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christibrany
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05/04/2010 4:09 pm  

i posted this on another forum a while ago but no bites so i thought this forum is busier and so maybe someone could help me:

I was viewing photos on here and I came across the photograph of the Abbey of Thelema in the 1970s of Hermosa Beach California. See

I was curious, does anyone have any information on this place? How it got started, by whom, how long it lasted, any interesting things that happened ritually mystically or 'paranormally' etc?

As the history of the cefalu abbey is fascinating I'd imagine any parallel story of a new Abbey would be justly so.
Thanks in advance 🙂
If anyone was actually involved in said Abbey that would be even more amazing to hear from you.


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05/04/2010 5:58 pm  

Christibrany,

Do you know who originally claimed this photo is of "The Abbey of Thelema"? To my knowledge, no such place existed in Southern California in 1970. Agape Lodge was long shut down by then, and Grady didn't set up shop in California until 1974, and that was in Berkeley. It is possibly a building relating to the Solar Lodge, but even that seems unlikely as they were pretty much broken up by 1970.

93s,

Brendan


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05/04/2010 6:18 pm  

93 christibrany. I uploaded those photos to the gallery here, and I lived for a number years (late 60s early 70s) at the Hermosa Abbey and at the one preceding it in the Crenshaw district of Los Angeles. There is a book in preparation now dealing with this and a number of related subjects for which these locations served as real life laboratories researching applied Thelema in its many aspects, as opposed to the more common theoretical variety. I'd be happy to discuss it here, as well, but time may be short this week - it's income tax time here. Specific questions might be better places to start, rather than with a broader overview, considering the time constraints at present. Thanks for your interest, in any case.


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05/04/2010 6:38 pm  
"Brendan831" wrote:
Christibrany,

Do you know who originally claimed this photo is of "The Abbey of Thelema"? To my knowledge, no such place existed in Southern California in 1970. Agape Lodge was long shut down by then, and Grady didn't set up shop in California until 1974, and that was in Berkeley. It is possibly a building relating to the Solar Lodge, but even that seems unlikely as they were pretty much broken up by 1970.

93s,

Brendan

93 Brendan831. We actually did exist, to the best of my recollection, and some us still do to this day. 🙂 We did not claim to represent OTO, since we did not and, although there were peripheral relations with Grady, his principal concern was that we were not claiming to be that which we were not. There were some even less significant relations with individuals involved with the Solar Lodge.


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05/04/2010 11:21 pm  
"Camlion" wrote:
I lived for a number years (late 60s early 70s) at the Hermosa Abbey and at the one preceding it in the Crenshaw district of Los Angeles.

Sounds like a fascinating history. Can you state the years the Hermosa Abbey was in existence, the ppl involved, and the same for the prior one in the Crenshaw district?


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06/04/2010 4:06 pm  

DEAREST CHRISTIBRANY,

HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED PEOPLE USED NARCOTICS SAID SOME MOCK-PRAYERS AND RESPONSES AND WHEN THE DRUGS WERE GONE SO WERE THE PEOPLE. I COULD GUARANTEE THE EVENT WAS LESS FASCINATING THAN THE CEFALU ABBEY.

THE GREAT BEAST 333


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06/04/2010 4:11 pm  

Hello Patrick,
I take it that you were present at neither. Therefore your post would seem slightly unbalanced as a result.
Kind regards,


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06/04/2010 5:02 pm  
"tai" wrote:
"Camlion" wrote:
I lived for a number years (late 60s early 70s) at the Hermosa Abbey and at the one preceding it in the Crenshaw district of Los Angeles.

Sounds like a fascinating history. Can you state the years the Hermosa Abbey was in existence, the ppl involved, and the same for the prior one in the Crenshaw district?

