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David Lemieux
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Regarding AL III,18: “Mercy let be off: damn them who pity! Kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!”

This is a WTF Crowley moment.  Note how Crowley mentions the Great War and the World War One flu epidemic, is he insinuating that GAIA is a functional living Darwinist i.e. The Earth Goddess only permits so many tainted stock (his words) to thrive before SHE does something about it?  War, pandemics etc?  He changed his mind about Jewish genocide in his edited version.   

 

The Old Comment

18. An end to the humanitarian mawkishness which is destroying the human race by the deliberate artificial protection of the unfit.

The New Comment

What has been the net result of our fine 'Christian' phrases? In the good old days there was some sort of natural selection; brains and stamina were necessary to survival. The race, as such consequently improved. But we thought we knew oh! so much better, and we had “Christ's law” and other slush. So the unfit crowded and contaminated the fit, until Earth herself grew nauseated with the mess. We had not only a war which killed some eight million men, in the flower of their age, picked men at that, in four years, but a pestilence which killed six million in six months.

Are we going to repeat the insanity? Should we not rather breed humanity for quality by killing off any tainted stock, as we do with other cattle? And exterminating the vermin which infect it, especially Jews and Protestant Christians? Catholic Christians are really Pagans at heart; there is usually good stuff in them, particularly in Latin countries. They only need to be instructed in the true meaning of their faith to reflect the false veils.

An XXI Sol in Cancer After some years spent in Catholic countries, I wish to modify the above. Catholics are dead alike to Spirituality and to Reason, as bad as Protestants. And the Jew is far from hopeless outside America, where the previous paragraph was written.

This topic was modified 2 months ago 2 times by David Lemieux

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George Washington attacked the British on Christmas Eve!...And yes AC is right to attack the Christian hypocrisy that would murder "some eight million men, in the flower of their age" ...Well when the troops stopped fighting during the 1914 Christmas Truce, thanks to the Pope, they should have taken the orders to resume fighting by turning around and murdering the officer classes and then on to back home to bayonet the bankers, exchequers, the parasitical weak politicians, the yellow press hawking war, and other scions of the murder machine, munitions manufacturers...and Therion could have been such a catalyst and leader, but no the cowering soldiers boys had a gun to their head if they did not go over the top!...Civilization of suicide...get your shot, its voluntary!

And basically AC would just play into the slaughter, and where ironically he lost Boleskine, to the German hating Cowie (As he mentions in the comment to III. 34)

"Taking the "holy place" to be Boleskine House, it has already been subjected to a sort of destruction. It was presented by me to the O.T.O. and sold in order to obtain funds for the publication of The Equinox Volume III. But the proceeds of the sale were mostly stolen by the then Grand Treasurer General of the Order, one George MacNie Cowie, who became obsessed by the vulgarest form of hate against the Germans, despite my warnings, with reference to verse 59 of this chapter. He became insane, and behaved with the blackest treachery, this theft being but a small portion of his infamies. The incident was necessary to my own initiation. New Comment III. 34


   
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Deuteronomy 25:17–19, 

Deuteronomy 25:16–18

1 Samuel 15:1–9


   
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

It was presented by me to the O.T.O. and sold in order to obtain funds for the publication of The Equinox Volume III. But the proceeds of the sale were mostly stolen by the then Grand Treasurer General ...

What a cad!  A regular Elron!

Thank you. Somehow my memory bank(rupture) is missing this data. My bank knows that AC ran out of funds at some point, and that he had trouble getting the last (#X) out ... because his inheritance had been blown. The bank had no idea how Boleskine passed out of his hands. Now I understand.

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The incident was necessary to my own initiation.

Yeah. That's the way it works sometimes. Just when you're on the brink of getting somewhere (like launching the OTO in America in a blue book), the initiatory process yanks the rug (and the money) out from under your gnose.

This is necessary, as pointed out by AC, so that the potential King gets any sense of "success" or "finally getting somewhere" completely knocked out. In this case, AC had spent all his wealth and transferred his remaing holy castle to the Tong, who (being he) sold it to get money - some of which would finance The Blue Equinox, a fine volume if there ever was one.

Surely, there would have been some money left over, after Equinoxing, and rather than allow Baphomet X to cruise quietly on this own laundered funds, Cowie decided to fight Germany.

There is a great lesson here, in multiple dimensions, so I suppose I'll list them (the dimensions (the individual lessons)(LAShTAL is not a teaching site, so these "lessons" must be considered my own opinion, being able to comment thereupon based on my own cosmic experience of having lost it all, three times ...

1. What kind of an org allows a Grand Treas Gen to simply steal the Tong's funds without some check/balance system? This question is a lesson. You figure out the answer. It's simple.

2. What kind of org, which does not require Work to advance, puts its treasure chest in the hands of someone who obviously didn't (do the work)? This question is a lesson in itself. The answer is, in relation to orgs or govs, that nothing will work out properly, ever, unless the org or gov is staffed by initiates. This means real initiates, who have passed through the crises and realignments that the initiatory process bestows on folks who do the work. Not the folks who just paid their fees and dues in advance in order to go through a dramatic ritual play to which every man and woman has an indefeasible right to the first three degrees. No, not them.

