Aeon of Babalon.
Has any researcher made a decent stab at writing about the Aeon Of Babalon from a sober/unbiased point of view?
And does any Thelemite out there feel that Babalon is NOT relevant to Thelema?
Babalon is of course relevant to Thelema .... but this is the Aeon of Horus 😉
- Sr. V
Where did you get the idea/phrase "Aeon of Babalon?"
Babalon is an integral part of this aeon. However, I haven't heard of the Aeon of Babalon; maybe you're referring to Parson's workings? In the next aeon, Hrumachis is supposed to come with his double wand, and Maat will be there too.
Unless, of course, Maat is here NOW-running right alongside HORUS! Double current and all...what do folks here think?
Although there are passages in Crowley's writing that defines the aeons as 2000 years or so apiece, corresponding to the Precession of the Equinoxes, a passage in the Old Comment gives another picture:
Following him [Horus] will arise the Equinox of Ma, the Goddess of Justice, it may be a hundred or ten thousand years from now; for the Computation of Time is not here as There.
Elsewhere, Crowley wrote of the possibility that the Aeon of Horus might collapse a hundred years or so after its inception, if the work of preparation did not go well. Clearly, then, this matter of the Aeons is not exactly cut and dried, as my hairdresser remarked to me recently.
An aeon is an indeterminate period of time. It may be an instant, or it may be hundreds of thousands of years on the scale of the Hindu yugas. It is my own view that the Aeons are not periods of time at all, but perhaps gradations of insight, initiation, understanding, call it what you will. Awareness is a continuum, with division apparent rather than real, conditioned through space and time.
So yes, I do think that the Aeons of Horus and Maat are running alongside, and that Maat is here and now. However, I think that all of the Aeons are here and now - as, on a wider scale, is everything.
(smiling) I have the passage underlined as of late!
Somewhere on this megalithic site, there is a comment/criticism that some people try to find errors and "correct" them in Crowley to elevate themselves and their own insights...this seems to me to be quite descriptive of the Black Brothers in MTP. I've known people like this-and I've BEEN people like this. However, when the real deal comes crashing through, there is a type of relaxation that begins to see more and more and "announces" it-or creates through and with it (the new "revelations") WITHOUT any of that ugly ego...
The other morning I was talking to my wife about the Aeon of Maat and as she is not steeped in Thelemic Systemology, I gave the simple breakdown of the Procession, the "Arrival" of Horus and the Maatian Idea that jumps through time and can arrive without us having to wait 2000 years. I asked her what she thought and she simply said without any reservation: "Yes, it's here."
This wasn't trance-channeling or the prelude to a book announcing new and startling revelations blah blah blah...it was just something in the heart-a simplicity-an enhancement of insight...
If you can't tell by my tendency to write and write and the language I use, I'm very energetic as a person. This wild energy naturally links into the forces of Ra Hoor Khuit. Recent "invasions" of Maatian Power Flow have really helped to "complete" that circuit and offer the Key to working with the Fires of Horus. The result? A smile. Happiness. A broadening view. An upright Feather in the Scales poised against/with a bowl of flame...in the most prosaic terms: good stuff.
It would also seem that in your post(s) there is a real meld of Magick with Mysticism (again, our scales). I'm also seeing a lot of INSIGHT Magicks being posted that are just a joy to read...this is a good group of people here and it would seem that Lashtal represents a meld of minds voyaging to the periphery of common human experience as a type of Pilgrimage...(I'm reminded of Hermann Hesse's spectacular little book "Journey to the East").
In lieu of all this blather and your much more succinct post, maybe we should add Morrissey's "Hairdresser on fire" to the list of Thelemic Lyrics! I'm sure a moment's contemplation will evoke Magickal Formulae (ala Crowley and Mother Goose) from cryptic phrases like" "All around Sloane Square."
IO Horus! IO Maat! IO "Busy Clippers!" And Hail-Hagalaz-Hele the Aeon of BABALON.
I'm such a dork...
93, 23 and 42!
Hhhmmm.. the boy Mozzer? What about his Manchester nemesis Mark E. Smith? Here's a bit of an interview:
TC: I wondered if the song Book of Lies was a reference to Crowley, whether he's a figure you're interested in.