Tai: The earlier Crenshaw Abbey, a very nice home but with only three bedrooms, maxed out at about eight residents - mostly hard-core occultists and mystics employing Crowlean technique. The Hermosa Abbey, a very spacious home (large formal common rooms, huge temple space below with separate street access, solarium library with ocean views, ornate gardens, etc.) with eight bedrooms, plus an apartment building across the road where units were acquired as they came available as a residential annex, maxed at about three times as many residents as Crenshaw, These were, by design, composed of only about one third aforesaid occults, with one third of the vaguely religious sort (in the metaphysical sense of the word), and one third more mainstream people whose interests in Thelema were more generally philosophical and their personal applications more secular. The term for these two Abbeys was early 1969 through late 1972.

A third expansion was in planning stages for a beautiful property in Culver City, California; more of a compound-like place with a number of free-standing buildings on a single property, and interest was higher than ever among residents. But, for a number of reasons, these plans were not pursued. There were certain external difficulties at Hermosa, among them an almost 24 hour police presence at the front gate, and this was not the sort of place that we wanted to hide in the back woods somewhere. Also, the experiment had run a very productive course, and the real world was thought to be a better laboratory for Thelema, overall.


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06/04/2010 8:44 pm  
"Camlion" wrote:
The term for these two Abbeys was early 1969 through late 1972.

I find the dates interesting as it was right before Grady officially registered the OTO with the State of California on 28 Dec 1971. The only Thelemites around that time in the LA area would be the Solar Lodge folks. Since you mentioned having only slight contact with them, were the ppl involved in Hermosa Abbey basically Crowley enthusiasts – i.e. people who read his writings, liked the idea of Thelema, and starting up an alternative community being very much in tune with the late 1960s zeitgeist?


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07/04/2010 3:15 am  
"Camlion" wrote:
The term for these two Abbeys was early 1969 through late 1972.
"tai" wrote:
The only Thelemites around that time in the LA area would be the Solar Lodge folks. ...you mentioned having only slight contact with them

In early 69, Solar Lodge was at its maximum expansion with 6 small "mansions" in LA (plus Solar Ranch in Riverside County, The Ace in the Hole in Arizona, the Vidal, CA commercial complex, and The Eye of Horus bookstore in Blythe, CA.
On July26, 1969, the knights (er, cops) of King Philip (er, Riverside County) invaded the Templar's Castle (er, Solar Ranch), arrested 13 people, and soon sent the "officers" of the Lodge scurrying off in a 3-year international Keystone Cops cat-and-mouse chase - until late 1972.

Solar Lodge members were active in LA until August 69 and could have interfaced with the Hermosa Abbey under discussion. Note that the primary "intake point" for Solar Lodge preliminary meetings and the membership path (for a couple of years) was at Frater Shem's residence in Manhattan Beach, right next door to Hermosa Beach.

Solar Lodge members were less active (but still in attendance) in LA from Aug 69 to Oct 72 and could have interfaced with the Hermosa Abbey under discussion.

Solar Lodge members were all back and active in LA after Dec 1972, but they were shunning "Thelema" and "OTO" and "Occult" and any new external links (because they were almost all on probation and were forbidden by hizhonor the judge from associating with one another - even though they all lived in the same old "mansions" - ha!) and could have interfaced with the Hermosa Abbey under discussion, but at this stage, it's more likely to have been Solar dropouts - because the Lodge itself was living in a state of fortified, secreted, isolated paranoia.

I mention these phases of Solar Lodge because (1) The topic came up, and (2) I have long noticed Camlion's references to his association with a group back in the timeframe and place that was also my time and place (more or less), and I have wondered, "Gee, I wonder if I ever met him or brushed up against his group?"

My memory contains no data to confirm any connection. Camlion, can you describe any Solar Lodge visitors by first name, or by physical description? It would be intersting to put a few more stray pieces into the big, overall jigsaw puzzle.

Thanks, Sh.'.


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07/04/2010 7:06 pm  

I am always deeply humbled and honored to be sharing some of the same 'imaginary ink' as some of you here, who are my seniors.


