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Sanguine Chuck
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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

For now I'd like to clarify what the word 'threefold' actually means; 

Nuit does instruct us in the text to "look close into words" to find meaning.

Technically, she doesn't say "look it up in the dictionary" but I think this is an allowable reach within the system and rules we are following 🙂

Question for you, if you wished to clarify what "threefold" means, why did you only list 1 of the definitions in the dictionary and not the other?

Are you aware that there are two standard definitions of "threefold" and you only included one of them when you said you wanted to clarify the meaning of the text?

Both your definitions only focused on this.

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

three times as great or as numerous.

Well, the "actual" returns show...

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So there is the provisional, and there is the definitive...in every mental exercise, that is one of the things Nuit teaches us, very accurately I might add.

Note that the second definition of threefold is identical to the meaning of "ternary"

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Threefold Book of Law

Hermes Trismegistus also means 3x Great.

This "ternary" thing apparently has been going on for awhile!

Now, Nuit also teaches us to look "into" a word, as a paralanguage, remember how paralanguage works...

 

asdfdddddddsdjjt

Unless you know the paralanguage, which is "picture", the sentence "this is not a pipe" appears as a contradiction at first. With the paralanguage, the sentence "this is not a pipe" is now objectively and logically true, for the correct para answer is "This is a picture of a pipe"

So "three fold" 

folding is fractal.

where there is folding, there will be "unfolding", we can predict that.

When something is folded, it is concealed, when something is unfolded, it is revealed.

3x fold has para meaning of "everything in this text is concealed and revealed in ternary."

And we can read it that way in paralanguage...

The question is, when we read it this way, does it work to unlock more and more meaning, and is this meaning all consistent with the first principle?

YES.

Remember, we are in magick meta land with Liber al Vel Legis.

This sort of non-duality must be "Alice in Wonderland" friendly.

Think Meta. Strange Loops. Tangled Hierarchies. Fractals.

MC Escher.

These are all little exercises in ternary non-duality.

Note how your mind can not let you rest on a duality when viewing these! You mind wants to find the visual place to "rest", but it cannot.

The image is one thing, it is the opposite of that thing, and then it is both the opposites, at once. That is a tangled hierarchy.

escherhands
strange loop day and night
1 IpeNZEo08nQThGYwMmvYfg
0 7i3Xm09tlFp1JnoI

The friendly our minds can become to this type of plasticity, flexibility with concepts, words and meaning, the easier we can expand into infinity and experience the pure state a little bit more, each and every time.

Concepts, language and communication also follows these principles too!

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

By the way not to start a thread derailment but briefly put what do you make of Terence McKenna's theories? 

I like to consider myself an "early adopter" of Terence Mckenna, listening to him on 'Roy of Hollywood' KPFK in los angeles, 1989! 

Terence was massively influential on me that whole decade, the 90's. I am even on one of his lectures somewhere, asking him a dumb question.

I even had an email exchange with him about Crowley actually, it was one of the first emails I ever sent, and I copied and pasted all of liber al vel legis into an email to him, what a dork!

He told me he felt Crowley was on to something but that Crowley did not understand what he was on to.

I'll check out those forum links!

 

Cheers, 

Chuck

PS,

Dom/David, Are you a trickster?

 

 

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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

 

Dom/David, Are you a trickster?

 

 

Nah you gave the 'wiley bastard' moniker to someone else.

 

 

 

wiley

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The Coyote can chase the Roadrunner off a cliff, running in the air, no problem, until/unless he looks down.

In which case he plummets, as he is about to do in the still shot david produces. Because he looked down.

A profound allegory.


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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Nah you gave the 'wiley bastard' moniker to someone else.

 

😆 🤣 😍 🤗 

So genius.

If there was a prize and the prize was mine to award to the ONE, you SIR or MADAME or Both Sir/Madame, would have that prize!

 

Hey David/Dom, this post of yours was your 3069th post on this forum!

How about that ternary progression, eh?

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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Nah you gave the 'wiley bastard' moniker to someone else.

 

😆 🤣 😍 🤗 

So genius.

If there was a prize and the prize was mine to award to the ONE, you SIR or MADAME or Both Sir/Madame, would have that prize!

 

Hey David/Dom, this post of yours was your 3069th post on this forum!

How about that ternary progression, eh?

Screen Shot 2021 06 16 at 2.24.50 PM

 

WOW!! Hhaha amazing!

 

No one else here seems interested in your interpretation of the threefold Book  5/60= 0.12 etc.  Are you going to write a book about it all?

 

I'll address your last response to my post about the video-lecture when I get time by the way.

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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

No one else here seems interested in your interpretation of the threefold Book  5/60= 0.12 etc.  Are you going to write a book about it all?

This is an excellent notion, which I have adopted previously to great completion. That is, from time to time, I get on a roll about some subject (not QBL, puzzles, or abstract philosophy). I then copy that post (or a series), plop it in a book or an appendix, re-write it so even the dunces can understand it (if they have, say, at least a 23% interest in the subject), and behold!  After a month or six, a new book rolls out ... all based on some concept that arose in these very forums.

 


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I'll address your last response to my post about the video-lecture when I get time by the way.

Oh you wiley tricksters, who can ever tell what you will do next.

Also, I don't think you and I measure things the same way, so no comment about your comment 🙂

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Are you going to write a book about it all?