MES: Well I do, but I keep it at the end of my arm. I've seen too many people dabble in that shit, you know. Like Genesis [P-Orridge], he was into all that wasn't he. You've got to be very careful with that stuff. I do like his Tarot though, the Crowley one. I do still like that. The interpretations of the cards are so funny, some of them. The reverse one is like, you are a crawling cockroach of the worst order [laughter]. The normal one is, you're blocked, you're not doing the right thing, you should be a bit more open and think about what you want to do. And he says, you're a crawling cockroach of the worst order. Hah! You are like a bluebottle in human form. Imagine reading that to somebody. They'd probably kill themselves. [laughter] You are an average person, you'll never amount to anything. [more laughter]
TC: Do what thou wilt and those phrases.
MES: Oh that's still good.
Here's the full transcript: http://www.visi.com/fall/gigography/04may14_timcumming.html
The Child-Aeon is now being recognised is an observable social construct: http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/00000006DE8D.htm Peter Pan-demonium indeed! Crowley, if anything, defined the zeitgeist with unnerving accuracy (cf intro to AL). Beat on the brat with Maat!
Marshall Mcluhan also noted a significant change in perception (which he dated, spookily, to 1905) from the era of linear perception (left brain, perspective, rationality) to the 'postmodern' multimedia present (right brain, 'irrational' space like a cubist painting - the global village). Interestingly, he quotes both Pascal & Rabelias: "a perfect sphere whose centre is everywhere yet whose circumference is nowhere". Sound familiar?
This type of reversed perspective sounds like Grant's description of The Abyss - the fleetingly near and the unbearably distant. Colin Wilson calls it 'Faculty X' (X being a cross) and like Grant sees it's aesthetic in Rimbaud, Proust as well as Hesse and in L. H. Myers' novel The Near And The Far. Seems like descriptions of these concurrent Aeons are everywhere, if you look...
Can you share with us the word (logos) of the Aeon of MAAT?
No, because I don't know it. And your point is . . .?
I'm new to the boards but just browsing through right now and felt like making a comment on this thread.
Generally I don't like to use the word "why", but I've seen some Thelemites more concerned with the approach/possible coexistence with the Aeon of Maat than they are with the Aeon of Horus.
Someone above... let me scroll up... MichaelStaley made a nice comment about the procession of time.
Personally I enjoy this Aeon. I love it when people act freely and with good sense, and make good judgement, all the while having a great time doing it. Not to get too much in-depth, I enjoy the intricacies of what I've seen so far to be influences of the Aeon of Horus.
That doesn't mean that the others aren't here too. In the city of my origin (Millington, TN. U.S.A.) you can drive down the street and see a church or two at least every few miles or so and they all have those little billboards outside. Some of them try to give little prose advice while others just say "come to my church". The best ones are blank ones of course, but they are there nonetheless. In my opinion, that is the existence of the Aeon of Osiris in our midst, even if it is not the dominant current at this point in time. Likewise with that of the Aeon of Isis.
So yea all the Aeons are here... where else would they go? But the dominant more active gene right now, in my mind (of course) is the Aeon of Horus, and I see it more and more everyday influencing people in new ways, most of which have no clue why they are moving along as they are. I think that Maat will become dominant when it's time, but the only thing that really sticks out as something to make any of these Ages of Mankind just "go away" would be if mankind just "went away". Otherwise, they are possibilities of our lives and perceptions. That's my opinion, anyway.
Glad to be here, and I look forward to reading some of your awesome and insightful posts.
"Can you share with us the word (logos) of the Aeon of MAAT?" Bill T
According to Nema, the Word of the Aeon of MAAT is IPSOS. (cf. Liber Pennae Praenumbra.)
BTW, does anyone know the Word (Logos) of the Aeon of Isis?
En To Pan!
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
I just thought I'd chip in with my own views on this topic of the Aeons.
Aeons manifest principally on the level of human society, the individual as a part of that society more or less reflects the level of awareness (or perhaps more properly magickal perspective) embodied by the present Aeon.
The Aeon of Osiris is over because most people have pretty thoroughly assimilated its formula. Most modern people when they initially come to magickal or 'spiritual' practice (not necessarily thelema) will fairly immediately 'get' the principal of the dying god. As such, an initiation based upon the formula of the dying god doesn't initiate very much - the person is already very close to the level the initiation provides. It can still be useful though as a preliminary.
