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The "best" of the "good" & "beyond" appear to be elusive, though they can drop a few clues here & there from time to time.

Yes. Your entire post reads something like the testimonies of many other folks who get interviewed and put on video or in a book. Your short essay includes most (if not all) of the factors usually understood by sensitives (time, space, 3D/4D, etc).

I am not sensitive in the way that allows 3D contact. I have been active in 4D since age 18. Although I have reported my adventures in one of my books (I can't remember which one), I have always kept them in the 4D realm - that is, astral phenomena, and to me they are subjective.

When my subjectivity agrees with other peoples accounts, I pay attention. When they claim adventures in our 3D reality, I am interested. It is this 3D/4D interface that the gov is working with ... and so are we.

Crowley doesn't get much into this. He cites praeterhumans, warns us against taking astral phenomena for objective reality, and then gives us a pic of Lam (well, he gave it to Grant, but we all have copies). So, yes, the Lam pic is his link to this whole alien paradigm, including 3D and 4D UFOs.


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I was fairly certain I posted a relatively lengthy reply here, but I was on my phone, which seems to be powered by pure wonk these days. So of course, this will be an even more truncated response than the original. Probably for the best anyways.

Unfortunately, the majority of my major encounters took place before hi-def, digital, pocket, cellular phone cameras were widely available. The first I can consciously recall happened in the mid 80's one afternoon in the yard of our rural home with my mother. I was about 7 years old. She says she remembers seeing a little red light "dancing" across the sky. She pointed it out to me and commented on how beautiful she thought it looked. I do not recall this interaction. The red light eventually settled about 100 feet away from us, by the cherry tree further down the yard, by the drive-way entrance. It was a red glowing sphere with a small, black ring around the middle, a bit like Saturn. Guessing it's diameter was about 30 feet. When it departed, these sort of oily, scummy bubbles were falling out of the sky. I was resolved to gather some of this material for analysis, although the bubbles were oddly dry & disintegrated into a fine brown powder that seemed to evaporate instantly. This would be the time we were taken aboard.

The really odd thing is, for the longest time, I remembered all the above as a strange vision of Saturn coming close to the Earth, which is obviously much more ridiculous than a trans-dimensional portal opening up in our front yard. Years later, I was reading a book about alien abductions & a case mentioned bubbles falling from the sky afterwards. Having remembered those bubbles from the Saturn version of the memory triggered the "real" version of the story above. It was then that I asked my mother about the experience. She had forgotten most of it, except for what I mentioned above & us both trying to gather the bubble dust.

The second 3D encounter I recall happened in the early 90's during a sleep-over at a friends. I woke up in the middle of the night with a mighty thirst. I didn't make it to the kitchen on account of the three greys darting about at super-human speed. If I did happen to have a pocket camera on me at the time, the picture would've looked fake because they looked fake. "Fake" as in they all looked identical, were nude, lacked genitalia/distinctive bodily front or back & seemed to have no bones with skin that resembled plastic. No thumbs, just three tentacles essentially, on the tips of their weird bendy arms. I immediately thought they looked like they were stamped out of the same mold on a conveyor belt. In fact, I would be re-creeped out a couple years later when I rented Communion with Christopher Walken, because those fake aliens in that movie look pretty close to the ones I saw. This would be the time I was supremely creeped out.

The third 3D encounter occurred late summer of 2019, iirc. It just so happened to be at the peak of a series of group rituals. My girl-friend woke me up in the middle of the night. She doesn't recall any of this though. It was dark & I didn't have my corrective lenses, nor my digital camera phone near my eyes, but I could make out a vague humanoid shape. As my eyes adjusted to the dark, I could make out most of a blue-skinned guy standing near the bed. Aside from the large, shiny, round, black eyes, I was drawn to his feline-esque nose & mouth. This all took place in the span of roughly 5-6 seconds, at which point it felt as if I had been drugged by something designed to render one unconscious as fast as possible. I fought it with every bit of will I could muster to no avail. I woke the next day feeling refreshed & energized. Seems this particular non-human leans "good."

Honestly, I haven't been that interested in proving anything to any body for a long while. No thing personal, of course. I'm just way more interested in exploring my relationship with them, the Uni-verses & whathaveyou, than trying to prove the veracity of my admittedly ridiculous claims. I have a hard time believing much of it my self, so I don't blame any one for not believing some random internet stranger. In my experience, I've found that certain paths & practices lead to stellar forces & beyond, that seem to be inhabited by intelligent beings. It seems that Crowley may have been on a similar path, from what I've gathered. He's certainly helped me along my way.


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I'm just way more interested in exploring my relationship with them

Yes, you appear to have the DNA, or whatever, sensitivity/configuration to interface without trauma or surgical implantation. I am particularly interested in the 3D/4D interface ... what practice (or technology), and what sensitivity, can lead to further understanding?

My father ended up as the supervisor of a secret test facility that was part of the infamous military-industrial complex (it was only Ramjet testing, not time travel or alien parties). Long after the event, he confessed to seeing a ufo. It was in a rural place, and it was one of those deals where his car engine went dead - for a while, until it departed.