3. There is a recurring theme here. Perhaps a significant factor runs throughout the vrious rites when the initiatory process takes hold. After all, every rite has the candidate captured, stripped, drowned, murdered, or some other atrocious  loss of everything. 

Now, if one has the proper link(s), and a suitable libation, and one does these rites, as an initiator (solo or trid) or as the can.'., I guarantee the initiatory process will "take hold." This means every can.'. who survives the rite (most do) is then going to go out in the world and, in slow motion, live that rite in the realm of daily-life.

As a personal note, I will publickly confess that this is the reason, at a certain point (1973), that I soundly renounced any further working in the types of rites presented in the Oriental Templar lineage (Saladin, Enoch, RC, Templar, Illuminati, Gnosis) - because if they take hold, I was not prepared to deal with students who were in jail, dead, running from the FBI (as was my turn), and all the other complications that come about when you play with potent historical rites. A conflict with The Establishment is built into every one of these (Masonic-Arabic-Teutonic) rites. Everybody gets what they paid for, in advance.

Interestingly, the rites of the A.'.A.'. do not evoke this effect (of conflict with The Establishment). Student cans.'. are simply not chased by the police. They do not end up in court or jail, or the Morg. The A.'.A.'. rites certainly do the job of taking everything away in their dramatic presentation. In Pyramidos (I=10), the candidate is bound, stripped, whipped, stabbed, and oiled, In The Tuat (2=9), all is abandoned or taken away in order to get reduced to primal life force in order to get through the narrow crack in order to rise like the sun).

So, yeah, A.'.A.'. aspirants end up going through losses and interesting lifestyles, but the Conflict with The Establishment is missing. Possibly because there is no group pushing The Establishment's Envelope. 

Homework Lesson (optional if you're just auditing) ...

Consider the following:

Grady McMurtry once asked R.A. Wilson, "Why is the Gnosis always getting busted?"

Now answer this:

"Why is the Gnosis always getting ripped off?"

 


   
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I told you all that Crowley and that Thelema is a Fascist, proto-Nazi ideology, but of course, you wouldn't listen.  Crowley despised Jews and Negroes, among other racial, and religious types.  (And frankly!), that is what I love about him


   
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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

Crowley despised Jews and Negroes, among other racial, and religious types.

Why do suppose he was so fond of being sodomized by Jews and "Negroes" (we mostly call them black folks for the last 50 years or so, BTW), then?

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@ignant666 I just knew that I would get a rise out of you from my posting my incendiary comment.   Pushing your buttons is as easy as a pressing a cell phone.  Any way your comments are far more "abusive" and "homophobic" and "defamatory" than anything I ever wrote.  So, get off your high horse Mr. Genius. 


   
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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

Pushing your buttons is as easy as a pressing a cell phone. 

Yes, you have upset me terribly. Take your meds, and try to lay off the booze until at least noon, maybe?

 


   
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@ignant666 Same to you fella!


   
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For clarification, Shiva's exceptionally important comment, concerns not something I said, but rather  AC's New Comment to III.34 


   
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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

I told you all that Crowley and that Thelema is a Fascist, proto-Nazi ideology, but of course, you wouldn't listen.

Oh, Toad! You're still alive. What with all the death and destruction going on, I was [not] worried, but at least "concerned" (a minor form of dharana distraction breaking).

I didn't need to listen. I already figured out about the pitfalls of joining orgs that are NOT led by true 8=3s.

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

I would get a rise

The validity of your claim of successful evocation depends on your motivation - which will soon be revealed by inquisitory penetration. But not by me.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Shiva's exceptionally important comment, concerns not something I said, but rather  AC's New Comment to III.34

Yes, the AI software does that all the time. If you quote AC, and I [block]quote that quote, it appears as if YOU said it, which you didn't, you merely repeated it.

This is a fine example of how History gets Screwed Up and Twisted. Just think - 400 years from now, digital fragments found in radioactive waste piles will show that YOU said the words that caused civilization to collapse.

In terms of my "exceptionally important comment," I would further comment: "Yes, this comment exposes the fatal flaw at the heart of Political Spiritualism, or is it Spiritual Politics?

I believe I shall "COPY" that comment, so that I don't have to write it out again. It (the comment) may be summarized as ...

It is easier for a Camel
to get through the Needle
than for a Rich Man to enter
The Kingdom of Heaven
But a Rich Man can easily
pay his dues in advance
to join a Tong that
does no work

Then, according to the Song
everything begins to go Wrong


   
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@ignant666 

 

Obvious bait is obvious.

 

Let's not give anyone more outrage to masturbate to. Especially not people who said they were leaving the site weeks ago.


   
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Posted by: @katrice

people who said they were leaving the site weeks ago.

When the Dead Come Back was a chapter in one of Manly P. Hall's illustrated books.

 


   
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@katrice Yeah, well, I changed my mind.  (Isn't that a women's prerogative also?)  That proves I am not a male chauvinist pig after all. Oink Oink!   How can you respect Aleister Crowley who based his life using and abusing women?  (Or any one he came into contact with.)  Don't get me wrong. I totally dig his scene.