The formula of the Aeon of Horus is new. It takes people who have assimilated the formula of Osiris and takes them to the next level, as it were. Thus, in the context of the modern world, it provides a more thorough initiation.
The formula of some future Aeon (e.g. Maat) could only be employed by people who had thoroughly assimilated the formulae of the preceding Aeons. I personally see no evidence of thorough assimilation of the formula of Horus by those who espouse the Aeon of Maat concept.
With regard to the word and formula of the Aeon of Isis; no, I don't know what the word was (though with a bit of research I could make a stab at guessing it). However, its formula has by now been so thoroughly assimilated by people that its import will be as trite as the statement "Women give birth".
In my opinion Chapter 5 of Book 4, part 3 provides a good test of someones assimilation of the formula of a particular Aeon. The IAO formula persists across all the Aeons but it "varies in significance with successive Aeons". Most modern people can grasp its meaning for the Aeons of Isis and Osiris, it generally takes them more work to grasp it for the Aeon of Horus. I have never seen an interpretation of the IAO formula for the Aeon of Maat.
Also, just additionally, on the subject of future Aeons. Any work with the "formula of a future Aeon" will to some extent be restricted because it will be largely personal, having no "resonance" with the larger culture within which the magician operates.
To sum up my views. The Aeon of Osiris is over because most people 'get' its formula. The Aeon of Horus is now here because, as yet, most people are moving towards assimilating its formula. Aeons are of indefinite length because how long it takes the majority to assimilate a particular formula is dependant on a number of variable factors. When the formula of the Aeon of Horus is fully assimilated by the majority then we will get a new Aeon.
As I say, just my own views on the subject of Aeons, and I'm sure some of you will want to differ with me.
Love is the law, love under will.
This seems to me a very sane and simple (simple yet profound) view of the Aeons. I believe Michael Staley, in a previous post, mentioned acknowedging the Aeon of Maat as here and NOW (concurrent with Horus) but then added that Aeons were States of Mind in which the Magician can move at Will. This would seem to be acknowledged by YOU in an individual assimilation of the Maat Aeon. Crowley observed that Aquarius in its new born state seemed to partake more of Astrologically Opposite Leo and has yet to come into itself...I agree with him on this point. But I also have faith in the "coming into itself" process. After All, we can witness that process within our hearts right now as Thelemites in more than self-proclaimed name.
I'm on the GO (as is typical) so I'll spare the site of further Babble-I WILL add more comments soon on the LAM Thread as I see this Force erupting along the Aeonic Growth Process as much as Aiwass erupted for the breaking of the water and the snipping of the umbilical cord.
Just a little something... isn't it mentioned that any person soever "after a certain point" (refering to the 9=2 Grade), the Magus is to work to enhanced and otherwise assist in the formulation of the Word of the current Aeon. I forget what has been mentioned about those who fail to do so (re: Fr. Achad perhaps?). In a way it makes the Word of the Aeon the sole formula for well, the Aeon.
Of course the main discussion here seems to be how many Aeons run rampid and to what extent at any one time, but I personally wouldn't want to work with the Magickal formula of the "stone age" if this is the "space age" and if the "age of the future" really is the age of the future, then why not let it be? I wonder if people think they will somehow get ahead on the evolutionary curve by working with a "Maat Aeon" or what they are really thinking.
Just some personal feelings and perhaps a twist to the thread.
I wonder if people think they will somehow get ahead on the evolutionary curve by working with a "Maat Aeon
And perhaps this isn't at all a bad thing.
The way I see it, no need to "pick one" to work with.
Stone age= 516
Tantric, brother, adeptus, knower, revealer, red dragon, pyramid, triangle, formula and Malkuth, malkuth being the place of enterance.
Abrahadabra, magician, To Go, human, moon, Magickal, LUX, refine, divided and Gemini. Divided and Gemini being the double current.
Just some quick thoughts on this.
*English Qabalah by David Cherubim
.......erm............ Babalon anyone? 😀
What do you mean by the Aeon of Babalon?
Exactly...I think this was the first question asked when this thread began-and before it spun off into the various Aeons we had at our Disposal to work with!
Where did this idea come up? Had you referenced it in a book or a specialized Thelemic organization?
