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AC's writings on BOTL supports 395 as II:76 cipher's total value:

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the_real_simon_iff
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@threefold31 Ah, I didn't know that. Congrats, it is a very beautiful approach in my eyes. I surely was made to believe that it was herupakraat's idea, but why I don't know.


   
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@threefold31 Here's what made me believe he is the inventor (from his PDF "The Tri-key Analysis):

"Two weeks later, a sudden urge motivated me to create a gematria system
that could be paired with the arrangement of ideas. Once again I found myself
involved in a discourse with what appeared to be an independent consciousness;
the mind at work explained that the best gematria system is the one that
produces the most coincidences between words that share the same value, and
that such a system could be created using the count of each letter in the Book of
the Law, which explains how and why the letters and values of the English
alphabet were integrated into the Tri-key:"

As a connoisseur of Cyper Solutions he should have come by your invention. Maybe he didn't remember?


   
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Dwtw

He knows all about where the idea came from, because it originated during a debate between us on the yahoo group called Holycram 20 years ago. I have mentioned this fact in these forums before. It's no big deal, it's not an idea I pursued very much because the results didn't seem all that impressive at the time, and I was busy with Trigrammaton anyway.

 

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Posted by: @threefold31

For the record, the idea of numbering the English alphabet from 1 to 26 with the most common letters in CCXX to the least common was an idea I first espoused many years ago on Holycram.

True, after Frater AMO provided the letter counts in 1999. I remember you voicing the possibility the counts might be used as a gematria system, but I had no interest in the system at the time, nor any experience with it until 2009. I'm curious why you think I would suddenly become interested in a gematria system created by someone else ten years earlier, that held no meaning for me at the time, which is what you seem to imply. To use the system I had to do the same thing AMO did, write a software routine that would count the letters, making my use of the system independent of yours and his.

"Three weeks later I experienced a sudden urge to create a gematria system that complements the arrangement of cosmological ideas; it was from Tahuti I learned the letter counts of the Book of the Law are the correct basis for the gematria system predicted in verse II:55, the same system experimented with by Gillis and Frater AMO. The gematria system and the arrangement of cosmological ideas form the true alphanumeric key to the Book of the Law, The Tri-key." -- from my unpublished writings.

 

 


   
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While this thread, started by @wellreadwellbred, does concerns itself with a solution to II. 76 as 395  (which seem like a hint towards something else), through use of serial A=1... Z=26 standard numerical values of the English Alphabet, I have trouble seeing why a "Battle of Detroit" over who came up with a unique approach to ordering the values of the English Alphabet first has to do with this thread concerning a little known statement by Aleister Crowley found in the Equinox of the Gods. 

Perhaps the warring parties can start a new thread by which their respective war-engines can engage in battle!


   
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@hadgigegenraum It was just a short interlude and now seeing that the originator(s) were publicly acknowledged in an unpublished text [sic!], I am sure that everybody is happy and the matter is done. Just scroll over it. Also WRWB's pondering "Will this also become a 30 pages long thread?" isn't technically possible at all without getting off-topic.


   
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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

I am sure that everybody is happy

Sure.

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

the matter is done.

Of course it is.

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

... isn't technically possible at all ...

With Magick, all things are possible. You WILL find a new technology.


   
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@the_real_simon_iff 

Thank you for the suggestion...

I do appreciate the contributions of @wellbredwellread...who does stick to the Crowley archives...


   
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

I do appreciate the contributions of @wellbredwellread.

Me too.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

...who does stick to the Crowley archives...

The thing of course is that the "Crowley Archives" (read: extensive quoting) are constantly changing and reshaping like a living beast. Just like the rest of the universe.

 

 


   
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@the_real_simon_iff

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

The thing of course is that the "Crowley Archives" (read: extensive quoting) are constantly changing and reshaping like a living beast. Just like the rest of the universe.

 

Yes a good observation and description, and a very good attitude to take!

Thus relative to this thread, 395 represents a certain example of the oroborososian nature of the "Crowley archives" alive, and evolving, to come round here to bite its tale, as the phoenix of the three numbers as a whole finds audience these many years later from 1936 ev...till today the 2022 ev. all in-between  in various gestations...we find the interface of those so interested in discoveries, each claims, to which there are many others, to which one interesting example is the eleven count ALW arrangement, simple but unique and with the first three letters of magical import...or what various other iterations of English Alphabet orders, or as our friends have sorted out where the idea for letter number counts in Liber Legis, a unique idea, and where it could be claimed that the "war engine" would be thus the making of a computer program, as @Heruparkraath here has stated, to assist in such a project...

Maybe the numbers are between the letters, and I think the whole issue of the there is a dichotomy between staring with 1 or starting with 0 , lends to a certain flux beyond certain fixed conceptions. Take  777, as part of the archive, of others that AC took on, an while he provided a certain basis, that compendium and dictionary of sorts evolves, as you state does the nature of the catalogue and universe change...


   
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Now 395 is a most interesting number and now with further references, to which I shall add, relative to a tip from @katrice that had nothing to do with this thread, but she had mentioned and influence on Eilphas Levi being a Polish metaphysician named Jozef Hoëné Wronski ...eventually the threads of my research on Wronski found me down river at a site where i would find an article on the “Archeosofica” work of Tomasso Palamidessi, where it was in this article my eye would catch!

https://cesnur.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/tjoc_6_4_2_corradetti-cresti.pdf

"Palamidessi mentions the organ of Trinity Church in Cambridge, with a central La at 395Hz"

 La = 395 hz

So here we have a number translated out of II. 76 into a listening, of the words and numbers added through the most simple order and value of the English Alphabet, that finds it being the number of a frequency, that happens to be a musical note.

@wellreadwellbred

While it is not the organ of Trinity Church in Cambridge, said tuned to the central La = 395hz, it is interesting to note the poem published in The Equinox I(2) of September 1909 called: 

The Organ in King's Chapel, Cambridge

THEN silence,and the veil of light is raised
And darkness seen behind.  Now softly sound
The Angels' herald-trumpets, calling round
Thunders and mighty winds and powers amazed.
Now laden with the spirit of man's hand
There bursts an awful clarion-shout and brings
Strange whispering and rushing of strange wings
Battling, and furtive secrets of command.

Down from the height and up from the abyss
Are swept dominion, power, angel, throne,
For unimaginable ends, and hiss,
And fall.  The heralds trumpet; they are gone.
Tread softly — 'tis in God's house thou hast been —
And fearfully — 'tis God that thou hast seen.

G. H. S. PINSENT.

 

 


   
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