My wife's father is an engineer who worked on the first H-bomb. My wife is named after one of their code words. Long after the event,k he confessed to seeing a ufo.

I am lacking in details in both these cases, but they both had the same comment: "I kept my mouth shut. Who would believe me?"

I have seenh these "identical" gumby people in the 4D realm. But not in our 3D. It is said they're identical because they're clones. Don't worry about the missing camera or the absence of photos. Nobody ever seems to have a camera ready. But everybody who tells these stories has something in common with the other stories. Thanks for your detailed input.

 


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@shiva

I appreciate your replies. I participated in an "experiencer" group discussion once a few years ago & ever since I have been extremely grateful for the circle of open-minded family & friends I have about me. (Of course, it's a bit hard to deny when an entire household has all had some kind of high strangeness occur.) People broke down in tears talking about their experiences. One was leaking tears of relief & joy just for being able to talk about it without fear of judgement & ridicule. He worked IT in a small town & was worried about losing his job, among other things. 

One lady was sobbing over her string of lost & broken relationships. They would leave her because they either thought she was crazy for talking about these things, or would meet the aliens themselves & high-tail it outta there asap. She was dealing with perfectly human-looking tall blondes. She said she was so upset about the entire situation that on one night when she knew they'd be there, she went to bed with a knife taped to her hand so she could kill the offending alien. She couldn't do it & the blonde told her that she was one of them & that she agreed to "all of this." This seemed to be the most upsetting news ever & I doubt I'll forget the way her body was hitching with e-motions upon that revelation. 

One very interesting person there was an Iraq war veteran who claimed to hear voices while pulling night time guard duty in the middle of the desert. This eventually lead to beings appearing to him in bursts of light, fully present in 3D. These beings would give him some tonal system for communicating with them. I don't recall the details of how that worked though. He seemed reticent to dig deeper into the fact that his initial contact occurred on the ruins of Babylon during war time under the night sky.

DNA/karmic expression/whatever. My military (USAF) father was mostly Irish & my grandmother on my mother's side was chosen by spirits to be a shaman. It's almost cringe how on the nose some of it is.


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He seemed reticent to dig deeper into the fact that his initial contact occurred on the ruins of Babylon ...

The latest I've heard is that the never-ending military turmoil in the so-called "Middle East" is related to possession of a StarGate in that area. First, "they" said it was in Syria, but now it comes out that the War in Syria is part of a struggle over the Gate, which is in Iraq.

These "Gates" are not some machine, like in the Movie StarGate, but are simply a geographical location where Ley Lines are said to intersect. Men may move into that area with machines to enhance the 3D/4D (physical/astral) interface. I do not know much about the Ley Lines, but I plan to go looking in the 3D www for some decent maps that are accurate and detailed enough to find the nearest intersection. I mean, something like this is not a lot of help ...

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@shiva

I've run across similar info a few times. The general idea of ley line-powered Star Gates seems pretty accurate in my experience. Massive build-up of intention with a group of others on auspicious dates seems like it could yield similar results. I suspect a solo effort could prove successful under the rite circumstances.


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... seems pretty accurate in my experience.

There is so much contradictory material in the belief system of aliens, paeters, grays, saucers, and 

All of this alien/ufo/sci-fi stuff is based in another dimension. The Alien/UFO paradigm, which is becoming more popular today, calls it 4D. People who speak the arcane lingo say it's the Astral plane. Crowley pretty much allows the astral plane to run from Yesod up to Chesed, and I'll agree with that (even though my secret but well-published opinion limits "Astral" to Yesod, period.

So there's this alternate timeline, or parallel timeline running "alongside" our 3D reality. Some say there are multiple or infinite possibilities, but right now I'm keeping it simple (for me) with just two: 3D normal / 4D astral.

Proponents of the Alien/UFO paradigm say that the secret societies have known about, and taught, this stuff for centuries. Well, yes and no. Yes, anybody hanging around here undoubtedly has some experience if they've done one Liber practice. Crowley told all the secrets, but one, and now the Alien/UFO Paradigmers are telling that one, too.

No, the secret societies didn't hide and reveal high-tech approaches to accomplish the goal of the Libers through modern wizardry ... upon suitably "sensitive" people, without any training.

So many of the "participants" (contactees, etc) get into these states of mixed 3D/4D and they have no control over their circumstances or their reactions. They seem to split off so strongly that they must see a doc ... who prescribes Prozac(TM) or something similar.

Anybody who plays the Game in two dimensions is essentially playing with schizophrenia, but that's no problem because at a certain point that's how the spiritual path seems.

 


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Along with power spots, alignments and frequency calibration if one can learn to stop staring at the the propaganda placard, turn the channel; a chance for something other may arise. The 4d astral may become more real than the ordinary configuration of 3D enough to impinge itself on the basis of the cobble up.


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Posted by: @tiger

The 4d astral may become more real than the ordinary configuration

Yes, I was going to mention that aspect. You see, I claim to be "not sensitive," in relation to the bogey-men, the benevolent alieni, and their 3D ships. What a dullard.

However, with the use of legal magic drops and blotters or caps has shifted me to a place where the 4D comes into play. I can cite (and have done so) many examples of temple walls (painted Sheetrock), patio fences (wood), people's faces (only a select few), metal buildings (vibrating), and an assortment of other objects, where these 3D objects shifted into something else, which was astral or 4D.

