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Azidonis
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93,

Over the years, we've had many political discussions, many of them involving the promulgation of the Law of Thelema as envisioned by Aleister Crowley and his successors.

It is beyond doubt that the recent death of Osama bin Laden will have some impact on the rest of the world. What impact it will have is merely speculation at this point. But in the interest of speculation, what impact do you think his death will have on the world's situation overall, and what impact do you think it will have on Thelema specifically, either now or in the recent, or distant, future? What impact does it hold for you personally, as a Thelemite, or in general as a Star in the Body of Nuit?

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"Azidonis" wrote:
93,

Over the years, we've had many political discussions, many of them involving the promulgation of the Law of Thelema as envisioned by Aleister Crowley and his successors.

It is beyond doubt that the recent death of Osama bin Laden will have some impact on the rest of the world. What impact it will have is merely speculation at this point. But in the interest of speculation, what impact do you think his death will have on the world's situation overall, and what impact do you think it will have on Thelema specifically, either now or in the recent, or distant, future? What impact does it hold for you personally, as a Thelemite, or in general as a Star in the Body of Nuit?

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There's been a dangerous over-polarization over the past few years in US politics, with each side thinking the other are absolute morons - ironic considering Obama came in as a uniter, not a divider. This event is good news in that it allows Democrats and Liberals to re-discover honest-to-goodness patriotism. That in itself, I sense, is breaking some sort of psychic bubble that's been in tension for a long time (it may actually bring to some sort of closure wounds in the US collective psyche going back as far as Vietnam). It also enables Right wingers to (albeit grudgingly) admit that at least Obama did the right thing, so maybe he's not as eebil as all that. Hopefully this will form a little bit of a healing bridge between the two sides, and slow down the escalating rhetoric.

Practically speaking of course it's going to be a severe blow to the spirit of AQ and affiliates. What Bush promised years ago has been fulfilled. It was now, in retrospect, clearly inevitable and inexorable that all the perps of 9/11 would come to justice, one by one they have been hunted down (only Zawahiri left) and AQ severely weakened and dislocated. This must surely give pause to others seeking to fill the now-dead terrorists' shoes. Meanwhile important intelligence - such as re. the AQ Khan nuclear trading network - has been developed as a byproduct, and armies of the liberal democracies have been exercised in the theatre of war.

This is a good "message" to give to the world. It's going to hearten moderate Muslims the world over, and give a bit of fresh fire to those fighting for their freedom in the "Arab Spring". (Because of course, AQ was never really all that concerned with America, at least in its current phase of activity - that's just rhetoric for the useful idiots in the West. AQs real concern, IMHO, has always been to get recruits by impressing young fanatics with its ability to thumb its nose at the US, and to intimidate moderate Muslims into either joining in with the cause, or at least toeing the extremist party line.)

From the point of view of Thelema as a whole, no particular great impact so far as I can see, other than another fanatical, murderous ideologue brought to justice - always a good thing. And the above considerations are just part of the gradual progress of Thelema (i.e. in this case, the gradual democratization of the Arab world, as a sort of stable-ish state from which social experimentation may proceed, much as it does in the West already).

Personally, it cheered me up a bit this morning. The sunlight sparkled a little bit more, the birdsong was a little bit more tinkley.

On the other hand, he was certainly a remarkable human being who perpetrated what Karlheinz Stockhausen rightly called one of the greatest works of art the world has ever seen (this was a bit of a daft thing to say at the time, but one understands what he meant - for a week or two after 9/11 nearly everyone in the world was FUCKING AWAKE). It's a real shame that a man with such intelligence, drive and charisma was ridden by a fearful, narrow minded ideology, and never "got" Thelema - or even ordinary liberal democracy, for that matter.


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I personally didnt care he was dead. And I dont quite believe he was killed yesterday. There are evidences he died years ago but it wasnt the 'proper ' time to mention it. That said even if he was killed I dont think it has any bearing on thelema. I think it has bearing on corrupt politicians 'cleaning house' so that he couldn't expose what he knew about said corruption in the US, UK and other governments. Basically it is those behind 9/11 cleaning house. But no relation to Thelema that i can see at all...


