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Shiva
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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

to not feed the troll.

 

But it's impossible to enforce a negative (except after the commission of the crime).

 


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@the_real_simon_iff

Bored might be the word you are looking for

now heres a laced cracker polly to help one stare at clouds or what not 

Maybe 777 can assist in classifying your descriptions and weeding out projections

now be a good detective and start sniffing

AC warned us about drowsy drugs and the like


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@hadgigegenraum Bored it is, you are right. Seen so many of you. REALLY bored it is. So it's better like this:

Man has the right to not feed the troll.

 


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Well there we go we agree!


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@hadgigegenraum So let me say goodbye right here before I don't get the chance, troll!

 


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Which shot are you lined up for, one of Baal Gates's MRNA operating systems or Johnson & Johnson's aborted baby concoction?

 

 

Why are  you afraid the Covid vaccine?  C'mon, Crowley said, "Live dangerously" so just say yes, get the jab lol.

What are you, a medieval peasant? 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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@shiva

 

I did um...some semi opiatic legal herb once here in the States and it felt okay until I started shaking and could barely fill out a form at the post office. 

I forget the name though. . . oh kratom I think. 

I think it has since been illegalised but don't care enough to check. 


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@the_real_simon_iff

 

He's never been a troll , he writes some interesting 'stream of consciousness' poetry from time to time. I just think that he is a bit crazy or high a lot. 

Oh this is random, thanks again for that book a couple years ago. Hope you are well. 

 

@ignant666 may be able to back him up. If he wishes .


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@hadgigegenraum sometimes has some grudge with me, due to him disliking leftists (which i am), NYers (which i am also), lawyers (which i was 30 years ago), and those who say cannibalism is just plain wrong (count me in here too).

He is like a far right-wing, Fow watching version of Tiger, with less of a hair-trigger-finger on the return button, so his (our Vermont Comrade's) beatnik poetry looks like prose.


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@christibrany

No need to be a full time troll to be called out being one when on the one side invoking OZ for his right to not get vaccinated (which he of course has) but on the other hand answering different views with "Which shot are you lined up for, one of Baal Gates's MRNA operating systems or Johnson & Johnson's aborted baby concoction?"

That's trolling in my book. He might also contribute other non-trolling stuff.

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far right-wing, Fow watching version of Tiger,

was supposed to be "Fox watching". This is what happens when you are old, and rely on the squiggly lines to show the typos. WTf is "Fow"- wait, now it gets the squiggle.

I give up. Not the result of strange drugs, but rather exhaustion from riding the bicycle on sea-of-mud trails all afternoon.

 


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@ignant666

Well put . I burst a gasket laughing.
I must go to the mechanic. 

 

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Which shot are you lined up for, one of Baal Gates's MRNA operating systems or Johnson & Johnson's aborted baby concoction?"

That is pretty silly. Even If I am not comfortable taking them I wouldn't phrase it that way.

 

Its like saying underwear are 'testicle torture restricting devices of the Devil' 


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Posted by: @christibrany

that is pretty silly. Even If I am not comfortable taking them I wouldn't phrase it that way.

Nobody would phrase it that way except someone who won't discuss the matter seriously or intends to stir up discord (a troll). Implying that others are just too stupid and brainwashed to see through the whole "corona and vaccine hoax" pretty much ends any serious debate. At the end of the day others might invoke OZ because their rights are thwarted by guys like these. Rethinking this, OZ nearly always ends any discussions. That's why I would advise to not feed the troll. Maybe it's better to move the discussion back to libations and whatever this thread was about. Just my two cents.

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Posted by: @christibrany

oh kratom I think.

Yes. I have a kilo each of red, green, and white kratom in my pharmacy. It is legal. It is like opium. You have to know how much to take, and in what form. Brewed like coffee from powdered leaves is useful. Swallowing a gob of extracted resin could be foolish unless you know the dosage of the gob and the recommmended dosage. The extracts, in gob form, or chunks, can be terribly potent.

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wait, now it gets the squiggle.

This is my main complaint with the current technology being forced upon us. In a forum, it's no big deal (usually), but in financial tranactions it can be a problem. The system is exact. Electricity is a fact. So why isn't the system perfect ... all the time?

