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"herupakraath" wrote:
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"jamie barter" wrote:
Does anyone disagree that the Double Wand should be regarded as equivalent to the was?  And if not, what would the Double Wand look like if represented? (Don’t forget it is a Double Wand of Power, not Wand (singular) of Double Power & as such, should maybe broadly look like the shape of the number 11?)

The was sceptre is not the double wand of power. The double wand of power would likely be represented by the Caduceus.

As far as it relates to the Cairo Working, The term "wand of double power" originates with the description Crowley provides of the was scepter held by Ra-Hoor-Khuit on the Stele of Revealing: Quoted from The Equinox of the Gods: Green is the wand of double Power; his r.h. is empty.

The term "wand of double power" is used twice in the invocation of Hoor used to invoke Horus during the Cairo Working; it may be a term that originates with the Golden Dawn, or with Rose while advising her husband on what to include in the ritual.

You could very well be correct and to be certain I have not scoured Crowley's writings so thoroughly as to superimpose my image; conception over any others. It is an rather intuitive deduction by myself, since in the suggested instance there would be three powers - the third, then, represented by the ankh. At least this is the conclusion i'm drawn to?

Edit: Perhaps, green indicates, that the wand of double power is incomplete or really only a single power -at least at that moment in history? "grasping at straws" 🙂


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"Horemakhet" wrote:
I am personally unable to fathom why it is necessary to certain members to disprove the "reception" story.

I don't think it's a matter of "disproving" on the part of most people; it's just a matter of getting to the truth.

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He was amongst the best; perhaps the greatest. His tenacity & willpower & command of the English language secures him a lofty place amongst even those who despise him.

This sounds like an entry for the AC Appreciation Society.


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Is there any indication that Crowley had access to, or was under the influence of, any drugs during the time period beginning with Rose's statement, "They're waiting for you," up until and shortly after the reception of, Liber L? Is there any affirmation that he did not have access to, or was under the influence of, any drugs during that time?

Also,

For these reasons and many more I am certain, I the Beast, whose number is Six Hundred and Sixty Six, that this Third Chapter of the Book of the Law is nothing less than the authentic Word, the Word of the Aeon, the Truth about Nature at this time and on this planet. I wrote it, hating it and sneering at it, secretly glad that I could use it to revolt against this Task most terrible that the Gods have thrust remorselessly upon my shoulders, their Cross of burning steel that I must carry even to my Calvary, the place of a skull, there to be eased of its weight only that I be crucified thereon. But, being lifted up, I will draw the whole world unto me; and men shall worship me the Beast, Six Hundred and Three-score and Six, celebrating to Me their Midnight Mass every time soever when they do that they will, and on Mine altar slaying to Me that victim I most relish, their Selves; when Love designs and Will executes the Rite whereby (an they know it or not) their God in man is offered to me The Beast, their God, the Rite whose virtue, making their God of their throned Beast, leaves nothing, howso bestial, undivine.
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"Horemakhet" wrote:
I am personally unable to fathom why it is necessary to certain members to disprove the "reception" story.

I don't think it's a matter of "disproving" on the part of most people; it's just a matter of getting to the truth.

"Horemakhet" wrote:
He was amongst the best; perhaps the greatest. His tenacity & willpower & command of the English language secures him a lofty place amongst even those who despise him.

This sounds like an entry for the AC Appreciation Society.

Indeed.

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"Azidonis" wrote:
Is there any indication that Crowley had access to, or was under the influence of, any drugs during the time period beginning with Rose's statement, "They're waiting for you," up until and shortly after the reception of, Liber L? Is there any affirmation that he did not have access to, or was under the influence of, any drugs during that time?

An interesting question, and it's one that I've been researching for the forthcoming book.

Hashish, I guess, is a given, but anything else?

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"Shiva" wrote:
"Horemakhet" wrote:
I am personally unable to fathom why it is necessary to certain members to disprove the "reception" story.

I don't think it's a matter of "disproving" on the part of most people; it's just a matter of getting to the truth.

"Horemakhet" wrote:
He was amongst the best; perhaps the greatest. His tenacity & willpower & command of the English language secures him a lofty place amongst even those who despise him.

This sounds like an entry for the AC Appreciation Society.

Hot bloody Jesus!- well I am snuffed out once again 🙂


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"lashtal" wrote:
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Is there any indication that Crowley had access to, or was under the influence of, any drugs during the time period beginning with Rose's statement, "They're waiting for you," up until and shortly after the reception of, Liber L? Is there any affirmation that he did not have access to, or was under the influence of, any drugs during that time?

An interesting question, and it's one that I've been researching for the forthcoming book.

Hashish, I guess, is a given, but anything else?

I suppose it should have been directly stated, but the same question applies not only for Crowley, but for others involved, whose name he listed, grouped as "Crowley and Company" or whatever.

Also, we know that eventually Rose took to copious amounts of alcohol, but I do no recall if she was a heavy drinker early on.


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Rose was not an alcoholic when he married her. She was a bit "crazy"- but in the way that attracted Aleister to her. What happened to her is a real tragedy; & I think that AC should have been a better husband. She was his Muse, & he didn't take care of her. It is so sad.


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"Horemakhet" wrote:
Rose was not an alcoholic when he married her. She was a bit "crazy"- but in the way that attracted Aleister to her. What happened to her is a real tragedy; & I think that AC should have been a better husband. She was his Muse, & he didn't take care of her. It is so sad.

So are you saying she never drank alcohol, or at least never got drunk, nor did she partake in any other substances in question (legal or illegal), until after the death of Poupee (? could be wrong kid, or wrong spelling)? If so, can you cite the proof of that assertion?

Also, by admitting she was 'a bit "crazy"' - as you put it - you are calling Rose's sanity into question. What do you mean by 'a bit "crazy"'?


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Of course the Aiwass/Aiwaz etc seen as `I was` the author has been bandied about for a long time by many people.
...Crowley as the ultimate author of Liber AL the Liberal document.

