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The title is a reference to AL 2:22.

 

Anyone got a list of legal highs available in the UK?

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Be very careful with so-called "legal highs", especially anything that purports to be a cannabis substitute, most of which will be either inert wastes of money, or else the very dodgy "JWH" cannabinoid compounds (aka "spice").

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/jwh-018

Most "legal highs" are under-researched substances, many of which have turned out to be much more dangerous than the harmless but illegal substances they are meant to substitute for, such as cannabis, shrooms, and LSD.

The "JWH" compounds have almost universally very bad results. Reefer is still illegal in the UK, but is easily available there, and about a million times safer than any "legal high" claiming to offer similar effects. Shrooms grow in most places in the UK where there is cowshit, and are by far the safest psychedelic substance available, provided one has some minimal mycology knowledge and can tell blue from other colors.


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Be very careful with so-called "legal highs", especially anything that purports to be a cannabis substitute, most of which will be either inert wastes of money, or else the very dodgy "JWH" cannabinoid compounds (aka "spice").

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I thought "spice" was illegal.  If not it will be, it crops up on the news now and again.  

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Of course, i am not super-familiar with UK drug laws, and The Man may well have criminalized "spice"/the various JWH compounds over there by now. If so, probably one of the few drug laws that make sense..

Just be VERY clear that LEGAL ≠  SAFE, nor is it the case that ILLEGAL = UNSAFE.

 


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Of course, i am not super-familiar with UK drug laws, and The Man may well have criminalized "spice"

The USA Manput spice, JWH, and many similar compounds on the "Just Say No" list a while ago. I was lucky to have obtained some of these quite legal things when they were legal. I believe you sampled some when you cruised through here. None of these were "street deals," which is always risky. My purchases came straight from the chemical where-house with a detailed chemical/purity analysis. Only one product caused a side-effect, mild nausea, and sure enough, the literature warned of ... nausea.

 


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A review of a stunt performer sampling various chemical substances;

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbTfJB-vfpc&t=23s

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Is LSD now renamed e? I've been trying to get hold of LSD, and I know that hipsters are "microdosing" on it, but no potential source has ever come through.


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In case you aren't joking, "E" generally is short for "ecstasy", aka MDMA, a quasi-psychedelic amphetamine.

An old pal once referred to MDMA as "schoolgirl acid", and explained "It's like acid with training wheels on". Aside from the sexism of his initial formulation, i agree.

I think you are in the UK; find a cow-pasture, after reading up on mycology. According to an ex-GF, Devon is practically paved with Psilocybe semilanceata.


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Devon is practically paved with Psilocybe semilanceata.

Alas, numbers have reduced in recent years due to changes in farming practices throughout the UK since about 2003. 20 years ago this was the case and a person could collect shopping bags full of them (not that anybody needs that much). However, find the right field, with livestock, preferably sheep, and the right sort of grass, poas and fescues rather than seeded ryegrasses.

It is my observation, although I have no empirical evidence to back it up, that semilanceata seems to prefer low forage value, low diversity, slightly overgrazed pastures, which is probably why they used to proliferate in the west and north of the UK.

Perhaps this is because they like a low competition ecosystem with regular deposits of organic fertiliser.


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Is LSD now renamed e? I've been trying to get hold of LSD, and I know that hipsters are "microdosing" on it, but no potential source has ever come through.

Hipsters? Try the entire technical staff of wizards in Silicon Valley, Home of the Borg. Well, ok, I guess you can call computer programmers hipsters. LSD is LSD and you're having a hard time finding it because it's illegal everywhere.

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"ecstasy", aka MDMA, a quasi-psychedelic amphetamine.

And "E," aka Xtc, has been (and is now) approved for experimental use in treating PTSD in the USA.

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"schoolgirl acid"

Right. But this schoolgirl stuff is superior to LSD in uncovering (evoking) repressed complexes. Less flash-bang, but (almost) instant access to the hidden demons.

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Perhaps this is because they like a low competition ecosystem with regular deposits of organic fertiliser.

I don't know about the technical aspects, but Oregon, and (lesssly in) Washington State, produced a bumper crop every time it rains (in the proper season). "Just look for a cow pasture the day after it rains; they are everywhere," I was told (in Oregon, by Oregoners).

 


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So  how often was Crowley stoned on weed etc? 

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how often was Crowley stoned on weed etc? 

