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Posted by: @ignant666

Perhaps some review of the works of Jean Genet, William Burroughs, and John Rechy is indicated? And about a million other gay male authors discussing "trade". He was very typical of men with money seeking sex with other men in his closeted era.

Yeah, but don't you think he was also putting into practice what he talked about in that commentary?  I mean, one can walk and chew gum at the same time, after all 🙂


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@ignant666 Wasn't William Burroughs also a Crowley devotee?  I remember reading an article in High Times magazine in which Burroughs wrote an article on Crowley, magic, and mind-altering drugs.  I also recall an article he did for a NAROPA institute publication about his experiments with EVPs.  I think he was one of the first to discuss it. (That and his disjointed poetry using random words he cut out of magazines).  Interesting fellow.


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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Crowley would say pay the price!

But with whose money?

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his mission as anti-Christ is most important, and where he, as 'Antichrist" is on mission to birth the Christ or Messiah for all humanity. 

Yes. This is pretty straightforward.

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a means to escape

Get out!  I shall henceforth sporadically refer to The Path of Escape.

Hint: It's the same old Path, and in this case it implies Escape from the Mind.

Posted by: @gurugeorge

the path of abasement?

He referenced this quite strongly ... but under Nuit. I cannot remember where, but he goes on a self-destructive masochistic rumble about how he wants her to plop him in the mud and trample him. Perhaps it was the Scarlet Woman, he so invoked?

"Abased" means laid low. It was used in relation to "the eighties" (another puzzle). So, yes, there is a psychological pattern of abasement at work. Katrice gave a brief explation of this syndrome. Personally, I do not understand it (as a covert or over drive).

I have been laid low many times, in many ways, but especially in the psycho-astral realm, where my lights have been put out by a greater light, and by gradual wearing down (as "they" poured vitriol over my identity, but I have never sought it out. So I don't understand it. I was not exposed to this condition in my semi-extensive psychology classes.

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this is something that a genuine Nazi just wouldn't understand

Uh-ohI got caught with my pants down.

Oh, waitI think masochism was mentioned in class. Now I have a reference point for your condition and I can prescribe the proper meditation.

 


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Yes, Burroughs was a mystic, magick practitioner, and, late in life, an initiate of some chaos magick order also. Obviously, like AC, he liked drugs, in addition to their mutual fondness for "rough trade".

He was taken to a Led Zep show around '73-4, interviewed Page and discussed AC's work with him. He was very impressed with their show from a magickal POV, not having had much previous exposure to rock'n'roll. I think it was published in Crawdaddy magazine, i have it in some box, but likely available online somewhere.


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Burroughs also was deep into Scientology....there is a interesting book on that facet of his life...what was this thread about???....oh yea AC genocide mode...what lots of ejaculations mean sacrificed children the great beast chided...men can become pregnant you know! 


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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Regarding AL III,18: “Mercy let be off: damn them who pity! Kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!”

Rather than become burdened with childe, I had to go back to the O.P. to check out the "genocidal mode" concept.

The III:18 quote is reminiscent of the state one might very well find themselves in ... on a battlefield or in a jungle, or maybe like Lawrence in Arabia ...

These are probably some of the lines that offendedhis sensibilities as a Buddhist. Yeah, there was Frater Perdurabo, the imp Crowley, and the Buddhist Baphomet. What a combo.

These lines alo speak directly from The Forge in the Citadel of Geburah. This is Geburah full-throttle. It's called war. these days, the media on both fronts announce "war crimes." They forget a rule that has applied from ages before "war crimes" were invented - All's Fair in Love and War.

This sort of thing could blow a planet upward, or at least a single person's mind. This is why God, or Zeus, or Allan Bennett invented Chesed. Good Lord of the Rings, now perhaps you (anyone) have a clearer view of the force and morality of Geburah.

