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 Anonymous
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17/06/2009 8:19 am  

Hi, I hope I have got the correct forum for this question. I'm currently reading Dennis Hauck's Emerald Tablet and in it he offers some fascinating insights into alchemy, theurgy etc. One thing is Hermes Thrice Greatest (which in the book he states were actually three different people) wrote a book called Book of Thoth which was a copendium of signs and symbols and since Crowley wrote a similar book was wondering whether Crowley took a lot of his input and ideas from that book?
Also much of Emerald Tablet is about the one mind that brings into reality the physical aspect of will which is very much along the same lines as Crowley's "magick is the science and art of causing change to occur in comformity with will". Would Magick in Theory and Practice have been inspired by the Emerald Tablet as well?


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 Anonymous
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17/06/2009 5:06 pm  
"Starman" wrote:
Also much of Emerald Tablet is about the one mind that brings into reality the physical aspect of will which is very much along the same lines as Crowley's "magick is the science and art of causing change to occur in comformity with will". Would Magick in Theory and Practice have been inspired by the Emerald Tablet as well?

Actually, Crowley's was "in conformity with Will." This use of capitalization in "Will" may be more significant than it first appears and may differentiate Crowley's ideas from the antecedent that you cite. Just a suggestion.


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 Anonymous
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18/06/2009 2:52 pm  

If I recall, Crowley refers to alchemical principles in Book 4 but does not directly mention the Emerald Tablet. Nevertheless it is hard to the Emerald Tablet did not inspire him, either directly or indirectly, in some manner. For example, the sequence of elements appearing in the Emerald Tablet is identical to the sequence of elements in the Tetragrammaton (IHVH) forming the Four Worlds of the Tree of Life.


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 Anonymous
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18/06/2009 2:53 pm  

Darn non-edit function!

That should read "it is hard to BELIEVE the Emerald Tablet..."


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IAO131
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18/06/2009 3:47 pm  
"Starman" wrote:
Hi, I hope I have got the correct forum for this question. I'm currently reading Dennis Hauck's Emerald Tablet and in it he offers some fascinating insights into alchemy, theurgy etc. One thing is Hermes Thrice Greatest (which in the book he states were actually three different people)

Perhaps thats when you shouldve realized the book is full of speculation?

There is no actual Book of Thoth beyond the Tarot itself and Crowleys book.

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Would Magick in Theory and Practice have been inspired by the Emerald Tablet as well?

Seeing as how its influenced occultists through the age including Crowley, yes, some of Magick in Theory and Practice was inspired by it...

IAO131


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 Anonymous
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18/06/2009 9:59 pm  
"IAO131" wrote:
There is no actual Book of Thoth beyond the Tarot itself and Crowleys book.

The Book of Thoth originates in Egyptian legend and supposedly confers immortality on the reader. It has never been found, but it is believed to be hidden somewhere. I think Cayce claimed the Book of Thoth was buried below the front paws of the Sphinx.


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 Anonymous
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19/06/2009 3:26 am  

Ah, Edgar Cayce...now there's an interesting fella'. I think he claimed the existence of a whole library under the paws. I think I remember a documentary on him depicting some Ground Penatrating Radar, or some such device showing that there is something quite large underneath them. Of course, actually finding out what was actually underneath them is impossible.

He also had predictions about the location of Atlantis, and literally thousands of pages of predictions that he dictated. Apparently, he was even able to discern if the person asking for his help was doing so for selfish purposes like gambling on the horses and such, if I remember correctly questions such as these would result in horrible headaches for Cayce. This enevitably resulted in people having to ask their question through his sister, who would dictate his predictions, as he was unable to remember them after coming out of his trance. He was quite good, actually. The vast majority of them were correct, excluding the imposibble to verify one about the Sphinx. (Something man made was actually found where he predicted Atlantis to be) I would love to visit the Archives, just to see how many books (they are big books too) are filled full of predictions. There's a whole bunch of physical evidence on the "value" of certain trance states for ya' Erwin. 😉 His predictions while in trance really did help a lot of people.


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faustian
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20/06/2009 2:12 am  

Legend would have it that the Emerald Tablet is a stone - in Farsi "ghral" - or a jewel that fell from the crown of Lucifer. Hermes, like Thoth, is just another Anzu bird bearing interesting gifts....


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 Anonymous
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20/06/2009 3:13 pm  

Emerald is the color of Venus, the evening star, as well as for moldavite - possibly the lapsis exilis mentioned by Wolfram Eschenbach, formed Nordlinger Ries in Germany, so lots of samples would have been found in his native Bavaria. Anyone have any information on the Cintamani, the wishfulfilling jewel, and how it relates to all this?


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 Anonymous
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20/06/2009 4:48 pm  

Beyond the wiki reference, then no. If you'd like to know anything from practical experience with an authentic Dzi however, then I can answer you, and can also convey the impressions of the current new guardian of the stone.

Hardly anyone talks from practical experience these days, and that's a shame. It's also a defense. It can look a lot like the person talking about things they've learned from practical experience is banging thier own drum, or being egocentric, or some such, so we don't get personal perspectives anymore. But that's not the real deal, is it?


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 Anonymous
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20/06/2009 5:26 pm  

Sure, I am eager to hear about your experience with the Dzi and the new guardian of the stone. Be sure to clarify what you mean by "stone". Also if you have any thoughts on the significance of the emerald color, let's hear it.

I avoid speaking about personal experience because I have no wish to end up in an asylum. Crowley would say that I failed out of need for "respectability". Easy for him to say since he inherited his money.


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20/06/2009 8:29 pm  

significance of the emerald color, let's hear it.

the Green Lion of the philosophers
Visita Interiora Terrae Rectificando Inveniens Occultum Lapidem Veram Medicinam.

'Verdigris' a poisonous green cover, emerging under the influence of atmospheric oxygen and vinegar fumes on copper or brass, which thus chemically consists of copper acetates.

Anyone have any information on the Cintamani, the wishfulfilling jewel, and how it relates to all this?

Nicholas Roerich
Rudolf Steiner
Morris Doreal
TATARS and Kalmyk Mongols in the Kyzyl Kum desert

links that may be of interest.

Chintamani and personalities in relation to thelemic interest should probably be in appropriate threads.


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 Anonymous
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23/06/2009 3:37 pm  
"tai" wrote:
Sure, I am eager to hear about your experience with the Dzi and the new guardian of the stone. Be sure to clarify what you mean by "stone". Also if you have any thoughts on the significance of the emerald color, let's hear it.

I avoid speaking about personal experience because I have no wish to end up in an asylum. Crowley would say that I failed out of need for "respectability". Easy for him to say since he inherited his money.

Sorry Tai, but on second thoughts I decided not to. Not because I'm worried about being disrespectable, or mad etc. It's just that I wouldn't want to encourage people to try and purchase a Dzi and line Chinese pockets - and the purchased ones would be fake or poor copies anyway, and not ... um... treat in the same manner as the monks would usually do before giving one to someone. But if you're still curious we can take it to PM. 🙂

Re - weighing the threat of asylums against disclosure of personal experiences, as long as you are not harming yourself or others with your behaviour then it's usually not a problem unless you are surrounded by 'stiffs' (uptight people in terribly correct clothing and a neurotic obsession about being the right sort of sheep). 😀


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