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Exactly, Christibrany: "There are evidences he died years ago" but was still useful as a sock-puppet, and so the fiction of his life was continued so as to disinform not only the West, but Bin Laden's would-be followers and faithful.

I don't know whose side he was on. George H.W. Bush's father has been doing Oil Business with the Bin Laden family since the early 1950's, making both families multi-billionaires. Osama Bin Laden joined the CIA-backed Afghan Mujahadeen the same year that George H.W. Bush became the Head of the CIA, and was a CIA operative. How long did he remain a CIA Operative? Well was treated for his Kidney dialysis in a CIA-run Medical Facility in August of 2001, a month before 9/11.

There is no way that such a man living in caves in the wild & mountainous borders of Afghanistan and Pakistan could recieve neccesary medical care, and it's equally inconcievable that he was getting dialysis and care in a city in Afghanistan or Pakistan and our intelligence sources, looking for these sorts of leads, were unable to locate where he was getting his care, or who was giving it to him. This is some sort of a False Flag or Straw-Man strategy. Why are they doing this now? What are they misdirecting our attention from?

Agreed: No connection to Thelema. Just a lot of unanswered questions.


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Interesting input thus far, though I do find it hard that such a prominent incident would carry "no connection to Thelema".


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i dont see how this infek person is related to the bin laden family. he seems scandinavian. and if its an assumed name i dont understand why one would choose that these days? any one care to enlighten me on possible motives?


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In general I agree with WalterFive and Chris.
The idea that the Saudis are still held responsible for 9/11 is quite depressing. Any European, or non US citizen for that fact, that I know is more or less ready to question the theory of a terrorist attack on the twin towers and the Pentagon.
I think that outside of the US it is a given fact that Bin Laden died way before notice was given from the White House. After all, an aged man on dialysis can't really burst with health in the caves of Afghanistan. But let us assume for a moment that he was actually killed only recently: How would the death of someone like Bin Laden have anything to do with Thelema or the way a Thelemite might live his life in 2011? What is the connection between the Bin Laden family and Thelema? Other than Thelemites and other citizens in the world possibly being able to carry shampoo and water on an plane again?


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Az, I would say, as evidenced here already with bin Laden, that a healthy distrust of present governments, both Leftist and Rightest, is wise regarding all things, until such a time that these government's priorities are centered around the accomplishments of the true Wills of their citizens, rather than with the other interests that preoccupy them - such as getting re-elected, making money for that purpose and for personal gain and causing or allowing voters to remain poorly informed so that they act against their own best interests.


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"Azidonis" wrote:
Interesting input thus far, though I do find it hard [to believe?] that such a prominent incident would carry "no connection to Thelema".

Thelema is a philosophy of individual conduct, not some geopolitical movement, so it's not surprising that the death of one criminal -- and a bunch of kooky conspiracy theories that are growing up around it -- have absolutely no connection whatsoever to Thelema.

I highly doubt that the death of one person is going to change all that much in the world. Life will proceed pretty much as normal tomorrow.


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93,

Enjoying the inputs still, from all sides. It also occurred to me that "connection" was probably not the right word. It rained today. To say that bin Laden's death and the rain are "connected" is really an absurdity.

What I was getting at is the overall change, if there is any, within the world due to his death, and how that may in the future effect the promulgation of the Law. Sure, as Los so eloquently pointed out, [Thelema is] "not some geopolitical movement"... or is it?

It is no surprise that there are various bodies that work arduously promulgating the Law of Thelema, working to reach it into the arms of even the most unsuspecting people. And why not? "it is the law to give". Just so, there is no world government that is strictly "Thelemic" and what-not. We've ran around that yard before, in a large case of what-ifs.

We could do so again. The fact remains though, that whether Crowley liked it or not, King Henry VIII legalizing divorce has had some impact on Thelema. Galileo's work has had an impact on Thelema, and the works of many other geniuses have done likewise, whether for good or ill. And yes, Osama bin Laden did demonstrate a stroke of genius and charisma, no matter what his intent was or how he chose to manifest it (Muslim Hitler wanna-be?). With the realm of genius, both positive and negative, as small as it is comparatively among the rest of the world's population, the study of genius itself is one that can be undertaken in the light of Thelema.

