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Posted by: @kidneyhawk

It's my thought that the Aeon of Ma'at witnesses the restoration of Christianity.

Scandalous. Because you take John's Revelation prophetically? Or? I'd hear more of this. 

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Nema's 1974 channelling as the Word of Maat?

Also scandalous. Haven't had a chance to read it yet. Is that Liber Pennae Praenumbra?


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Posted by: @dom

Maybe reread what I wrote.

Well, I did (re-read). And to think I purposely read it twice before posting ... because I couldn't believe what you wrote. Perhaps the word not was invisible to my failing vision. In any case, you summed it up in half a sentence, whereas I ran on for four lines, and I withdraw my enquiry in spirit, but not in print, because it's engraved in stone ... forever.


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Also scandalous. Haven't had a chance to read it yet. Is that Liber Pennae Praenumbra?

Yeah check it out anyone who says this is not a beautiful poem is liar imo.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Well, I did (re-read). And to think I purposely read it twice before posting ... because I couldn't believe what you wrote. Perhaps the word not was invisible to my failing vision. In any case, you summed it up in half a sentence, whereas I ran on for four lines, and I withdraw my enquiry in spirit, but not in print, because it's engraved in stone ... forever.

I'll clarify, Barter compared the "us" in AL to the "us" in The Lord's Prayer but the "us" in the former appears to be for Thelemites only whereas in the latter the "us" appears to be for all.   

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Notice the appeal to community-spirit in Christ's prayer as oppose to I , me and my;

Our ...Give us  ... forgive us ... we ... us ...us 

Cf. with "My number is 11, as all their numbers who are of us" - (AL I:60), "... the highest are of us... who sorroweth is not of us" (AL II:19), (Etc...).

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Yes 'us' as in not humanity at large. ...  in the latter [Prayer] the "us" appears to be for all.

You didn't say anything about "us" being "for all" or "humanity at large" - you're adding that afterwards - but what, are these words from "Christ's/the Lord's" Prayer now intended to include all heathens non-Christians as well as believers? 

You pointed out an appeal to "community spirit", but the extracts from AL I quoted (and those from other passages there too) themselves constitute the same "community spirit" which you were getting at - in the sense of those "servants who are few and secret", as Shiva in fact correctly indicated.  (At the same time this would also be opposed to, and distinct from, your purely subjective one person of "I, me, mine my".)  "Few" is still more than just the one person, and a "community (spirit)" could easily be described as consisting of a "few" (not including all or everybody).

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Do you view Nema's 1974 channelling as the Word of Maat?

Yes, the Word of Maat is given there (in Liber Pennae Praenumbra, whether you chose to view it that way or not) as 'IPSOS' ("By the same mouth").

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It's my thought that the Aeon of Ma'at witnesses the restoration of Christianity.

Scandalous. Because you take John's Revelation prophetically? Or? I'd hear more of this. 

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Nema's 1974 channelling as the Word of Maat?

Also scandalous. Haven't had a chance to read it yet. Is that Liber Pennae Praenumbra

I have no firm opinion on Nema's work or her PP channeling. As I am led to understand, Grant was not immediately taken with it but would later come back to re-examine and regard it highly. I may follow suit but it has not been of any significant influence on my thinking or practice. I have had minimal contact with Nema. When I did, she was very gracious and kind. I may come around to study this work more closely. Who knows?

 

I have always been more intrigued by Achad and his Ma'atian revelations. Perhaps this was because of his proximity to Crowley. After all, were it not for my fascination with Crowley himself, I'd have no idea who all these other players were! I met Achad early on in Bill Breeze's intro to Liber Aleph (which I acquired before I even had a copy or knew what the Book of the Law WAS!).

 

My words re: Christianity and its “Restoration” are in context of both Achad and William Blake. I don't see “Christianity” as anything resembling the Evangelical/Fundamentalist view of things. I also see it as a “Religion of the Future.”

 

Crowley's Thelema presents us with an immediate scenario of Three Aeons. Horus seems hell-bent on fighting against the former but Isis is generally untouched. Funny as his Isis Aeon not only gave us Taoism, it gave us the Moasaic Law, old “Nobodaddy” thundering from the sky.

 

Wait. It also gave us all the Egypto stuff Crowley wove into his “New Religion.”

 

What a mixed bag!

 

Likewise, wasn't it that despicable “Aeon of Osiris” which gave us the Gnostic Cults which would resurge with Nag Hammadi, Phillip Dick, The Matrix, Quantum Physics? 2000 years of growth into knowledge, freedom from religious tyranny....