   
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@shiva Thank you.  Your concern for my wellbeing is most appreciated.  When the Star Chamber is finished with me, you will learn my motivation was purely revenge for revenge's sake.  I was unjustly slighted, and I demand justice (Just like the Tarot card).  Crowley would not have expected less from me. 


   
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Fair enough, @katrice, but my question is, i think, a tough one to answer for all the "AC was so scared of blacks and Jews, just like me" imbeciles (and the rare clever one, too). Why did he like getting fucked in the ass by blacks and Jews then?

And then there were all the other men of other "inferior races" who had the pleasure of plowing "Alice's" back 40: Egyptian men (like "Lucky Hamid" [sometimes known as "Aiwass"], the room-service waiter at Shepeard's Annex on his honeymoon), Algerian men, other assorted Arab men, Mexican men, Chinese men. The list goes on; hardly an "inferior" or "mongrel" race one could name who didn't get to join in on the fun.

And that one Russian dude, which should make all the recent fans of Mother Russia's destiny feel a warm glow deep down inside (if you know what i mean, and i think you do).

I find this racist fear bizarre and incomprehensible personally, and utterly unacceptable in any public context. So that shit demands pushback, and to that extent, our toadly Comrade is correct: post racist/fascist/Nazi shit, and i will mock it, and you. Just an elderly anarchist street skinhead, and no better than i ought to be, in the end. "Yea! deem not of change: ye shall be as ye are, & not other, " as Shiva is fond of quoting.

 


   
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@ignant666 You have thrown down the gauntlet, and I gladly accept.  Mr. Toad is most impressed with your ability to denounce hate and racism, and yet at the same time concentrate on Mr. Crowley's sodomite adventures.  I don't think Crowley accepted these men of color as his equals. They were just hapless vessels for his convenience.  Like the Southern Slave owners of old who would rape their slave women.  He used the "N" word constantly in his writings.  (Although at that time it was perfectly acceptable by most British and Americans).


   
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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

Pushing your buttons is as easy as a pressing a cell phone.

So that's why you're here, is it: to "push buttons"? Christ, what a limited ambition and paucity of imagination.


   
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@michael-staley Sure! Try it.  It's fun!


   
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Posted by: @shiva

 

Then, according to the Song
everything begins to go Wrong

 

And as already found in this thread... whose wheels have already fallen off when a toadfool is trying to peg a sixsixsix and vice versa perhaps.... but back to III. 34 (sorry David we were on III.18) as I have found this, which is Bill Heindrick's defense of Cowie posted just for the record:

Heidrick.24 - "As the current Grand Treasurer General of the Order, I feel it incumbent upon me to offer a defense of General Cowie. In point of fact Crowley's pro-German involvement in the USA, whether clandestine on behalf of the Allies or not, occasioned a police raid on his British office. Cowie, a deafmute thousands of miles away from Crowley, could hardly prevent the Crown from seizing the Golden Book and such assets as lay about. Cowie's letters to Crowley were filled with invective against the Axis powers out of simple precaution of reputation. Crowley also was unable to understand that the British Government had seized his book sales stock. Crowley instead blamed the management of the warehouse!"

As found at

http://www.book-of-the-law.com/notes.html#NOTEH24

What is this "Golden book" he speaks...metaphor or...some other ore!

Also regarding your first comment concerning OTO initiation and personal disaster...for some reason the whole ritual of the Catholic Church's "Stations of the Cross", of 14 points came to mind...is this why Achad is said to have become a Catholic?...after he hit 0=0 again?


   
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So anyway , GAIA and wars and pandemics. 

 

Gaia hypothesis - Wikipedia

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


   
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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

I don't think Crowley accepted these men of color as his equals.

An interesting way to express one's "superiority" to the "inferior races". I am reminded of the Pete Shelley couplet:

Homo superior

In my interior

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

They were just hapless vessels for his convenience. 

If by "hapless vessels for [AC's] convenience", we mean "using AC"s anus as a convenient vessel for their 'inferior' ejaculations", why, yes, indeedy-doo.

I know this may be hard for you to imagine, but try: some folks actually have sex with other folks that they like.


   
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@ignant666 You the man!


   
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Regarding AL III,18: “Mercy let be off: damn them who pity! Kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!”

 

The Old Comment

18. An end to the humanitarian mawkishness which is destroying the human race by the deliberate artificial protection of the unfit.

Unfit?  Unfit for what?

By the way 'mawkishness' is defined as an adjective

characterized by sickly sentimentality; weakly emotional; maudlin.
having a mildly sickening flavor; slightly nauseating.

The New Comment

What has been the net result of our fine 'Christian' phrases? In the good old days there was some sort of natural selection; brains and stamina were necessary to survival.

Which century of perfectly functioning high-stamina intelligent natural selection was this in I wonder?  Did we lose it?  Why?  How? 

The race, as such consequently improved. But we thought we knew oh! so much better, and we had “Christ's law” and other slush. So the unfit crowded and contaminated the fit, until Earth herself grew nauseated with the mess. We had not only a war which killed some eight million men, in the flower of their age, picked men at that, in four years, but a pestilence which killed six million in six months.

So basically is this Crowley once again getting sucked into what Ignant hilariously called Nietzsche's Conan the Barbarian fantasy-age? A bygone age of Might is Right (Brad Pitt Achilles sulking in his tent) which subsequent Greeks got off when reading Homer?

