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William Thirteen
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eerily, I was just watching a bit-o-the-ole Hancock yesterday and then stumbled on this thread as I came over to LAShTAL for the first time in weeks. Coincidence or something more???

@dom I am concerned that this most recent credulity is but the harbinger of your next attack of aggravated 'scepticism'. A sort of "pole-shift" in the making and I hardly think this bi-polarity can be healthy.

On another note I believe it may have been Heidegger who wrote (and I am paraphrasing here) that "perceiving any sort of order in the Universe is but the first manifestation of paranoia". Does anyone have a more detailed citation?


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W13: Coincidence or something more??

Sometg more. For the past year I have been typing away on some subject in an in-progress book, and I will get an eMail message asking me about what I have just (or recently) typed. Therefore my wiork becomes easier ... I don't have to write a long response. I just copy, paste & send. It's called synchronicity.

“perceiving any sort of order in the Universe is but the first manifestation of paranoia”. Does anyone have a more detailed citation?

I am not so concerned with the so-called "sacred geometry," but rather with the "facts" that link remote sites in an orderly manner, or when one site obviously points to another site, but only when these "facts" can be determined from an airplane or (if you will) a rocket ship or space Shuttle, or via computational math or software not available to our ancestors. To me, this indicates a prehistoric, advanced civilization ... or maybe it's just those pesky aliens and they're coming back to eat me. Where's my tinfoil hat?


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William Thirteen
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Try William Stirling’s The Canon (1897), one of the earliest and most extensive expositions using this hermeneutic. A section on the Great Pyramid begins on page 199.
https://archive.org/details/cu31924028956262

If I am not mistaken, Crowley has The Canon on the A.'.A.'. reading list, terming it "The best text-book of Applied Qabalah"


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Well this is a bit apropos because I just finished his book Magicians of the Gods from the library.

In a nutshell, this book is about how Hancock says human civilisation of a high order was pretty much obliterated due to the flooding at the end of the Younger Dryas ice age, due to the ice melting, and furthermore, the melting of the ice was caused by an extinction level event of multiple comet pieces hitting the ice caps which had gone as far south as the Americas.

Due to this catastrophe he states that certain wise men from the old civilisation traveled the world in their fast craft of some sort, to disseminate culture in the realms of agriculture, math, astronomy, etc.

It's a fascinating read and he has a lot of scientific proof to back up his analyses this time.

That said , in response to this question 'What does knowledge of these Graham Hancock theories of lost civilizations have to do with Thelema, Liber Al and finding one’s True Will?'

I don't think it has anything to do with Thelema whatsoever.

If you reeeally wanted to stretch you could say that it relates because this pre-Egyptian people/remnant of that lost civilisation(s) built the Great Pyramid (for sure in my book) and that structure is the remnant of this high culture which died out and which the later Egyptians copied, but added heiroglphs too etc. And of course AC did the major first ritual of Thelema in the Pyramid but that's still a stretch in regards to relations


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There is a Thelemic 7=4 practice called "magical memory." Maybe there's a shorter stretch involved in that circuit.


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By the way Shiva do you agree that Kali-Yuga, as it were, began to fade in the late 1800s around the time of Crowley's birth which is fitting I guess.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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What do you mean, dom, by "Kali-Yuga . . . began to fade"? Was the birth of Crowley some sort of Kryptonite?


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Dom: By the way Shiva do you agree that Kali-Yuga, as it were, began to fade in the late 1800s around the time of Crowley’s birth which is fitting I guess.

From what I see in the Daily News, and according to my interaction with contemporary human beings, I would say, "NO."

Science took off around 1875, and broke through into practicality very close to 1904. Autos, electricity, x-rays, radio, etc. But that had nothing to do with Kali Yuga, which is identified by GREED.

The entire scope of Kali-Yuga, "The Age of Iron - The Age of Vice," along with its timeline and characteristics, drawn mainly from the original, Hindu text-sources, is made clear for anyone to understand at my site ...
http://age-of-iron.angelfire.com/index.html


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What do you mean, dom, by “Kali-Yuga . . . began to fade”? Was the birth of Crowley some sort of Kryptonite?

Kryptonite?

Do you know what kali-yuga is?

From what I see in the Daily News, and according to my interaction with contemporary human beings, I would say, “NO.”

You're impatient for change and want it right now but ages don't work like that.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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You’re impatient for change and want it right now but ages don’t work like that

No; they take ages.

Do you know what kali-yuga is?