Crowley sees Aiwass as his HGA which over the years he has changed position on from it being a part of his own unconscious, his superconsciousness or a separate(but part of the whole/Oneness) entity or discarnate entity.

Journalist Sarah Veale has also argued that Aiwass was an externalised part of Crowley's psyche and in support of this view quotes Crowley himself as saying:

Ah, you realize that magick is something we do to ourselves. But it is more convenient to assume the objective existence of an angel who gives us new knowledge than to allege that our invocation has awakened a supernormal power in ourselves. (Kaczynski, 542)
-From wikipedia Aiwass entry (sorry)

The standard budget red faux leather looking edition of Liber AL has had `The book of the Law` on its spine generally, however recent editions have the spine as displaying `Crowley  The book of the Law` which is an interesting change in itself being an official OTO publication.Is this reflective of the current belief as to the ultimate author or more a a copyright issue. of course one could always say the Crowley on the spine merely points to the introduction.

Then the reception of Liber AL Vel legis. Above in a few posts we have discussion of the/a `double wand of power`, Crowley writes of Aiwass/AIVAS/Aiwaz `He seemed to be a tall, dark man in his thirties, well-knit, active and strong, with the face of a savage king, and eyes veiled lest their gaze should destroy what they saw` over his left shoulder `dictating`.
We also hear of a servant named Hamid or Hassan `tall, dignified handsome athlete of about 30`.
We also know that Crowley had many alter egos one of which being Alice who preferred the passive position in the beast with two backs.
And we know Crowley used this position himself in ritual magick.

I propose somewhat not-so-seroius but also as a serious possibility that Crowley and Hassan/Hamid conducted a sex magick ritual with Crowley in the passive position, thus creating a situation of a `double wand of power`, and the person over his left shoulder was Hassan,Hamid being physically active and acting as a passive energy channel whilst Crowley in the passive position physically was active in the Intellectual/intuition spheres and receptive to incoming power(cue joke -fnar fnar). Hassan/Hamid being the conduit/vehicle was essentially seemingly dictating (or Dick-tating) the book to Crowley via the Gods/or the Greater universe etc or simply allowing Crowley to access his own (Crowleys)unconscious or superconscioussness through ritual/sex and perhaps other chemical means.
*I dont mean anything verbal was dictated from Hassan/Hamid own mouth, the dictating was merely mediumistic with the Hamid/Hassan as a vehicle.

The name Aiwass can also be made from the letters of Aleister Crowley/Hassan

dates and watermark papers aside I also propose as I think others have done that the manuscript of Liber AL now held is a copy, perhaps one Crowley even made for Rose which she `corrected` from the original itself.

As for the title page it is needed to make a pyramid shape out of the pages, that is If the pages are are the original manuscript from those days in Cairo.

*Anyway just some random thoughts spliced together to keep the ball rolling on this enjoyable thread.

*EDIT. `oops meant to make something out of the quote `March 23: "The ritual is of sex; Mars in the house of Venus exciting the jealousy of Saturn or Vulcan"


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Assuming Hassan to be Mars, I had read the March 23 quotation with Rose as Venus- you think "Alice" would be Venus (as Paul also appears to suggest above), with Rose as Saturn? AL 3:43-45 might be read as encouragement to Rose from the author of those words to continue sexual practices she found troubling.


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"newneubergOuch2" wrote:
I propose somewhat not-so-seroius but also as a serious possibility that Crowley and Hassan/Hamid conducted a sex magick ritual with Crowley in the passive position, thus creating a situation of a `double wand of power`, and the person over his left shoulder was Hassan,Hamid being physically active and acting as a passive energy channel whilst Crowley in the passive position physically was active in the Intellectual/intuition spheres and receptive to incoming power(cue joke -fnar fnar). Hassan/Hamid being the conduit/vehicle was essentially seemingly dictating (or Dick-tating) the book to Crowley via the Gods/or the Greater universe etc or simply allowing Crowley to access his own (Crowleys)unconscious or superconscioussness through ritual/sex and perhaps other chemical means.
*I dont mean anything verbal was dictated from Hassan/Hamid own mouth, the dictating was merely mediumistic with the Hamid/Hassan as a vehicle.

Are you suggesting that it's possible Crowley wasn't sitting in a chair at a desk or table, but instead was bent over on the receiving end for an hour each day?

Btw, I'm still interested in whether drugs (hashish being one), alcohol, or other 'substances' were available or used during the entirety (or portions) of the Working.


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"lashtal" wrote:
"Azidonis" wrote:
Is there any indication that Crowley had access to, or was under the influence of, any drugs during the time period beginning with Rose's statement, "They're waiting for you," up until and shortly after the reception of, Liber L? Is there any affirmation that he did not have access to, or was under the influence of, any drugs during that time?

An interesting question, and it's one that I've been researching for the forthcoming book.

Hashish, I guess, is a given, but anything else?

If AC was under the influence of any drugs (and hashish does seem the most likely if any, maybe also opium) it would presumably have to be the same drugs in the same proportions & under the same set & setting (which presumably the Cairo hotel room was, but I am talking about all the other minor details) on EACH of the three days in order to achieve the same effects (i.e., the dictation scenario)?  This seems just about possible but extremely unlikely…

"Horemakhet" wrote:
Rose was not an alcoholic when he married her. She was a bit "crazy"- but in the way that attracted Aleister to her. What happened to her is a real tragedy; & I think that AC should have been a better husband. She was his Muse, & he didn't take care of her. It is so sad.

We don’t know all the circumstances so we can’t sit in judgement – but broadly taken and on the available information, there seems to be some sort of a case for this, as stated.

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So are you saying she never drank alcohol, or at least never got drunk, nor did she partake in any other substances in question (legal or illegal), until after the death of Poupee (? could be wrong kid, or wrong spelling)?