As well, his "successors", or those remaining after his death, may indeed find ways to continue their quests. Their quests do effect all of us, whether or not we choose to see it. To simply turn a blind eye is in my opinion neither responsible nor conductive to the execution of one's Will in many cases.

So while I'm not going to sit and try and point out some sort of quote from Liber AL, or run off about some "93 Current" jive, saying everything is everything, it is a proven fact that the price per barrel of imported oil directly effects the price per gallon that goes into your gas tank. The leaders of our nations, and they way they chose to organize and run the nations themselves effects the people in those nations, and the nations and people of those who would have dealings with them.

In everyday life, I like to follow a decent rule, "Do not dine with someone you don't respect." While this is fine and dandy, it doesn't quite work in politics. You can't simply ignore an organization like bin Laden built and expect it to go away. You have to interact with it on some level. And that interaction may indeed have long term effects on the promulgation of the Law of Thelema.

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"Azidonis" wrote:
You can't simply ignore an organization like bin Laden built and expect it to go away.

I don't think that bin Laden can be replaced, Az, regardless of when he actually died, so in that sense his org is, or has been, weaker without him. Hence, people whose doing their Wills involves airports, airplanes, and security in general are better off.


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I think you are all confusing the planes. Trust me I'm an air traffic controller. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ


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"OKontrair" wrote:
I think you are all confusing the planes. Trust me I'm an air traffic controller. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

LOL

Although by no means do I support the air traffic controllers, I have stood long overnight watches... Imagine sitting in an engine room on a rocking ship for hours on end, no reading material (unless Navy related, boring), nothing. It gets old after a while, and yes, we did take turns sleeping from time to time. We always made sure someone was awake though.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying it's human, and perhaps if they doubled the personnel on the shifts it would lighten the burden a bit.


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The elimination of a murdering religious fanatic from the world stage, a charismatic, brain-washing, mind enslaving (to those susceptible to the toxicity of extremist religious indoctrination) figure who advocated the stupidity of violence, can only make a more fertile ground for increasing the probability of Thelemic self-realization.

bin Laden wasn't a genius, he was a maniacal self-centered egomaniac, a traitor and enemy to the sanctity of life. And, sorry Stockhausen (whom I usually greatly admire), 911 wasn't art, it was a violent act against innocent people who no longer have the possibility of expressing their Wills in those incarnations. Killing people isn't art under any circumstances.


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"zardoz" wrote:
Killing people isn't art under any circumstances.

Some serial killers would disagree with that...


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"Azidonis" wrote:
You can't simply ignore an organization like bin Laden built and expect it to go away. You have to interact with it on some level. And that interaction may indeed have long term effects on the promulgation of the Law of Thelema.

Well the US hasn't been ignoring it, it's been dismantling it and killing the leaders. Of course it's difficult to do, but they're doing it. (Surely it's pretty obvious that if they hadn't, we would have seen quite a few more events like 9/11 and 7/7?) Such an organization doesn't in itself have much to do with Thelema, really, it's just another geopolitical event amongst geopolitical events. It's really the general tide one has to watch, not the particular seashells or bits of plastic tat washed up on the shore.

If there are geopolitical events that are "Thelemic", so far as I can see, it's more things like the end of so-called "Communism" at the end of the 80s, and the "Arab Spring" now. As I see it, the spread of liberal capitalist democracy around the globe, while obviously not Utopia, is like a kind of fertile soil for change.

As we here now are able to do in the relative safety of our own lives, more and more Muslims will be eventually be able to experiment with their lives more freely. That's a goodly chunk of the world's population.

And it's from that kind of gradual shifting of cultural tectonic plates, rather than any prescriptions or proscriptions from on high, or special super-events, that "Thelemic society" will arise. (That and scientific progress in general.)

Nobody actually knows what's the best way to live. Just as it's highly likely that there's no one best way to live, and more likely that there is rather a basket of closely-interrelated ways to live, suitable for different temperaments, etc., so it's also highly unlikely that any of the ideas people have had up till now have been wholly right (though there may be glimmerings of truth here and there).