 

...oh wait (again). We STILL have that going on. In fact, in our brave new Horusian world, we've got women getting stoned and men getting crucified. And I THINK those might be our ALLIES!

 

Quantum Physics (!!!) and humans are STILL nailing each other to crosses!

 

There is a machine which will co-opt ANYTHING. We have all seen it in our own lifetimes. It absorbs everything from Buddhism to Punk Rock. It will eat the latter and give you Deepak Chopra and Green Day. It gobbled up the religion of the Nazarene a long time ago. Really, it made short work of the Hawk-Headed one. How long did it take to turn DWTW as the WHOLE of the “Law” into a MUCH larger Law with its own set of THOU SHALT NOTs?

 

“MAGICK IS FOR ALL” proclaimed my first copy of Magick in Theory and Practice.

 

Then Duplexity, Inc said “Pretenders need not apply.”

 

The same bloated Moloch sits atop the heap of bodies. New masks for the naked emperor.

 

So what was I talking about....?

 

Oh, the AEONS!

 

There is a wonderful company of Gods, Avatars, Adepts. They are the counter-balance to the Elohim who sought to restrain the fallen fire in a 3-D pen. And THEY do not work within “expiration dates.”

 

An AEON is an AION, not a carton of milk.

 

I don't really care how much a bunch of dues paying juvenile Thelemite wanna-be's think it's squee-ville to spit on someone named Jesus. Not anymore than how much a bunch of Evangelical morons want to think that God is all into their bullshit coin-collecting ministries and dogmatic exclusivities.

 

There is a reason AL refers to the FEW and SECRET.

 

So to conclude:

 

Nema was very nice to me and (I gather) nice to pretty much everyone who got in touch with her. She's clearly an unusual and amazing powerhouse of a person. I just have not gone deeply into her PP channeling and so I can't say much about it. I am much more interested in Jones and his angle. But I do think Nema is very respect-worthy.

 

The Aeon of Maat will see the resurgence of Christianity as a deep and profound path within the Anatomy of the Body of God. But this Maatian Christianity is not an exclusive dogma. The Initiatory Impulse and Path is a matter of Existential Ontology.

 

An aspect of what we might call the Higher Consciousness is an ability to interpret symbols. When new symbols arise, these may be understood from the Interior Spaces. This is both Psychic and Intellectual.

 

Ergo, the Buddha Nature recognizes the Buddha Nature and the Wisdom of the Buddhas is communicated between Buddhas.

 

Or Christs.


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Posted by: @kidneyhawk

 

...oh wait (again). We STILL have that going on. In fact, in our brave new Horusian world, we've got women getting stoned and men getting crucified. And I THINK those might be our ALLIES!

Yeah, Life in the Fast Lane can be interesting when we can see Life in the Slow Lane still going on. Obviously, like the yugas, the aeons also roll out on a different timetable for different nations and cultures.

 


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Obviously, like the yugas, the aeons also roll out on a different timetable for different nations and cultures.

And INDIVIDUALS.

THIS is the Path of MAGICK.

Above, Beyond and yet Within.

"In the World but not OF it."

Nothing that WAS is NOT. But what may BE is bristling about our Brains and within our grasp.

That's the Gospel (AL-ian "Glad Word"). It's also the big taboo.

Cults don't do so well when the members wake up and become the Stars they ARE.

I recently learned that Scientology has numerous Operating Thetan Levels.

Clear is Clear.

If a Guru isn't ready to "kiss the Joy as it flies" (i.e. watch you LEAVE), they have no Liberating Teaching.

True Gurus make no money. They are typically ignored, overlooked and passed by.

Oprah wouldn't know one if it bit her in the ass.  

 


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Posted by: @kidneyhawk

And INDIVIDUALS.

I guess you didn't get around to reading Appendix IV in Hot Zones yet. Or maybe you did. It exposes the inaccuracy of the external Theory of the Aeons, but admits our planet is now in Horusland. But the main theme is that the Aeon structure fits perfectly into each individual's life. We only get one of these, so it behoves anyone to try and reach the 4th Maat Aeon before expiring on the Horus battlefield.

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recently learned that Scientology has numerous Operating Thetan Levels.

Clear is Clear.

Don't try to confuse me when I'm already confused.