Poupée was Crowley’s little girl who lived and died during the later Cefalu period.  His daughter whom Rose gave birth to was Nuit Ma Ahathoor Hecate Sappho Jezebel Lilith.  According to A.C., Duncombe Jewell caddishly remarked afterwards that she had “died of acute nomenclature”. (I know this by heart as I was thinking of calling my own daughter most of them but in the end settled for “[censored in the interests of privacy] Leila Rose”, to her doubtless relief!).  I think A.C. & Rose had another daughter (was it Lola Zaza?) who I think was taken into the equivalent of ‘care’ & lived a lot longer into adulthood, but  am open to correction and I don’t think much further information is known about her.

"Azidonis" wrote:
Also, by admitting she was 'a bit "crazy"' - as you put it - you are calling Rose's sanity into question. What do you mean by 'a bit "crazy"'?

Maybe she might also have had a case of Bipolar affective disorder? A lot of artistic, creative types are susceptible to this condition.

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Fwiw, Crowley started experimenting with opium in late 1905 / early 1906. In The Confessions, he recalls buying the proper apparatus for smoking opium while in China, and proceeded to smoke 25 bowls with no effect, only to realize he had failed to inhale properly; sounds like his first time at trying opium.


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"Azidonis" wrote:
Are you suggesting that it's possible Crowley wasn't sitting in a chair at a desk or table, but instead was bent over on the receiving end for an hour each day?

LOL! Well it's no wonder he was writing so quickly!


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i nominate herupakraath for "best comment thus far in 2013!" 🙂


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"herupakraath" wrote:
"Azidonis" wrote:
Are you suggesting that it's possible Crowley wasn't sitting in a chair at a desk or table, but instead was bent over on the receiving end for an hour each day?

LOL! Well it's no wonder he was writing so quickly!

Wow. I just... wouldn't there be more random markings? They would have probably gone through more paper.

I mean, if I were Hamid, I would wait until Crowley went to dot an i, and just thrust!

And the "white stains" on page [blank] - If you take a black light to the MSS, you can see it clearly says, "Hamid was here".

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i nominate herupakraath for "best comment thus far in 2013!" 🙂

Agreed. 🙂


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How many holographs are there in the writing of The Beast anyway?  To my knowledge there are 2, but all of the reproductions I have seen appear to relate to the ‘original’ one of ‘1904’.  Wasn’t there a further copy done for some reason while A.C. was at Cefalu?  A comparison between the two may possibly shed further light upon the nature of the amendments and “grid page”, at least, and even if there are what would otherwise seem minute ‘discrepancies’ between them they may still be of some significance.

Apart from anything else, it would be a singular and almost unparalled achievement in history for Crowley to have concocted a text as internally complex and structurally intricate as The Book of the Law together with the story behind it all as some sort of a deliberate hoax, and then to have maintained the fiction with absolute heartfelt conviction and unwavering one-pointedness for 43 years right up until his very death.  The whole business is a conundrum through & through, though, and that’s a ‘fact’. 

Yes, that image of A.C. being right royally rogered up the arse whilst taking dictation is one that is now burned forever on my mind, I think!  It would certainly account for any 'shaky' handwriting on his part...

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"Apart from anything else, it would be a singular and almost unparalled achievement in history for Crowley to have concocted a text as internally complex and structurally intricate as The Book of the Law together with the story behind it all as some sort of a deliberate hoax, and then to have maintained the fiction with absolute heartfelt conviction and unwavering one-pointedness for 43 years right up until his very death."

This may not be the only case of a deliberate hoax.
As I understand it, Crowley was highly influenced by John Dee and Edward Kelley (one of Crowley's previous incarnations).
Now, there is speculation that the Enochian system was also "created" by Dee and Kelley and that it wasn't received from "Angels".
Could there be a pattern emerging here?
Could it be that these claims of contact with 'Praeternatural Intelligences' is just simply contact with their own creative genius?
This question has probably been put forward countless times!


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"jamie barter" wrote:
Wasn’t there a further copy done for some reason while A.C. was at Cefalu?

uncertain whether it was the only one done there, but Frater Genesthai made a very attractive red & black copy at Cefalu.


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"jamie barter" wrote:
Yes, that image of A.C. being right royally rogered up the arse whilst taking dictation is one that is now burned forever on my mind, I think!  It would certainly account for any 'shaky' handwriting on his part...

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"WilliamThirteen" wrote:
uncertain whether it was the only one done there, but Frater Genesthai made a very attractive red & black copy at Cefalu.

93, William!

Thanks for that, I have never seen it before. A really nice work (at least from the outside).

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After considering some of points raised in the accusations made on the webpage that promotes R.T. Cole's forthcoming book, Liber AL vel Bogus, I created a blog entry that analyzes some of the points made on the page:

http://thelima.org/blog1/2013/02/17/liber-l-vel-bogus/


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Interesting 'pre-book-rebuttal'. Thanks for sharing.


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thanks herupakraath, fascinating reading!


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April 10th, 2014.

Wasn't there supposed to be a PDF version of this 'Liber AL vel Bogus' made freely available online for all to read the 'revealing new details about the reception of TBOTL story'? Seems the original site is .... offline ?


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Wasn't there supposed to be a PDF version of this 'Liber AL vel Bogus' made freely available online for all to read the 'revealing new details about the reception of TBOTL story'? Seems the original site is .... offline ?

Please see the discussion here: http://www.lashtal.com/forum/http://www.lashtal.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9

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lashtal (@lashtal) Owner and Editor:

"... On 16 March 1904, Crowley reports that Rose began repeating, "They are waiting for you." He responds with an apparently flippant remark regarding who the “Waiter” might be. On 18 March the Thoth Invocation is repeated, and Crowley reports that it was "revealed that the waiter was Horus, whom I had offended and ought to invoke." He does so and achieves 'startling success' on 20 March. [...]

remembering that Crowley repeatedly mentions 'waiters' and 'waiting' in this context - 'the waiter was Horus' - it's interesting that he refers in Confessions (Chapter 42) to a journey by ship to Egypt for his first visit to Cairo: "I note in my diary that the food was ‘beastly, and abominable, and absurdly dear’. If I remember correctly, it was cooked by a Greek and served by an Armenian."