The olden Strength card showed the equilibrating force between Chokmah and Chesed - An Angel closes the jaws of the Lion. Thank goodness or the elves, but this Path (verb - action) is necessary. What do you do with an unequilibrated Adeptus Major ... early in the mornin' ?

Get the picture? This is a serious man
and he has a serious sword.

He understood III:18.


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

@ignant666 Wasn't William Burroughs also a Crowley devotee?  

He was also an IOT initiate, as Iggy also cited.

 

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"AC was so scared of blacks and Jews, just like me" imbeciles (and the rare clever one, too).

And yet people like Pamela Coleman Smith, PB Randolph, and Rollo Ahmed all had notable impact on  magick as we know it. 

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Katrice gave a brief explation of this syndrome. Personally, I do not understand it (as a covert or over drive).

To surrender all power, dignity, even self,  can be a very powerful experience, especially for those who's inclination is to cling to those things. I mentioned her a while ago that one of my most powerful initiatory experiences came from this. 

 

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I have been laid low many times, in many ways, but especially in the psycho-astral realm, where my lights have been put out by a greater light, and by gradual wearing down (as "they" poured vitriol over my identity, but I have never sought it out.

That is, I believe, the idea, from an initiatory perspective.  

Wasn't there a quote somewhere about Lucifer being thrown down to Hell to rise again? 

 

Of course, on a more base level, some people just get off on humiliation.  I've found that a lot of people who are in positions of wielding power and authority, or who tend to be more dominant, in their everyday lives like to surrender those things in private. 

But as I mentioned earlier, in Crowley's case, I think his use of this wasn't attributable to any one explanation.  I'm sure he did it just to get off on it, but he also may have used it for initiatory work, and trance of loathing too.

 

 

 


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@katrice I am very familiar with Rollo Ahmed.  In fact, the first book of the occult I ever read was The Black Art.  Given his name, I thought he was Arabic.  Burroughs had an eclectic interest in all manner of fairly obscure subjects.  I am especially interested in his study of EVPs which he published in a NAROPA Institute of Disembodied Poetics.  I also admire Allen Ginsberg, whose interest was more in line with Krishna consciousness and Tibetan Buddhism.  (Of which I am sure you are already aware.)  Also, allow me to apologize to you for offending you a while back over a post I submitted.


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Posted by: @katrice

To surrender all power, dignity, even self,  can be a very powerful experience

Yes. My point is that this happens anyway ... without seeking it out.

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Of course, on a more base level, some people just get off on humiliation.

Yes. Now that I have thought about it, I did know a person who exhibited this tendency. Frater Kuat was eventually abducted by the police, taken to a judge and a doc, and given the psychotic designation.

 


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Posted by: @shiva

Yes. My point is that this happens anyway ... without seeking it out.

 

Some of us follow what some call the Way of Steep Ascent, even if it is not without its risks.  

 

Yes. Now that I have thought about it, I did know a person who exhibited this tendency. Frater Kuat was eventually abducted by the police, taken to a judge and a doc, and given the psychotic designation.

I have no problems with what consenting adults do. It's not my thing to do for fun but whatever. 

 

@katrice I am very familiar with Rollo Ahmed.  In fact, the first book of the occult I ever read was The Black Art.  Given his name, I thought he was Arabic. 

His father was Egyptian.  

 

EVPs which he published in a NAROPA Institute of Disembodied Poetics.

I do find EVP interesting.  I've wanted to experiment with using an ovilus in evocation.

 

.  I also admire Allen Ginsberg, whose interest was more in line with Krishna consciousness and Tibetan Buddhism.  (Of which I am sure you are already aware.)

Indeed I am, with Ginsberg, Kirshna Consciousness, and Vajrayana Buddhism.

 

Also, allow me to apologize to you for offending you a while back over a post I submitted.

Apology accepted. This time.  

 


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@katrice Thank you. It won't happen again.


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@katrice P.S. Are you familiar with Indris Shah and his small, but interesting book, Oriental Magic?  Another basic must read for the novice.