This is an excellent notion, which I have adopted previously to great completion. That is, from time to time, I get on a roll about some subject (not QBL, puzzles, or abstract philosophy). I then copy that post (or a series), plop it in a book or an appendix, re-write it so even the dunces can understand it (if they have, say, at least a 23% interest in the subject), and behold!  After a month or six, a new book rolls out ... all based on some concept that arose in these very forums.

I look forward to reading your book about this whole affair then 🙂

I have lots coming out about the ol 0, 1, and 2, but none of it includes Liber al Vel Legis and I have no plans to include it.

I think it is fun that its all here on a discussion forum instead, it seems appropriate. Behind locked glass, for proof to the world, hehe

Lashtal's actual name contains all three secret words of Liber al Vel Legis, with the third word, sht, discovered right here on Lashtal.

I dig that synchronicity, and it was a community affair and therefore perhaps the property of this forum too.

I already see that a few of the threads I instigated are showing up on first page google search returns.

I dig the organic distribution, lets see how it plays out over time, it isn't even fully completed yet, this discussion 🙂

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson


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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Are you going to write a book ...

This "whole affair" is a farce. I have written my last book. Booklets only is the present rule. I do not write about Crowley's puzzles, math, or things treated in these particular three or four threads. This is due to the fact/opinion/lie that I have written nothing worthy of a reprint. I cannot reprint the amazing discoveries of anyone else because "all postings are (c)LAShTAL.com." Individual posters may have (c)rights to their own posts. Consult your attorney or solicitor or mullah.

 


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@sangewanchuck56
“ I have lots coming out about the ol 0, 1, and 2, but none of it includes Liber al Vel Legis and I have no plans to include it.
I think it is fun that its all here on a discussion forum instead, it seems appropriate. “

Lets take a poll.
Does anyone here find sangewanchuck’s paraphrasing creatively designed to give a meaningful experience ?

I find it all twists about like his buddhism, with out saying anything, except to say he is paraphrasing something which, gets rendered in a boring fashion.
There are far more useful constructions to be made with a straightedge and compass.

i am open to the possibility that 1 or 2 here might be added to sangewanchuck captivating millions.


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The establishment trolls are back on the thread again, sheesh.

Posted by: @shiva

This "whole affair" is a farce.

Well, 1/3 farce, anyway.

Posted by: @tiger

Does anyone here find sangewanchuck’s paraphrasing creatively designed to give a meaningful experience ?

Tiger, why would you stalk and harass me almost daily on this forum if you didn't find that meaningful to you?

Posted by: @tiger

I find it all twists about like his buddhism, with out saying anything, except to say he is paraphrasing something which, gets rendered in a boring fashion.

Sheesh, have you read your poetry? 

Posted by: @tiger i am open to the possibility that 1 or 2 here might be added to sangewanchuck captivating millions.

me too!

Tiger, thanks for being one of my biggest fans here, your daily trolling with bland poetry with unreflected contradictions sprinkled with a bit o your shadow self has been a big help! 

 

 

 

 

 

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It appears we have 1 vote sangewanchuck is interested in the way sangewanchuck rambles.
i guess this is a better venue than thumpin the pulpit between burger king and dunking donuts to get some yokels attention.


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It appears we have 1 vote sangewanchuck is interested in the way sangewanchuck rambles.

Well, if you can count me in, I can certainly count you in too!

By the way, "voting" is outdated. 

How does the vote count determine if you're being honest? What if you are delusional? What if members are afraid to vote affirmative because they don't want to upset the group mind?

I prefer "data". 

The data shows that you, Tiger, are one of the more interested parties!

And you always keep the thread alive, make sure it is in the daily topic of conversation.

Such service and devotion, I appreciate you!

Perhaps you are the disciple that Sanguine Chuck loves most?

How about that, eh?

Posted by: @shiva

I cannot reprint the amazing discoveries of anyone else because "all postings are (c)LAShTAL.com."

Reprint what you want, I declare all Rites Reversed 🙂

(god I love that line)

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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

Reprint what you want, I declare all Rites Reversed 🙂

(god I love that line)

WARNING.  If anyone changes the rules, they are subject to violation procedures. The rules (the Holistic Guidelines) are the only tool(s) we have against chaos. Our presence in or on these threads that go nowhere is merely counterpoint to endless filibustering and blogging. 

 


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@shiva

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WARNING.  If anyone changes the rules, they are subject to violation procedures. The rules (the Holistic Guidelines) are the only tool(s) we have against chaos. Our presence in or on these threads that go nowhere is merely counterpoint to endless filibustering and blogging. 

If anyone checks my rule, they will see I only post when replied to.

If there are no replies, then I do not post.

The more Tiger and Shiva reply to my posts,

The more opportunity I get to reply to the thread 🙂

 

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson


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Posted by: @tiger

It appears we have 1 vote sangewanchuck is interested in the way sangewanchuck rambles.
i guess this is a better venue than thumpin the pulpit between burger king and dunking donuts to get some yokels attention   

If you read his replies to my questions you'll find that he's making concise cogent points....can the same be said of you?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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ah ok then
nice he is addressing concise cogent points for you

as for my blah i try to keep it to a minimum


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If you read his replies to my questions you'll find that he's making concise cogent points....can the same be said of you?