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07/04/2010 7:42 pm  

hey patrick

caps lock for the lose


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07/04/2010 7:59 pm  
"patrick" wrote:
DEAREST CHRISTIBRANY,

HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED PEOPLE USED NARCOTICS SAID SOME MOCK-PRAYERS AND RESPONSES AND WHEN THE DRUGS WERE GONE SO WERE THE PEOPLE. I COULD GUARANTEE THE EVENT WAS LESS FASCINATING THAN THE CEFALU ABBEY.

THE GREAT BEAST 333

Wow. Thanks for sharing that penetrating insight with the rest of us. Take a moment to compare and contrast your frankly bizarre upper-case rant with Camlion's fascinating comments on the subject. I'm reminded of the informal internet usage of the term "noise to signal ratio" 😆
93 93/93


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07/04/2010 8:34 pm  
"Shiva" wrote:
My memory contains no data to confirm any connection. Camlion, can you describe any Solar Lodge visitors by first name, or by physical description? It would be intersting to put a few more stray pieces into the big, overall jigsaw puzzle.

93 Shiva. The paths of a few individuals did casually cross in the South Bay and LAX areas. I'll PM you when I get a chance and we can exchange private email addresses to swap a few old-timer's dim recollections. Some of these anecdotes would make Paul's blood pressure rise if posted here, although that sort of thing does sell books, but there is time for that later on.

BTW, might I ask you about a certain library burglary at Hermosa? (Just kidding, those particular culprits were identified.) 😉


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08/04/2010 3:45 pm  

So I guess your were there? What's up with your imposed title; did your master,aC give you that name?

Tell me what you think happened; inquistore.

Live and be well, dearest RemeaviThantos

T. G. B, 333


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08/04/2010 4:00 pm  

Salve Patrick,
If your last post refers to me, unfortunatly I was not there either, I was merely refering to your comment posted earlier that appeared somewhat ingratious to those who were.
Master? No master here. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. 😀
Thanks for your kind words though.
Kind regards,


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08/04/2010 6:06 pm  

Camlion,

I'd like to hear more about this "abbey." From your description it sounds like you had two buildings concurrently with plans for a third, yet when you couldn't get the third property the experiment disbanded. This doesn't make a great deal of sense. Why wouldn't you just go looking for another building?

Also, I'm not clear about how dedicated to Thelema qua Thelema this experiment was. "Crowlean technique" is an awful lot like "Thelema-ish", and you specifically mention that only one third of the people at the second location were occultists.

This sounds more like a counter-culture communal living experiment than a dedicated Abbey. I would love to be proven wrong though. What kind of Magical work went on there? Where are these people now and what are are they up to?

-Brendan


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08/04/2010 6:53 pm  
"Brendan831" wrote:
Camlion,

I'd like to hear more about this "abbey." From your description it sounds like you had two buildings concurrently with plans for a third, yet when you couldn't get the third property the experiment disbanded. This doesn't make a great deal of sense. Why wouldn't you just go looking for another building?

Also, I'm not clear about how dedicated to Thelema qua Thelema this experiment was. "Crowlean technique" is an awful lot like "Thelema-ish", and you specifically mention that only one third of the people at the second location were occultists.

This sounds more like a counter-culture communal living experiment than a dedicated Abbey. I would love to be proven wrong though. What kind of Magical work went on there? Where are these people now and what are are they up to?

-Brendan

93 Brenden. Sorry for any confusion but, no, the Crenshaw Abbey preceded the Hermosa Abbey, they did not run concurrently, and, no, the planned third phase in Culver City was not initiated because we deliberately did not exercise the option we had secured on the property. We concluded that the undertaking had run its natural course and had produced sufficient results to carry on with other work in other settings in the 'real world.' It was never intended to be a community ongoing in perpetuity.

As noted in my earlier post, the proportion of occultists included in the mix of individuals in residence was "by design," meaning that it was deliberately calculated. You see, "the Law is for all," and only a very small percentage of the people on our planet will ever be occultists.