According to my QBL roster, there are 7 levels of preliminary training. I don't know how it works now, but at level 4, one used to be required to work for a higher grade scientologist, and rent a room from the same upper rank. That way, if you became difficult, your pad and your job could be made uncomfortable or withdrawn.

Level 8 is "Clear." In this case, Clear in not Clear. It contains all kinds of repressed insanity that 8 levels of "clearing" failed to completely clear. Bad banishing. Clears have been known to come unglued in public.

Now those Operative Thetans (OT) have at least 7 grades going up. OT1, OT2, etc. These are the dangerous dudes. The higher their number, the more dangerous they are. I ended up matching energies with an OT in the vast and well-appointed reception area and waiting room of their HQ ... while I, and my cohorts, were operating under a full dose of legal Sandoz LSD-25.

I would not want to do that again, now, so I suggest we send Ignant in. He thrives on danger. Maybe Chris can accompany him. I will provide the talismans for protection and Tiger will write it up in a new thread he opens.

 


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I always hoped one of those proselytizing Scientology dudes would approach me on the street for a 'free personality test' but I never had the pleasure.  They seem to be an endangered species. 

Peace be with you. 


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Also scandalous. Haven't had a chance to read it yet. Is that Liber Pennae Praenumbra?

Yeah check it out anyone who says this is not a beautiful poem is liar imo.

It was interesting. If I take it seriously, then it diverges a little from what I expected from Maat. I was expecting more of a harsher Libra vibe - Venus and Saturn - Justice/Adjustment. Instead, it seemed mostly Venusian and focused more on Maat as the weigher of the heart. 

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

I have always been more intrigued by Achad and his Ma'atian revelations.

I've read Anatomy of the Body of God, but it was really so long ago that I need to see it with fresh eyes. The illustrations in it really opened some concepts up to me. I don't remember any Maatian revelations in it, but it has been a long time. Could you point me to something of that which you find interesting, please? 

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To both of you whom I quoted:  I have always imagined the Aeon of Maat as balancing between the spiritual paths of Osiris and Horus, both cults existing, but that could be because I myself felt hung between the two for so long. I don't base this on anything that I've read - just my own Libran "Let's all get along - or else!"


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Posted by: @shiva

I suggest we send Ignant in. He thrives on danger.

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I always hoped one of those proselytizing Scientology dudes would approach me on the street for a 'free personality test' but I never had the pleasure. 

I used to see them a lot at the 125th St and Lex Ave subway station when i worked up in Harlem in the early 2000s; trying to get a few non-white members i suppose.

I took great pleasure in shouting "Xenu! Xenu!" at them. I believe that merely hearing that dread name leads to certain insanity within 6 months if one is not an Operating Thetan. Pretty sure the ones out hustling with clipboards are not often OTs.


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Pretty sure the ones out hustling with clipboards are not often OTs.

Course not 🙂  I wonder how 'high' Tom Cruise is...

A guy whose experiences in Scientology were largely positive, who always stayed 'independent' and was L R Hubbard's personal secretary for a time is Peter Moon.  His books Montauk Book of the Dead, and Montauk Book the Living and LR Hubbard and the Tao of Insanity are very interesting.  He left the movement in the 80s when it started to go even more money oriented and less about teaching.

 

Christianity. 


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The drones with clipboards will sometimes give you a free copy of Dianetics if you do not shout "Xenu!" at them. Or just wait til you get the book to do so. There are a few bits of original insight by Hubbard, and a lot stolen from AC and Theosophy, underneath all the sci-fi bullshit; it is worth reading, 

And of course the Process Church of the Final Judgement were early Scientology "squirrels" who used e-meters, at least early on, though my impression is that faded out after a while.

 


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Posted by: @ignant666

There are a few bits of original insight by Hubbard, and a lot stolen from AC and Theosophy, underneath all the sci-fi bullshit; it is worth reading, 

I actually somewhat enjoyed reading Dianetics a few years ago.  But yes as you mentioned there was sooooooooo much stolen from AC, and also Taoism and basic energy clearing techniques common to all 'true' practises. 

 


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Posted by: @christibrany

I always hoped one of those proselytizing Scientology dudes would approach me on the street

You need to hang out in a zone where they are prevalent, like in an area near a building where they live or congregate. Your chances would increase greatly if you hung a sign around your neck saying, "I am stupid."

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I don't remember any Maatian revelations in it

I don't remember Achad being into Maat during his book publishing days. The Maat stuff came later ... after he expressed his Horus stuff in those books.