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Katrice, sorry to keep Post Scripting you, but did you get any results from your EVP experiment?  I am little skeptical of the ones I have heard on the internet.  There is much noise from literally millions of sound devices and radio waves, how do you know it is a "Ghost voice?"


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Posted by: @shiva

Yes. My point is that this happens anyway ... without seeking it out.

Thinking about "the martial path" - that does actually involved defeat sometimes.  Being beaten and taking it on the chin (sometimes literally) is part of it.  There's wisdom in that.

I think with AL, particularly the hairier passages, the thing is "deem not ... etc."  It's not supposed to be something you slavishly follow - that's often been the trap of previous holy books - in fact I think the book expects you to fight with it.  Contention with it, scepticism of it, is built-in.

The term "shit test" comes to mind 🙂


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Posted by: @katrice

Some of us follow what some call the Way of Steep Ascent ...

Fair enough.

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Shiva sez ...Yes. Frater Kuat ... etc ... the psychotic designation.

Katrice responds - I have no problems with what consenting adults do. It's not my thing to do for fun but whatever. 

My Fr Kuat synopsis was too brief to convey the whole story, which I will not go into (off-to). The bottom line reads ... Masochist, methedrine, incarceration (no other adults, or children, consenting or not, were involved. He did it all by himself.

 


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

@katrice P.S. Are you familiar with Indris Shah and his small, but interesting book, Oriental Magic?  Another basic must read for the novice.

I'm hardly a novice, but I've read that one, and The Sufis, and A History of Secret Societies too. 

 

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how do you know it is a "Ghost voice?"

How do you know that an evoked spirit is the right one?  You test what you get against the context of the entity's identity, the location, the event. The method of science, the aim of religion.  I tend to be skeptical of anything that does not surprise me in some way, especially skeptical of anything that meets my expectations too closely.  

 

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Thank you. It won't happen again

I will hold you to that.

 

Katrice, sorry to keep Post Scripting you, 

I'll remind you before Shiva does- please remember that serial posting is against the forum guidelines, and you're kind of already on probation with the admins.

 

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Thinking about "the martial path" - that does actually involved defeat sometimes.  Being beaten and taking it on the chin (sometimes literally) is part of it

Agreed.  This is part of why some schools of thought may actually discourage people interested in joining. The best schools will tell you that you will fail sometimes, and if applicable,  that there may be risks involved. The best students will understand and accept that. 

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My Fr Kuat synopsis was too brief to convey the whole story, which I will not go into (off-to). The bottom line reads ... Masochist, methedrine, incarceration (no other adults, or children, consenting or not, were involved. He did it all by himself.

ok, that sounds more understandable. Thank you for the clarification. 

 

 

 


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Sorry about the serial posting, but my question about EVPs was an afterthought.  No harm intended.  Thank you for your insights as always.


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

Sorry about the serial posting, but my question about EVPs was an afterthought.  No harm intended.  Thank you for your insights as always.

I was just reminding you for your own benefit. 


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I'm hardly a novice

But it's good if some people think you are. "Never admit to more than the first degree," was the rule in olde Agape. "Never admit to anything," was the Solar rule. After that, there are no rules.

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The method of science, the aim of religion.

We place no reliance on prophet or denizen
we're just trying to build a war-engini-zen.

 


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We place no reliance on prophet or denizen
we're just trying to build a war-engini-zen.

Please, stop poasting 🙂


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But it's good if some people think you are. "Never admit to more than the first degree," was the rule in olde Agape. "Never admit to anything," was the Solar rule. After that, there are no rules.

I see the value in that, and I don't claim a grade, I just think that after ten years of doing the work I don't qualify as a novice any more. But I could be wrong. 

 

But part of it is also that lots of people in magickal communities who meet me tend to assume I'm new to everything. 


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I don't claim a grade

(1) The grades are given to you (anyone). If a human person gives it to you, you (anyone) get a piece of paper with numbers and sigs (maybe just one sig)(not a sigil, but a signature) on it. Or something like that.