According to his letters and even some Libers ... most of his time.


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Wine is presumably legal under the plandemic lockdowns in UK.... as for a strange drugs.... salvia divinorium, which certainly is strange....is not  legal under UK law...legal in some place though....~~~


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Bath salts.  Anyone done them?  I don't mean in your bath I mean swallowing them.

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salvia divinorium, which certainly is strange....is not  legal under UK law...legal in some place though...

Why, yes. Salvia is legal in the USA. We bought some and tried it. Low-level visions. Not recommended or endorsed, for liberation, by me.

 


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Wine is presumably legal under the plandemic lockdowns in UK.... as for a strange drugs.... salvia divinorium, which certainly is strange....is not  legal under UK law...legal in some place though....~~~

They banned it.

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Bath salts.

Usually this means some kind of amphetamine-like substance.

Highly un-reccomended, not at all psychedelic, often quite unpleasant effects, and very seldom any spiritually useful ones.

These used to be sold as "bonsai fertilizer" before bath salts became the standard name. There was a very funny sales site that boasted about how their bonsai ferts would make your giant bonsai the envy of the neighborhood.

In any case, bath salts are not libations of spiritual liberation.

There are much better research chemicals for those that want cocaine/amphetamine effects. Not that i recommend these either. If you are in need of cocaine/amphetamine effects, i would recommend some cocaine, or perhaps some amphetamine (after securing the needed prescriptions, of course).


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Salvia is legal in the USA.

In some states, including New Mexico, where you live, and New York, where i live, yes. In others, no. There are no Federal Salvia laws but many state ones.

The map included here, although not the text, says Vermont is one of the states that prohibit it, BTW, @hadgigegenraum. The talk page indicates that this is not a very reliable article however.

I would agree that Salvia is not a vehicle of liberation. The pharmacology is that it is an opioid agonist. So more akin to opium/morphine/heroin/kratom than LSD/DMT/shrooms.


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They banned it.

Who are "They?" Frater H.'. indicated that is was illegal in the UK. This is the same as "banning it." Are you referring to your UK?

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often quite unpleasant effects, and very seldom any spiritually useful ones.

We seem to be subjected (at this time) to an unrolling of the list of bad drugs> Datura, Salvia, Bathroom Salts.

Like the Roman Church, maybe we can compile a list of "approved" strange drugs, and a list of "banned" substances that are strange but not commended or recommended for ingestion due to their low-grade effects.

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cocaine/amphetamine effects, i would recommend some cocaine, or perhaps some amphetamine (after securing the needed prescriptions, of course).

Frater Shem, DDS, provided us with One Ounce of legal, pharmaceutical grade cocaine. It cost exactly $4.00. It last for years because nobody used it, except for a tiny sprinkle into a cannabisian roller. Most of th remaining ounce was lost in the Inquistion turmoil.

 

 


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Cocaine is good, albeit stupid, fun. Crowley wrote more of The Hag, and i believe also MITP (and very likely other books) while high on it. A common NYC Spanish slang term for it is "perico" which meants parrot, because it makes you talk a lot.

The best summary of cocaine is one i heard years ago,and have long forgotten the source of: "Cocaine is an IQ test. If you're still doing it, you flunked."


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Cocaine is good, albeit stupid, fun.

80% of the dental school students were using amphetamines to get through school. Two to three hours of sleep a night is what's alloted, if you want to be a dentist. Well, I didn't want to be a dentist (I finally discovered), but 3.5 of my 4 years there was fueled by the uppity -amines (I am speaking of modest dosages, such as one might take with an Rx for overweightness. I only heard of one side-effect ...

One of the finest, most dexterious, most crafted students used to be a jeweler. Projects were due and he was burning the midnight oil, like all of us. He ran out of pills and his benzedrine inhaler was handy. He broke open the inhaler and ate the cotton wad (saturated with benz). He finished the projects. Shortly thereafter, he was in the hospital getting an appendectomy. When they examined his removed appendix, they found a wad of cotton inside. I hope this provides a suitable moral to dwell on before readers swallow their inhaler.


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Bath salts.

 

So not actual bath salts then?

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uppity -amines

As i have discussed, i have extensive experience with the use of methamphetamine, and various other forms of amphetamines. I did not sleep much from 17 to 27. I have used amphetamines perhaps a dozen times since age 27, which is 35 years, so i seem to be cutting down.