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I have always imagined the Aeon of Maat as balancing between the spiritual paths of Osiris and Horus

That's a good start. But there's no need to be specific. All opposites need equilibrating. This Maat stuff is attributed to Binah. The "Aeon of Maat" won't be available to large chunks of humanity 'til there a bunch of Magisters walking (or sitting) around.  AC even defined it for us: MAAT = "Magister Templi A.'.A.'.."

I see a lot of folks trying to define Maat in other (past) terms. When the terms and the concepts give way to direct perception (i.e., "intuition" or "understanding"), then we'll have moved into the parking lot of the ballpark.

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it is worth reading, 

I will take your word on that. I couldn't get through it all. I believe there was some Magick done that involved a trash can.

 


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Posted by: @shiva

Now those Operative Thetans (OT) have at least 7 grades going up. OT1, OT2, etc.

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I wonder how 'high' Tom Cruise is...

I seem to remember reading he was an OT7, and that only Miscavige was publically known to be above him on OT8.  Although there are apparently 15 of them (likewise with "Clear" - which is not just "Clear" - there are meant to be at least 6 Grades of.)  Oh, what will they all do when the high ones have all gone and with no Elron around to make up more??

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I always hoped one of those proselytizing Scientology dudes would approach me on the street for a 'free personality test' but I never had the pleasure.  They seem to be an endangered species.

It didn't used to be difficult (pre-Covid): you only needed to wander past one of their offices and they would come up to you to make you an offer (which you could refuse) and then try to sign you up on one of their mailing lists (which would quite likely be for the next billion years life).

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I believe that merely hearing that dread name leads to certain insanity within 6 months if one is not an Operating Thetan.

This used to be said would happen instantaneously after reading Elron's withdrawn magnum-opus "Excalibur" as well (which was available on the web at one time, I don't know if it still is.  I read some of it once and am still here & of sound mind, if I say so myself... Maybe I just didn't read (far) enough?!)

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I don't really care how much a bunch of dues paying juvenile Thelemite wanna-be's think it's squee-ville to spit on someone named Jesus. Not anymore than how much a bunch of Evangelical morons want to think that God is all into their bullshit coin-collecting ministries and dogmatic exclusivities.

 

There is a reason AL refers to the FEW and SECRET.

 

 

Yeah Christianity is  actually literally promoted as being exclusive in that Christ said (directly or indirectly) the same in the following parables “For many are invited, but few are chosen.”;

The Net - Matthew 13:47-50

Marriage Feast or Great Banquet - Matthew 22:1-14

 

 

Not anymore than how much a bunch of Evangelical morons want to think that God is all into their bullshit coin-collecting ministries and dogmatic exclusivities.

 

 

Yeah I used to be very cynical about Evangelical ministries and the congregation's tithes but the amoral cut-throat gun-toting gangs of the U.S.A. (one tiny example of how evil and The Devil manifests) hold that same cynical bad attitude.  One can preach the good news in some city centre or street corner or it can be done in a building with facilities, money is needed to do the latter. 

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Posted by: @dom

Yeah ... Yeah

The actual word is "Yes" - you've made this same substitution on many occasions before, but I can't help wondering: is it really that much easier and more labour-saving for you to go through the process of typing out four letters each time instead of three?  Is the idea to give the impression you're such a "cash" (as in casual) & laid-back individual (rather than simply an ungrammatical oaf, say)?

Casually enquiring,

N Joy


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Yeah ... Yeah

The actual word is "Yes" - you've made this same substitution on many occasions before, but I can't help wondering: is it really that much easier and more labour-saving for you to go through the process of typing out four letters each time instead of three?  Is the idea to give the impression you're such a "cash" (as in casual) & laid-back individual (rather than simply an ungrammatical oaf, say)?

Casually enquiring,

N Joy

Who are you?

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Who are you?

The name's Barter - Mister Barter, to you!

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Who are you?

The name's Barter - Mister Barter, to you!

N Joy

What a sensitive shoot. 

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What a sensitive shoot.

?

You asked me a question; I gave you the answer in clear, straightforward and unambiguous English (after Ian Fleming) like the helpful and amenable cove which I am.  So what's there to be sensitive about?  Whatever do you mean?  Please reply likewise.

Straight shootingly yours,

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Are you OT?

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Are you OT?

Nay fellow, I'm NOT! (What is that to do with sensitive shooting & its ilk?)

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Please explaing why your are not an Operative Thetan Operating (OTO) ... yet.


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