(2) The grades are given to you (anyone). If the initiatory process gives it to you, you (anyone) get nothing tangible. You get to remember the experience. Or maybe, if you're lucky in material affairs, the process will give you some token that you can use to protect your sanity, or show to other people. Or something like that.

However, this second version, which is more real than #(1), is covered in the Bailey works. Over there, it says, "It would be ridiculous to actually claim any grade" [paraphrased]. The idea is that one is undergoing an inner growth process, and it does not apply externally.

Bottom Line - There are but three grades. It is obvious who is what. With nobody being lifted up or cast down, nothing changes. Go figure.

Sub-Bottom Line (clarification) - The Path is different for chicks than dudes. The A.'.A.'. is set up for dudes who become transgender upon arrival at The Binah Hotel. Although there a a few chicks who actually get the parchments with sigs, they generally have a completely different viewpoint of progress upon The Path. This distinktion is worthy of its own thread.

Under-Sub-Bottom (dumpster diving) - Then there are those folks, usually of the dude-gender, who claim things (titles, numbers, etc) without a human person giving them the paper or a token, and so what are they talking about?

And if a person is given a true grade by the initiatory process, and it's ridiculous to talk about it, then why bother?

Well, some bother. It's one thing to be involved in a formal hierarchical lineage, just like being in the army or the WAVES, and sometimes it's necessary to attach some initials or a number to another number or title on an Imprimatur, so as to keep things neat, tidy, and in continuity. But to log onto a form and sign 8=3, or proclaim one's self The Magicole Hair, or to run one's mouth on a youTube video about one's Ip - well, this is The Outer Limits of believability, and people begin to tell jokes or to make snide remarks.

It's probably better to escape the hierarchies, drop the titles, and shoot from the hip.

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after ten years of doing the work I don't qualify as a novice any more. But I could be wrong. 

Yes, you could be wrong and need to go back to a revised Student Reading List and start all over. We have to do that sort of thing all the time. It's called, "Back to the Drawing Board" by engineers and constructionists. However ...

Time is short. We don't have time to read everything. Let's look at the formal curriculum. The Student Reading List is supposed to be read in three (3) months (moons). Some people take a little longer (like 2-3 years). The curriculum is apparently not constructed for people who must work (marketplace labor).

The term Novice pretty much covers that span known as Probation"Probation lasts one year." This is because there is actually a one-year cycle locked-in, and after one-year, one has an unusual experience ... if they've really done the work.

Then there are the grades. Crowley zipped thrue the first 4 so fast that the incumbents were shocked (one grade per month). After he "took over" the curriculum, O.M. put in "slow-down" time frames. Why did he get to zip through, only to slow the newcomers down? Anyway, Add 'em all up: 3 mos, 1 yr, 9 mos, 4 mos, add 2 years to catch the belated and we get NO MORE THAN five (5) years.

Besides all this mental calculation with a calendar and a compass, you have made certain statements that indicate you have experience in levels beyond these considerations to which I will refer or repeat.

By the authority invested in me (by who or what?), I declare that you are not a "novice." If you want a parchment, it can be arranged.

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But part of it is also that lots of people in magickal communities who meet me tend to assume I'm new to everything.

It is because you are not pretentious, like they are (or are used to seeing). If you are not pretentious, or fail to display an agenda, other folks assume you are innocent ... and manipulable.

 


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@shiva Just to clear things up, I wasn't saying that Katrice was a novice, I know she is an experienced occult student. I was saying the book, Black Art by Rollo Ahmed was good for a novice to read for a good social history of "Left hand Occultism"  


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@katrice I was not implying that you are a novice.  I meant generally the Rollo Ahmed book Black Art is great for a novice.  (Like me when I got interested in the occult).  So Mote it Be.


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Posted by: @shiva

 (2) The grades are given to you (anyone). If the initiatory process gives it to you,  

 

Which to me is the only real attainment of a grade.