Heavy use leads to temporary psychosis, and often a lot of amusing events, if one lives (the drugs won't kill you, but the people you have annoyed might). Moderate use leads to an emotional deadening, and considerable increases in productivity at whatever work one is occupied with.

No level of use led to any spiritual effects of any value. Not a vehicle of liberation.


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not actual bath salts then?

I am sure one can still purchase bath salts that are intended for bathing, but given the context i figured you were not wanting to wash your body, but to wash your soul in the Blood Of The Lamb.

As far as soap, i am a Castile man myself.


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So not actual bath salts then?

Buying research chemicals from the legal (but now extinct) chemical company involved a signed statement of use. I always listed "plant fertilizer." One could list anything but "human consumption." "Bath Salts" was apparently thought up by some wiz, and it caught on. Nobody put it in their bathtub. 


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"Bath salts" usually means various "designer drug"/"research chemical" mephedrone and cathinone related substances similar to those found in khat, a popular stimulant plant used in various parts of Africa.

Possession of khat is a felony in the US, although when the National Botanic Garden in DC (next to the US Capitol) is open in non-COVID times, one can pick it there from a plant quite close to the main entrance.


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Despite what Shiva has reported and Ignant inferred, I would say that Salvia Divinorium extracts smoked are the most powerful psychedelic substance i have encountered...a first experience smoking the leave did give the impression of gravity, of a sinking....to which with an potentized extract the pull of gravity, the sinking body was accompanied by the most potent full unzipping of the very light bead fabric of swirling spinning helixes where a sudden full immersion of the trip does upon what feels like as being pinned down provided a very unsettling feeling that was also found some deep archetypal childhood images come to consciousness, with a cartoon silliness to the whole thing at times...There is no speediness other than the whoosh of the images...there is a profound relaxation, and it can get comical and weird...and of course it would not effect Shiva as Shiva can neutralize all poisons, now I am not sure that Ignant has tried it yet but it is legal in Nueva York!


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it would not effect Shiva as Shiva can neutralize all poisons

Although somewhat comical, your attribution of siddhi-poison, or poison-siddhi, is misplaced. I actually posess an enhanced sensitivity to almost all medicines, strange and medical. Like most folks in my age range, I have a lot of Rxs to deal with, twice a day. In general, I take only a half, or a quarter, of each prescribed amount ... these "under" amounts are sufficient to keep the lab tests in the normal range.

My primary doc is happy about this, but these damn lab tests keep coming up with new deviations - so more Rxs are written, and then I have to do my own trial & error studies to see how low I can go.

Now, getting back to your physio-pharmacological description, I note that you emphasize gravity, cartoons, and etheric/astral visions. These are rather low on the totem pole. Regardless of how "powerful" it was, I do not see any reports of Liberation, Stopping the Mind, or other "high level" stuff.

You are free to submit your account(s) of samadhi, aliens, or Liberation (from the mind) before the Tribunal decides your fate. If you think you need an attorney, ask Ignant. He doesn't practice law now, but he might give some informal advice.

 


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So not actual bath salts then?

I will probably have very little to offer to this conversation but I do recall when this story hit the news:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_cannibal_attack

 

Whatever these “bath salts” were, I failed to see an appeal. Forever.

 

Similarly, when I began reading Burroughs, who I regard highly, my impression of Heroin was as it is now. Something to flee from and never get entangled with. I think some people have been beguiled by a sort of “Romance of the Junkie.” I got the exact opposite impression from Burroughs. Nor did his writing seem to convey anything different. The recurring theme of “Junk” (for myself as a reader) was frequently related to elaborate (and real) control dynamics in society. Burroughs seemed to be a visionary, iconoclast and pioneer of consciousness exploration despite (and not because of) his heroin addiction. Just as Van Gogh gave us his glorious visions despite (and not because of) his manic depression. Yes, the “sickness” is part of the work(s) but it is not the CAUSE.

 

Anyone who took away from a reading of Naked Lunch that smack was a cool thing to do was, in my estimate, a fool.

 

RAW outlined the use of lots of drugs in terms of the Circuits and States of Consciousness moving toward “The Final Secret of the Illuminati.” His account of things I found intriguing (just as I did with Castaneda and others-the drugs were part of an exotic Shamanic voyage into the Magical Universe). Most of the major players in the world of Magic, Shamanism, the Occult etc seemed to favor marijuana or psychedelics such as LSD, Mushrooms etc. There doesn't seem to be a big body of literature attesting to the value of crack.