 


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Getting my Baal Gates MRNA operating system shot on Sunday!

Woo-hoo! Now i will be a helpless pawn, purchasing Microsoft products left and right!

Would have been perfectly happy with the aborted baby concoction, but we must take what we are offered in these pandemic times. I actually thought i was signing up for the aborted baby concoction since i am getting jabbed at a pharmacy and i thought that was all they had, but i have 2 appointments so the Baal Gates MRNA operating system is getting installed.

As to kratom: an ex-dopefiend pal almost passed out on my sofa after a large cup of kratom tea the last time i had visitors, his wife was not well pleased. Fortunately she has learned to "use her words" instead of just punching folks in the face which she used to to be prone to. Based on this limited sample, potent stuff. Not for me as i abhor opiates/narcotics, always have. One reason i am not dead like most of my old friends.


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@ignant666

Well put . I burst a gasket laughing.
I must go to the mechanic. 

 

 

Chris what type of building work do you do bro'?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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For those who insist on doing what they want, like getting experimental drug concoctions, then fine, but was such a choice really yours or actually some other factors at play? 

As the OP concerns issues concerning 'drug use', it is probably proper to understand that the use of wine and strange drugs are as adjuncts of worship and hence that is the context by which, the harm of drugs, acknowledged in the scripture, Liber L vel Legis  II, 21 is mitigated.

One of the harms of drugs, particularly marijuana, are various levels of paranoia....

At a time where Free Speech is being attacked and the term 'Conspiracy Theorist" becomes one of the defensive label of choice, it is amusing, but actually rather pathetic, to see the types of hallucinations bubbling up in these threads.

As regards those seeking to slander me, repeatedly, beyond what is normal banter, I will mention the fact that as someone who has supported the campaigns of Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney hardly qualifies me as fitting some categories advanced by various paranoid slurs that seem to suggest that toxic liver syndrome, and upon other organs, where a hardening and scarification of tissues corresponds to thinking patterns suggestive of the same, and apparently requiring prescriptions to allow the mind habitually to tell itself that things are fine...

I will note that a young friend enthused to get the Moderna Vax such that he could see his father in the nursing home for the first time in a year, did well on the first shot and got very sick on the second, recovered, but did he really...some have not!

 


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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

One of the harms of drugs, particularly marijuana, are various levels of paranoia....

I have not known this to be true. Why are you plotting against me?

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

the types of hallucinations bubbling up in these threads.

Not only here, but I see it in the daily news ... daily.

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As regards those seeking to slander me, repeatedly, beyond what is normal banter ...

It is because you are plotting against them, trying to make them see the hallucination of evil controllers breathing together.

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a hardening and scarification of tissues

In street-level metaphysivs, this is known as crystallization. Think of Lot's wife.

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allow the mind habitually to tell itself that things are fine...

I have heard this before in relation to cannabis. A long time ago. Not wanting to be fooled, I set out on an observation platform, watching things ... for over 40 years now. I have never found it to render reality into a "fine" state. The "not so fine" stuff was, and is, right there and easily available for viewing or dhyana (indulging).

Now, some of those other Rxs might make things "fine." The -azepams (the Valium family of happy people), the opium and opioid category, and the go-faster division of speeding (coca and other stimulants) are particularly prone to allow one to enter the middle road of perception wherein things are not only "fine," but "happy." This is what most people want: Not insight, not (full) liberation, just "to be happy." Unfortunately, the catalysts only work for a short time, and so the individual is faced with the critical decision ... to take it again, or not. Just say "Yes" or "No." Addictive drugs push one's bias towards re-taking.

Now, if we want to potentially induce full-scale, terror-filled paranoia, we may invoke the truly "strange" substances. Paranoia is not guaranteed, but forever stands by, ready for service if needed. It was my great fortune to encounter and overcome this dreaded mental disorder right at the beginning of my legal chemical adventures. I will now reveal the cause of paranoia ...

Ego
Sense of Importance

Yes. We all know that if they are really after you, then it's not paranoia.

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got very sick on the second, recovered, but did he really...some have not!