I ❤️ @david-dom-lemieux

 

Posted by: @tiger

as for my blah i try to keep it to a minimum

A step in the right direction 🙂

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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56
Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

If you read his replies to my questions you'll find that he's making concise cogent points....can the same be said of you?

I ❤️ @david-dom-lemieux

more

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Posted by: @shiva
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😆

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Oh, come on with the emoji....

Surely, there must be 50 Shades of Dom....

 


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Surely, there must be 50 Shades of Dom....

Or even...61.


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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

I am too sorry for this double post, this is an image of the original Hebrew, notice there are no spacemarks in between words or letters.

S-P-A-C-E-M-A-R-K-S

"If ye confound the space marks, saying THEY ARE ONE, or saying THEY ARE MANY..."

download

Is the first verse the only verse in Genesis or the Bible that omits normal word-spaces?'  If that is so then it's a curious omission.

If it isn't then Tennen's theories and the groundwork of your essays/posts on the matter here just collapse.   

 

By the way verse 1:48  'my prophet is a fool with his' 1 1 1.  Why are they 'the Ox'?  What, the animal? Maybe OX is a reference to some sort of puzzle, did you ever play Tic-tac-toe - Wikipedia  ?

Tic-tac-toe (American English), noughts and crosses (Commonwealth English and British English), or Xs and Os/“X’y O’sies” (Ireland), is a paper-and-pencil game for two players, X and O, who take turns marking the spaces in a 3×3 grid. The player who succeeds in placing three of their marks in a diagonal, horizontal, or vertical row is the winner. It is a solved game with a forced draw assuming best play from both players.

 

Games played on three-in-a-row boards can be traced back to ancient Egypt,[5] where such game boards have been found on roofing tiles dating from around 1300 BC.[6]    

Ancient Egypt...NUIT...so on.  I don't know if they used the 3 x 3  OXO system.

 

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56
  •  
  • Is dividing 50 into 6 the right step?
  • Check! Crowley does this twice in his writings
  • What is the answer?
  • 0.12

Do you have the exact references where AC does this twice in his writings?

 

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

 

The next few steps that Stan did are purely mathematical, he is only looking at the paralanguage mathematically, even though he does not call it paralanguage, because he wants to test to see if solely by viewing the naturally occurring maths that open up each thing he tries.

So putting the verse in base three, and the hebrew alphabet in base 3, he lines up all the letters that are the same numerically, and he does this by stringing them together, like a mala or rosary, and when he does that, they all line up into a "spiral".

This is the mathematical "lattice" he was describing, that sounds a lot like "pasting the sheets together" or lining up the letters into the three dimensional space that can be mathematically constructed from the dimensions of the spiral.

That gives the tube torus shape...

From which emerges, naturally, the "flame of all letters", producing all the letters of the Hebrew Alphabet

 

"Pasting the sheets"?   That's a bit of a leap from gluing sheets of paper together to applying mathematical paralanguage /assembly-language processes isn't it?  That smacks of the wackos who attribute terms in The Bible such as  Adam's rib or 'dust' with alien DNA-engineering. 

Anyway remember for all this talk of mathematical paralanguage and threefold machine code structures Tennen's  investigations rest on a parlour game of him making 'shadowgrams' on the wall of all Hebrew letters with a doughnut-derived metal curvy thing.  Furthermore he fails to produce a thorough demonstration of this.   That's curious. 

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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

By the way verse 1:48  'my prophet is a fool with his' 1 1 1.  Why are they 'the Ox'? 

The reference here is to the "eight, eighty, four hundred & eighteen" of a couple of verses prior (verse 46) where it is equated to Nothing. 8 + 80 + 418 = 506, which can be read as the Nothing (0) at the heart of Nu (56). ShVR - which enumerates as 506 - is a Hebrew word meaning 'an Ox'. Aleph spelt in full (ALP) enumerates as 111, and is the Path on the Tree of Life to which is attributed The Fool (Atu 0).


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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Why are they 'the Ox'?

AC explains this ... somewhere. It requires poking into 777 ("the book").

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Furthermore he fails to produce a thorough demonstration of this.

Right. We want to see the letters being generated.

 


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Posted by: @shiva
Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Furthermore he fails to produce a thorough demonstration of this.

Right. We want to see the letters being generated.

 

Bobby you could do it yourself.   Get a bendy piece of aluminium or the like, bend it into a curvy shape and sit there all night making 'shadowgrams' on your wall.....then slap yourself about your head for wasting your own time.  

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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Get a bendy piece of aluminium or the like

Oh Lord and the Eighty Eunuchs. I am presently involved (synchronistically, of course) with buying, transporting, cutting, and fitting various pieces of sheet metal (steel & aluminum mostly) for ducting and rain protection. Why, I'm right there/here on the edge, with all the things available (except the light source), so it's really hard to pass up this opportunity ... but I'l just slap myself now and get on with the work already in progress.


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Hola, 

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Is the first verse the only verse in Genesis or the Bible that omits normal word-spaces?'  If that is so then it's a curious omission.

If it isn't then Tennen's theories and the groundwork of your essays/posts on the matter here just collapse.   

  1. My understanding is all original scrolls of the hebrew pentateuch all have spaces omitted.
  2. huh?
  3. If it collapses, then I expect a very detailed explanation of how Tennen's "theory" collapses, because you just went from A to Z by skipping all the letters in between.