I suspect the topic may have something to do with Joel Biroco's theory of a magical current he descibes numerically as the 156 current, which was initiated by Jack Parsons, and fortified later with work achieved by Biroco and a few others during the 1980's. Biroco identifies the magical current numbered 156 as the Kaos-Babalon current. The dynamic behind the concept is based on the shared enumeration of Kaos and Babalon, achieved using transliterated Hebrew gematria values:
KHAOS = 20 + 5 + 1 + 70 + 60 = 156.
BABALON = 2 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 30 + 70 + 50 = 156.
Using my own Threefold Key, Babalon = 77.
Perhaps for the sake of arguement or just to get this out...
I may be a bit of a non-conformist in some ways and in some ways not, but I just love it when people take stuff and twist it around to suit themselves. That's what its really about anyway right, building a system that works for you?
At the same time, I have to say... isn't Babalon, the Scarlet Woman, the title of an Office or a position held say in Temple or in other means for this very Aeon of Horus? Wouldn't an "Aeon of Babalon" imply taking the name of an Office and giving it the power to transmute humanity as these Gods and Goddesses have over the past few Aeons? Isn't that some sort of flaw, or some sort of joke, or some sort of play on the fact that even humans are living gods? I could probably argue this all day lol. However, I do enjoy Parson's work as being geniune and as a general "Call to Arms" for the feminine aspect, and I do understand the use and interpretations of the Babalon archtype, but I'm not sure he had a very good idea saying she has her own Aeon, just yet. (There are a lot of kinks to be worked out along those lines still, as is obvious within just the American culture alone.)
Again, I'm more streamlined in thought. In my mind it is the Aeon of Horus whose Law is Thelema whose Word is Abrahadabra. Isis' time is come and gone but lives in our memories (ever watch Clan of the Cave Bear?). Osiris, the dying God, is finally dying out. It may take some time and I do enjoy watching his followers flop around like freshly turned-over cockroaches what with their feet in the air begging for release from agony, but the Aeon of Osiris will become just a part of our collective memories in time just as Isis' did. Of course we still have "Isis cults" re: Wicca, and perhaps there will still be "Osiris cults" re: Christian sects, but these are all schools of thought working under an obsolete paradigm. What gets me about this Aeon of Maat thing is this: do we really have the Aeon of Horus figured out yet? Has the paradigm been completely worked out and defined? Many people tend to take Crowley as the first testament of the Aeon, but he certainly isn't the last. Point being, until this one is actually running strong and dominant, is the Maat Aeon even a sure thing for the future? Or maybe the "Aeon of Truth" for humanity is that we will fail to evolve the Child and remain children... but I won't let that happen with myself.
Alright this is turning into a sort of personal "Call to Arms" so I'll quit. Great posts everyone. Very inspiring, sorry about the rant.
Okay, forgive my ignorance, but why KHAOS and not KAOS or even CHAOS?
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Because thats how you NEED to spell it to arrive at the number 156 of course.... 😉
Oh well, I did my best to be subtle with my journalistic questioning technique!
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Because spelt that way, it enumerates as 156. Spelt another way, it might equate with nothing more profound than bread and butter pudding (not that I have anything against the latter).
Okay, forgive my ignorance, but why KHAOS and not KAOS or even CHAOS?
I'm not endorsing Biroco's conclusions, just relaying them. I assume the spelling is a phonetic representation of CHAOS.
Having delved deeply into the well of gematria, there is little that surprises me when it comes to the applications of gematria, including Crowley's belief that MAKHASHANAH enumerates to 418, or the belief that the enumeration of the Semitic word AL when multiplied times three is relevant to enumeration of the Greek word ThELHMA. 😉
"I just thought I'd chip in with my own views on this topic of the Aeons." - Babalond
Glad you did. I kind of knew all of that and concur, but couldn't have expressed it so clearly or succinctly. Thanks so much!
You have got me thinking...if the current aeon is about freedom of action, then the next aeon is very likely unrolling as a natural consequence. I don't believe the aeon of Horus started in 1904. That is merely its official birthday.
I suppose the time will come, most likely not before centuries have elapsed, when another Magus will have no choice but to spit out the next Word. Perhaps in a sense 'all of the aeons' are present simultaneously*, but I much prefer the evolutionary connotations that are behind the aeonic concept.