 

But even Castaneda would hint that peyote was a help for those who were handicapped (see Tales of Power). I think Regardie had a similar comment. Crowley wrote of resisting a to-hand chemical enhancement (I believe it was Hashish) that would “kick him over” in John St. John, preferring to work out his progress (in THAT exemplary instant) on his own.

 

I'm not putting forth any particular view here. Mostly I was wanting to share my horror at the face-eating “bath salt” story (as Dom brought it up). I think our Magical Voyage and Spiritual Path is one with a vast history of “handicaps.” We discover what saves us time, gets us there quicker and we move on from that point. If I am not mistaken, this is Shiva's view.


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preferring to work out his progress (in THAT exemplary instant) on his own.

Do I remember reading in St john that he went to see the chemist about some mescaline?

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We discover what saves us time, gets us there quicker and we move on from that point. If I am not mistaken, this is Shiva's view.

Sounds good to me. I have always put it forward as a "Preview of Coming Attractions" - this preview concept was born out of seeing that folks tended to associate their "grade" (self-assigned) with some experience on an acid trip. The experience was valid, but only as an observer of what is possible. The grade part has to be earned in the ditches of daily life.

By having an (any) experience under libation does, however, indicate one's potential grade level. I say this with the knowledge of people who cannot "get out" even with biochemical assistance. I also have known people who can "get out" with said assistance, but only in the presence of an advanced initie; if they take it by themselves, they can't "get out."

See Book 333 - Ch 23.


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Yes part  of your Shiva like capabllities regarding neutralizing poisons, and thus preserving your sensitivities and intellectual faculties of discrimination comes from not falsely labelling, to which I commend you for properly noting the qualities of my descriptions.... Note though that I did not make any reference to liberation, aliens or the like as regards the chimeras brought forth by the noted substances...

...and thus as regards lawyers I can tell that Mr. Ignant666 Esq. has obvious talents of mind required for such fights or flights into bizarre mental worlds akin to magic and requiring all sorts of spells relevant to proceeding or banishment, in a realm where there are great rewards at $450 per hour, or even at $200/hr, why the moral courage and obliteration afforded the profession's not so mythical afternoon martini, can properly assuage corporate clients seeking a pirate to do the job....

Now how many surfaces was that cavity really? 

And is not one of the morals of the story as regards drugs  found in the bumber sticker that said with the emblem of a pot leaf,  "its legal, I quit" which with the states getting in on the legal dope game, more and more, notice the booze stores open during the plandemic as proper indication that Huxley's social experiments proceed...


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I don't know about the technical aspects, but Oregon, and (lesssly in) Washington State, produced a bumper crop every time it rains (in the proper season). "Just look for a cow pasture the day after it rains; they are everywhere," I was told (in Oregon, by Oregoners).

The Seattle/Tacoma Washington region are home of what are known as the True Blues, which are authenticated by turning blue when bruised, and appear without warning on lawns throughout the region. The True Blues are resilient, and apparently cannot be eradicated once established, much to the distress of local homeowners. Amateur mycologists routinely cruise the neighborhoods in anticipation of sudden manifestations, and when spotted are harvested by one more persons while a wheel man sits behind the steering wheel with the engine running, to help his associates make a great escape before the police arrive.

 


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what are known as the True Blues

Do you happen to know the Latin/Scientific name of these Blues? Are they the psilocybin type?

 


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what are known as the True Blues

Do you happen to know the Latin/Scientific name of these Blues? Are they the psilocybin type?

 

Any mushroom that turns blue when bruised is loaded with psilocybin, it's the universal test.

There is a blue edible mushroom also called true blue, but I suspect travelers of time & space appropriated the name for obvious reasons.

 

 


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Any mushroom that turns blue when bruised is loaded with psilocybin, it's the universal test.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE!!!!

Any mushroom with GILLS AND NOT PORES that bruises blue, and has brown or purple spores (lay a cap on paper overnight to collect spores) is very likely to be psychoactive.

BUT there are very nasty Boletus species that bruise blue, and will make you very sick/dead. All Boletus species have PORES not gills on the bottom of the cap. There are edible Boletuses, but my mom taught me to give all non-gilled wild mushrooms a wide berth. None will get you elevated, mom was teaching me to gather food.