I hear directly (from you and other people) about this reaction after the 2nd thrust, but nowhere on mainstream media is it reported. Alternative media is crying out about nano particles, nano electronics, virus duplication, and reptilian dna implantation. They also offer home videos of people convulsing. ALL this stuff can be "made up," just like the religious stories, and it's difficult to "believe" either side.

 


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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

One of the harms of drugs, particularly marijuana, are various levels of paranoia....

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experimental drug concoctions

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did well on the first shot and got very sick on the second, recovered, but did he really...some have not!

Some possible pot/kettle issues here re paranoia?

The potheads here are not the ones manifesting truly nutty levels of paranoia about well-tested vaccines, taken by many millions worldwide with no bad effects. Getting some flu-like symptoms is an expected side effect of vaccines, and means they are working.

When you adopt positions far to the right of the Vatican on abortion, you can expect to be called nuts. When you publicly claim a vaccine involves a biological "operating system", you can expect to be called nuts.

You keep posting ridiculous things drawn from far-right propaganda; this leads some to conclude that you are a consumer of far-right propaganda sources like Fox.

It is also a pretty curious way to defend your self against claims of being a right-wing nut that you supported two Democrats who are notorious for being nuts (and who are no longer office-holders because they were too nuts for voters). Eg:

Cynthia Ann McKinney (born March 17, 1955) is an American politician, activist, and conspiracy theorist who is an assistant professor at North South University, Bangladesh. [first sentence of her wikipedia bio; emphasis added]

Now that you won't have to quarantine for two weeks on arrival, why don't you come visit NYC, or some of the other places that have been devastated by the virus? You might get a different perspective than you have gotten so far, living in a state with one of the lowest levels of COVID death and suffering, and watching Fox 24/7.

Cannot wait to get my first shot of the MRNA operating system tomorrow!

 


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Posted by: @ignant666

Bangladesh.

Huh!  I never wanted to go there. I wonder what one has to do to get the best employment opportunity in Bangle-desh.

 


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From BBC ...

"A powerful hallucinogenic drug known for its part in shamanic rituals is being trialled as a potential cure for depression for the first time.

Participants will be given the drug DMT, followed by talking therapy.

It is hoped this could offer an alternative for the significant number of people who don't respond to conventional pills for depression."

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56373202

Let's see if we get this whole thing right: When LSD goes inside, the body converts it to DMT. DMT is now being used legally (I'm sure it's only "experimental"). But it's precursor, LSD, is illegal all over the place (even for "experiments"). Did I get that right?

 


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Let's see if we get this whole thing right: When LSD goes inside, the body converts it to DMT. DMT is now being used legally (I'm sure it's only "experimental"). But it's precursor, LSD, is illegal all over the place (even for "experiments"). Did I get that right?

I have only used DMT once under controlled circumstances with more experienced friends who did not partake preparing the experience. The experience was powerful and brief and lasted only about 20 minutes and required no recovery time allowing me to return to normal conversation quickly. I would think this would be a better tool for research for this reason and also because LSD has a bad rep from all those years Timothy Leary was using it to scare the establishment.

Tim Ferris (author of Four Hour Workweek) is a huge proponent of this type of research and has spent millions funding it. He has a very recent blog post about the patent and profit industry seeking to corner the market in anticipation of some degree of legalization:

https://tim.blog/2021/03/05/some-thoughts-on-for-profit-psychedelic-startups-and-companies/

 


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I think there may be some LSD research going on now.

The Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies has led the revival of psychedelic research that has taken place in the last 20 years after a long period (since the mid-'60s) of nothing much happening in the US:

https://maps.org/

Johns Hopkins did the first US human subjects studies since the '60s starting in 2000, and now has a pretty robust shop in this area with 5 faculty, 5 post-doctoral researchers, and a large staff, the Center for Psychedelic and Consciousness Research (since getting funded as a "Center" in 2019 ("Center" grants don't fund a specific study, but rather support a bunch of already-funded studies at an institution)). Their work is pretty much all psilocybin-based AFAIK:

https://hopkinspsychedelic.org/

It is still very difficult in the US to get funding, and permission (meaning access to drugs), to do human subjects psychedelics research. The main Federal agency that funds and supervises this stuff, the National Institute on Drug Abuse, is only supposed to do research that demonstrates the harms of currently-illegal substances, which obviously makes it hard to get work looking at benefits of such substances through the bureaucracy. One way we used to try to get around this when i was hustling for such funding was to pretend to be surprised when we discovered benefits while looking for harms.