Are we going to repeat the insanity? Should we not rather breed humanity for quality by killing off any tainted stock, as we do with other cattle? And exterminating the vermin which infect it, especially Jews and Protestant Christians? Catholic Christians are really Pagans at heart; there is usually good stuff in them, particularly in Latin countries. They only need to be instructed in the true meaning of their faith to reflect the false veils.

An XXI Sol in Cancer After some years spent in Catholic countries, I wish to modify the above. Catholics are dead alike to Spirituality and to Reason, as bad as Protestants. And the Jew is far from hopeless outside America, where the previous paragraph was written.

Oh boy, WTF?  Protestants, Catholics and Jews.  Not lapse I take it or everyone who posts on this forum would be getting it.  Who would be left? 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


   
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Can anyone point to any political/social/racial pronouncements made by "V.V.V.V.V.", "To Mega Therion", "Nemo", or whatever his magickal name was after the March 1924 conclusion of his Ipsissing?

That is, did AC , speaking ex cathedra in his identities as an 8=3, or post-8=3, initiate, ever address these topics?

Or were these issues simply concerns of the deceased human we know and love as "the demon Crowley", and/or perhaps his (explicitly political) identity as "Baphomet" (ie, would-be theocratic O.T.O. world-dictator)?


   
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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

How can you respect Aleister Crowley who based his life using and abusing women?

Respect for his personal proclivities is not the issue. None of our heroes lives up to the mythopoeia when the LAShTAL Ministry of Mortality takes on anybody's case, including Crowley (up front), Nietzsche (behind the scenes), Parsons, McM, Smith, Smith, Smith, any self-proclaimed Ip, and me.

Specifically, in my brainiac, Crowley published the Libers, which was his assigned task, and nobody else did, so he get mythopoeiad into eternity for telling the secrets. His assignment did not include conforming to society's rulwa and he was pretty much of a shady character with flaws (unlike you and I, haha).

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

my motivation was purely revenge for revenge's sake.

That's the Horus Spirit!  Get back into The Octagon and show your stuff.

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

You have thrown down the gauntlet, and I gladly accept.

The Octagon in The Citadel of Geburah is now officially Open for view, review, and contagion. Please observe The Guidelines and may the best man lose his Boleskine and attain to non-attachment to anything.

Posted by: @michael-staley

... paucity of imagination.

I have previously posted this aphorism. It now, under the circumstances, is worthy of repetition.

In Tokyo, on the front door of the HQ of the JKA (Japan Karate Assn), of which I was once a dues-paying member), is a sign reading ...

All Challenges Accepted

I was told, "People go in there all the time. And they get the crap beaten out of them."

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

the Crown from seizing the Golden Book and such assets as lay about.

You see? DO you see? Conflict with The Establishment. This sort of thing, how embarrassing, doesn't happen in single-file, A.'.A.'. lineages, even if they do cheat in the Outer Order and sometimes get together in a group.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

the British Government had seized his book sales stock.

Uh-huh. The usual deal.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

What is this "Golden book" he speaks

It is the Ledger, the List ... of financial transactions and the names, grades, dues, fees of members.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Also regarding your first comment concerning OTO initiation and personal disaster...for some reason the whole ritual of the Catholic Church's "Stations of the Cross", of 14 points came to mind...is this why Achad is said to have become a Catholic?...after he hit 0=0 again?

I would not know the truth about Acad. The personal disasters do not affect all Catholics, Masons, Templars, etc who take them. As mentioned, the "proper links" must be at hand, and the proper (legal, of course) libation acts like a supercharger. It is not the rites in themselves that undo a person's knot.

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

So anyway , GAIA and wars and pandemics. 

It is posited, in other systems, not necessarily Thelemic, that the Earth has its own consciousness. Like us, if its surface (skin) gets infested with gaping sores, or spreading infections, it (we, too) is/are liable to take baths and antibiotics.

Humans have this core medical-physiological dynamic called homeostasis. That just means "balance" or "equilibrium." Our systems have a set standard for blood pressure, glucose, pH, minerals, etc, including everythin. Homeostasis brings us back to normal after we get excited or drunk. The Earth has its own standards for what is tolerable - before taking a bath or killing some bugs.

Now the consciousness of the Earth is described variously by different  cults according to their godly bias. There is ...

1. Gaia - (feminine) the contemporary new-age term, revived for ecologists, environmentalists, tree-huggers, green energy enthusiasts, who love Mother Nature or Mother earth.

Planetary Logos - (male) Said to be named Sanat Kumara by the Tibetans, and Subramanyam by the Hindus, he's the guy who has held the planet together for 18,000 years, or so. He is found on the Logoic Plane, which in QBL is designated Ain Soph Aur. Pretty far out.

Put the two (yin-yang) together, without reference to the sexual habits of crazy philosophers, and one gets a composite picture: Sanat (Satan) Kumara, the demiurge, is found just outside the central planetary core (a black hole called Hadit). His influence radiates outward, seeking the circumference.

The circumference, way out there, manifests as Nuit, who further informs her "little sister," the Eath, Gaia as named by some, 

The two (yin-yang) get together and their child is the Earth scheme that we bugs live upon, andpretty much defile. So, yeah, this system's homeostatic principle is going to clean house.