 

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

By the way verse 1:48  'my prophet is a fool with his' 1 1 1.  Why are they 'the Ox'?  What, the animal? Maybe OX is a reference to some sort of puzzle, did you ever play 

Ox can have many interpretations, and we can use any or just one of those interpretations.

OX can mean

  • The first letter of most alphabets, from English to Hebrew
  • The Fool card in the Tarot
  • The number 0
  • OX turning, a form of "plowing", that influenced early writing script where one line of text was written in reverse letters, a unique form of reading and writing
  • Some others?
Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Games played on three-in-a-row boards can be traced back to ancient Egypt,[5] where such game boards have been found on roofing tiles dating from around 1300 BC.[6]    

Ancient Egypt...NUIT...so on.  I don't know if they used the 3 x 3  OXO system.

 

Nice, I was not aware of this. Okay, applying that as an interpretation to the text, what do you arrive at?

it is never a good idea to confront one interpretation of the text VERSUS another, suggesting that ONE is the RIGHT one and the other the WRONG one.

ALL INTERPRETATIONS ARE TRUE, it is just that there are different kinds of truth.

How many kinds of truth are there?

THREE kinds of truth there be 🙂

 

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Do you have the exact references where AC does this twice in his writings?

 

Actually there may be three references in total, I can only find two right now.

http://www.nwbotanicals.org/oak/magick/nv.html

http://www.razorsmile.org/archive/TheQabalah-AleisterCrowley.pdf

Just type in "0.12" while searching those docs.

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

"Pasting the sheets"?   That's a bit of a leap from gluing sheets of paper together to applying mathematical paralanguage /assembly-language processes isn't it?  That smacks of the wackos who attribute terms in The Bible such as  Adam's rib or 'dust' with alien DNA-engineering. 

 

I am the one using the comparison between "pasting the sheets" together and what Stan is doing. I am suggesting, not declaring, that this is remarkably similar to "pasting sheets together"

So, what does "paste" mean?

Well, we have options.

 

paste

 

transitive verb

1: to cause to adhere by or as if by paste : STICK
2: to cover with something pasted on
3: to put (something copied or cut from a computer document) into another part of the document or into another document or program

paste

 

transitive verb

1:to strike hard at
2:to beat or defeat soundly
The full phrase "paste the sheets" comes from Chp3, not Chp1, which is the voice of nuit (rational, mathematical, straightforward, revealing) Her instruction is to "look" into the word. We look at words when we read.
 
Hadit, Chapter 2's voice, tells us to "listen" to the words (what do words "sound like" as opposed to what they are in text form, i.e. looking at them. We listen to words when we speak in conversation.
 
I peek into Hadit's voice on this thread here
 
 
Chp3 is the absorption of chp 1 and chp 2 voice. 
 
You're not ready for chp3 yet, let's focus on the easy stuff first 🙂
 
Posted by: @michael-staley

The reference here is to the "eight, eighty, four hundred & eighteen" of a couple of verses prior (verse 46) where it is equated to Nothing. 8 + 80 + 418 = 506, which can be read as the Nothing (0) at the heart of Nu (56). ShVR - which enumerates as 506 - is a Hebrew word meaning 'an Ox'. Aleph spelt in full (ALP) enumerates as 111, and is the Path on the Tree of Life to which is attributed The Fool (Atu 0).

Interesting how the paralanguage and the Gematria lead to the same place, eh?

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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Furthermore he fails to produce a thorough demonstration of this.

Right. We want to see the letters being generated.

Why are the both of you being lazy here???

Did you go to his site and see his videos? Did you attempt to even check?

https://www.youtube.com/c/MeruFoundation

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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Get a bendy piece of aluminium or the like, bend it into a curvy shape and sit there all night making 'shadowgrams' on your wall.....then slap yourself about your head for wasting your own time.  

Stan specifically addresses this exactly. He says "Hey, anyone can take a wire hanger and twist it into any shape and arrive at any letter. Its no big deal to find patterns if we look for them, patterns are everywhere. However, some patterns make sense, and offer incredibly mathematical and elegant meanings that are consistent." or something to that effect.

Dont get attached to your laziness and confuse it as an actual rebuttal.

It is not possible to critique a system if one cannot first understand what the system is communicating.

Unless you do that step, all you are doing is critiquing the Stan Tennen in your mind, your own concept of what he is doing, confusing it as the actual definitive concept of what he is doing, which only Stan can do.

Just like Tiger, he understands very little of what I write.

He does not ask questions or even attempt to understand what I am trying to communicate, he is attached to his own concept of what I am communicating, and thus, he is only critiquing himself.

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Oh Lord and the Eighty Eunuchs. I am presently involved (synchronistically, of course) with buying, transporting, cutting, and fitting various pieces of sheet metal (steel & aluminum mostly) for ducting and rain protection. Why, I'm right there/here on the edge, with all the things available (except the light source), so it's really hard to pass up this opportunity ... but I'l just slap myself now and get on with the work already in progress.

Imagine if you were just as diligent researching a topic that you're commenting on as you are installing air conditioning 🙂

 
 

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Forgive the double post, but I find it necessary to detail Stan's first step here since I know all of you are super lazy and likely wont take the time yourself.