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@ignant666

Thanks for the continued slander and falsehoods, but I guess that is what one gets from a person l who calls leaders  of the antiwar pro labor side of the Democratic Party nuts! 

BTW the only thing i have mentioned about the issue of abortion, which Aleister Crowley abhorred and as documented in the Hagiography, is that I am not game with that which has become an industry, the farming of biological materials, for profit,  to then be used in, without informed consent, as adjuncts to vaccines and experimental drugs pushed by Trump & O'Biden that you are so eager to get.

So I do not wish you ill will, but we know people who have died from the 'jab', so who knows you could go down like Marvin Hagler.....and why your ghost can then argue for eternity with the ghost of Jim Wasserman!

Bye Bye

 


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If you choose to post stupid wrong things over and over again, you can expect to get called out on them. This is not "continued slander and falsehoods".

No one who is not nuts would describe either McKinney or Kucinich as leaders of any faction of the Democratic Party. They are both washed-up ex-officeholders whom no one in the party takes seriously

McKinney last held elective office in 2006; Kucinich last held elective office in 2012. As noted above, McKinney is currently an Assistant Professor at a university in Bangladesh; if Kucinich is currently employed at all, wikipedia doesn't know about it. Maybe his gig commenting on Fox shows counts as a job? However, appearing on Fox is not exactly common among Democratic party leaders.

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[T]he only thing [you] have mentioned about the issue of abortion

is calling the Johnson and Johnson vaccine "Johnson & Johnson's aborted baby concoction".

This is 1) a position far to the right of the Vatican (which recommends getting vaccinated), and 2) is factually inaccurate, in that the J & J vaccine includes NO fetal tissue whatever.

The stem-cell lines used in developing the vaccine are 36 years removed from the abortion-derived cells that the original stem-cell lines were cloned from.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/abortion-opponents-protest-covid-19-vaccines-use-fetal-cells

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we know people who have died from the 'jab'

No, you don't. No one does; there have been zero deaths worldwide attributable to COVID vaccines. Why post stupid lies?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

On the other hand, 2,631,694 people worldwide have died from COVID-19, and 535,758 in the USA.

So far, my side effects from yesterday's Pfizer injection are a slight, very minor soreness at the injection site.


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Incidentally, if you want to get accurate information about COVID-19 and the vaccines that prevent it, you might try the website of your state's rather good health department (i've worked with Vermont Department of Health) instead of watching Fox all day:

Vaccine ingredients

Side effects


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Ignorant I guess Aleister Crowley was to the right of the Vatican then as he opposed abortion.

& Thanks for being the good government boy scout...of course the CDC does not want people to know about Vaccine Court and the billions paid out to victims.

The problem with Kucinich was he did not attack the warmongers in his own Democrat party hard enough by calling out the 9/11 false flag, but he is a good man.

 


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Note that on being challenged, you immediately retreat from your former lying claim to personally know "people who have died from the 'jab'"- why would anyone believe anything you say after that?

For all vaccinations done in the USA since 2006, the "Vaccine Court" has paid just over $2 billion dollars, at a rate of about 1.2 payments per million vaccinations, or a rate of serious adverse events from vaccinations of about 0.0002 per 200 vaccinated.

An average person infected with COVID-19 has about 1 chance in 200 of dying.

So, zero chance of death based on the zero COVID vaccine deaths so far from 92 million doses so far, and at most 0.0002 in 200 chances of some non-fatal serious adverse event, from the vaccination, versus 1 in 200 chance of death if infected, with many non-fatal cases involving many months of hospitalization and agonizing pain.

To me, 5000 [1/0.2000] times better odds sound good. Do what thou wilt.

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the 9/11 false flag

As a NYer who watched the towers burn from across the East River and lived through the terror of that day at first hand, and not watching it on TV hundreds of miles away, and as a non-lunatic, go anally intercourse yourself with a rusty farm implement with that ultra-right-wing false-flag bullshit.