Now, that's a loaded sentence, with its indirect mentions of Beast and Abomination! But let's allow that to pass and focus on the last part: 'served by an Armenian.' An odd detail to remember two decades after the event, really, but... The Armenian word for a 'servant attending on the guests' is Ayvaz! In Turkish, the word indicates a cook or servant in 'big mansions'. [...]"

 

"Ancient Egyptian sources are largely silent on the subject of same-sex love.

Our insights into the matter mostly come from just [...]:

• A myth about the gods Horus and Seth, [...]

In the Contendings of Horus and Seth, a myth with several versions, Seth and his nephew Horus vie for the throne of Egypt.

Seth tries and tries to get the better of Horus. At last, he decides to subjugate him by inebriating, seducing, and inseminating him.

‘How beautiful are your buttocks, how vital!’ This line, used by Seth on his nephew, is probably the oldest recorded chat-up, gay or straight, in all of history.

In the event, Horus is not all that drunk, and succeeds in catching Seth’s semen in his hand.

The next day, he shows his manky hand to his mother Isis, and then washes his hands in the Nile.

Together, Horus and Isis plot their revenge on Seth.

Horus goes to find Seth’s lunch and masturbates into his lettuce.

After enjoying his dressed salad, Seth puts his case before the tribunal of the gods, but, of course, Horus disputes his claim.

When Thoth calls forth their semen, that of Seth rises from the Nile, while that of Horus pours out of Seth’s mouth.

The myth suggests that, in Ancient Egypt as in Ancient Rome, the sticking point, if you’ll forgive the pun, was not so much with same-sex love per se, as with a male playing a passive or receptive role. [...]

It is notable that Horus had no qualms about being seduced by Seth, or even with bedding him, but only with being inseminated by him. [...]

Like all ancient peoples, the Egyptians valued fertility and dominance, and disapproved in particular of the passive or receptive male role.

But they did not have a rigid convention of sexuality as either heterosexual or homosexual, and, at least at certain times, and in certain strata, may have tolerated and even celebrated same-sex love."

(Source: Pychology Today[.] Neel Burton M.D. The Oldest Gays in History Three tales of same-sex love in Ancient Egypt. Posted Jul 14, 2017 - - - https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/hide-and-seek/201707/the-oldest-gays-in-history )


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Horus goes to find Seth’s lunch and masturbates into his lettuce.

We can always count on you for quality posting, wrwb.

So you are saying that "Lucky Hamid", the room-service waiter at Shepheard's Hotel in Cairo, masturbated into AC's lettuce and thus provoked AL, rather than doing so by having a three-way sexual encounter with Rose and AC, as many others might suggest was correct?

I had previously thought myself a man of reasonably wide sexual horizons, but must confess that i had never considered the possibilities of salad greens, or salads, as objects of lust before.

I thank you for pointing out this lacuna in my imagination, and of course, Rule 34 has not failed us here, although i was only able to find one actual example (left as an exercise for the reader) of "lettuce porn".

As i believe you are a non-native English speaker, note that the British term "salad cream" may not mean what you think it does. And "to toss [someone's] salad" means something entirely different involving no actual lettuce.


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wrwb seems to have turned shy on us, after his very intriguing post of a couple days ago

His "lettuce hypothesis" as to Rose and Aleister's Cairo honeymoon brought to mind the very a propos old joke about the recipe for a "Honeymoon Salad": "Lettuce alone, without dressing."

Well, "without dressing" til Hamid/Horus comes into the picture, as it were.


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Posted by: @ignant666

Lettuce alone, without dressing.

Lettuce pray ...


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I notice that the Ancient Egyptians and their god Horus, represent a culture which in sexual matters disapproved in particular of the passive or receptive male role, with respect to all the sexual innuendos about them in this thread; concerning 'the waiter was Horus', being the waiter Hamid working for AC during the latter's honeymoon vacation in Egypt, . 

And I do also notice that AC often was the passive partner with his male lovers, and that the passive or receptive male role in sexual matters is also disapproved of in popular Arab culure.


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(Sorry for chainposting.)  (Bold added by me for emphasis:)

 

"Crowley and his (possible) discrepancies", with respect to possible sex magick operations before meeting Reuss in 1912:

 

Thank you to one IAO131 for bringing to my attention what Aleister Crowley refers to in his The Book of the Law, chapter 2 verse 9, with the words "... but there is that which remains." That is, that AC in his Liber 333 (= The Book of Lies, first published in 1912 or 1913), reveals/states that “... the snake is the hieroglyphic representation of semen, particularly in Gnostic and Egyptian emblems.”, and that “... that which remains.” in his The Book of the Law, is identified with the snake or serpent "speaking" in said chapter of said book, and "speaking" the said words “... that which remains.”:

(The Book of the Law, Chapter 2, verse 26.:) "I am the secret Serpent coiled about to spring: in my coiling there is joy. If I lift up my head, I and my Nuit are one. If I droop down mine head, and shoot forth venom, then is rapture of the earth, and I and the earth are one."

Hadit, the "secret Serpent" in, and "speaker" of, Chapter 2 of Aleister Crowley's The Book of the Law, "stating" that (Chapter 2, verse 7) "I am the Magician and the Exorcist. I am the axle of the wheel, and the cube in the circle. "Come unto me" is a foolish word: for it is I that go.", fits well with said Aleister Crowley revelation/statement that “... the snake is the hieroglyphic representation of semen, particularly in Gnostic and Egyptian emblems.” 

The "secret Serpent" as an representation of semen describing itself as "I am the Magician ..." in the most important book of Aleister Crowley's Thelema, written or scribed in 1904 according to him, is a strong indication of that Crowley already from 1904 associated a sexual fluid with magic. This also indicates that Aleister Crowley was aware of sex magick operations involving a sexual fluid, many years before meeting Reuss in 1912. 