Aha!  You see? This is the source of my present endeavors, casually-approached, wherein I become interested in the 3D/4D interface. Most of the known "abducted" witnesses, raving maniacs or otherwise schizoid-burdened in the eyes of normality, have reported seeing people (or things) shift into someone/something else.

Yet I have never seen such things, not even a UFO, in the 3D theater (Now always showing for everyone in the daily life of Malkuth, "The Kingdom"). But with libation I have seen these things. My reasoning is that if I can do it (with chemical catalyticalism, then (of course) it can be done by "sensitive" folks without medicine.

Yes, this process involves picking up the label, "schizophrenia," doesn't it? The first report on LSD I ever heard (verbally) was, "It makes you schizophrenic."

So some people, who have not done the work, either get stimulated into, or passively overwhelmed by, an experience of aliens or Star Wars scenarios. The doctor will give them legal Rx medicine to straighten them out ... or destroy their inner connection.

But people who have done the work also may have these same experiences. They have conformed to Therion's instructions on astral control, and they do not make the mistake of confusing these things (which may or may not be "real") with objective reality.

But the claims are that this 4D stuff "intrudes" or "diffuses into" the 3D world. The most-common, and most-decried, phenomenon involves a human person shifting (usually momentarily) into a reptilian configuration.

"This is Bovine Excrement!" cries the Thelemite. Right. Crowley gave us Lam with very little commentary, but he did not give us dragons, nor did he dwell upon (or even cite) the serpent Kings known in the East as the Naga. And you can take that to the Bank.

But at the Bank, the teller reminds you that you have forgotten (or never read) the fine print in Liber 418, the 5th AEthyr ...

"And now all is suddenly blotted out, and instead appears the Angel of the Aethyr. He is all in black, burnished black scales, just edged with gold. He has vast wings, with terrible claws on the ends, and he has a fierce face, like a dragon's, and dreadful eyes that pierce one through an through."

I recommend at least a perusal of the entire 5th AEthyr
https://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/418/aetyr5.htm

 


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At the 'spot' there in the desert my radio started to make weird feed back noises. and hadn't all trip elsewhere.  It was daytime so I didn't see any 'friends' but they like to hide at night . Usually around 3am. 


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Yet I have never seen such things, not even a UFO, in the 3D theater (Now always showing for everyone in the daily life of Malkuth, "The Kingdom"). But with libation I have seen these things. My reasoning is that if I can do it (with chemical catalyticalism, then (of course) it can be done by "sensitive" folks without medicine.

I have seen UFOs and even a 'grey' after intense meditation yet in waking, walking no-less, consciousness. does that mean i am schizo.... :s 


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does that mean i am schizo.... ?

Oh, yes. "Schizophrenia" means split mind. ("A Dweller on Two Plants"). Everything we do in the astral plane and in the non-terrestrial circuits (especially the abstract mind) is done in another world. Try discussing your practices and results with a Psychiatrist of The Kingdom, and you will get branded "schizophrenic." Alas. Here, take this medicine.

Frater Ra (who eventually turned traitor) used this technique to get out of the Navy. He told them he was "Aiwass," which they wrote down as "I was." He described astral visions and parts of the philosophy of Thelema to them (I read the repor and I visited him when he was in psycho evaluation at Camp Pendelton, CAt). He was discharged as unfit.

Then we all had a laugh. You see, we who do the work, as we know it, do not fall under suspicion from our neighbors because we banish, practice dharana, learn to breathe properly, and are prepared for the astral stuff. The poor subject who falls into 4D without training, without preparing, is overwhelmed by the imagery and the emotional surge (usually fear).

Yeah. You're nuts. Me too. But there is that difference, which I have cited above.

 


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"I was" as in, "I am now no longer, upon realizing that the "I" was but one half of the self what had been 'divided for love's sake'?"

I can't imagine any reasonable reason to summon an "alien" in 3D at this point. I doubt it would happen in any verifiable manner anyways. One of the lessons associated with the phenomena for me seems to be transcending the rational self. I'm only 77% sure I consciously summoned the one the one time, although it all seems to add up in retrospect. The other times seemed to be unexpected drop ins. As a fan of Vallee & Keel, I tend to think 'It' defies our expectations and desires. This seems to be, in fact, its very function - a living, hyper-dimensional, zen koan. One can only "know" for certain by engaging, which immediately invalidates the scientific validation of "objectivity." Give up all ideas. No thing new.

I use the Tree of Life for a lot of my mapping & modeling, but I'm keen to remind my-selves that it's just a very handy map & not an accurate experience of the granular terrain. There appear to be multitudes of worlds/realities/experiences one can tune into. It seems that multiple selves can be experienced simultaneously. I can't say what it could possibly correspond with. This paragraph is relevant because one could theoretically talk to "aliens" from a parallel universe running on an alternate timeline. What would their "Tree of Life" look like?


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I doubt it would happen in any verifiable manner anyways.