*Perhaps all musical melody's are already present, they lurk waiting to be discovered. But suspecting this doesn't help me write a new tune.
I have been thinkning about this.....
The points i give here are based upon the acknowledgment and argument that the Aeon of Babalon is already established.
If we take the starting point of the Enochian descriptions of Our Holy Lady of Babalon , ( Wicked / Harlot). It can be argued that the sociological conditions for the awareness and presence ( and therefore the Aeon) of Babaon are very strong.
In modern society the role of the woman has changed over the last 40 years. Gone is the mother and the homemaker , and has been replaced by the independent women in control. This control includes contraception , the lack of peer pressure to get married nowadays , the ability for women to choose their sexual partners more so than they had in the previous 40 years. The ability for women to be in control sexually and enjoy without guilt or issues.
The second condition is the increase in pornography, ( Latin ; The Book of the Whores.) Never has there been a time in human history where the amount and accessibility of pornography has been consumed and used. Over 50% of internet traffic is essentially pornographic. Peoples inhibitions are falling to the side , with no trace of guilt. What perfect conditions for the rebellious Wicked Harlot !!!
To be continued!! 😀
Well my brief come-back to this, is that the Osirian aeon was full of commandments and moral pronouncements. The next aeon suggests more individual responsibility. You are suggesting that the aeon of individual responsibility has gone to far. That a Magus has already become sick with it and the wrong-headedness of it all and is promulgating MORE SEX. And LOTS of IT. Hmm. I need to see more evidence that Wankernet is really evidence of out-with-the-old and in-with-the-new as much as you suggest.
I will try to raise the thread beyond Benny Hill here!! 😀
What the Book of the Whores/pornography is, is a record of our tastes , our attitiudes , and our needs. It is a record of our society and how we perceive ourselves and each other. In the past the Book of the Whores went from a record of the times , in Rome , through to spiritual pursuits in the Karma Sutra. Now in the 21st century the internet is helping to record a newer version of the Book of the Whores. And from the way the internet is thriving it is helping the Aeon of Babalon to thrive and manifest without fear, guilt, issues, and restrictions of Abrahamic conditioning.
Perfect conditions for Our Whore Babalon to thrive!!!
Another point is over the issue of choice in the perception of Aeons. Sometimes we initiate these Aeons ourselves without any exterior help needed. I am only trying to suggest that the conditions on a sociological, exterior level , allow the interior, magickal occult currents to flow without restrction. It just all depends on your conditioning.
a record of our tastes , our attitiudes , and our needs. It is a record of our society and how we perceive ourselves and each other.
I think a bit of this "Book of Whores" may be under the shadow of "Mary Inviolate," as (to quote KJ): "Restricted Sexuality gives birth to monsters." With all due tipping of the hat to exuberance and unrestricted expression of erotic impulse, specialized inclinations etc., there is MUCH that falls short of these qualities in the venue of Porn and "Whoredom." As a social worker, I've had many encounters (read NOT INTIMATE!!!) with "women of the street," who (at least in the States) are not the glamorous self-possessed Nu-Aeonic Women we hail-rather sad, shell-like, junkies living lives of desperation, addiction and raw bruised survival. I've also observed the "plastic" nature of Porn, cookie-cut to meet to the buyer's need...and lacking the "Real" element of burning sexuality.
(Now, please...no "links" to show predilections-or the Goddess Knows, this thread will quickly fall to pieces...)
The Whore & Beast aspect of the Aeonic Coupling, I believe, has more subtle manifestations than imitation of outward form. Yes, AC dumped soup on his head, defecated on carpet etc etc but he was a "Crazy Guru" and we are all well aware of his bent towards refinement and arisotocracy, also. And in THAT "mode," Crowley also manifested the formulae and powers of the "Beast."
The Nu-Aeon Whore MAY very well explode into wild writhings but there is also a formula contained in the word.