  • The original Hebrew scrolls have no spaces in between letters and words
  • All of the text has 27 Hebrew letters, right to left.
  • Many assume Hebrew has 22 letters, which is true, but it has 27 symbols in the full alphabet
  • 27 symbols in the Hebrew alphabet, 27 Hebrew letters on EACH line the first page of Genesis
  • The first line of Genesis has 27 letters, and ENDS with the actual "27th" letter as well.
  • Where as the 27th letter in the alphabet is ALSO the 27th letter used in the first line of text
  • This was Stan's clue that the text is "self referential"
  • His second step was to see if counting in code, like a computer, the first line of genesis would produce any result.
  • This means that his first step was counting 27 letters in base 2, 0 and 1.
  • This means that his first attempt would like like this
  • 0010101111010100101111001101110001011001101011000101010110101111101010101110100010100001111111
  • Can you tell where one word begins and one word ends when counting in base 2?
  • No
  • But does base 2 counting produce anything interesting?
  • No
  • Is there any instructions WITHIN the text to count in base 2?
  • No.
  • So Stan then tries counting in base 3, which is 0 1 and 2
  • IS there metalanguage in the text to do this as an interpretation?
  • yes
  • Does counting the first verse produce anything meaningful?
  • YES
  • It would then make the text look like this
  • 02201102201002220100220102021002220001220212000212221111200212010212201221201
  • Can you tell where one word begins and one word ends in Base three?
  • No
  • But can you line up the words where the number count of the text lines up letters?
  • Yes, you can do this by putting the letters on a string, and by lining up the numbers, we find that letters also line up within a specifical mathematical "fold"
  • This "fold" makes a shape
  • What is this shape? A tube torus, a donut.
  • The mathematical shape of a Tube Torus is this
  • Screen Shot 2021 06 20 at 12.37.57 PM
  • Not the pyramid shape, but the wavey looking thing in the middle.
  • That wavey looking thing in the middle is also a shape of an object that Rabbi's have on their alter, I forget the name now.
  • Shining light into that shape is what produces the letters of the alphabet
  • https://youtu.be/7FuvA4GaKHo

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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

Chp1, which is the voice of nuit (rational, mathematical, straightforward,

Never got that before....how interesting...


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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

Chp1, which is the voice of nuit (rational, mathematical, straightforward,

Never got that before....how interesting...

It gets even more interesting when we look at each "character" in Liber al Vel Legis as a "literary" voice (independent of any gematria, cabbalah, etc) and just look at how they communicate in the book.

Interesting that the "voice" of Nuit is consistent with what we associate as "left hemisphere" of the brain, such features as logic, sequencing, mathematics, facts, thinking in words.

the literary voice of Hadit is consistent with what we associate as "right hemisphere" of the brain, imagination, intuition, arts, feelings, visions.

Both voices of Nuit and Hadit are "grappling" with the same subject, the self, which does not exist in a normal way, but in a paradoxical way.

Chp 1 and 2 become like a gymnasium for the brain/mind complex, and if we do the work correctly, RHK is the "whole brain", left and right, working elegantly together, all circuits firing.

 

 

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This is an interesting argument for two main reasons:

  1. i can see zero textual support for it in the content of any of the three chapters, and would be interested to hear why on earth you would say this; and
  2. You reverse the typical "left brain = male; right brain = female" ascription or else we would get "Nuit = right brain; Hadit = left brain"- any comment here?

The claim of Ch. III being expressive of "the "whole brain"[...] all circuits firing" definitely needs some explaining to me as well.


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This is an interesting argument for two main reasons:

  1.  

Only two? Perhaps the main reasons are also threefold 🙂

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i can see zero textual support for it in the content of any of the three chapters, and would be interested to hear why on earth you would say this; and

The support for this claim is not textual at first, it is literary. 

To obtain this view, try to look at the text (first as empty, meaning that the text has no "meaning" yet, bring the text to 0, unknown, and pretend you are not a practicing magician, thelemite, occultist, etc) as a literary work and read it like a play, with characters in it, that tells a story.

And then just ask literary questions like a literary scholar would ask if he/she were to review the text as a literary work.

  • Who are the main characters?
  • What is the story about?
  • What is each character communicating?

 

We can also deconstruct the text purely from this literary perspective.

Once you have obtained the literary review, then combine it with the paralanguage and gematria and weird stuff.

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You reverse the typical "left brain = male; right brain = female" ascription or else we would get "Nuit = right brain; Hadit = left brain"- any comment here?

The voice of "1", the "actual" truth, Nuit, is just her speech, not her "body" so to speak.

The voice of "2", the "symbolic" truth, is only the speech of Hadit.

Their literary voices are another pair of opposites that can be combined.

The written voice of the character does not need to correspond to a description of the character's properties in the book. A king may choose any garment as he will...

So your question is holding the correspondence on to identity of the characters, their sex identification, as central. So this is not a reference to sex organs, but solely their speech and nothing more.

Now your inclination to do that, to assign a quality of "intuition" to the female and the more analytical to the male is also specifically addressed by Nuit.

Nuit is the one to tell us to "reverse" how we assign the ordering of male and female.

"For he is ever a sun, and she a moon. But to him is the winged secret flame, and to her the stooping starlight."

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The claim of Ch. III being expressive of "the "whole brain"[...] all circuits firing" definitely needs some explaining to me as well.