This is a key point I am looking at. It seems like any encounter in our 3D world is cloaked or fuzzied by something. That something might be paralysis, fuzziness (like drunk or stoned), lightness (less or no gravity), being "in-between" sleep and wakefulness, and so forth.

Holy cow and her calves! We already have info that says people who trip into the 8th circuit see UFOs and Aliens and Angels. The 8th circuit is both supra-rational and outside of our usual space-time registration.

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One of the lessons associated with the phenomena for me seems to be transcending the rational self.

Oh, you already know about that part. I could have saved my prana.

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I use the Tree of Life for a lot of my mapping & modeling, but I'm keen to remind my-selves that it's just a very handy map & not an accurate experience of the granular terrain.

True. It behooves one to adjust their view of the Tree, especially in the matters now and here under consideration. The Tree gows UP, like a Tree. However, these subtle spheres are seen in a person's aura as concentric circles. The chakras are aligned up and down, and the kundalini rises, but the effects radiate out like a light bulb. The higher the frequency, the farther out the light goes ... but it also becomes harder to see.

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What would their "Tree of Life" look like?

I dunno. Maybe one of us could ask them.

 


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“ It seems like any encounter in our 3D world is cloaked or fuzzied by something. That something might be paralysis, fuzziness (like drunk or stoned), lightness (less or no gravity), being "in-between" sleep and wakefulness, and so forth. “

“ Thou canst not believe how marvelous is this vision of the Arrow. And it could never be shut out, except the Lords of Vision troubled the waters of the pool, the mind of the Seer. But they send forth a wind that is a cloud of Angels, and they beat the water with their feet, and little waves splash up--- they are memories. For the seer hath no head; it is expanded into the universe, a vast and silent sea, crowned with the stars of night

Yet in the very midst thereof is the arrow. Little images of things that were, are the foam upon the waves. And there is a contest between the Vision and the memories. I prayed unto the Lords of Vision, saying: O my Lords, take not away this wonder from my sight.

And they said: It must needs be. Rejoice therefore if thou hast been permitted to behold, even for a moment, this Arrow, the austere, the august. But the vision is accomplished, and we have sent forth a great wind against thee. For thou canst not penetrate by force, who hast refused it; nor by authority, for thou hast trampled it under foot. Thou art bereft of all but understanding, O thou that art no more than a little pile of dust!

And the images rise up against me and constrain me, so that the Aethyr is shut against me. Only the things of the mind and of the body are open unto me. The shew-stone is dull, for that which I see therein is but a memory. “

The 5th AEthyr
https://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/418/aetyr5.htm

Thanks Shiva
The 5th AEthyr in its entirety was amazing !

He seems to have passed through that netherworld region of the Naga-Loka where the Loong in the border lands of the ethyric, shape forms from which expressions of beings from other regions can be reached.
Baraqiel Sanat Kumara etc

 


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There have been at least 3 times I've seen a UFO and had a camera on me. Once, it was an actual camera (not a smart phone) that was literally in my hands. While visiting the Giant Rock in Landers, California, made famous by contactee George Van Tassel, while the rest of the tour group was busy being duped into believing satellites were "fastwalkers" by some self-proclaimed expert, I saw a light come out of the side of the quartz filled mountains on the opposite horizon just as the sun was setting. It had a spotlight pointing forward. I thought it was a helicopter at first, but it made no noise and had no blinking lights. Of course it instantly disappeared as soon as I was about to simultaneously alert the group & raise my right hand & press record on the camera strapped therein. Here's the thing though, if I did manage to capture that experience, it would have been woefully underwhelming. The entire event lasted about 5 seconds. At best it would've been 3-4 seconds of shaky, hand held footage desperately trying to get some blob of light in the distance into focus. The other times were essentially the same. An odd light catches my eye. I wonder if it's conventional aircraft. It doesn't seem to be. I reach for my phone. It disappears. Again, had I obtained footage, it would've been a few seconds of a tiny blob of light in a shaky, out of focus video. I have an older phone, but I'm assuming it's still quite difficult to get good, steady in-focus shots while zoomed in on a distant, moving object. 

Is physical evidence even possible these days? I think a lot people would need to see a 3D ET do some kind of human-defying trick in person & be allowed to touch it, what with the deep-fake, metahuman, CG world we now live in. Some people think the sky is CG and that snow is fake. I would definitely be most skeptical of any government "disclosure" or "official" story regarding UFOs & their potential praeternatural pilots. Again, I personally am not interested in proving any of this to anyone. It seems that may be part of all this as well. There is no knowing without engagement. You don't get to play ball and keep your hands clean. Once you know, then you know that others will never know unless they do the same. There will never be "evidence" of its veracity, as much as I hope that they land en masse handing out copies of The Real Necronomicon & pipes loaded with super-salvia. It may be that the experience requires the parts of the psyche that demand explanations be transcended, at least temporarily. It seems to be an initiatory force of some sort. In some cases, it seems as if "initiation gonna initiate" even if there aren't 3D humans around for guidance & context. Exploring these sorts of avenues seem much more rewarding to me than spending lots of time & energy to summon an "alien" just for a selfie. Can you imagine being called across vast gulfs of space, only to come through the portal to have some smelly ape man stick a flashing camera in your face? Could there not be more in the future than just the mad, jibbering ape ruled by rage & lust, & the cold, calculating, bloodless reptilian that cares for nothing but numbers & facts? I think the UFOnauts may know the answer.