Sub-Bottom Line (clarification) - The Path is different for chicks than dudes. The A.'.A.'. is set up for dudes

I have been doing the A.'.A.'. work for some time now, with supplemental work too. 

 

 who become transgender upon arrival at The Binah Hotel.

The distinction being just another limitation.

Although there a a few chicks who actually get the parchments with sigs, they generally have a completely different viewpoint of progress upon The Path.

There are such things as female-assigned-at-birth enbies as well. 

 

 This distinktion is worthy of its own thread.

I would like to see that, and more on Bailey works too.

And if a person is given a true grade by the initiatory process, and it's ridiculous to talk about it, then why bother?

Exactly!

 

 But to log onto a form and sign 8=3, or proclaim one's self The Magicole Hair, or to run one's mouth on a youTube video about one's Ip - well, this is The Outer Limits of believability, and people begin to tell jokes or to make snide remarks.

Don't get me started on those.  😉 

 

It's probably better to escape the hierarchies, drop the titles, and shoot from the hip. 

I really just see grades as a way of marking one's progress.  

 

The curriculum is apparently not constructed for people who must work (marketplace labor).

That does seem clear.  I admit I'm kind of a fanatic, but I also have a life outside of my practice. 

 

The term Novice pretty much covers that span known as Probation"Probation lasts one year."

 

I had assumed it was synonymous with Probationer.

 

Besides all this mental calculation with a calendar and a compass, you have made certain statements that indicate you have experience in levels beyond these considerations to which I will refer or repeat.

Thank you for that. 

Yes, you could be wrong and need to go back to a revised Student Reading List and start all over. We have to do that sort of thing all the time.  

I consider it good practice to do periodic reviews of basic practices, like refresher courses. 

 

 

By the authority invested in me (by who or what?), I declare that you are not a "novice." If you want a parchment, it can be arranged.

Why, thank you!  🙂 

 

It is because you are not pretentious, like they are (or are used to seeing). If you are not pretentious, or fail to display an agenda, other folks assume you are innocent ... and manipulable.

Thank you.  "Innocent"  I am far from lol.  My gender and age are probably a large part of it too. 

 

 

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I was not implying that you are a novice.  I meant generally the Rollo Ahmed book Black Art is great for a novice.

ok,that makes more sense.  Thank you for the clarification. 

 

Ahmed was also where Dennis Wheatley got his information from, which went on to shape the aesthetics of modern Satanism. 

 


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

I wasn't saying that Katrice was a novice

This is why you should (never "should" on yourself or others) stop and consider your posts from how they might seem to others, including the non-noviate katrice and me, the warlord of the eighties.

You also confessed to afterthoughts (a minor misdemeanor), yet even now you double-post again (not a big problem), so this is another reason to pause before posting - like maybe 30 minutes. I do this disciplinary practice from time to time, when someone is being irritating or foul ... and so I go to perform some menial task like chopping water or carrying wood, while adjusting my retort to something resembling civil or civilized, which may be an error. Please help.

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I know she is an experienced occult student.

Please look up the word adept, and think about that. I recommend a full course of training in aura analysis (a.'.a.'.)(little a's) so that you can understand who and what you are dealing with, even over the www, the aura AND the dealing, that is.

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I was saying the book, Black Art by Rollo Ahmed was good for a novice

I thought "we" dropped the references to other people. I see I'm going to have a hard time keeping you in line with your promises, so I'll just let the entire matter drop and let you run with your agenda.

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I have been doing the A.'.A.'. work for some time now, with supplemental work too.

There are several ladies who follow/followed the curriculum, exactly, including my wife.So, yeah, it's not a "good ol' boy's club," even though the Libers are mostly writ in the male-pronoun. The overall ratio of women:men who do the work in the A.'.A.'. is about 1:10. Go over to Wicca and the ratio is reversed to 10:1. My ratios are approximate and based on what I have seen. I think the Crowley persona, which hardly ever did anything but downgrade women, is at the root of this phenomenon.