But people who are free to associate, free to think and speak, are more likely to discover, for themselves, what the best way to live is. Others are then free to copy them if they are successful.

That's how it goes, not by Pope Crowley handing down the word from on high, or some secret cabal of stoned hippy S&M freaks ruling the world from the internet πŸ˜‰


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"N.O.X" wrote:
"zardoz" wrote:
Killing people isn't art under any circumstances.

Some serial killers would disagree with that...

LOL! I could never understand why they don't just switch to toast and eggs for their morning meal instead of taking their frustrations out on innocent grains and oats? πŸ˜€


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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

Jubilant celebration at the thought of death by gunshot to the head? We are definitely in the infancy of this new aeon. While it is sometimes my view that certian indivduals should be removed from material existance, I can hardly find reason for boisterous celebration in it. Is it possible for a beast to walk the earth whose inner light has gone out completely? Death is but a turning of the page for the individual no matter how it happens. I cannot see how this event will change the future growth and maturation of Thelema. It may change our personal freedoms, but they have been under attack for quite some time now. By whom? Who can say with any certianty?
What I do believe is that the United States is being bled. The real war is yet to come. I am inclined to start quoting from the Book of the Law but will not, everyone here can read and understand it for themselves.
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I felt that 9/11 was a call to Thelemites to start paying attention myself, all the numerical coincidences were too much. LOL


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I think speculating on the impact of bin laden's death has on Thelema is a little silly. I venture the event will have little effect (beyond the flamewar this thread is destined to devolve into). In reality I think Thelema as an exoteric movement is really little more than a blip on the radar of the world. Perhaps the Aeon is young, perhaps it will grow, I have no idea. I'm not particularly interested in that aspect of Crowley's "grand plan." As an esoteric movement Thelema reflects a zeitgeist taking shape independent of the writing of TBOTL. The world was shifting already and Crowley's work was a response to it, not a catalyst for it. There were many other men and women who's art reflected the same shifts in values and ideals. They were receivers of the same transmission, so to speak.

What all this does make me consider is the martial nature of Thelema and Liber AL. It seems to me there is a very real violence and aggression inherent in the works of Crowley and the third chapter of Liber AL. I man this is "Solar Phallicisim." This aspect of Thelema tends to be played down considerably in most circles. I'd not ask that it take the forefront but it does seem to me that the martial aspects of Thelema are minimized while the more palatable aspects accentuated. Even the OTO is modeled on a military order with overwhelming images of soldiers and battles. And while this may all be allegory the archetypes it taps into are potent and the intention is to stir the same strong emotions as any march or propaganda missive.


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"einDoppelganger" wrote:
I man this is "Solar Phallicisim."

Er, that should read "I mean" but somehow the typo is fitting πŸ˜‰


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"einDoppelganger" wrote:
As an esoteric movement Thelema reflects a zeitgeist taking shape independent of the writing of TBOTL. The world was shifting already and Crowley's work was a response to it, not a catalyst for it. There were many other men and women who's art reflected the same shifts in values and ideals. They were receivers of the same transmission, so to speak.

I wonder, Scott, seriously, if we really need Crowley at all for an inquiry thus defined? Seriously, do we?


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Cam, are you implying that Crowley set off the massive cultural and social shifts taking place as the Edwardian era turned? Seriously?
Its seems like culturally short sighted tunnel vision to believe the shift away from Victorian morality that eventually culminated into the 60 counterculture project was a direct result of the Book of the Law. (By the way I'd venture that that this project in liberation ended in 1969 when the other face of the Aeon began to show through the cracks.) While AC was taken up as a symbol for the 60s youth movement I'd venture that was when his cultural influence peaked in circles outside the insular world of occultists.

Crowley's work was part of that shifting in tides. As WB Yeats noted the borders of the mind are shifting and sometimes overlap. Its like trying to claim that Voltaire was operating in a vacuum and his work was divinely inspired and the sole catalyst for the Republican Revolutions of America and France...

There is plenty to take from Crowley's work without bestowing upon him and his movement a cultural influence it most certianly does not merit on the world stage as it exists today. By this logic you suggest we dont need Ida Craddock, Oscar Wilde, Baudelaire, or any number of other libertarians and libertines who worked just before or after AC...