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Posted by: @tiger

The 5th AEthyr in its entirety was amazing !

It is one of three AEthyrs I have somehow retained as "meaningful." This was the 5th, the other two are the 10th (the evocation of Choronzon) and the 8th (How to invoke the HGA).

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expressions of beings from other regions can be reached.

The 5th is "above the abyss." But above the abyss there is no form, no images, no cartoons. The fact that he could "see" images, and hear words, suggest that the mind goes along for the ride, otherwise to images/words could be seen/uttered.

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the Giant Rock in Landers, California, ... George Van Tassel

Oh, that place!  I visited there three or four times. Van Tassel was one of the earlier contactees - I've read his stuff an it seems he was essentially in contact with benevolent  humanoids..

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Is physical evidence even possible these days?

Usually not. But I have one interesting entry. Several other videos and still-shots from that time period simply disappeared from digital storage in my wife's cam/fone. I will be happy to furnish the Chapter (with a still pic from the video) if you missed it.

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the deep-fake, metahuman, CG world we now live in.

Oh, that place!

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It may be that the experience requires the parts of the psyche that demand explanations be transcended, at least temporarily.

I demanded proof and refused to go forward in this area (the subject of this thread) until I got it. I got enough (as mentioned above) to move forward.

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stick a flashing camera

The super low-light cameras do not need a flash. We have one in use here.

 

 


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MORE BREAKING NEWS

"A US government report on sightings of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) found no evidence of alien activity but does not rule it out, officials have told US media.

"The review of 120 incidents is expected to conclude that US technology was not involved in most cases. But beyond that, the report makes no definitive assessments about what the objects might be, officials said."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57355192

 

RESEARCH REPORT

I have been doing some inquiry into Scalar Energy (it's formal name in the science dept), aka Quantum or Radiated Energy. Here's a few fun facts (extracted from the Scalar Light Docs ...

 I've been perusing the Quantum/Scalar energy realm. Here are a few fun facts. If you want copies of the three (3) PDFs that explain this stuff in common language, let me know.

 

Tesla removed the combustion engine of an automobile and replaced it with a sealed engine capable of receiving scalar energy power transmission. He correspondingly invented a scalar energy receiver that consisted of twelve vacuum tubes and an antenna that provided the scalar energy power source for the engine.

The receiver was installed inside the dashboard of the retrofitted automobile. In operation, the vehicle performed flawlessly reaching a top speed of 90 MPH without any sign of stress. Furthermore, the scalar energy engine operated without he emission of any gas or pollutant and was accordingly silent in operation. The Tesla car utilized scalar energy as its motive power source—not gasoline.

In 1899, Tesla located to Colorado Springs, Colorado in order to conduct more scalar energy experiments. A laboratory was constructed in conjunction with a tower that Tesla utilized to freely transmit his scalar energy. The experiments proved to be successful as Tesla illuminated lamps at a distance of 25 miles by way of the wireless transmission of scalar energy.

 

Nikola Tesla may have been the father of Scalar Energy, but he wasn’t the only person to discover its existence. As a young engineer in Kansas City, a man named Thomas Galen Hieronymus was asked to build some unusual electrical devices for his neighbor, Dr. Planck.

Later, he discovered that the devices were radionic instruments, first introduced to the world by Dr. Albert Abrams of San Francisco. This sparked his interest in radionic technology and set his mind on the objective of learning more.

In 1949, after researching and building his device for years, Hieronymus became the first and only person to ever successfully patent a radionics machine. He believed that his device detected a previously unknown form of energy that was emitted continuously by all elements.

Once calibrated, he found that he could use the device to identify unknown mineral samples. The circuitry in this device utilized both electrical and optical components.

 

Experiments were conducted with gyroscopes that revealed a decrease in weight when the gyroscope was rotated in a counter-clockwise motion in unison with the counter-clockwise force of the Coriolis Effect in the Northern hemisphere. Kozyrev concluded that the Coriolis Effect imparted additional scalar energy upon the gyroscope that served to decrease the weight of the object. The phenomenon of weight change is common in gyroscope experiments and Kozyrev’s results have been independently replicated. Kozyrev went on to propose that space travel would be feasible if scalar energy was utilized, thereby allowing anti-gravity propulsion in order to overcome any temporal or spatial constraint.

[end extracts]

I have no control over the spacing, but you can see free power, ufo power, the star-sponge, and quantum healing in the sentences.


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I know someone who has a German father who is a a fan of Rudolph Steiner. She refuses to introduce us for some reason. But I have seen pictures of 12'-14' high corn. The tops of the plants were growing in a sinusoid pattern. He achieved this by burying "cosmic pipes" in the ground. We don't know what's in these cosmic pipes, but they can be used for multiple purposes.

My friend was telling me about a stranger wandering on their very rural property. Thinking he was lost, they asked if he needed help getting back on a main road. Much to their surprise, this man claimed to be a shaman who picked up some kind of energy trail or ley line. Much to his surprise, the shaman had picked up on the line of cosmic pipes designed to keep storm winds at bay buried around the farm house.

