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Shiva
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

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WhewThat was exhausting ...

 


   
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Posted by: @threefold31  There's a whole separate argument about whether AC ever actually uttered a Word of the Aeon. Thelema is the Word of the Law, but it seems as if he also settled on it being his Word, since he struggled to come up with one (AC scholars will know which diary this occurs in).

He did lean toward Abrahadabra at some point, but a better claimant is MAKHASHANAH, which is specified as the Word of the Aeon in Liber 418.

I've always been intrigued by this one, and wish he'd addressed it more.  I do think it's barbarous, too. 

Abrahadabra is the Word, Thelema is the Word of the Law. Crowley fills the part of having the Word, Law, and Book. 

But whatever Word of lack thereof that AC settled on, of course no word is *itself* Creative. We are the creators. I think the quote from One Star In Sight points toward the idea that the Magus uses the Word to create the worlds, as noted in Liber B vel Magi. So the word is 'creative' in that it recognizes the necessity of Creation in its application by the Adept.

Words have no value unless applied by those who they resonate with. 

 

 1. In the beginning doth the Magus speak Truth, and send forth Illusion and Falsehood to enslave the soul. Yet therein is the Mystery of Redemption.

Language only represents reality symbolically.  The finger pointing at the moon as Shiva might say. The Mysteries are mysteries because they have to be experienced, they can't be conveyed by language. 

 

So, the Magus not only utters a Word, he is that Word. This seems akin to the Logos.

 The Word is the Magus's teaching condensed, itself a manifestation of the Magus's Will.  At least according to my current understanding. 


   
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Posted by: @katrice

The finger pointing at the moon as Shiva might say.

Oh, that's a Bruce Lee quip. I've only borrowed it a couple times.

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The Mysteries are mysteries because they have to be experienced, they can't be conveyed by language. 

A great one-liner that tells the truth, but the acolytes can't understand it because they want answers, dammit!  They also insist that their linear mind can comprehend it ... when anybody insists on this, it's a sign that the line-mind is loose and rumbling again.

 


   
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Posted by: @shiva

Oh, that's a Bruce Lee quip. I've only borrowed it a couple times. 

 

Bruce Lee is great.  I love The Tao of Jeet Kune Do, but the quip predates him. I believe it comes from a Zen sutra. 

 

A great one-liner that tells the truth, 

Thank you.

but the acolytes can't understand it because they want answers, dammit!  They also insist that their linear mind can comprehend it ... when anybody insists on this, it's a sign that the line-mind is loose and rumbling again.

And a lot of people who claim to be higher in grade seem stuck at Practicus without realizing it, dismissing the transrational and mistaking it for the prerational because the don't understand that the linear mind has limits. 

 


   
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Posted by: @katrice

And a lot of people who claim to be higher in grade seem stuck at Practicus without realizing it

Oh, you noticed that, too? There's this loose concept running about - it says everybody has an indefeasible right to the first 3 degrees (birth, life, death).

The 4th is by engraved invitation only. Yes, this is an OTO take on things, but OTO is just a little reflection of A.'.A.'., which is a made-up name for that invisible no-name Order.

The holographic reflection exists in all manifestations of the ladderway to heaven, and they all have this thing where the first 3 steps are (relatively) easy, but the 4th (the world after death) seems very hard to attain.

The world after death is gained by stopping the mind (see Atu XVI - Towering Tower gets the blast ...

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This little scary path, with the lightning flash and the falling down, is the KEY TO FAILURE - when the aspirant fails to get properly blasted. And, as you note, they don;t even realized that they missed it (before claiming 4=7 and moving on toward greater egomania.

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the[y] don't understand that the linear mind has limits. 

What you describe (transrational) is pretty much The Abyss Dilemma. This "getting stuck at Hod" syndrome is a similar thing, but it gets played out just the Earth side of Paroketh. The task is to "stop thought." But in this case, it's not so much the annihilation of ego/linear-mind, but simply the graceful act of getting one's left-brain and right-brain connected (so they can dance together).

However, this crossing over into the other side of one's brain, especially the first time, is a journey through the corpus callosum (a midline brain component, which anybody can look up). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_callosum

This is all one of the most misunderstood aspects of the Path, and it directly contributes to "Most failures on the Path take place at Netzach." I have discovered that is reall is the approach to Netzach that slays the candidate.

 

 

 


   
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Posted by: @shiva
Oh, you noticed that, too?  

Yes,yes I have. 

 

There's this loose concept running about - it says everybody has an indefeasible right to the first 3 degrees (birth, life, death).

I do know of that,yes. 🙂 

 

This little scary path, with the lightning flash and the falling down, is the KEY TO FAILURE - when the aspirant fails to get properly blasted. And, as you note, they don;t even realized that they missed it (before claiming 4=7 and moving on toward greater egomania.

It's much more common than it should be, which makes no sense to me. 

 

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the[y] don't understand that the linear mind has limits. 

Thank you for fixing my typo.