Well for now, just look at my comment on Chp3 as a prediction, something that we can predict to find if, and only if, we see a naturally occurring polarity of literary voices in Chp1 and 2.

 

 

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Posted by: @ignant666

"the "whole brain"[...] all circuits firing" definitely needs some explaining to me as well.

LAShTAL is not a teaching site. Have you paid your tuition in advance? You may notice that the "description" under review  is linear. That is, 1 = Left, 2 = Right, 3 = All. Linear. Multidimensional explanations in a linear format cannot be sustained ... although pages and pages of explanation may be expressed, you will be disappointed, so just don't pay your tuition.

 


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You may notice that the "description" under review  is linear. That is, 1 = Left, 2 = Right, 3 = All. Linear.

Exactly, the "linear" view of anything is "easy", especially compared to the very very very challenging "non-linear" view.

Linear and Non-Linear, just like duality and non-duality, are more sets of opposites to be combined, and then the child can be predicted, before we even get to the final operation.

Nuit wants to make it easy for us, so therefore her voice is the linear view.

Who can't count 1, 1, 1? So simple, everyone can, including the majority of the world's population whom are non occultists or literary scholars.

Who cannot count 0, 1, 2?

Children do this all the time.

Technically speaking, the "literary" voice, the "symbolic" voice, the "intuitive" voice, is what Chp2 teaches us in comparison to the elegant "paralanguage" and "paralogic" that Nuit teaches us.

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LAShTAL is not a teaching site.

An interesting paradox itself, surely this is a place where strangers on the internet come to learn something.

The linear form of the "name" LAShTAL is AL LA ShT

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LAShTAL is not an "occult" site, nor a "teaching" site," nor a "Thelemic" site, by definition of the owner and operator. It is devoted to discussion of the life and times of Aleister Crowley.

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The linear form of the "name" LAShTAL is AL LA ShT

See? Now you're going over the edge again, redefining things that leads to nothing but confusion.


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LAShTAL is not an "occult" site, nor a "teaching" site," nor a "Thelemic" site, by definition of the owner and operator. It is devoted to discussion of the life and times of Aleister Crowley.

okay, sure by definition of the site you mean.

Well Shiva, someone should put you under arrest immediately, for I have learned from you, and how can I learn from you if you are not teaching me?

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See? Now you're going over the edge again, redefining things that leads to nothing but confusion.

Hmm, I am "going over" an "edge", again even? Sounds potentially dangerous. No wonder why you always appear to worry about me so. Very fatherly of you 🙂

I suspect if you change your metaphors your perception of me will also change accordingly.

Of course, didn't @david-dom-lemieux just post "WILE E Coyote" going off a cliff visually in this very thread?

I kinda feel more like Road Runner in this scenario 🙂

I do not mean to bring confusion, simply LAShTAL, as a name, independent of this website name, is in non-linear form per this conversation, because we can also line up the "secret key words" of Thelema per Chapter and per voice, and still come to the same formula you mentioned, a linear form of progression, some form or any form of (THIS...THAT...ABSORPTION of THIS AND THAT) where as AL (the TRUTH!) and LA (NOT TRUE!) resolve in Sht, their absorption. 

31, 31, and 31 be 93, you see 🙂

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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

 

the literary voice of Hadit is consistent with what we associate as "right hemisphere" of the brain, imagination, intuition, arts, feelings, visions.

Is it?  Yes in Chapter 2 we see that the subjugation of reason is encouraged (perhaps) but a capacity for reason and maths are demonstrated directly here particularly in lines 3 and 7;

 

3. In the sphere I am everywhere the centre, as she, the circumference, is nowhere found.

 

7. I am the Magician and the Exorcist. I am the axle of the wheel, and the cube in the circle. "Come unto me" is a foolish word: for it is I that go.

 

32. Also reason is a lie; for there is a factor infinite & unknown; & all their words are skew-wise.

 

75. Aye! listen to the numbers & the words:

 

@all

 

Did any of your Maths teachers or Computer Science teachers  (copy/paste function excluded) ever mention the verb 'to paste' in any of their lessons?   See below;

 

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

 

1: to cause to adhere by or as if by paste : STICK
2: to cover with something pasted on
3: to put (something copied or cut from a computer document) into another part of the document or into another document or program

paste

 

transitive verb

1:to strike hard at
2:to beat or defeat soundly
The full phrase "paste the sheets" comes from Chp3, not Chp1, which is the voice of nuit (rational, mathematical, straightforward, revealing) Her instruction is to "look" into the word. We look at words when we read.
 

 

 
 

 

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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

how can I learn from you if you are not teaching me?

You are now playing the anal philosopher card. It won't work. Please get on-topic and stop fighting the Guidelines and the Definitions (which I did not create).

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

No wonder why you always appear to worry about me so.

I wonder why all the threads you decide to post in turn soonly into personality disorders. Every thread sees the loose screw in your cranium come out and strange pronouncements are made. If anyone calls you on your looseness, the whole thread then degenerates into interpersonal chatter.

You may now list the perpetrators who have conspired against you, citing their atrocities and your innocence ... but go do it in Submissions or Stuff under the Community forum. Please return to the topic of the thread.

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

I suspect if you change your metaphors your perception of me will also change accordingly.

Unlikely. Please return to the topic of the thread.