Do you have any thoughts on the second part of my post. I think that applies more directly to the thread. If you are keen to continue this of discussion I'd ask you quote me in a new thread to avoid diverting this one too far off target. I will reply there.

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No, Scott, I was seriously wondering if we really need AC and his other baggage in the inquiry as you define it. But never mind, we don't want to derail an important thread over it. πŸ˜‰


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"Camlion" wrote:
No, Scott, I was seriously wondering if we really need AC and his other baggage in the inquiry as you define it. But never mind, we don't want to derail an important thread over it. πŸ˜‰

Thelema as a philosophical model does require AC for it's discussion as he conceived it...Its like discussing Dianetics without Hubbard or Objectivism without Rand... I don't think I get what you are getting at... the invitation to discuss further outside this thread is sill open.

incidently,

"einDoppelganger" wrote:
As an esoteric movement Thelema reflects a zeitgeist...

should read exoteric - not esoteric. My apologies for the mistake - my autocorrect lacks exoteric and only the esoteric πŸ˜› how annoying!

In any case I still think...

"What all this does make me consider is the martial nature of Thelema and Liber AL... I'd not ask that it take the forefront but it does seem to me that the martial aspects of Thelema are minimized while the more palatable aspects accentuated...the archetypes it taps into are potent and the intention is to stir the same strong emotions as any march or propaganda missive."


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93,

"einDoppelganger" wrote:
Do you have any thoughts on the second part of my post. I think that applies more directly to the thread. If you are keen to continue this of discussion I'd ask you quote me in a new thread to avoid diverting this one too far off target. I will reply there.

Cheers
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Unlike some other threads, this thread was meant to be a sort of "cultural catch-all". Its aim and scope was the future in light of the present, but the past is part of it too.

The past brought us to where we are, wherever that may be. The present will bring us into the future as it slowly east away at the running tail of the 'future ouraboros'.

Without some of the past influences (both human [ie. bin Laden] and non-human) in the world's culture, who's to say where we'd be? Without both the past and present ones, how can we possibly get an idea of what the future may bring?

It is in this light too, that I really made this thread. So please guys, do continue. πŸ™‚

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"Azidonis" wrote:
The past brought us to where we are, wherever that may be. The present will bring us into the future as it slowly east away at the running tail of the 'future ouraboros'.

WTF!?

Without some of the past influences (both human [ie. bin Laden] and non-human) in the world's culture, who's to say where we'd be? Without both the past and present ones, how can we possibly get an idea of what the future may bring?

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hmmm, now time for my water-cress sandwich.


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I go with the idea he's still at large.


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guys come on now...

this is a real topic worth discussion!


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"einDoppelganger" wrote:
guys come on now...

this is a real topic worth discussion!

Seconded.


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aww thats such a cute ducky πŸ™‚ and mr bean lol.

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"einDoppelganger" wrote:
incidently,

"einDoppelganger" wrote:
As an esoteric movement Thelema reflects a zeitgeist...

should read exoteric - not esoteric. My apologies for the mistake - my autocorrect lacks exoteric and only the esoteric πŸ˜› how annoying!

Oh. Okay. πŸ™‚

Anyway, I'm sure that Crowley would be pleased to know that he remains relevant to Thelema. πŸ˜‰


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heh, amazing what a typo can do. πŸ™‚

Yeah, I never meant to imply he wasn't relevant to Thelema. I just mean that "Thelema" itself was conceived out of an already shifting zeitgeist and not a catalyst for great cultural change. That does not diminish its validity as a worldview or set of principals. I did intend to point out the lack of influence Thelema has at all on the world. I'm sure this will not be a popular thing to note but we have to be honest about it. World events may impact it to some tiny degree but I still don't see how the death of bin laden relates.


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"einDoppelganger" wrote:
I did intend to point out the lack of influence Thelema has at all on the world.

Well, I would agree if you said the "the lack of widely recognized or credited influence." It's not always immediately obvious what causes change in the world, and sometimes its never fully appreciated at all. πŸ™‚


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"Camlion" wrote:
Well, I would agree if you said the "the lack of widely recognized or credited influence." It's not always immediately obvious what causes change in the world, and sometimes its never fully appreciated at all. πŸ™‚

Well put, I ccan see your point with that πŸ™‚


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Never thought I'd find a use for this one....