What you describe (transrational) is pretty much The Abyss Dilemma. This "getting stuck at Hod" syndrome is a similar thing, but it gets played out just the Earth side of Paroketh. The task is to "stop thought." But in this case, it's not so much the annihilation of ego/linear-mind, but simply the graceful act of getting one's left-brain and right-brain connected (so they can dance together).

Meditation is an essential practice. It's in the De Cultu regimen, which is minimum daily practice. Anyone pursuing this should understand.

 

And should understand why Understanding is higher than Knowledge

 

And should understand the difference between the prerational and the transrational

  

  corpus callosum (a midline brain component, which anybody can look up). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_callosum

I do know some anatomy. 

 

This is all one of the most misunderstood aspects of the Path, and it directly contributes to "Most failures on the Path take place at Netzach." I have discovered that is reall is the approach to Netzach that slays the candidate. 

I had not thought of it in those terms but it makes perfect sense.

 

 


   
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Posted by: @katrice

It's much more common than it should be, which makes no sense to me.

The comples of Tower-Hetzach-Paroketh-Shadow (Dweller) is part of the archetypal process. It is built-in to the vehicle's structure. The energy field associated with Netzach is call the paracanscious aura. "Para" means next to.

Thous shalt not go out into the (unconscious) "next to" consciousness zone without getting your brain zapped ... because you're moving into the "other side" of your brain.

I will now declare, without putting it into an Appendix in a future book, that the KEY to failure lies in not doing the work properly or enough. Perhaps the dharana (Atu XVII) s not steady enough. If it is steady, there is a flash of light (Atu XVI). I think a lot of people read a lot, maybe do some practices, probably not for hours and hours, ut they get or claim a 4=7. Ask them about pratayhara (one cannot go "para" while engaged in sensory activity) and the flash of light. A real Philosophus should know all about these things.

Anyway, it makes perfect sense when we realize that the Veils are real. The big ones are the astral veil (getting out at the bargain basement), the corpus callosum (that seems to have no occult veil name, although an empowerment system callsit the "second veil"), Paroketh, the Abyss, and the Planetary Ring-Pass-Not.

Ring-Pass-Not, a theosophical term, is sort of a magical circle/sphere, but a circle gets cleared from the middle - a Pass-Not is the same thing but it keeps one inside (for their sanity), until one finds the exit portal. The Veils are real. Of course, some folks may think they are further along than they actually are. Bring them unto me for one night in the desert and we'll see what they can do.


   
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Posted by: @shiva

. The energy field associated with Netzach is call the paracanscious aura. "Para" means next to

I am aware of this. 😀 

the KEY to failure lies in not doing the work properly or enough. Perhaps the dharana (Atu XVII) s not steady enough. If it is steady, there is a flash of light (Atu XVI). I think a lot of people read a lot, maybe do some practices, probably not for hours and hours, ut they get or claim a 4=7

That does seem to be the case. So many people just do not do the work, which makes me question why they're involved in the first place. You can't gain the benefits of following a system just by claiming that you follow it.

 

OK with Thelema I know why a lot of people join.  To get laid and stoned in the name of religion. 

 

Not that I have a problem with either of those things unto themselves, and they both have uses in practice, just be honest about why you're doing it. 

 

Ask them about pratayhara (one cannot go "para" while engaged in sensory activity) 

And having it developed to the point where one can, for example, get piercings in areas that have a lot of nerve endings and not outwardly so much as flinch. 😉 

 

Ring-Pass-Not, a theosophical term, 

I am familiar with the term.  Certain aspects of being can't pass beyond certain points.  

 

Of course, some folks may think they are further along than they actually are.

This site being refreshing in its not being so infested.

 

Bring them unto me for one night in the desert and we'll see what they can do.

That should happen more.

 


   
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Posted by: @katrice

which makes me question why they're involved in the first place.

e-g-o

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That should happen more.

It used to happen on a regular basis
- groups large and small.
 
Today, don't send them -
age-related matters precede a great fall.

   
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Posted by: @shiva
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which makes me question why they're involved in the first place.

e-g-o

 

It's been my impression all along that Thelema requires actually doing the work.   Silly me. 


   
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Posted by: @katrice

Thelema requires actually doing the work.

Any and all systems, curricula, and stairways to heaven, if they are to be effective, require doing the work. Either one is on-board or they are pretending.

Oh, yes, I'm the Great Pretender
pretending I'm in the Binah Hotel
 
But, you see, it's not to be
I'm a fakir but no one can tell
 
Except those who do the work
they can tell

   
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Posted by: @shiva

Any and all systems, curricula, and stairways to heaven, if they are to be effective, require doing the work. Either one is on-board or they are pretending. 

You can't gain the benefits of a system just by saying you're affiliated with it.  Membership does not automatically convey benefits. 

It's not like it's a secret.  I never had any illusions that work was not required for results. 

 

But my introduction to Thelema came more from the A:.A:. end, rather than the OTO.  

Oh, yes, I'm the Great Pretender
pretending I'm in the Binah Hotel

When people troll and meme like teenagers on 4chan and then put 8=3 after their names, I have to question the authenticity. 

 


   
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