The following quotes below, documents Aleister Crowley, from 1907 to 1911, repeatedly mentioning what he called "the Dew of Immortality",  in Class A texts or books of his Thelema, and other important books or texts of his Thelema. In Liber 860, Crowley's record of the magical retirement which he undertook between October 1st - 13th, 1908, published 1909 in The Equinox, Vol. I: No. 1, he even states "How easy is magic, once the way is found!", just before mentioning "... from the overshadowing Tree of Life, [...] drops ever and anon, self-luminous, the Dew of Immortality." AC's latter statement indicates him doing sex magick operations involving a sexual fluid, years before meeting Reuss in 1912:

 

 

"... NOTE: written originally on April 12, 2009 [...] 1) Death/Attainment as Non-cataclysmic

“…There is that which remains.”
-Liber AL vel Legis [= Aleister Crowley's The Book of the Law] II:9 [...]

... the New Aeon point-of-view conceives existence as a Serpent whose undulations are Life and Death. [...]

There may be processes of creation, destruction, and reconstruction ([the "Old Aeon"] IAO) but there is always “that which remains.” [...] Even though the phallus of the father must “die” in ejaculation, it is a necessary step for new Life – the Child – to emerge… And the Semen, the Quintessence, remains unchanged (“that which remains”) throughout the entire process. This symbolic process exemplifies the ideas of the New Aeon, especially because the “death” in this case is ecstatic: the death is literally orgasmic. Further, Crowley writes in The Book of Lies, “the snake is the hieroglyphic representation of semen” and so the semen which is “that which remains” is identified with the snake or serpent which, as explained above, represents That which contains the complements of Life and Death (being the crest and trough of His undulations)."

(Source: "NEW AEON INITIATION: INTRODUCTION & DEATH/ATTAINMENT AS NON-CATACLYSMIC", by IAO131 - - - https://iao131.com/2010/07/22/new-aeon-initiation-introduction-death-attainment-as-non-cataclysmic/ )

 

"... if I be drunken, it is of the Wine of Iacchus, the Dew of Immortality, the Lustral Fountain in the chalice of the Stolistes or Stolistria."

(Source: Konx Om Pax. Essays in Light, by Aleister Crowley. Published by London, Walter Scott Publishing Co., 1907, page 24. - - - http://www.astrumargenteum.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Konx-Om-Pax-by-Aleister-Crowley.pdf )

"The Twelvth Day [...] There is no part of me that is not of the Gods . . . [...] How easy is magic, once the way is found!
How still is the soul! The turbid spate of emotio has ceased; the heavy particles of thought have sunk to the bottom; how limpid, how lucid in its glimmer. Only from above, from the overshadowing Tree of Life, whose leaves glisten and quiver in the shining wind of the Spirit, drops ever and anon, self-luminous, the Dew of Immortality."

(Source: "John St. John" (= Liber 860). Crowley's record of the magical retirement which he undertook between October 1st - 13th, 1908. Crowley originally published the text - which he described as "A model of what a magical record should be, so far as accurate analysis and fullness of description are concerned", as a "Special Supplement" in The Equinox, Vol. I: No. 1 (1909) - - - https://www.iberlibro.com/firmado/John-St-John-CROWLEY-Aleister-OTO/30655276074/bd )

 

((First endnote to "The Cry of the 3rd Aethyr, ..." in Aleister Crowley's Book 418: )

"[1] The last three Aethyrs [= 3rd Aethyr, 2nd Aethyr, and 1st Aethyr] are so tremendously sublime that comment is only too likely to mar the effect upon the reader. They must be read as masterpieces of Art, and their full magical import apprehended as such. This remark, indeed applies to the whole series, though not so formidably. The proper way is first to study the book in detail, so as to assimilate perfectly its intellectual content, and then to read it (so to say) ceremonially. [...]" )

 

("The Cry of the 1st Aethyr, ..." in Aleister Crowley's Book 418: )

"... There has never been such peace, such silence. But these are positive things. Singing praises of things eternal amid the flames of first glory, and every note of every song is a fresh flower in the garland of peace. [...] There is dew on all the fire. Every drop is the quintessence of the ecstasy of stars. [...] And this is the song: [...] Stainless are my lips, for they are redder than the purple of the vine, and of the blood wherewith I am intoxicated. Stainless is my forehead, for it is whiter than the wind and the dew that cooleth it. [...] ... ye shall all sit down together at the supernal banquet, and ye shall feast upon the honey of the gods, and be drunk upon the dew of immortality — FOR I AM HORUS, THE CROWNED AND CONQUERING CHILD, WHOM THOU KNEWEST NOT!"

(Source: Aleister Crowley's Book 418. The Cry of the 1st Aethyr, written December 19, 1909. - - - https://hermetic.com/crowley/the-vision-and-the-voice/aethyr1 )

"27. O my children, ye are more beautiful than the flowers: ye must not fade in your season.
28. I love you; I would sprinkle you with the divine dew of immortality.
29. This immortality is no vain hope beyond the grave: I offer you the certain consciousness of bliss.
30. I offer it at once, on earth; before an hour hath struck upon the bell, ye shall be with Me in the Abodes that are beyond Decay."

(Source: Book 90 (= Liber Tzaddi vel Hamus Hermeticus), written 1911 as a class A text and holy book within AC's Thelema - - - https://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib90 )

 


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OMG!  That was a blockbuster.


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AC's understanding of Hadit, the "secret Serpent" in, and "speaker" of, Chapter 2 of his The Book of the Law, in line with his statement in his The Book of Lies that "... the snake is the hieroglyphic representation of semen, particularly in Gnostic and Egyptian emblems.”, is reflected in his following comments to his The Book of the Law:

"A male star is built up from the centre outwards, a female star from the circumference inwards. This is what is meant when we say that woman has no soul. It explains fully the difference between the sexes."
Source: Aleister Crowley's The New Comment to Chapter 1, verse 3.)