Crap I know. 😳


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Well, if the death of Bin Laden and a lessening influence of Al Quaeda in Afghanistan means that the former warlords can increase their opium and heroin production (greater than it already is), that's certainly going to affect the lives of a lot of Thelemites, just as it is going to affect the life of anyone who lives in a Big City and gets to deal with AIDS-infested junky crack-heads on a daily basis. But I think it will have a neglibable effect on Thelema, other than the predictable back-lash of Pro-American/Pro-Christian racism and religious intolerance against all Muslims, Sikhs, Hindis, Buddhists, and religious fringe movements like us and (oh, say) the Branch Davidians.


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I'm sad at the number of people here who seem to believe in conspiracy theories. It makes me feel like for some people Thelema is just another whacky idea they have.


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The two don't follow. I know people who like conspiracy theories but are still committed Thelemites. On the other hand I know people who aren't attracted to conspiracy theories, but whose attraction to Thelema seems little more than a penchant for the exotic.


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πŸ˜† I just saw an advertisement for the "Justice Coin" commemorating the "Operation Geronimo" that killed Osama. Its says on one side "You can run but you cannot hide" with some Navy Seals on it. It comes with maps and operation information. I found this hilarious so I thought I post it. The link is, I think, www.justicecoin.com πŸ˜†


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"N.O.X" wrote:
πŸ˜† I just saw an advertisement for the "Justice Coin" commemorating the "Operation Geronimo" that killed Osama. Its says on one side "You can run but you cannot hide" with some Navy Seals on it. It comes with maps and operation information. I found this hilarious so I thought I post it. The link is, I think, www.justicecoin.com πŸ˜†

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William Thirteen
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and a bargain at only $99!


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I didn't realise they called it "Operation Geronimo". Given that in the debate about Crowley's attitude to race it is occasionally suggested that his opinions were of the time he lived, it's interesting to see that apartheid and vilification of the last few of the remaining native population are still going strong in America. πŸ™„


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"t's interesting to see that apartheid and vilification of the last few of the remaining native population are still going strong in America"

..Yep, still going strong...a bold conclusion...Hilarious !

Zimbabwe is calling.

PS:
Adam Curtis has a new doc out on BBC "All Watched over by Machines of Loving Grace" about the individual, the system and the damage done, fascinating stuff


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 Anonymous
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I have no idea who they conned into valuing that "justice coin" at $99. It's made of brass and then gold plated so it's worth about $10, if that.


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I always thought it was quite synchronous and providential how Flight 93 during 9/11 had the number 93 in it and was supposedly the one that had Hero's in it and took down the planes before it crashed.

If you look at "The Stone of Gold" United States = 191 and if you move around the digits in it, it can spell out 9/11, an undeniable providential prophecy.

Love = 52
Law = 54
Super = 52
Hero = 54

My name Cesar Rodriguez = United States = 191 but I am also known as 888 or 999. I always thought that perhaps these providential synchronous connections could be pointing out to the fact that perhaps it would be like an alert that if for some reason the United States were ever to get attacked again by terrorists it would be necessary for ever citizen to invoke Ra-Hoor-Khuit and go to war. I think it's an interesting idea.

"71. Hail! ye twin warriors about the pillars of the world! for your time is nigh at hand." - The Book of the Law

Think about the name of my Blog, Blog 93, perhaps it's a call to arms.

I think our current President also has a very special numeration. Obama = 95 and Heart = 95, I always thought this to obviously mean he is a like a Heart symbol to the country as portrayed by "The Stone of Gold" and it would be important to protect him.


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"selflessone" wrote:
If you look at "The Stone of Gold" United States = 191 and if you move around the digits in it, it can spell out 9/11, an undeniable providential prophecy.

What on earth does this have to do with the life, work and legacy of Aleister Crowley, selflessone?

Actually, don't bother to respond - I've just seen that this is one of a series of similar posts. If your previous interactions with this site are anything to go by, you will soon follow these up with an embarrassed request that I delete them.

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