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

going off a cliff

Yes. Please return to the topic of the thread.

 


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Is it? 

Yes, it is, but I answered this question on the Chp 2 thread 'Crowley's usage of Puzzles, Poems' etc so we keep the thread on topic, so the answer is here https://www.lashtal.com/forums/qabalah/crowleys-usages-of-mystery-ciphers-puzzles-poems-and-prose-liber-al-and-thelema/#post-117340

You know, keeping threads on topic is a hallmark of this forum and it's keen Chief Inspektor Shiva.

Okay Chief Inspektor, you have once again brought me up personally in the conversation, which technically is itself off topic.

Kindly present your evidence...

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You are now playing the anal philosopher card. 

Anal?

Usually an anal personality is a personality that is very controlling with order and subjects and their proper place and tend to exert a large amount of control, and this particular type of personality gets very upset if things get out of order.

Anyone you know fit this bill?

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Please get on-topic and stop fighting the Guidelines and the Definitions (which I did not create).

Well, so far we have established that this is the third time you introduce "moi" as the topic of conversation, which is of course off the topic of the conversation, while I am actually on the topic of the conversation, and have no idea what the hell you are talking about, other than your own projection (again).

I have not challenged any guidelines, and not sure what you mean by the "Definitions", but it appears you are challenged when language and meaning becomes playful, i.e. you easily misinterpret the same signal over and over.

From my view, it is you whom act the troll and the one who brings the conversation off topic.

Additionally, I am the starter of this topic, and therefore, I think I would know if I am off topic, or on topic.

Posted by: @shiva

I wonder why all the threads you decide to post in turn soonly into personality disorders.

Because you always project your personality on to them.

Case solved.

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Every thread sees the loose screw in your cranium come out and strange pronouncements are made.

I know "strange" is upsetting to you, every time the conversation goes to anything in the non-dual realm, of which 'strange' certainly fits, you start to project your dark side on to me.

Where as you could simply slow down, ask questions to see if what concept you have in your mind is a misunderstanding or not, what we refer to as rational conversation amongst equals.

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If anyone calls you on your looseness, the whole thread then degenerates into interpersonal chatter.

 

Translation: "I can make personal comments about you Sanguine Chuck, but you can't make any comments back to me in return, keep the conversation on topic you rascally rabbit."

To which I can only say, but I am obligated to...this is the dance you chose.

Posted by: @shiva

You may now list the perpetrators who have conspired against you,

I think these names hardly even need to be mentioned, it is quite obvious who they are, no?

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citing their atrocities and your innocence ... but go do it in Submissions or Stuff under the Community forum. Please return to the topic of the thread.

Translation: "I can make personal comments about you Sanguine Chuck, but you can't make any comments back to me in return, keep the conversation on topic you rascally rabbit."

 
 

I suspect if you change your metaphors your perception of me will also change accordingly.

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Unlikely. Please return to the topic of the thread.

Someone doesn't know how magick actually works.

Interesting.

Back on topic?

Nothing I said about the word LAShTAL is controversial or something that isn't already mentioned elsewhere on this forum, historically speaking.

You mentioned "defining" LAShTAL within a ternary linear form.

You do realize that "LAShTAL" is Crowley's word, right? Not yours or the forum's?

And that there are 3 syllables in that word? And that this is a thread about Crowley's usage of math? And we see the same formula in the word LAShTAL is on topic, if you actually understand the topic of the conversation. 

I suppose you didn't realize what I really meant, and jumped to conclusions, or off the cliff so to speak?

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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

Anal?

It's a psychological term. Common language calls it "nit-picking." Please return to the original yopic.

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

Additionally, I am the starter of this topic, and therefore, I think I would know if I am off topic, or on topic.

Your confession is accepted. I rest my case.

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

I know "strange" is upsetting to you, every time the conversation goes to anything in the non-dual realm

Oh, give us all a break. You are obsessed with this non-dual stuff. Please return to the original topic.

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Translation: "I can make personal comments about you Sanguine Chuck, but you can't make any comments back to me in return, keep the conversation on topic you rascally rabbit."

Comments are comments. They are made and responded to. Please feel free to make such comments as you dare, but don't dare to post a post that is off-topic in it's entirety.

For example: Maths and Formulas in Crowley's Usage. 50+6=56. 0=2.

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

Translation:"I can make personal comments about you

Mistranslation. This is not about comments. It's about your defense, which will be off-topic. Please return to the original topic.

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

You do realize that "LAShTAL" is Crowley's word, right? Not yours or the forum's?

Um, he put it in a book a long time ago. My reference is to LAShTAL.com. This is another example of anal arguing. Please return to the topic.

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this is a thread about Crowley's usage of math?

Oh, good. Now maybe you can explain that silly "linear" interpretation. We all (ALL) know about 3x31. So what? Do you realize that absolutely nothing you have posted in the past few weeks has been anything new? Or practical? Or even abstractly interesting? 

There's very few folks posting in these threads. I get emails from others who have simply gone away. Gone away from being interested in LAShTAL.com(TM), because of you. So that just leaves me to combat the chaos for a while, then I get tired and somebody else will hold your hand for a while.