Her boyfriend has a "no-pill aspirin" bottle, it's called, if I recall correctly. It's a tiny, battery-less circuit board inside a small plastic medicine bottle. I almost never get headaches, but it does seem to vibrate or tingle when you hold it in your hand. I'm assuming the cosmic pipes are a kind of souped-up version of this, but that's pure speculation.

I'm reminded of Wilhelm Reich's battles with UFOs. I wonder if that had anything to do with Tha Man bringing the big ban hammer down on him with a swiftness?

I'm not expecting much from that government report. Looks like I won't be disappointed.


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I'm not expecting much from that government report. Looks like I won't be disappointed.

Groucho's posts are very interesting.

 

I will add that my own “Occult Adventure” has involved encounters with LAM and other entities I would identify as ET. But I would also say that my experiences belong to what Shiva calls the 4-D.

 

I knew a medical doctor who experienced the UFO/ET Phenom. He only shared this with me in context of great reticence. This was someone who had nothing to gain and everything to lose from his story of “Contact.”

 

It is my opinion that Grant remains a man beyond his time as to such experiences. He got it as a type of Eastern Mystic living in the UK. For Grant, the 3-D/4-D were both illusory realms.

 

The Military, on the other hand, sees the relationship as “advantageous.” But the Military has no need or regard for Devotional Yoga. There is an upsurge from the depths of the primate subconscious. This power should not be underestimated.

 

The technology expands. The urge remains the same.

 

We err if we think the “Other” (i.e. the Alien) is beneficent or malevolent.

 

Duality and Desire extends into the Cosmos.

 

Our “Qabala” is far more than Terrestrial.


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Posted by: @grouchotrout

We don't know what's in these cosmic pipes, but they can be used for multiple purposes.

Yes we do. Simply put, a copper plate on the roof with wires running to the basement where they are connected to smaller copper plates on boxes filled with dirt & seeds. The seeds sprout in total darkness and are healthy. Control boxes with no copper plates will sprout, but the sprouts are unhealthy.

As to what's in the "pipe" (which is a wire) is a particular energy that has many names. Let me recite the partial litany: Chi, Qi, Ki, Prana, Orgone (Reich), Radiant Energy (Tesla), Fine Energy. The fifth-ray scientific guys have adopted the term, Scalar Energy.

This energy is NOT our usual electromagnetic energy, and it has completely different characteristics. It is the energy that the gov/mil uses when it comes to things being discussed in this thread. It is used commercially for healing purposes, and I can attest to its efficacy.

On the other hand, it's associated with radionics and quantum physics. I am about in the first grade in these subjects.

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I'm assuming the cosmic pipes are a kind of souped-up version of this

Actually, the pipes are simple. They were invented by ...

"Nikola Tesla may have been the father of Scalar Energy, but he wasn’t the only person to
discover its existence. As a young engineer in Kansas City, a man named Thomas Galen
Hieronymus was asked to build some unusual electrical devices for his neighbor, Dr. Planck."

"Well, the inspiration for cosmic pipes came
from an early experiment by Hieronymus, in
which several cigar boxes were filled with soil
and grain seeds before being placed in a
basement. Some boxes had copper plates
installed in the lids, and some of these were
connected by wire to a large copper plate
mounted on the roof of his home. The seeds
in all boxes germinated, but only those
connected to the roof plate grew sprouts that
were green and healthy. Hieronymus
reasoned that cosmic energy was responsible
for the healthy growth.
Expanding on this idea, Hieronymus crafted
many more cosmic pipes over the years. He
eventually added a reagent well in which
specimens could be placed. He would then
study the vibrational patterns from the
specimen as it drew forth the energy and broadcast it into the soil."

The "Scalar Light" booklet goes on to discuss radionics and things like instruments like you are describing.

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I'm reminded of Wilhelm Reich's battles with UFOs. I wonder if that had anything to do with Tha Man bringing the big ban hammer down on him with a swiftness?

Probably. Whatever he did to violate the unknown code, it was too much, and he was put out of commission rather quickly.

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I will add that my own “Occult Adventure” has involved encounters with LAM and other entities I would identify as ET. But I would also say that my experiences belong to what Shiva calls the 4-D.

Yes, yes. It's these gov/mil people who are working with the 3D/4D interface that interests me. My own 4D adventure has already been written, but there's a new version coming. In 4D. As a novel; I'm not crazy.

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For Grant, the 3-D/4-D were both illusory realms.

I agree. Not because I can prove it, but such viewpoints can easily be seen when one is in a certain state of sensitivity, or intoxication. The word's going around that this 4D astral stuff is merely a phase we're going to be going through, but that beyond the end-zone is

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The technology expands. The urge remains the same.

Control of others. "Self-control" is not mentioned as a goal.

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We err if we think the “Other” (i.e. the Alien) is beneficent or malevolent.

That's also the word going around.

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I've kept quiet on this topic because my experience is extremely limited, but I do have one personal story to relate.