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Bailey works too.

Bailey is generally downgraded as "insulting" by self-proclaimed Thelemites. It was not until I had escaped from the Tong Outer Order that Bailey came to hand. She managed to explain the inner workings and the real initiations at a depth than runs much deeper than Crowley. But she gives no practices, so Crowley is more practical.

Additionally, most of her books a garbled, and only a couple are "clean" enough to get the message. But here is the main reason most Thelemites disdain her: Her definition of "true" sexual polarity is the relation between the vehicle and the Solar Angel, and she downplays common "sexual magic." Any Crowleyite would vomit, or something similarly disgusting.

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Don't get me started on those. 

Stop.

Now that toad has confessed to not novitiating you, I wonder why we went through all this.

Oh, yeah. I was the will of god. Inshah Allah.

 


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Posted by: @shiva

This is why you should (never "should" on yourself or others) stop and consider your posts from how they might seem to others, including the non-noviate katrice and me, the warlord of the eighties.

You also confessed to afterthoughts (a minor misdemeanor), yet even now you double-post again (not a big problem), so this is another reason to pause before posting - like maybe 30 minutes.  

 

All good practices.

Please look up the word adept, and think about that.

Thank you.  🙂 

 

I thought "we" dropped the references to other people.

I went back and looked and it was Idries Shah's Oriental Magic, not Ahmed's The Black Art.

 

  Go over to Wicca and the ratio is reversed to 10:1. My ratios are approximate and based on what I have seen.

It makes sense.  Strangely, I never went though a Wicca phase. 

 

I think the Crowley persona, which hardly ever did anything but downgrade women, is at the root of this phenomenon.

And followers who do the same. 

 

She managed to explain the inner workings and the real initiations at a depth than runs much deeper than Crowley. But she gives no practices, so Crowley is more practical.

I'm personally more in the market for practice these days.

 

Her definition of "true" sexual polarity is the relation between the vehicle and the Solar Angel,

Ultimately, though, it is between the self and the Daimon.

 

and she downplays common "sexual magic." 

OK, that I would have a problem with.But that seems like a common viewpoint for people of that era who were involved with Theosophy.

 

 

 


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Posted by: @katrice

I never went though a Wicca phase. 

Neither did I. They don't offer strict hierarchies or medical insurance, but I casually watched from afar.

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OK, that I would have a problem with.But that seems like a common viewpoint for people of that era who were involved with Theosophy.

There is a whole story to tell, but then I must be brief and refer to genocide and AC in order to retain the topic.

Bailey uses a Theosophical framework, but her presentation is Christian. Oh, not any accepted Christianity. No, she merely puts the aspirant on the Christ path (that is, we're all moving towards being an expression of the Christ Conciousness).

So if the reader says, "Sure," and sets the Christian aspect aside (because, yeah, it makes sense), and concentrates on the esoteric stuff, it comes alive.

So what? Mercy be let off. Kill the enemy. What about it? And just exactly who is this enemy?

II:24 ... Love one another with burning hearts; on the low men trample in the fierce lust of your pride, in the day of your wrath.

Oh, yeah. Them. I forgot. the Low Men. Why is it that Ch 3 resembles those orc attacks in Lord of the Rings?

 


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Regarding AL III,18: “Mercy let be off: damn them who pity! Kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!”

 

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What has been the net result of our fine 'Christian' phrases? In the good old days there was some sort of natural selection; brains and stamina were necessary to survival. The race, as such consequently improved. But we thought we knew oh! so much better, and we had “Christ's law” and other slush. So the unfit crowded and contaminated the fit, until Earth herself grew nauseated with the mess. We had not only a war which killed some eight million men, in the flower of their age, picked men at that, in four years, but a pestilence which killed six million in six months.