I had been thinking about the difference between a Whore and a "Slut." The latter is NOT the "Liberated Woman," but rather a "free for all" without self-direction (and Men fall into the same category on many levels). The Whore demands PAYMENT in return for SERVICE. Typically Coin, Coin is an functional condensation of time (read ENERGY) condensed into something which may be transferred. This has implications with regards to how the Magician may be gifted with the Elixir (only by adequate "payment") but also how the Nu-Aeon Whore functions in general...the Victorian option was give when asked without payment...we have in the Whore, then, something very Maatian...a demand for "Equivelent Exchange." Here we enter the Double Current-and the Horus Maat Current has manifested in a VERY sexual fashion (see Nema etc). Justice takes on a meaning beyond the statue blown to pieces by V. Balance can't be static. It's a perpetual dance. It's a very wild thriving thing...but it doesn't "fall off the horse," so to speak-it Juggles for the Priestess.
Please forgive the ramble (I'm trying hard to go for the "Haiku Post") but this topic is VERY huge and it would seem that this thread has a long way to wind!
Keeping this going...... there are also the magickal implications has well. It can be argued that the Aeon of babalon has created an .....opening / door to a new way of approaching /"doing" magick has well. This started with the Typhonian stuff and then the Sherwin/ Hine stuff with the IOT then the Maat/Horus lodge (Nema). The Praxis and use of Magick is evolving far past the Golden Dawn / masonic type stuff which was very masculine in its approach to give way to a much more...feminine & rebellious fashion in initiation and outlook. Very "Wicked".
This type of approach can only be helped and fed by a more open culture developing now where morality and responsibilities are for the individual judge and not for any "exterior" 'authority'. Again this comes back to the Harlot who comes and goes she feels fit. Existing where there are no laws or rules. Feeling at home in Da'ath........ 😀
I know-I "babble ON..." For the rest of September I will only post in Haikus-promise!
It can be argued that the Aeon of babalon has created an .....opening / door to a new way of approaching /"doing" magick has well. This started with the Typhonian stuff
I agree whole-heartedly. This is a GREAT insight and the whole paragraph is perfectly stated. Babalon=156. It may be noted that in English Qabalah, LAM=156 and is the value of the final letter in the English Alphabet (i.e it ends that 26 letter cycle and leads to a "Gate," if you will).
And from henceforth, it's Haikus.
PS-In English Qabalah "OK" also=156 😯
Yes, I lied about the Haikus (unless I'll be permitted to defer to an Extraterrestrial Calender System whereby September ended yesterday!).
I dug about on the website here and couldn't find the reference but I think Ian was going to attend the Babalon Talk at Treadwells and maybe there was going to be link to a recording of it? It might add some interesting material to be woven into this thread?
I gave the talk, if Ian was the tall bald gentleman we met and I'm sure he can tell you about it, but with all the wine it became a bit of a blur in the after party.
Will be publishing my Work, manuscript is in final stages of preparation, hence no recording or written synopsis.
Rather given up on forums as a method of communication, prefer to order my thoughts into essays and do my discussions face to face.
Strongly considering giving some workshops on Babalon as the reaction was very positive to the talk, I'll let Lashtal know if I decide to pursue that. For the meantime I'm contactable through my livejournal which may be of interest to you: http://petergrey.livejournal.com/
In Nomine Babalon
Yes, that sounds like Ian.
I sense a new thread coming on:
"Baldness After Crowley."
If I was the tall bald gentleman then you must have been the little African fellow from the Mountains of the Moon. 😆
"Baldness After Crowley."
...and you'd, as usual, have much to say on this thread seeing as you're quite, how should I say it? "Folically challenged" yourself. 😉
I vote we skip this thread. 🙄
(ahem) 93 Kyle.
I was meaning to write a review of the talk, and may still do so, but I've been too busy of late.
how should I say it? "Folically challenged"
Well, I prefer to think of matters being more in line with "Testosterone Enhanced!" Something EVERY Scarlet Woman desires in a Beast! 😈
And NOW, back to Babalon.... 😯
93 (Hairs left)
Well, the inevitable has arrived. I've been here long enough, it's my turn to get deleted for a serious infraction of off topic digression.
So, here it goes. It's a short digression but one I'm compelled, in a Tourettes sorta way, to make.
Well, I prefer to think of matters being more in line with "Testosterone Enhanced!" Something EVERY Scarlet Woman desires in a Beast!
All I have to say to this is....... 🙄
And now that i've said my peace, it's back to Babalon. 8)
I'll follow the link and check out the site. Thanks for the reference!