One evening in about 2014 or 2015 my partner and I were driving into town for a session in a local pub. It was perhaps 7pm and already dark. I was driving. As we descended into a dip in the road just before a small bridge, and orange light, like a ball, which appeared to have some internal detailing that I couldn't make out, came past the drivers side door at window height. In that instant my mind tried to process it. Was it a bicycle light (in the middle of the road, which I somehow missed until it was right alongside me), lights from the nearby houses reflected my window (possible but a much deeper orange than those lights). I would have dismissed it, except my partner asked; "what was that light?" evidently seeing the same thing as me and being just as nonplussed. 

I have no idea what this was, so it does answer to the description of unidentified phenomena, although not aerial.


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My most memorable encounters have all been in 4D. Obviously, I still re-member my 3D ones (the ones I re-member anyways!), but I remember less about them than the 4D ones.

General agreement with your opinions above. Shaved apes with space age tech. It seems in my experience that the tech is meant to stand in for certain effects that appear to correspond with certain bio-chemical changes. It also seems that someone there might have the cart before the horse. 

There's a strain of brains that over emphasizes the ability to label & categorize. To re-produce the exact result every time. This doesn't seem "bad" in & of it-self. In fact, properly wielded, it can bring great boons to societies at large, but obsession with this idea seems like a silly game, at the very least, & a horrific, dystopian nightmare at worst. 

It's been more useful for me to approach each moment as a unique work of art. This seems to frustrate self-imposed, gate-keepers of power & autonomy. Singular expressions of individualism that simultaneously & paradoxically inspire the same in others cannot be re-produced, commodified & used to exploit & control large segments of the population, unless purchased or appropriated. Gurdjieff springs to mind now...

I approach all apparent "Others"/Not-Selves in the same way. No assumptions in any direction. Present & in the moment. Trust my-selves & my training. Let the act happen. 

I re-member reading Grant for the first time about 10 years ago & chuckling to my-self at how silly it all was. Similar to my first experience with Gurdjieff. Only in retrospect do I appreciate...

Words fail me often when it comes to much of my journey because there's this very odd thing going on that involves time. Beyond 3D, time seems to be more accurately represented as a sort of topology, & the method that my spirit/"alien"/ultra-terrestrial/etc friends & allies have established contact with me are, in & of themselves, lessons, in a way, of how this topology can be approached & navigated. After some limited, though potent, experience with these matters, I would come across Ouspensky's Tertium Organum, which would be a verification of the previous experiences. Ouspenksy would be how I later became familiar with Gurdjieff. This sort of pattern weaves its-selves in & out of the linear-self's continuum. Some of these alternate timelines seem to be from parallel/alternate realities/universes.

Whatever the imagery & the approach, what motivates me forward are the results. I feel more engaged with my-selves & others & the world(s) around me & I'm very grateful for it all.


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Posted by: @pertinax

a session in a local pub.

You sot. Who would believe a drunk?

Posted by: @pertinax

at window height.

Posted by: @pertinax

unidentified phenomena, although not aerial.

Window height sounds aerial (unless it was attached to wheels or something.

I have repeatedly stated that I have not seen any such nonsense as UFOs. But then something clicked in my noggin' and I realized that what I thought was a meteor, only a hundred feet away, could not have been. It was on a downhill trajectory, but just barely, and it never crashed.

Interestingly, I looked up some references to foo-fighters (originally called "fucking foo-fighters" by an Air Force officer> Um, their descriptions match my vision. The vision was at 3 AM on a deserted Arizona Hwy (Hwy 93, if I recall correctly), in 1968 or so. I looked at "foo-fighters" three days ago.

It's nice to see things coming into (or towards) a point in real linear time.

The one I saw sported green fire.

 


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I really need to get a handle on the quote function. Apologies if my replies seem a bit random.

When I said, "we don't know what's in the pipes" I meant my friend Margot, we'll call her, & her boyfriend, who happens to be one of me best mates. Her dad isn't spilling any beans & she refuses to let either my-self or her now ex-boyfriend talk to him about his devices. I would very much like to have direct instruction in person, as opposed to books. Goes without saying, I do love my books, though.

I'm a kindergartener when it comes to radionics, but I've all-ways been fascinated with it. I have a couple books on the subject but half of them both are complete jibberish to my ignorant self. I hear from some sources that a mere drawing of the schematic of the radionic device works just as well as the device itself. 


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I hear from some sources that a mere drawing of the schematic of the radionic device works just as well as the device itself. 

I have one (I think it's an actual schematic) embedded in what looks like a credit card. It's with a selection of electronic mojo items. I'll have to give it a closer look/feel.


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When I think about it, the radionic-blue-print-as-device angle re-minds me of a hyper-sigil. Not sure if that's the most accurate term, but considering there are symbolic components with specific intentions contained within the entire glyph, it could be interpreted as a synergistic, singular object built by individual sigils. One could extrapolate & perhaps construct a "UFO" out of individual sigils.

When "Margot" was 6 years old, her dad had her stand under a large frame of a pyramid he constructed. She claims to have been able to see people's auras while standing under this pyramidal structure. She claims to have intuitively "smudged holes" out of some people's auras with her fingers. To clarify, she saw holes in auras & used her fingers like a smudge tool in editing programs to fill in these holes with the surrounding colors.

