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 Anonymous
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05/06/2010 10:53 am  
"Patriarch156" wrote:
Whether or not his adherents actually followed up on the kind of religion he envisioned (but in practice to his own constant whining lament never followed through with) is another question of course, and the answer would be no which explains to a large extent the anemic state that Thelema still exists in after nearly hundred years of existence.

The quote above from page 5 in the thread Thelema-like qualities of Thelema?, mention Crowley constantly complaining about his adherents.

If one reads the four Gospels in The New Testament part of the Xian Bible, one will also find 'Christ' constantly complaining about his adherents.

An amusing parallel. 🙂


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 Anonymous
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18/10/2010 4:54 am  

Whining. Now there's a past time we can all participate post time.


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Patriarch156
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18/10/2010 1:45 pm  
"Patriarch156" wrote:
Whether or not his adherents actually followed up on the kind of religion he envisioned (but in practice to his own constant whining lament never followed through with) is another question of course, and the answer would be no which explains to a large extent the anemic state that Thelema still exists in after nearly hundred years of existence.

I would like, as the author of the above, to clarify since it seems to have been unclear, that the one Crowley was constantly whining and lamenting about never following through with the religion he envisioned was himself, not his adherents.


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Michael Staley
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18/10/2010 1:55 pm  

Do you still find it an amusing parallel, wellredwellbred?


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 Anonymous
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18/10/2010 9:16 pm  
"MichaelStaley" wrote:
Do you still find it an amusing parallel, wellredwellbred?

So it was only about himself, AC was; "constantly whining and lamenting about never following through with the religion he envisioned"? If that is a fact, my answer to your question MichaelStaley, is no.

At least no current Thelemites, have to worry about "following through with the religion" AC envisioned, in a worse way then he did himself.:wink:


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sonofthestar
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19/10/2010 2:25 am  

93!

In reference to the original gist (or assumptions) as presented at the onset of this thread,
about the complaining of “Christ” being somewhat analogous to Jesus complaining about his disciples:
-(insert smiley here)--….
….I’ve come to conclude (just from living) that such whining, lamenting, and such,
occurs quite frequently, in the following forms of human interactions:

Family members
Band members
Bosses complaining about Employees
Employees complaining about Bosses
Elected officials discontented with those having elected them,
as well those who did not.
Those discontented with the public officials they put into office.

The list goes on…..
People are always complaining and whining about the actions or in-actions of those they dearly love!

It’s that usual re-action--to human inter-action---which is quite contentious, sometimes---very often.
And yes,
AC faulted “Himself” for any perceived failings he had concerning “The Establishment of Thelema”.
Do not many Thelemites today,
feel that he failed Thelema, due to some of his supposedly not so pleasant antics?
That the reputation he garnered for himself hindered his mission?
But, if we could take those less than exemplar episodes out of the picture,
would this “Thelema” presented by a man proclaiming himself “The Beast 666” have fared much better?
Would the going be made easier by much?
I certainly do not think so.

Any complaining and whining ever voiced concerning his close companions ( made To them!!!)
had to do most of the time,
with their personal work and progression of practices---when he thought they were going about it all wrong.

Do any of us, think we have failed in our overall mission (if we consider it so) to Establish Thelema?
…On a personal level alone, or on an even more global scale, considered so grandiose by many?
If so, do we quit and give up?
Or, do we find out where we made our mistakes--get our act together---resolve to make it right,
and continue forth in one way or another?
Those seem to me to be the only two choices possible.

Now so far as the mentions made in this thread and others about Thelema being “slow” to catch on,
or supposedly failing in some way or another--for whatever reason….
….am I the only one here that feels everything is going quite well, and all according to plan?

My optimism is based upon (among other things) my realization that:

There are always dormant stages or lull periods , where things are taking place behind the scenes.
Consider arduously, the kind of persistent and malevolent stuff---We as a species are up against,
and how the Horrors of such an Extremely Odious Malevolence,
has been entrenched for thousands of years within many, many, tangible aspects of our experience of Malkuth,
---as instigated by us! …as the dominant species.
Does anyone realize how much headway we have made, and are still making?

Consider how the foundations towards personal liberty and freedom, must continuously be strengthened;
to be repaired when necessary---yet remain so flexible as to be that very foundation;
much the way something so seemingly simple as a levee system ( ! )… must be maintained, kept strong,
repaired and improved where and when necessary.

Also recollect well---the Tortoise and the Hare tale---
which very often proves to be more than just a fable so far as certain scenarios ultimately play out.

I maintain, that the Brothers and Sisters of their respective Orders, do continue at their own particular,
and offtime peculiar paces; each according to their capacity,
until that which is to be accomplished is accomplished---unto The Glory of The Great Work.

In spite of the little mundane things, which become terrible distractions, as well the terrible Ordeals that sooner or later challenge us---We continue in our continuity---Undeterred.

93! 93! 93!


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