This was, in summery, a five year dedicated Thelemic communal living experiment, resulting in a great deal of practical experience, knowledge and, most importantly, understanding of the Law of Thelema in practical application.

As for "What kind of Magical work went on there?" - a long five year story that I might try to touch upon here as time (and my patience) permits. And as for "Where are these people now and what are are they up to?" - that is a longer forty year story that will probably require that you read the book. 🙂


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08/04/2010 11:48 pm  

Camlion,

I look forward to reading it. When will it be published?

93s,

Brendan


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08/04/2010 11:52 pm  
"Brendan831" wrote:
Camlion,

I look forward to reading it. When will it be published?

93s,

Brendan

End of the year, Brendan, thanks.


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christibrany
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10/04/2010 2:56 am  

thanks for posting this info camilion 🙂
Any interesting anecdotes or events that went on that arent in the book or as a teaser of the book to get us the buy it , feel free to share! i love to hear stories. especially true ones!


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10/04/2010 5:34 am  

Well, Camlion reserve a book for me. This sounds really interesting. Being that I'm going to open a Lodge soon, I'm sure I will learn some much needed information from your book.


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10/04/2010 10:30 am  

Thanks guys a very interesting thread - apart from the incoherent rubbish from patrick.


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10/04/2010 7:37 pm  

Thanks again for your interest. I'm uploading a few related newspaper articles to the 'Places' section of the Galleries, the first one was sent this morning for Paul's approval. This one is the front page of the then fledgling local paper in Hermosa Beach. Only the photo and caption at the far left are related to the story. Enjoy your Feasts today!


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christibrany
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26/04/2010 4:10 am  

Thanks for the upload of the paper article I read it yesterday. Camlion, do you have any other anecdotes from there to share?
Did you find living with other occultists made you work more magic and do rituals more often?
Did you also or maybe find that the ability to work with other people versus alone, or more than usual made the results or workings more powerful or successful?
curious chris ^^

i would love to live with other ppl with these interests. all my friends are just musicians like me but not spiritual at all 🙁 and then they mostly moved so now i just practice my Hermeticism 😉 999333


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08/01/2012 3:02 am  

When is this book coming out Camlion? Here we are at the start of 2012 and you have been so busy on the forums I hope you have had time to write this story. I think the history of "the Hermosa Beach Abbey of Thelema" should be told since, no one from the era in late 60s Southern California occult circles seems to know anything about it but you.

When do can we look forward to this promised book and your take on "Crowlean techniques?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghw7_RGi9aI&feature=player_detailpage#t=4s


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22/08/2012 8:00 am  

yes, my Uncle Cracker lived across the street from the Hermosa lodge when I was a kid.

They seemed quite harmless.  Uncle Cracker was amused.  Ocean view, sea breeze and all that. 

Of course history makes us all harmless, eventually. 


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23/08/2012 6:13 pm  

Whatever happened to Camlion, anyway?  I don't remember him saying "bye".  He just kinda' up and left the table.  (The metaphorical LAShTAL table around which we all sit and discuss things)


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23/08/2012 6:31 pm  
"N.O.X" wrote:
Whatever happened to Camlion, anyway?  I don't remember him saying "bye".  He just kinda' up and left the table.  (The metaphorical LAShTAL table around which we all sit and discuss things)

and throw stones... er cakes of light! don't forget the throwing of the cakes.


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26/08/2012 9:04 am  

maybe he is working on that book... god forbid he is en route to England to nag  Mick in person.


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26/08/2012 7:59 pm  

LOL!


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 Anonymous
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30/08/2012 5:40 am  

oh, and so what?

There's more to life than light and shadow.

And a good deal more to death - which is a bit longer.


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30/08/2012 8:22 pm  

Ape,

WTF man?  Are you so bored that you're now trolling me about my sig?  Its time for N.O.X The Troll Slaying Evil One, to use the troll killing incantation once again "RHUBARB, RHUBARB, RHUBARB!"


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