So you want to see 1) GILLS 2) blue bruising 3) brown or purple spores before reaching conclusions.

Please note that this information is provided only for persons in places like Oregon, Washington DC, Jamaica, and Brazil where eating Psilocybe or other "magic" species is legal.


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I realized i maligned mom inadvertently- "my mom taught me to give all non-gilled wild mushrooms besides morels and puffballs a wide berth" is actually correct. Or "my mom taught me to give all non-gilled wild mushrooms with caps a wide berth", which is another way of saying the same thing.

In fact, morels and puffballs (in that order) were the first two species she taught me to identify, and we ate a lot of both growing up. Neither one has gills, but neither one has a cap either.


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And the morel of the story is that your appreciation of your mom is appreciated, with cause, as a good for your mom in so teaching you! Thanks

 


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Any mushroom that turns blue when bruised is loaded with psilocybin, it's the universal test.

I didn't know that. Thank you.

I would put it to use, but we don't have many mushrooms in New Mexico. Even the nearest peyote fields (essentially the only natural ones in the world) are about 900 miles away, down in Texas. I had my "next" adventure sized up for that journey, but after I measured the miles against my age and gave it up.

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THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE!!!!

Now you've done it, Heru. I will now have to study both viewpoints, eager to choose neither, not as a mystical-mental endeavor, but merely because I will probably never come across such mushrooms.

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Any mushroom with GILLS AND NOT PORES that bruises blue, and has brown or purple spores (lay a cap on paper overnight to collect spores) is very likely to be psychoactive.

I see. It's the little details that matter.

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lease note that this information is provided only for persons in places like Oregon, Washington DC, Jamaica, and Brazil where eating Psilocybe or other "magic" species is legal.

The list of forbidden fruit is pretty long. Please allow me to chant one of my favorite mantras ...

The establishment does not want its citizens to explore other dimension
and will do anything to prevent such antisocial acts.

 


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Any mushroom that turns blue when bruised is loaded with psilocybin, it's the universal test.

Categorically not true, I can think of half a dozen species that bruise blue which will absolutely ruin your gastric tract if you consume them. The only surefire way to identify a fungi accurately is by spore print, assuming (as is most likely) you don't have the tools to check it at the DNA level.

At least we know who to never go mushroom picking with now...


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Has anyone done something like the follwing 'legal herb highs?; 

 

I googled 'legal high UK' and e.g. found this 'incense'?; 

 

Erbz cherry pie haze MAX - 50% CBD herb (iceheadshop.co.uk)

 

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Once you get this beauty, the aroma of cherry pie will give you that tingling feeling and when you smell that sweet red you’ll be suitably satisfied. Mouth drooling just at the thought? Well, get this pack and see how her cherry goodness activates your senses!

    • Epic Cherry Diesel Terpenes taste
    • 450mg CBD per gram
    • 50mg CBG per Gram
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    • Marshmallow Leaf
    • 100% UK legal

Contains: Cannabidiol & Cannabigerol
50% Cannabinoids / 0.0005% THC
48% Althaea officinalis & 2% Flavourings.  Below 5ppm THC

 

..and this herb;

 

Holy Grail Kush - True Cannabis Proprietary Blend (iceheadshop.co.uk)

 

 

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Posted by:

 

preferring to work out his progress (in THAT exemplary instant) on his own.

Do I remember reading in St john that he went to see the chemist about some mescaline?

The passage I had in mind from John St John was:

 

“Dinner over, I return to Mantra-Yoga. One may note that I expected the wine to have an excessive effect on me; on the contrary, it has much less effect than usual. This is rather important. I have purposely abstained from anything that might be called a drug, until now, for fear of confusing the effects. With my knowledge of hashish-effects, I could very likely have broken up the Apophis-kingdom of yesterday in a moment, and the truth of it would have been 5 per cent drug and 95 per cent magic; but nobody would have believed me.”

 

Later on, he writes:

 

“There are only two more idiocies to perform-one, to take a big dose of Hashish and record the ravings as if they were Samhadhi; and two, to go to church. I may as well give up.”


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45% CBD - 5% CBG INFUSED LEAF - CHERRY PIE HAZE TERPENES FLAVOURED

CBD is Cannibinol (Oil of Cannabis), but the THC has been sorted out, so there's no real "Grass" or "Hash" high (into the 5th circuit. The CBD claims to make you feel great. It will reduce pain, and thus relieve subconscious aches, and it helps one to sleep. But any "high" (5th circuit) is missing.