Since the epidemics and wars appear to be man-made, we (humanity), the guardian of the sanctuary, have screwed around with weather, bugs, frequencies, and the genomes themselves to the point wher the times, they will be a-changin'.

Posted by: @ignant666

indeedy-doo.

Please monitor your lingo. Doo has potential meanings.

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

You the man!

666, for it is the number of a man.

Either Klaus Schwab or Ignant-doo. I can't decide. Was Therion really the first beast?


   
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Posted by: @ignant666

Can anyone point to any political/social/racial pronouncements made by "V.V.V.V.V.", "To Mega Therion", "Nemo", or whatever his magickal name was after the March 1924 conclusion of his Ipsissing?

That is, did AC , speaking ex cathedra in his identities as an 8=3, or post-8=3, initiate, ever address these topics?

Or were these issues simply concerns of the deceased human we know and love as "the demon Crowley", and/or perhaps his (explicitly political) identity as "Baphomet" (ie, would-be theocratic O.T.O. world-dictator)?

A proper question! So did the "Ipsissing" as you say, that sex magick ritual with Leah Hirsig, occur  prior to or after their sexual molesting of the baby?

and

Thanks @shiva as concerns identifying what the "Golden book" is....Of course, and to quote 'Steely Dan' well.."Ricky don't lose that number"!....

 


   
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@shiva Okay, I think I got the message.  I will put my flaming sword into the crucible and transform into something more "LAShTAL like".  I will call off my mental dogs of war, and bay harmlessly at the moon.


   
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

their sexual molesting of the baby?

Isn't that something AC wrote, while high "AF" on cocaine (as the kids say), not a thing that anyone thinks actually happened?

Though worth noting that Preston Sturges, Mary "D' Este" Sturges' son, who lived at the Abbey as a small boy, hated AC a lot.

Listening to the Dead at R.F.K., 6/10/73, right now, for those who might imagine i would never do such a thing. And loud enough to make the neighbors call the cops, if i had any within 100' away. But i don't, & i have very loud gear. Just finishing "Box Of Rain" now.

As much as i will dis the Dead, at their peak they were almost as good as the N.Y. Dolls, the best act to play a show in 1973, and that is saying a very great deal indeed.


   
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I find this racist fear bizarre and incomprehensible personally, and utterly unacceptable in any public context. So that shit demands pushback, and to that extent, our toadly Comrade is correct: post racist/fascist/Nazi shit, and i will mock it, and you. Just an elderly anarchist street skinhead, and no better than i ought to be, in the end. "Yea! deem not of change: ye shall be as ye are, & not other, " as Shiva is fond of quoting.

 

W.A.S.P.s he wanted them wiped out. 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


   
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he wanted them wiped out.

Have you considered that AC may have been a little tired and cranky, and just in a bad mood, due to crashing from his massive cocaine use, when he wrote that? Like when he wrote most of the stupid shit that stupid people keep quoting, as it it was all he ever said?

Have you ever measured how much you love humanity generally while crashing hard from a week-long binge on pure cocaine, zero dopamine in sight, pure dis-phoria? Shit is hell, even if you have the best heroin in the world to mellow it out. And he did. But this does not make one a normal, or reliable, or sensible, person.

As some folks keep explaining, over and over, AC wrote really a lot of dumb and useless stuff, mostly when high on, or crashing/jonesing from, what the freex used to call "death drugs" (cocaine and heroin), and a bunch of really good and useful stuff, mostly when tripping on peyote, or very high on cannabis. AC's diary abbreviations for peyote were "A.L." (for Anhalonium lewinnii, the (now outdated) botanical name Parke-Davis used as a marketing term for peyote), or "31".

The good stuff is mostly the "do-it-yourself" instructions, and 333/TBOL. If you want to get "out", follow the directions.

If you, on the other hand, read AC, not as a person trying to figure how to get "out", but instead looking for support for the fact that you are currently an egotistical, asshole, racist, sexist, piece of shit, god knows you can find lots of reinforcement and support in his work for those things too.

You pick, asshole, or initiate. Like the old joke about the kid who wanted to grow up to be a drummer, you can't do both.

Into the second set of that Dead show.

 

 


   
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Posted by: @ignant666

Fair enough, @katrice, but my question is, i think, a tough one to answer for all the "AC was so scared of blacks and Jews, just like me" imbeciles (and the rare clever one, too). Why did he like getting fucked in the ass by blacks and Jews then?

And that one Russian dude, which should make all the recent fans of Mother Russia's destiny feel a warm glow deep down inside (if you know what i mean, and i think you do).

 

lol indeed I do.

 

As someone who has explored a great many things in pursuit of initiation, my theory is that a need to shame may explain it.  Some people just get off on it, because they have insecurities or a poor self image causing them to want to feel abased, or, more charitably, they seek to overcome some limit or be metaphorically brought down in order to experience rising up from that state, which can be a very powerful experience.  It could even be the trance of loathing I've mentioned before.  

 

There could be a number of reasons.  Personally, I lean towards a need for abasement possibly for gratification.