She had told me about the auras in high school, but it wasn't until much later that she told me it only happened while she was standing under a pyramid frame her Anthroposophical father had built in a barn surrounded by "cosmic pipes."


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You sot. Who would believe a drunk?

By 'session', I mean folk music session, which just happened to take place in a pub, as they do.

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Window height sounds aerial (unless it was attached to wheels or something.

Which was why my first thought was bicycle. Whatever it was seemed to move alongside the car at about the level of a bicycle light. I couldn't rule that explanation out but it was unusual and inexplicable enough that I thought it worth mentioning.

Anything else I have 'seen', has largely been whilst in altered states of consciousness, either hypnogogic, full sleep, or under the influence of psychedelics, and therefore easy to discount as delusions of a disordered mind. All of these, without exception, has taken the form of dead things, shells if you like, usually complete with the full fear and loathing that such things inspire. At most these are astral detritus, but they never took the form of aliens or UFO's, I don't seem to be plugged in to that paradigm.


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Posted by: @grouchotrout

a hyper-sigil. Not sure if that's the most accurate term,

Maybe not, but I think you're on the right track.

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a pyramid frame

This old debatable trick (from the early '70s) is no trick. I and another conducted research into pyramids (circa '72). At that time, only small pyramids were being built - out of cardboard, tinfoil, or wood (any material works). It was a couple years later that the larger (~5' high) pyramids made of aluminum tubing started selling - mostly in occult bookshops!

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... they never took the form of aliens or UFO's, I don't seem to be plugged in to that paradigm.

Whatever one sees or encounters in the inner vision, and even in the world outside, is called one's karmic vision. Whatever we see (in or out) is just that "reflection" of one's state and status. We, all of us humans, have a similar frequency in our karma, so we all get injected into Earth Ground Zero, where we tend to agree on the "mutual consensus" basics (blue sky, mostly brown earth, gravity, etc), but anything related to the non-terrestrial circuits seems to vary, sometimes greatly, from what others report.

Personally, I have seen (inner) UFOs to a great extent. But I have yet to meet an alien, or even a human wizard, face to face. I have reported extensive interaction with (inner) human figures. In the early days, they wore black hooded robes, and later there were no folks at all. The type and details of inner visions are entirely dependent upon the thoughtform-making capacity of the perceiver ... and, oohoo, are we all different! So when we meet someone who shares some aspect of their inner vision with us, we are pleased to meet them, and we get to share the similarity ... while others see different things.

 


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My most memorable encounters have all been in 4D.

Allow me to intoduce an alternative concept, with a question. After consultation with others on this matter, I find something is not "quite right." The Alien/UFO Paradigm indicates or implies that this space-age 4D realm is the (our) "astral plane" (their words).

However (there's always a but), my experiences of the astral plane and this space-age 4D do not equate. Most of us are familiar with the astral realm, the changing (or fixed) visions, the kaleidoscopic patterns, the ancient symbols, etc.

But (there's always a however), the 4D imagery is stable, looking just like the "real" world ... with the addition of VHT (very high tech), flying ships, and (for some) aliens. I never met an alien, so this is not part of my garden office. (The "garden office" is located directly behind the eyes; it is where the Shen [consciousness] goes in the daytime to conduct business.

Then we have the basic definition of the 8th circuit, where angels, aliens, and UFOs are reported ... usually accompanied by abduction, out-of-body (100%), time distortions, instantaneous healing, etc (miracles or nightmares ... for real).

It should be noted that technology operating in this paradigm is scalar. Scalar is the currently-adopted name for Quantum, Chi, Prana, Orgone, Vril, and Fine Energy. The medical and scientific operations performed by scalar instruments is known as radionics.

My best guess at this point is that these "happenings" are definitely 8th circuit, but they are somehow conducted or channeled through the astral realm. Since this doesn't make any sense (to me) right now, I wonder if anyone has a good theory or hard fact about the mechanism involved?


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My best guess at this point is that these "happenings" are definitely 8th circuit, but they are somehow conducted or channeled through the astral realm. Since this doesn't make any sense (to me) right now, I wonder if anyone has a good theory or hard fact about the mechanism involved?

Perhaps I'm missing something critical here, but surely all phenomena are channeled through the astral realm? Everything we perceive is passed through the filter of the mind/yetziratic centre of the perceiver. Even as light shines red for the ruby and green for the emerald, or something to that effect.

My astral tends to be full of religious and supernatural imagery, so that's what I tend to get when I work in that realm, others see spaceships and little green men. Perhaps I have my wires crossed?


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Perhaps I'm missing something critical here, but surely all phenomena are channeled through the astral realm?

I would think so, according to general metaphysical theory (all the planes filter or condense down to the Astral, which then affects Malkuth). That part is easy enough. But, in this case, the visions and experiences present their own "clear" reality - which is not the usual astral stuff. I am wondering why their "clarity" differs from the qualities of what we know as "astral projection" or "astral vision."

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others see spaceships and little green men.

Right. I see ships but not little or big men of any colour.

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Perhaps I have my wires crossed?

Not that I know of. I'm not presenting a hypothesis or proclaiming a fact. I am basing my question on my own experiences with astral projection and ship-work being of a different quality.


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