Are we going to repeat the insanity? Should we not rather breed humanity for quality by killing off any tainted stock, as we do with other cattle? And exterminating the vermin which infect it, especially Jews and Protestant Christians? Catholic Christians are really Pagans at heart; there is usually good stuff in them, particularly in Latin countries. They only need to be instructed in the true meaning of their faith to reflect the false veils.

An XXI Sol in Cancer After some years spent in Catholic countries, I wish to modify the above. Catholics are dead alike to Spirituality and to Reason, as bad as Protestants. And the Jew is far from hopeless outside America, where the previous paragraph was written.

So Crowley here seems to be classifying 'the fit' as the antichrists of the past and the unfit as the christ-like.  Following his logic he then appears to contradict himself by tenderly lamenting the massacres of young men in trench warfare and claims that this (immoral?) catastrophe i.e.  World War One was the direct result of the aforementioned  'insanity' of 'mawkish' christianity.  I would've thought that WW1 was caused by the conflict of empire building and particularly ruthless British domination of the waves.     

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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i.e.  World War One was the direct result of the aforementioned  'insanity' of 'mawkish' christianity. 

In another place, he says War1 was a direct result of the (3rd?) publication of Liber Legis, nine months before the fracas started.


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Bailey uses a Theosophical framework, but her presentation is Christian. Oh, not any accepted Christianity. No, she merely puts the aspirant on the Christ path (that is, we're all moving towards being an expression of the Christ Conciousness).

Daimonic Integration.

 

I really need to find the time to read Bailey.

 

So what? Mercy be let off. Kill the enemy. What about it? And just exactly who is this enemy?

II:24 ... Love one another with burning hearts; on the low men trample in the fierce lust of your pride, in the day of your wrath.

Oh, yeah. Them. I forgot. the Low Men. Why is it that Ch 3 resembles those orc attacks in Lord of the Rings?

 

Black Brotherhood orcs?

 


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In another place, he [O.M.] says War1 was a direct result of the (3rd?) publication of Liber Legis, nine months before the fracas started.

Upon further refraction, it is possible that the publication of AL influenced mawkish minds to go insane and start War 1 - after all, they had 9 months to get properly worked up.

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Black Brotherhood orcs?

Every man and every woman is a Star that has its own built-in shadow realm. Every man and every woman is a member of the black ithood, because their light creates shadows beyond anything with a name or in form - these shadows are filled with orcs, goblins, toads, and evil sorcerers. Yeah, them.

 


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Every man and every woman is a Star that has its own built-in shadow realm. Every man and every woman is a member of the black ithood, because their light creates shadows beyond anything with a name or in form - these shadows are filled with orcs, goblins, toads, and evil sorcerers. Yeah, them.

 

Indeed. Outright rejection of the shadow denies a part of one's self. That which we reject is often what we repress. A god ignored is a demon born.  Finding a way to reconcile, integrate, and draw on it, can be an important part of the Work.   


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Finding a way to reconcile, integrate, and draw on it, can be an important part of the Work.   

It is easily accomplished by taking personal responsibility for everything one perceives. This is only possible by finding one's self in this exact position, where one is indeed perceptive of this fact ...  and if they are then able to retain the memory.

One will usually not be able to retain this (Gnostic) state, but if they can retain the memory, then they're already operating at a "higher" level, because they know who to blame.

 


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It is easily accomplished by taking personal responsibility for everything one perceives. This is only possible by finding one's self in this exact position, where one is indeed perceptive of this fact ...  and if they are then able to retain the memory.

Indeed that is part of it for me, but I also like to take a more proactive approach.

Find limits, aversions, parts of you that disgust, frighten, or irritate you, root them out  and deal with them. Identify, Objectify, Banish, or Bind, or Bargain.  Commit acts that transgress against yourself. 

 

But that's just what I do. 


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I also like to take a more proactive approach.

(Almost) every younger aspirant wants to get out there - older worn-outs want to get out (of here).

 


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@shiva I don't think the two are mutually exclusive

 

Also, the Way of Steep Ascent  😉 


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