"Now the Semen is God (the going-one, as shown by the Ankh or Sandal-strap, which He carries) because he goes in at the Door, stays there for a specified period, and comes out again, having flowered, and still bearing in him that Seed of Going. (The birth of a girl is a misfortune everywhere, because the true Going-Principle is the Lion-Serpent, or Dragon; the Egg is only the Cavern where he takes refuge on occasions)."
(Source: Aleister Crowley's The New Comment to Chapter 3, verse 55.)


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(Sorry for chainposting.)

In 1902 Aleister Crowley authored Berashith An Essay In Ontology [Ontology = the branch of philosophy that studies concepts such as existence, being, becoming, and reality] With Some remarks on Ceremonial Magic by Abhavanda (Aleister Crowley), where he (page 1:) presents a "theory of the Universe". In this essay he (page 2:) claims to have "re-discovered the long-lost and central Arcanum (or secret) of the Qabalists", with respect to how they explain the "First Cause" of the Universe, a "First Cause" which AC describes as "... Not, and nothing else."

Later in this essay (page 3:) he asserts "THE ABSOLUTENESS OF THE QABALISTIC ZERO [...] [from which] the Cosmos sprang ...", and postulates that a truly absolute 0 understood as "Nothingness, extended in no categories", (and not a "ordinary 0 of mathematics dependent on the idea of categories"), is "Our Cosmic Egg [...] from which the present universe arose, ...".

Aleister Crowley's just mentioned Qabalah inspired ontological speculations in his essay in ontology from 1902, titled Berashit and published privately in Paris 1903, are repeated by him in the most important book of his Thelema, The Book of the Law, supposedly written in 1904. As Aleister Crowley in its Chapter I, verse 46, states that "Nothing is a secret key of this law. Sixty-one the Jews call it; I call it eight, eighty, four hundred & eighteen." And as he in its Chapter III, verse 2, states that "There is division hither homeward; there is a word not known. Spelling is defunct; all is not aught." (Aught = pronoun ARCHAIC [=] anything at all. Oxford Languages and Google).

On page 5 in this essay, Crowley criticizes that "... all religions except the Buddhist and [...] the Qabalistic, have sought to annihilate their own personality [...] by creating in thought an infinite Impersonal Personality, by /defining/ it as such, ...".

Also on page 5 of this essay, he states that the task of "... the Buddhist recluse", is that "He must plunge every particle of his being into one idea: right views, aspirations, word, deed, life, willpower, meditation, rapture, such are the stages of his liberation, which resolves itself into a struggle against the laws of causality."

(Source: Berashit An essay on ontology with some remarks on ceremonial magic - - - http://www.astrumargenteum.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Aleister-Crowley-Berashith.pdf )

Aleister Crowley's just mentioned description from 1902, of that the task of a Buddhist recluse, is that "He must plunge every particle of his being into one idea:", has resemblance to the insistence within his The Book of the Law, that all actions and all rituals of Thelemites shall allways be unto "... Space— that is, the total of possibilities of every kind ...", an idea ".. for literary convenience symbolized by the Egyptian Goddess Nuit, ...", within this book. (Source: Liber AL vel Legis [...] A∴A∴ Publication in Class A Introduction /I The Book/ - - - https://lib.oto-usa.org/libri/liber0220.html )

On page three in his aforementioned essay from 1902, AC states that "Such teaching as he [Buddha] gave on the point [with respect to questions about how things came to be] may be summed up as follows. “Whence, whither, why, we know not; but we do know that we are here, [...]".

This has resemblance to the following from his The New Comment to his The Book of the Law's Chapter 1, verse 3. "Every man and every woman is a star.":
"This thesis['] [...] main statement is that each human being is an Element of the Cosmos, self-determined and supreme, co-equal with all other Gods. [...] If we presuppose many elements, their interplay is natural. It is no objection to this theory to ask who made the elements – the elements are at least there; and God, when you look for him, is not there. ..."

At the end of page 5 in his 1902 essay Berashit, AC expresses fear of an Absolute involving infinite heat and cold, joy and sorrow, light and darkness, and all the other pairs of opposites canceling one another out. And in a footnote relating to this Absolute, he states that "The Hindus see this as well as any one ...", and thus reagard Satcitananda (= "truth, consciousness, bliss") as "... being above the pairs of opposites, rather on the Hegelian lines of the reconciliation (rather than the identity) of opposites in a master-idea." This statement predates the culmination of AC's second most important book of his Thelema, The Vision and the Voice, in which "HORUS, THE CROWNED AND CONQUERING CHILD, WHOM THOU KNEWEST NOT!" 'says'; "I am light, and I am night, and I am that which is beyond them.

I am speech, and I am silence, and I am that which is beyond them.

I am life, and I am death, and I am that which is beyond them.

I am war, and I am peace, and I am that which is beyond them.

I am weakness, and I am strength, and I am that which is beyond them.

Yet by none of these can man reach up to me. Yet by each of them must man reach up to me."
(Source: Aleister Crowley's 1909 book The Vision and Voice, The Cry of the 1st Aethyr, Which is Called LIL (LIL = Lamp of the Invisible Light, Lamp of the Invisible Light was also the name of an Order founded in Mexico 1900 by AC.))

With respect to the enthusiasm for Qabalah expressed by Aleister Crowley in his Berashith An Essay In Ontology written in 1902, he understood the Sepirah Binah (= Understanding) on the Qabalistic Tree of life, to reflect the Egyptian Goddess Nuit, used for literary convenience in his The Book of the Law. (Source: Aleister Crowley's The New Comment to Chapter II, verse 5., in his The Book of the Law.)