I find this racist fear bizarre and incomprehensible personally, and utterly unacceptable in any public context. So that shit demands pushback

I agree with that.

 

But this was so obviously meant to provoke a reaction.  

And now that he's gotten his outrage he gets to sit back and jerk it and scream "I'm a bad boy, mommy!  I'm a bad boy!" just like our unlamented old friend Daathiel did.

 

 


   
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And now that he's gotten his outrage he gets to sit back and jerk it and scream "I'm a bad boy, mommy!  I'm a bad boy!"

With all the respect due any Nazi who drinks too much, can't spell, or type, or proofread, fuck a dude like that.

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Daathiel

Can't recall this person, but jesus h. fuck, there have been a lot in 16 years.

It has been like more than a year since my last lashtal-related Nazi death threat. What am i- chopped liver?

But recall what it says in the Scriptures:

Remember all ye that [posting here] is pure joy; that all the [assholes] are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains. [emphasis added]

Which is why i'm still here, i suppose.


   
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Posted by: @ignant666

fuck a dude like that.

I would prefer not to, thank you.  😝 

Can't recall this person, but jesus h. fuck, there have been a lot in 16 years.

Daathiel Abbadon.He was the guy who wanted to bang me. I was less than enthusiastic about the idea.  He and I got in to a fight and then the admins banished him so hard that his posts all vanished. 

It has been like more than a year since my last lashtal-related Nazi death threat. What am i- chopped liver?

I'm sure that will change eventually.  Be patient. 😉 

 

Which is why i'm still here, i suppose.

You remain because you are not one of those.

 

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Respect for his personal proclivities is not the issue.

Crowley the Man I have issues with.  But he brought through something larger than him, and that something speaks deeply to me.  I could say the same about a number of other people whose ideas I respect.

 

Posted by: @shiva

. Was Therion really the first beast?

Aquino claimed to be the Second, but I am skeptical of that.  But if Crowley was the Second, who could have been the First? 

 


   
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Have you considered that AC may have been a little tired and cranky, and just in a bad mood, due to crashing from his massive cocaine use, when he wrote that?

Well no, considering the asshole tendencies were already there in his boyhood.  Anyway, yeah he did write about his moments of mental flexibility and how to attain them also.  

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[G]uy who wanted to bang me.

Typical online Oedipal asshole bullshit. From folks about as threatening as a smallish poodle with bad teeth.

You, a rare-in-online-Thelema female human, they want to, um, get some. Me, as a person on the macho side of the male gender-way, they threaten to kill. 

A graffito by the dispatch window of my old bike messenger agency (Elite Couriers NYC [RIP]) read:

Whining- the sound of anger coming through a very small hole.

Probably in an ultimate sense less funny, as far as NYC messenger office graffiti, than the sign over the mens' urinals at Prop Trucks that said

Policemen will please refrain from eating the urinal mints.

but more a propos here.


   
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@ignant666 

Well perhaps a bit of an interlude from AC high as AF on coke i am sure...a alibi that you know probable did not have much traction in court anyways for may put away...so speaking of coke heads...

i once used to dis the Dead at one time as well, and punk spoke to certain angst, and mocked the whole paraphernalia of the Grateful scene, but eventually the music clicked, and appreciated  the "perpetual unkept bed" as someone said of the eighties Jerry Garcia, bloating to oblivion...some said the punk/new wave put some new spunk into the band, and Jerry had a working class fuck it attitude of a scene that brought a certain chaotic anarchy to which would emerge echoes of some life essence not willing to be smothered...and liquid LSD and blotter could be had!

The edge of this version of Morning Dew, since genocide part of the topic, Philly Spectrum, and i remember, does particularly at the face melt of the crescendo before coda sort of boggles in what is a not exactly clean sound....and as one commentator states, as this video is evident that the Dead was the band and audience transformed into some different creature...as another said. "They had blown a whole in the fabric of the night and it was time to just put down the instruments".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77AucJXkeLA

And the opening song here, about murder, well seems sleepy but something awakens out of nowhere seemingly with a certain edge... out of the lull...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LK6eFvvZME

So what did become of the baby?...the Aeon that is...


   
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Ask any actual Deadhead if any '80s show could hold a candle to '73-'74. 

I grew up among Deadheads, and R.F.K. '73 is universally considered one of their best runs ever; it's here. Kinda a short show, only 4 and half hours over 3 sets. The vid has a still pic while the audio plays: of Jerry before he was fat. Or strung out on heroin. This was when the Dead still did acid at shows.The roadies aggressively dosed all backstage food and drink with strong acid, both the Dead and Allmans were tripping hard each night.

Anyway, the wife, who has never heard the Dead before in her life, was not all that pleased with the first set, but was dancing within a couple songs of the second one getting going. She also liked the Beatles when she heard them for the first time when that Get Back movie came out last year. Punk rock shit, she knows inside out, but i am the closest she has ever come to socializing with a hippie.