I have some acquaintance with the term, thankyou. There isn't agreement on when the Yuga began, nor when it is due to end; this from Wikipedia, for instance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yug a"> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga

The Kali Yuga began approximately five thousand years ago, and it has a duration of 432,000 years, leaving us with 427,000 years until the end of the present age.

"Yuga where you want; I'm staying here." - Ramana Maharshi.


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Dwtw

Fun fact:

Coordinates of the Great Pyramid of Giza:
29.9792° N, 31.1342° E

Speed of light:
299,792.458 kilometers per second

Therefore, Giza latitude x 10000 = light speed in kps.

Litlluw
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Fun fact:
Coordinates of the Great Pyramid of Giza:
29.9792° N, 31.1342° E
Speed of light:
299,792.458 kilometers per second
Therefore, Giza latitude x 10000 = light speed in kps

Some people are trying to debunk it by overanalysing those figures.

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-speed-of-light-also-the-coordinates-for-the-great-pyramid-at-Giza

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Was the birth of Crowley some sort of Kryptonite?
Well maybe he he created a rift in space and brought the kryptonite tone into the span of The Aeon of Osiris .


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Remind me why the ancient Egyptians would use a coordinate system with Greenwich, England (a place that would not exist for some thousands of years in the future) defined as the reference point, even if you can convince me they used the metric system (instead of cubits) just this one time?

Or is this impressive predictive power another example of the accomplishments of their more-advanced-than-us civilization?


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SIDENOTE:

i had just read the mention of Ramana Maharshi above when he flew over the transom again, mentioned in a post here

http://happinessbeyondthought.blogspot.com/2018/02/dancing-hands-for-lower-anxiety-higher.html

on the utility of Mudras to bring about changes in activity in the frontal and parietal lobes which have been observed as accompanying feelings of "enlightenment" in test subjects.

Notably AC also recommended the Gayatri Mantra for use during regular adoration of the moon. Can anyone cite AC writing on specific Mudras?


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Notably AC also recommended the Gayatri Mantra for use during regular adoration of the moon. Can anyone cite AC writing on specific Mudras?

here are some interesting pics
seems like confessions might have mentioned one ( i seem to recall that he did mention one )

https://plus.google.com/photos/106624372909751902136/album/5764246976043777345/5764246974896535154


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Remind me why the ancient Egyptians would use a coordinate system with Greenwich, England (a place that would not exist for some thousands of years in the future) defined as the reference point, even if you can convince me they used the metric system (instead of cubits) just this one time?
Or is this impressive predictive power another example of the accomplishments of their more-advanced-than-us civilization?

The person who was said to have "invented" the metric system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Mouton was also an abbot and was probably familiar with ancient occult Vatican knowledge for all i know maybe it was a "reinvention".

Greenwich? Is it such an artificial system or something more naturally occurring (the line of longitude in that particular region of our globe that is?) The fact that the earth is a globe is ancient knowledge contrary to what history/science books tell you.

I mean yeah it sounds ludicrous but it's also astounding, The problem is that die-hard nerd materialists who go at such figures with a full-on dismissive attitude are not being scientists, they're being assholes.

I'm just human, how would i know e.g. why "the Fibonnaci sequence" is some sort of universal law that impacts upon the growth of plants and other living things?

Induction.

Deduction.

Assholes.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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If it's a straight-up ratio based on distances and shapes that's one thing, but if it depends on:

1. The system of latitude and longitude coordinates, which isn't inherent in nature, so to speak, but was invented.

2. The metric system, which is at the same time derived from a distance and ratio, but is also just one measurement system out of any myriad possible measurement systems

and

3. Retrofitting these systems, which were invented many centuries after the construction of the pyramids, to the location of the pyramids.

Then it's a coincidence, sure, but what meaning is there?


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The problem is that die-hard nerd materialists who go at such figures with a full-on dismissive attitude are not being scientists, they’re being assholes.

I don't think that anybody in this thread has displayed a "full-on dismissive attitude". Nor would ignant666 fall into the "die-hard nerd materialists" category.


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Is a "die-hard nerd materialist" kind of like a "skeptic"?

What david/dom is consistent about, both when he was a "skeptical Thelema" partisan, and now in his new "I Want To Believe" New-Age-fluffy-bunny position, is a resolute unwillingness (or inability?) to engage in any sort of critical thinking whatever. Each position comes with a set of pre-fab attitudes and beliefs, provided by others, that david/dom swallows whole, and regurgitates enthusiastically and uncritically at every opportunity.