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his own Democrat party

There is no US "Democrat Party". This is a term used only by far-right Fox personalities, and idiots who learn of the world from Fox. Using this Fox terminology is a certain shibboleth of a Fox-viewing, far-right imbecile.

The party of which i am a registered member is called The Democratic Party.

 


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There is even a whole wikipedia article about the propagandistic use by the US far right of the incorrect term "Democrat Party" to refer to the Democratic Party:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)


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and the billions paid out to victims.

You of course were in a hurry and will post the proof for that bullshit claim later, right?

Thanks

Love=Law

Lutz

P.S. On the other hand, a billion dollar lawsuit in the US is worth like nothing everywhere else in the world. Still, would like to see them (plural, as in victimS)


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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

I guess Aleister Crowley was to the right of the Vatican then as he opposed abortion.

No, he was just mouthing his opinion formed by the understandable issues he himself had with parenthood. Nothing in Thelema says anything re pro- or anti-abortion. Or as Magus Los once put it: "Obviously, from the perspective of Thelema, the mother’s Will is primary: if it’s her Will to abort the child, then she gets the final say."

So it might be better to show this straw man out, or even easier go bac to the multiple threads already existing about it, maybe you might learn something new like: AC's opinion ≠ Thelema

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You of course were in a hurry and will post the proof for that bullshit claim later, right?

This claim is actually truthful (for once); the billions (four of them) represent all payments in all vaccine cases. Many cases settle to avid litigation costs even when the actual claim is unprovable.


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@the_real_simon_iff

If you read the exchange, then you might realize that the comment you cherry picked had nothing to do with AC's opinions regarding abortion relative to the Catholic Church, but Ignants false classification of my comments.

Yes AC's opinions are not equal to Thelema, and both of us might have differences of opinion regarding AC's thoughts regarding children, but if I remember reading correctly he was quite devastated by the death of his children.

Yes I am sure there are threads upon threads upon this, since AC is the Prophet of the Aeon of the Child...

 


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@ignant666 @hadgigegenraum

Okidoki, then, I stand corrected.


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There is even a whole wikipedia article about the propagandistic use by the US far right of the incorrect term "Democrat Party" to refer to the Democratic Party:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)

 

Is it relevant whether they use the term 'Democrat' party even though everyone knows what they mean? 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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The refusal to use the correct name of the party is a Republican move of calculated deliberate disrespect for a generation now, and an effort to avoid admitting that the Democratic Party is more pro-democracy than they are.


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@the_real_simon_iff

Very much appreciated Thanks!


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The refusal to use the correct name of the party is a Republican move of calculated deliberate disrespect for a generation now, and an effort to avoid admitting that the Democratic Party is more pro-democracy than they are.

 

But a 'democrat' is clearly pro-'democratic'...anyway. 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Mr. Crowley certainly had interesting things to say as regards the issue of 'Democracy'...which could interweave into this present OP discussion....

Yes I stand corrected relative to the name of that registered political entity that calls itself the "Democratic" party, as opposed to my use of 'Democrat' which was not about someone's paranoid fantasies about me, to which as with the case of Vermont's Senator Sanders's bids for nomination, democracy was jettisoned in favor of the DNC (Democratic National Committee) which runs the party.

BTW what happened to Bernie was a betrayal of democratic rights and a significant factor in working class voters choosing Trump over Hillary Clinton. (which is not an endorsement of Trump, but fact)

 

 

 

 


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What on earth does the fact that Bernie Sanders lost badly in the 2016 (and 2020) primaries have to do with anything under discussion here? BTW, i supported, and voted for him, in the primary in 2016, and in 2020, after my preferred candidate (Warren) dropped out.

The nomination goes to the person who wins the most primary votes; Bernie didn't. Hillary in 2016, and then Joe in 2020, did. Trump provided new evidence that all you need to know about American elections is "Hold your nose and vote for the Democrat".

Now could we perhaps return to discussing something that is not politics/conspiracy theories? We have had many threads discussing AC's foolish, incoherent, and contradictory views on politics; this is not one of them. As i often do when the topic of AC and politics comes up, i urge reading Pasi's superb Aleister Crowley and the temptation of politics.


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@ignant666 

There is a catalogue of posts of yours having nothing to do with the thread at hand....yes I brought up the issue back to Monsieur Crowley


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