A book i just read, and highly recommend to anyone interested in

  • the history of psychedelics in the USA,
  • the history of the Grateful Dead,
  • the history of the relationship of the US illicit LSD market and Dead tours,
  • the spiritual/criminal enterprise known as the "Grateful Dead Family"/the "Acid Family"/the "Drug-Rug Acid-Wook Gangs",
  • why LSD stopped being widely available for $2 a dose in the US in fall 1995, for the first time ever since the mid '60s (after Jerry died and the Dead stopped touring)

is Jesse Jarnow's Heads: A Biography of Psychedelic America, (2016), available to purchase here

I know the NYC folks he interviewed (and others), and so can say this is legit shit, about stuff that has almost never been talked about in public: how acid, as an illicit, religiously/spiritually-based-organized-crime-controlled, international drug market worked from the '60s-'90s. Actual "Acid Godfathers" breaking it down for you.


   
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Posted by: @ignant666

Typical online Oedipal asshole bullshit. From folks about as threatening as a smallish poodle with bad teeth.

Precisely!

 

You, a rare-in-online-Thelema female human, they want to, um, get some.

No need for "um"s, I'm an adult.  🙂 

 

 Me, as a person on the macho side of the male gender-way, they threaten to kill. 

I am aware of all of that from personal experience, including people threatening to kill me, and occasionally people wanting to bang me and kill me at the same time. 

 

Whining- the sound of anger coming through a very small hole.

Good one!

 

Policemen will please refrain from eating the urinal mints.

lol I think  I need to have some signs made!

 

 

So my theory is that seeking shame is why Crowley liked to take it in the ass from men of races he saw as inferior. Whether that was due to psychological issues, a fetish, just liking the aesthetics of men of different races, some kind of initiatory work, some combination of those, or different reasons at different times, I can't say for certain. 


   
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@ignant666 

Of course no argument about the better years 73 & 74 all there...but no Alligators like the 60's or William Tell bridge...Hank Harrison's book was very good, with even a chapter on the Gnostic Dead visiting the Warburg while in London! Thanks for the reading suggestion.

Anyways AC got fat too!

 


   
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I think  I need to have some signs made!

You will need at last one urinal, and some very old "sanitary cakes", before the latter sign will make any sense.

I worked at Prop Trucks for about a year circa maybe '83; the urinal "mints" on my last day appeared to be the same ones as on my first day. I am guessing they had been there quite a while on my first day, maybe years.

I am pretty sure  it was written by the main dispatcher,  who hired me and gave me my messenger "road name" [not to be disclosed to non-messenger cowans, obv] that i was forever after known by. He was a hippie called "Gold", in a previous life a well-known "Parkie" weed/acid dealer .

"Parkies" were mid-'70s long-haired teenagers, who hung out near the Central Park Bandshell, and sold drugs: Deadhead, skateboard-riding, nunchaku-in-the-embroidered-by-their-hipppie-girlfriend-Levi-jacket, graffitti-writing teenagers in motorcycle boots.

I was never one, but did a lot of business with those kids when i was a drug dealer, both when "Parkies" were the shit in NYC in the mid-'70s, and i was a small-timer, and in the '80s, when the ones that had kept being drug dealers into their 20s got kinda big, and we did big things together. An ex-Parkie kid was the first one to say to me

There are two kinds of drug dealers: the kind that own a forklift, and the kind that don't.

For the record, i never owned a forklift, and he in fact he owned several, on both coasts, and yet i never once bought a single pound from him, and he bought pounds from me, and the next person down from me, quite often.

But still a good line. Anyway, enough happy drug and Dead stuff, let's get back to the genocide.

Or talk about something interesting besides the fact that AC often said dumb shit that we all know about?


   
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concerns identifying what the "Golden book" is.

I believe only IX* members names are entered in The Golden Book. I kept some kind of record (our G.'.B.'.), but passed it off to Fr Anubis who had a money-mind; he later became an attorney. When the G.'.N.'. passed metaphorically to McM, I think we were still in it, because we were on the same playing field as he (same Constitution, same basic rules). When that same (metaphorical metaphysical G.'.B.'. got transfered to the present custodian, I think (well, know) our names got erased, 'cause the rules got changed. The Great reset can come in many forms.

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I will call off my mental dogs of war, and bay harmlessly at the moon.

My message(s) were subtle humor leading up to the contention in the eight-sided "ring" that is in the Pentagrammed Citadel of Mars. These things do happen here. All Challeges Accepted. Sometimes a squabble will go on for days or (even) a week or two. As long as Crowley (or relevant) gets mentioned along the way, and The Guidelines are not shredded, certain altercations are allowed to run. I have been involved in one or two. Ignant, maybe three 😡 😡 😡  or maybe more 🤬 

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Aquino claimed to be the Second, but I am skeptical of that.  But if Crowley was the Second, who could have been the First?

Um, it is the second beast who causes (cusses) all folks to not buy or sell without the Mark. Neither Aquino nor Crowley (nor anybody else) got into that stuff. But Klaus is pushing that digital agenda, so he is either the second best or his agent.

The only candidate for the first beast is AC. He spoke blasphemies alright. He made the claim openly. Those who work the magic on the Klaus side claim to be following Crowley's instructions.

But here's the bug in the holy water: The second beast is supposed to make the populace worship the words of the first beast. In my twisted scenario, the first (AC) taught Horus-like individuality ... while the second (Klaus) is teaching "digital hive mind" (Borgism). So things don't add up, yet.