As to getting called an asshole by a person of such, um, charm, words fail me, but The Modern Lovers provide a musical response:

https://youtu.be/ejmE-F3EJyQ


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William13
Quick thanks for the mudra article, very useful. I had 'forgotten' all about them, want to try some again.
I think you know what I mean, that kind of busy-with-other-practises-forgetting!

The kriya yoga article about the four syllables chanting, reminds me of possibly using the Lam sadhana mantra ta lam ma lat with it.


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I have another "asshole" question: before someone says "Well, longitude depends on Greenwich, but latitude, the thing we are talking about here, doesn't. Latitude is measured in degrees from the equator (which is zero degrees latitude). So there, Mister Smarty-Pants!":

True enough, latitude is based on degrees from the equator.

Is it a problem for the claimed correlation that, according to the archaeological record, the Egyptians did not have the concept of zero until around 1770 BC, when the Great Pyramid was built around 2580-2560 BC, ie was begun (and presumably designed, including recording the speed of light) more than 800 years before the Egyptians had a zero to base a coordinate system on?

Or was knowledge of zero, like knowledge that light has measurable velocity, part of the Ancient Lost Wisdom of the Egyptian priesthood>

Could future archaeologists employ similar reasoning to draw the reasonable conclusion that medieval peasants in 1208 EV routinely used smartphone apps to post selfies to their Facebooks?


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Forget about latitude and longitude, Arabic numerals (which came from India) were not even invented before the seventh century - a full three thousand years after the fact!


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I don’t think that anybody in this thread has displayed a “full-on dismissive attitude”. Nor would ignant666 fall into the “die-hard nerd materialists” category.

and.....?

Yeah i know that ignant666 doesn't have an anti idealistic agenda like a lot of scientists. When did i ever accuse him of being a “die-hard nerd materialist”? This particular "fun fact" may be just a astounding coincidence that leads nowhere. It looks that way, other fun facts i'm not so sure...... yet.

"The blood of the just will be demanded of London
Burnt by fire in the year '66
."

or maybe

"From the enslaved populace, songs,
Chants and demands
While princes and lords are held captive in prisons.
These will in the future by headless idiots
Be received as divine prayers."

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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@ignant666 said:

As to getting called an asshole by a person of such, um, charm, words fail me, but The Modern Lovers provide a musical response:

Song is the from the cult movie Repo Man which had some great dialogue:

"John Wayne was a fag. I installed two-way mirrors in his pad in Brentwood, and he come to the door in a dress. ."

"The more you drive the less intelligent you are."

"It happens sometimes, people just explode. Natural causes."

"You gonna give me my car, or do I gotta go to your house and shove your dog's head down the toilet?"

"Look at those assholes, ordinary fucking people. I hate 'em."


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Song is the from the cult movie Repo Man which had some great dialogue:

Yeah like when Estevez asks his parents to reconsider the college loan. Haha.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Appleby's book The Hall of the Gods was withdrawn after more than 12 authors accused him of plagiarism.

https://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg03919.html

"An Official Statement Regarding Operation Hermes By Graham Hancock,
Robert Bauval, Colin Wilson, Andrew Collins, Christopher Knight, Robert
Lomas, Simon Cox And Alan Alford.
Updated : 4th August 1998

Dear readers, friends and colleagues around the world,

As many of you may be aware, there has been a great deal of controversy
and confusion surrounding the publication of the book 'Hall Of The Gods'
(the "Book") by William Heinemann of Random House, UK (the
"Publishers").

The Book, written by Mr. Nigel Appleby, was published on the 2nd June
1998 and withdrawn for sales as from the 5th June 1998 by the
Publishers. This was on account of complaints from several published
authors (12 to this date). See articles in The Observer of 14 June 1998,
the Daily Mail 15 June 1998 and the Daily Telegraph 20 June 1998."

Perhaps someone can find us the relevant newspaper articles to see what and from whom he plagiarized.

Here is Nigel Appleby's "Atlantipedia" entry -
http://atlantipedia.ie/samples/appleby-nigel/

One book that Appleby apparently plagiarized is Ralph Ellis' Thoth: Architect of the Universe (1998). E.g. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2615254-hall-of-the-gods-the-quest-to-discover-the-knowledge-of-the-ancients
I have neither book, so I can't compare.

It seems the 2012 end of the world hype had a lot to do with these guys. We went out with tinfoil hats that night, on a pub crawl. Our costumes got us a lot of free drinks.


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