We (the USA) went through a massive CBD wave as legal vendors popped up, even out here in the remote wasteland.

We also tested it. My wife says she goes right to sleep (after two short hits of legal medicat hash oil - which recombines the original full chemistry, more or less).

I didn't find it to be useful. Save your money. It's over-rated and over-hyped.

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<0.1% THC

There's the proof. THC is the "mescaline" of the hemp family. (Mescaline is merely the one - out of 20 - alkaloids in peyote). Save your money.

 

 


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My dogs respond well to the CBD- when they are being too hyper, it calms them down. For humans, not so useful, and zero liberatory/libatory effects.

Most "legal highs" either don't work, or else have such unpleasant effects that you wish they hadn't worked.


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My dogs respond well to the CBD- when they are being too hyper, it calms them down. For humans, not so useful, and zero liberatory/libatory effects.

We bought an excrement-load of CBD (nano stuuf - very effective) specifically for one dog who is getting very aged. It seemed to help his gait, but who knows ... he gets better relief from all symptoms with Prednisilone (strong, steroidal stuff).

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Most "legal highs" either don't work, or else have such unpleasant effects that you wish they hadn't worked.

The gov has identified virtually all the substances that allow people to visit alternate realities or other dimensions. The gov does not appreciate abstract thinking. They have this list where they name all the sacred tonics. If they catch you with them (any of the names), they will complicate your life, your financial situation, and possibly your place of abode.

A person's only choice is to get a medical cannabis permit (a doctor is usually required) or join the current federally-approved Ecstasy program as a participating guinea pig.

The so-called legal highs all fall under the category of "false advertising."

 


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A person's only choice is to get a medical cannabis permit (a doctor is usually required) or join the current federally-approved Ecstasy program as a participating guinea pig.

Or one could travel to places with civilized laws like Brazil, Jamaica, Oregon, and Washington DC, where psilocybin mushrooms are legal to buy and consume, or the Netherlands where psilocybin "truffles" are legal. New Jersey just decriminalized mushrooms when they legalized cannabis last month, and looks likely to legalize them soon.

Or, if one were seeking legal cannabis, one could travel to Canada, Uruguay, South Africa, Netherlands or Spain, or the US states of Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Illinois, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, Oregon, Vermont, Washington (the state), or the city of Washington DC, all of which have legalized cannabis for adult non-medical use. New York will almost certainly be legalizing this year.

One might, of course, already be in one of those places, depending on where one was.


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Or one could travel to places with civilized laws like Brazil, Jamaica, Oregon, and Washington DC, where psilocybin mushrooms are legal to buy and consume, or the Netherlands where psilocybin "truffles" are legal. New Jersey just decriminalized mushrooms when they legalized cannabis last month, and looks likely to legalize them soon.

Well, yes, there is actual proof that the egg is cracking.

 


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Legal highs i guess they're a clever con.  Imagine someone inhaling and holding their breath to get the smoke down for about  10 seconds successively, any mild "high" would be from the pranayama. 

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Legal highs i guess they're a clever con.

Ten years ago (or so) one could get the strongest legal stuff, legally. Now that loophole has been plugged. I tried a variety pack of various herbs (smoked). They each had a different sensation, so its not just pranayama. NONE of them were psychedelic. Each produced a tingle or a fuzz or a strain, but nothing was remotely similar to cannabis. The herbal con.

 


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Legal highs i guess they're a clever con.

I believe "bath salts" were sold at gas stations.

I was once in the emergency room and a screaming person was brought in. I overheard the docs referring to him in language I later learned meant he had taken synthetic marijuana and had a bad experience.

It has also been my observation that the popularity of CBD this and that is due to the legal availability of the verboten plant. There is a mystique and clever folks have made a lot of cash off this alone.

We might also observe that while marijuana is illegal in many places, alcohol is not. Nor are prescription meds including highly addictive opioids. The hypocrisy is beyond glaring but it's all about the money-and who is receiving it. 

Well, according to Tim Leary, there is a little more to it than that. Alcohol, tobacco and caffeine work well with certain societal constructs meant to benefit the few at the expense of the many. Other substances, not so much.

Soon, we find the correct drugs joining neuro-linguistic superstructures intended to maintain maximum productivity of the "human capital stock" (what every boy and girl dreamed of growing up to be). 

 

 


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