Also, Aleister Crowley's The Book of the Law itself implies the Qabalistic Tree of Life's supernal triad (= Kether, the Crown, the spark of Godhead; Chokmah, Wisdom, the All-Father; Binah, Understanding, the Great Mother), with reference to "the threefold book of Law" (I:35. "This that thou writest is the threefold book of Law."), and "Three Grades" (I:40. "Who calls us Thelemites will do no wrong, if he look but close into the word. For there are therein Three Grades, the Hermit, and the Lover, and the man of Earth. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.")

In Aleister Crowley 1938 book Little Essays Toward Truth, consisting of sixteen philosophical essays on various topics within the framework of the Qabalah and Crowley's religion of Thelema, he provides this definition of Binah in the essay titled Love:
"... omniform as Love and as Death, the Great Sea whence all Life springs, and whose black womb reabsorbs all. She thus resumes in herself the duplex process of the Formula of Love under Will; for is not Pan the All-Begetter in the heart of the Groves at high noon, and is not Her"hair the trees of Eternity"[*] the filaments of All-Devouring Godhead "under the Night of Pan?." ([*]: The Book of the Law: Chapter I, verse 59.)

With respect to his enthusiasm for Qabalah, Aleiste Crowley also understood the term Hardit used in his The Book of the Law, to reflect the sephira Chokmah (= Wisdom) on the Qabalistic Tree of life, and understood the third and last chapter of his The Book of the Law, as representing the voice of the sepirah Kether (= Crown) on the Qabalistic Tree of life. (Source: Aleister Crowley's The New Comment to Chapter II, verse 5., and his The New Comment to Chapter II, verse 2., in that book.)

And if AC had written his The Book of the Law without ever having seen said stele, or without ever having visited Egyp, i would still have been a threefold book, mentioning three grades, and be similar with respect to the content about Thelema. As Qabalah was of core importance to his Thelema, and he stated that "It has been my continual study since 1898, [...]. "From 1905 to 1918 the Tao Teh King was my continual study." (Source: Chapter XXXV: The Tao (2), in Magick Without Tears.)

 

With respect to RTC's claim that the paper on which the handwritten manuscript of The Book of the Law is written wasn't manufactured until 1906, I notice the following:

First: In the first posting on page 4 in this thread, belmurru points to, and asks for confirmation of, proof that Liber L [= The Book of the Law] already existed by May, 1904 (Source: https://www.lashtal.com/forums/postid/76774/ ). Also on page 4 in this thread, conformation of this proof is then provided by Owner and Editor LAShTAL (Source: https://www.lashtal.com/forums/postid/76776/ ).

Second: Aleister Crowley did already in 1905 ask for help to "... found a new world religion.", and was predicting that "... in a hundred years, the world will be sitting in the dawn of a New Aeon." (Page 134, in the Revised and Expanded Edition 2010, of Richard Kaczynski's Perdurabo: The Life of Aleister Crowley.)

My conclusion:
It appears that core Qabalah related elements of what AC used in his The Book of the Law, supposedly written in 1904, was already covered by him in 1902, where he refers to the Qabalistic religion, and repeatedly and positively refers to Qabalah, when writing Berashit An essay on ontology with some remarks on ceremonial magic. Also, belmurru and Owner and Editor LAShTAL does in this thread refer to proof confirming that AC's The Book of the Law existed already in May 1904. And in addition, Richard Kaczynski does in his book Perdurabo: The Life of Aleister Crowley, mention that Aleister Crowley did already in 1905 ask for help to "... found a new world religion." And the aforementioned informtion appears to support that AC's The Book of the Law was written before 1906, even if RTC can provide proof confirming that the paper on which the handwritten manuscript of The Book of the Law is written wasn't manufactured until 1906. Based on my research, my impression is that AC can have written his The Book of the Law during one of the following three years, 1902, 1903, or 1904.


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@wellreadwellbred
Ok i see your looking into possible different reception accounts.


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Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

AC can have written his The Book of the Law during one of the following three years, 1902, 1903, or 1904.

Is there some reason to think that 1904 is not the correct answer?

This whole wrwb line of argument reminds me of the claim that Shakespeare's plays were not written by him, but by another man of the same name.


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In this tread I have covered RTC's claim that AC's BOTL can not have been written before 1906, and my research on this matter, leading me to conclude that there is a possibility that AC can have written BOTL in 1902, 1903 or before May 1904. Another matter is which of those years that is the most likely year for the writing of this book.


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@wellreadwellbred
Ah so you haven’t yet decided which account to use.
Well hope your time and efforts on a reception account provide fruit for you and your Thelemic journey growth.

Let us know when you decide and how that has helped you.


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Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

my impression is that AC can have written his The Book of the Law during one of the following three years, 1902, 1903, or 1904.

OMG, another Blockbuster post(s).

Hoever, you summarize this vast sea of data with dates (years) that I have perceived in your posts, and you have stated your overall theorem in only one sentence. Congratulations.

 


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Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

In this tread I have covered RTC's claim that AC's BOTL can not have been written before 1906, and my research on this matter, leading me to conclude that there is a possibility that AC can have written BOTL in 1902, 1903 or before May 1904.

In other words you are answering to a totally unsubstantiated claim by concluding there are *possibilities* that this totally unsubstantiated claim might be a - erm, without substance.

Sounds like a waste of time to me but thanks anyway for your digging...

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@the_real_simon_iff - Wow!  By association, your post diminishes any search for truth to “a waste of time,” and defines ‘patronising.’  How dare @wellreadwellbred, or anyone else, challenge even the shape of a letter in ol’ Fakey’s patently absurd and demonstrably fabricated construct!  Jeez, they’ll be wanting fire, next.   

To clarify the most probably scenario:  The text was prepared around 1902/1903.  The manuscript written shortly prior to its miraculous rediscovery in 1909 – The event that nobody present bothered to mention.  Odd, that...  🥀    


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OMG, it lives!

I think we all ought to take a moment and acknowledge the real courage @therealrtc has demonstrated by daring to show his face around these parts again, after the abject humiliation that followed the release of his utter joke of a book last spring (The Race To Conquer elGMOR), and his failure to produce "The Horus Toy®" on the promised schedule. Oh, and those Pirie watermarks, etc etc etc....