 


   
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All the mass entertainment charisma glamor, fat or not, pied papering over the cliff... i suppose dulls the moral sensibilities, why even small time drug runners, who certainly laid pipe..."some become mathematicians, some became carpenters wife's, and i do not know how it all got started" bob, but dealing in slaves, are we all tangled up in a blue,  such that abusing the baby is provided with a cover story that the confessor was a coke head..."just like a lawyer" (to the tune of 'just like a woman')....got pedophilia....I suppose like old Hunter and dad dealing with the Nazi's over in the eastern front on a little murder spree for coke head Zelenski all gets a pass too....or do we just say this is initiatory doppleganger....for the genocide we are now all in one big camp in the tent of Salad-din!

No hating is not nice, why even AC scolded Cowie, as a German hater,  and AC did not hate the Jews, read the open letter to Rabbi Blau...Hopefully that is not up for censorship!


   
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@hadgigegenraum I looked up Rabbi Joel Blau in The Confessions of Aleister Crowley, page 93.  It is only a brief mention of his letter in which he writes that the result fell flat.  Can you provide me with a reference to the full text?  Thank you.  I am curious as to its content.  Crowley could be most charming and polite when he wanted to.


   
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The essay that you enquire about was published in a compendium of essays, called the Revival of Magick by the Ordo Templi Orients (c) aka the Caliphate. Frankly they did a great job, but it is sad that the book seems to be out of print and used on Amazon for the paperback, never in hard, for $60 dollars... Crowley would say pay the price!

There you will find Crowley not being "charming and polite" or vulgar or rude, but actually acting on authority relative to the mission of the Jews to which his mission as anti-Christ is most important, and where he, as 'Antichrist" is on mission to birth the Christ or Messiah for all humanity. 

At the outset Crowley feels that seeking a physical Zion is an act of surrender for the Jews, and upon his authority of having discovered the Word, he outlines the problem and solution, for the good of all.

Furthermore Crowley demonstrates himself to be above the fray as regards antisemitism and its reflux, but demonstrate how the Jews and all of humanity can obtain their proper station, their greater true will, and that is the great challenge that the Beast, as his authority as the Great Beast can assert the Law and not mere din.

Franky @ignant666 is to be commended in defending the Jews, as others do, but Crowley demonstrates that their, the Jews, paranoia of destruction is found in not upholding their true will a people with a mission, squandered as the equally materialistic denizens of other tribes and peoples not doing their will and talents...and thus do not need coddling and special protections." ~Mercy let be off~

Such an attitude is that the Jews can not be destroyed, just as all peoples can not be either, such as the paranoid non jews, those who swallow the 'goyim' appellation of derision, just act like cattle to slaughter, when it is their own fear, they project, gets the best of one, and only serves the prison of eternal return, rather than....

Yes Crowley is truthful, and thus blunt when it is required, and at the same time provides a means to escape, beyond certain political illusions.

Amen 

93 93/93

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@hadgigegenraum Thank you for the summation of the core of his letter.

I do appreciate the traditions of Talmudic magic, and of course, the system known as Kabbala, and the traditions of Solomonic ritual magic (Which may or may not be truly Hebraic in origin.)    I will search for the book you mentioned.


   
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Posted by: @ignant666

If by "hapless vessels for [AC's] convenience", we mean "using AC"s anus as a convenient vessel for their 'inferior' ejaculations", why, yes, indeedy-doo.

Isn't that just like, the path of abasement?  IOW his feeling about Blacks or Indians being inferior would be precisely the reason why he let them fuck him - so that he could feel degraded.  He felt the same way about Leah Hirsig shitting on him 🙂

(Interestingly, this is something that a genuine Nazi just wouldn't understand.  IOW, Crowley would have been put in the camps along with the rest of those they deemed degenerate.)

From AC's commentary to Liber V vel Reguli:-

The Magician should devise for himself a definite technique for destroying “evil.” The essence of such a practice will consist in training the mind and the body to confront things which case fear, pain, disgust, shame and the like. He must learn to endure them, then to become indifferent to them, then to analyze them until they give pleasure and instruction, and finally to appreciate them for their own sake, as aspects of Truth. When this has been done, he should abandon them, if they are really harmful in relation to health and comfort. Also, our selection of “evils” is limited to those that cannot damage us irreparably. E.g., one ought to practice smelling assafœtida until one likes it; but not arsine or hydrocyanic acid. Again, one might have a liaison with an ugly old woman until one beheld and loved the star which she is; it would be too dangerous to overcome the distaste for dishonesty by forcing oneself to pick pockets. Acts which are essentially dishonourable must not be done; they should be justified only by calm contemplation of their correctness in abstract cases.

"Until one beheld and loved the star which she is" - IOW, "don't mix the planes."


   
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Posted by: @gurugeorge

[T]his is something that a genuine Nazi just wouldn't understand.  IOW, Crowley would have been put in the camps along with the rest of those they deemed degenerate.

Good to see that i have made myself clear. This was my point.

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Isn't that just like, the path of abasement?

Perhaps some review of the works of Jean Genet, William Burroughs, and John Rechy is indicated? And about a million other gay male authors discussing "trade". He was very typical of men with money seeking sex with other men in his closeted era.


   
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