But this long litany of failures does not daunt him, and he has gotten back on the horse that has thrown him, so very many times. Bravo, sir!

Then we should all take a moment to get our spring seed and plant orders in NOW. The surfacing of the delusional cuckoo "Carrot Childe" on March 2 indicates that an early spring is just around the corner!


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Richard!

93!

Everybody's always invited to "dare" (oh, my God, the horrible consequences!) to challenge AC's accounts. This burden shall not rest on your shoulders alone. But really, if the result is that "there is a possibility" that your (so far as I know, not "demonstated") claim is - erm - not true, it seems like a waste of time to me (especially considering the time that went into his posts). Maybe it would be better to say that ”publicly concluding that it was somehow other *maybe*" seems like a waste of time, rather than looking for the facts. I apologise to Wellread. If my personal opinion seems patronising to you, well, I guess you are the specialist.

I see you expanded the possible time range for its writing.

Most probable scenario?

Also: The event that nobody present bothered to mention? I don't know how often I mentioned that before here. But cool how he got Rose to correct the manuscript shortly before she left, that was very sweet of her indeed.

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P.S. The keyword is proof, spelled w-a-t-e-r-m-a-r-k for instance.


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Posted by: @ignant666

and his failure to produce "The Horus Toy®" on the promised schedule.

There is one guy on Facebook claiming that he has an early version of the Horus Toy and it works wonders, but how real or serious that guy is or if it is Richard himself I don't know. Never heard of him before. The final product is to come soon-ish. So far he seemingly hasn't collected the 1 million dollar reward by proving the existence of the supernatural.


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There is one guy on Facebook claiming that he has an early version of the Horus Toy and it works wonders, but how real or serious that guy is or if it is Richard himself I don't know.

So unfair and just plain unworthy of you, @the_real_simon_iff, to suspect the "Carrot Childe" of acting as a sock-puppet to shill for his various scams and lines of bullshit, just because he has a long track record of using sock-puppet accounts to shill for his various scams and lines of bullshit in the past!


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Posted by: @therealrtc

patently absurd and demonstrably fabricated construct! 

Hi Richard. Here ... let me give you my soap box. It's getting dizzy up on that rickety thing.

ALL the systems are fabricated. It's like Las Vegas or the nearest Indian casino. ALL the games are rigged with rules that puts the house (overall) in the winning position (more often than not).

Please tell us about the latest, upcoming revulsions revelations about the imp Crowley  and his imaginative companion, Eye-Was.

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The text was prepared around 1902/1903. 

WRWB hints at this same hidden, dark, occult, predated scenario. Other folks here, including me, none of whom were there, have an open circuit in regards to the theory of an alternative timeline running through Cairo in the first decade of the previous century.

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The event that nobody present bothered to mention.

I certainly didn't mention it ... mainly because I really don't give a Can of Shinola ... but also because there are so many events that it's confusing to keep stating them all, all the time, along with their opposites.

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OMG, it lives!

Of course it does. If you check your semi-short-term memory, or even these threads, I re-evoked him only three days ago, hoping to introduce SW56 to the ultimate heresy.

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he has gotten back on the horse

It's spelled "Horus" ... not horse.

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an early spring is just around the corner!

It already turned the corner here in the New Mexico. There are buds on the trees and, you're right, Spring Fever will now fall from the skies.

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just because he has a long track record

Now, now, there's no need to bring up the past. Anybody can suddenly reform, repent, and reappear. In our free society, let him state his case once again, this time bearing proofs and exhibits of veracity. Meanwhile, the blacksmiths can be heating up the tips of the pointed iron rods ... just in case.

 

 


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Posted by: @therealrtc

To clarify the most probably scenario:  The text was prepared around 1902/1903.  The manuscript written shortly prior to its miraculous rediscovery in 1909 – The event that nobody present bothered to mention.  Odd, that...  🥀    

Even if this were the case, why does it matter? The fact that matters is that his system works to attain higher levels of consciousness and self control, and to contact 'others/yourself/all' If  he made it up, all the better for him! It shows his talent. 

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The keyword is proof, spelled w-a-t-e-r-m-a-r-k for instance.

True - which never got 'sorted out'

 

Posted by: @ignant666

The surfacing of the delusional cuckoo "Carrot Childe" on March 2 indicates that an early spring is just around the corner!

It sure is! Just in time for the Equinox! (of the Dogs?)

Is God to live in a Dog, or is Dick to live in Richard?

 

 

 

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There are buds on the trees and, you're right, Spring Fever will now fall from the skies.

We got something from the skies, but it wasn't spring fever. It was more like winter hypothermia. 

 

Happy almost Spring everyone!


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Even if this were the case, why does it matter? The fact that matters is that his system works to attain higher levels of consciousness and self control, and to contact 'others/yourself/all' If  he made it up, all the better for him! It shows his talent. 

You perfectly summed it up for @therealrtc (as far as I understand it): Crowley fabricated the whole thing but unknowningly tapped into the "real current", although he never had a clue about that and only glimpsed at a minimal part of it. By deciphering Crowley's fakes (though only in his - Richard's - mind so far) and decoding the "real current" (my words, you know what I mean) Richard will present the Horus Toy that Crowley has awakened (kind of) though he had no idea of that. In short: Crowley has opened (by faking) a portal (which he wasn't aware of) and Richard will finally gift the secrets of that portal to all of us (I apologise, Richard, for the crude wording, but you all get it, don't you?)

Correct?

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And @therealrtc, if your Horus Toy keeps its promises, everyone including me will forget all your own forgeries and will gladly watch you take your 1 million dollars from the Randi Society (or something like that) with which you can easily afford a night at Boleskine! Maybe we can be neighbours for a day! Isn't that amazing?

Love=Law

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Shit! I just googled that the Randi challenge was terminated in 2015. Too bad...


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