Nobody is picking on you. You simply don't know how to enter into a multilogue without "going over the edge" by making some illogical or unsupported statement that is way out there. Don't give me this non-dual crap, it is observed in silence (all "non-dual" conversations lead to paradox or confusion. Don't give me the "projection" mirror nonsense. The bottom line is that you are not capable of posting in this arena without causing chaos.

If you've come here to disrupt things, hardly anyone will respect you. If you have something new, or practical, or abstractly interesting (to us), please proceed.

 


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This is not about comments. It's about your defense, which will be off-topic. Please return to the original topic.

Shiva, if you want to ban me, or just try to get me blocked or the thread shut down again, just do it.

But there is nothing you can do to prevent us, you, me, or anyone else, from being equal.

And all things being equal is "math", so on topic.

Please, just don't respond to my threads. Simple.

Problem goes away for all of us.

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Well, I'm trying to keep up with this dialogue from my position in “Lurk Mode.” I am a bit baffled by the whole Chapter One/Nuit=Left Brain Thinking bit.

 

Left Brain, Right Brain, Fusion Brain (Hypermind) is a theme of interest, sure. Wasn't this a focus of Nietzsche? Of Hegel? Blake certainly addressed in his Marriage of Heaven & Hell.

 

It is very interesting, as a topic. It's a threefold formula which we might overlay onto the threebook Book. But Nuit doesn't seem to fit the bill as the Left Brain of Modern Man. Chapter One is VERY Mystical, very “Non-Dualistic,” if you please.

 

Really. “Come forth, o children, under the stars, & take your fill of love! I am above you and in you. My ecstasy is in yours. My joy is to see your joy.” Yes, I am reading this is as literature. It is poetic, orgiastic. It is everything we associate with the “Right Brain.”

 

1:4 is a declaration which gives the Left Brain a seizure.

 

Poetic, erotic, dissolving all into a singular cosmic ecstasy (1: 45). I can't cite too much here. Pleasure, sense, revelry. Lust and flesh are made one with the cosmos, with the Infinite.

 

A left-brained personality would either reject this chapter as a poetic rambling and incoherent delirium -or attempt to turn it into a puzzle to be solved. But Nuit is clear that this is not the case. So no, Hadit's damning of the Dogs is not looking back at Nuit's Chapter. After all, Hadit, “himself,” is the coming forth of NUIT in the action-field, the impossible possibility, the Point within the Circle.

 

To my perspective, the book DOES point toward a sequence, an order and relationship between its sundry parts which is non-linear and mandala-like. But the left brain/right brain/hypermind integration thing is dealt with and dismissed from the get-go. And then we get moved on further.

 


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But there is nothing you can do to prevent us, you, me, or anyone else, from being equal.

Then why are you presenting yourself as an accomplished philosophical expert, while casting derogatory verbage upon our ability to understand. I say "our" because you have poked sticks of condescension at several folks. This is why many have just walked away from the threads. "What a waste of time," one folk said.

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

Please, just don't respond to my threads. Simple.

Problem goes away for all of us.

Uh-oh, her comes the plea. Okay. i tried that, but you committed some infraction of rule, logic, or sanity, and it's my job to sound the alarm when something goes over the edge. Other people have their own idea of rulers, logistics, and their own personal form of sanity, and they will sound their own alarms, maybe.

Note the phrase, "my threads."

I will now go on to the holier place. Anyone else want to take a turn in the barrel? I'm off the five of speech and returning to the five of ...

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I'm off the five of speech and returning to the five of ...

[Silence]

Well while this thread has gone off the cliff....I will note a there is a separate Abyss thread, and Shiva has said something to ponder, in relationship to the title of this thread, that sums it all up!

I am sure Crowley would concur!....In.......

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@sangewanchuck56

@shiva

I'm trying to follow the sensible parts of this thread can you two just ignore each other here?  Vast chunks of the thread are becoming a silly bickering match.

@sangewanchuck56

I always thought that the BOL was 'threefold' because it has........3 chapters.   Simple. 

I mean your Tennen-inspired maths theories and the bendy aluminium shadowgram game seems  to stimulate you as does applying them to the BOL.  It's art it isn't really science.  I mean go for it,in fact have you tried to make such shadowgrams?

 

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Watching a clown juggle and walk a tight rope and magician that can redefine what @lashtal is for @lashtal and refer, that it is about his act; may be a bit more interesting than bringing hamsters to run in a wheel; but i think you have a good sense and taste for wisdom and light so i see where you’re coming from. Others see different though.


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But Nuit doesn't seem to fit the bill as the Left Brain of Modern Man. Chapter One is VERY Mystical, very “Non-Dualistic,” if you please.

Thank you for your challenge here, because it helped me clean up my language.

So let me retract the word "voices" of Had and Nu and replace with "teaching devices" of had and nu used in Chp 1 and Chp 2

All devices used by Nuit to teach us non-duality are all "left brain" symbols that the left brain can understand while the right brain drools all over Nuit.

Chp 1 IS very mystical and non-dual, yes agree. Chapter One, for me personally, is my favorite verse of all verses in the world, Tao Te Jing and William Shakespeare included.

Of course, the entire book is all beautiful gorgeous prose and poetry, I do not mean to suggest that prose is Hadit only and Nuit is the stuffy one whose shorts are too tight.

I certainly do not mean that "left brain, right brain" chp 1 and 2, is derived from Liber al Vel Legis, it is something that I note, an observation of interest.

Viewing the book as a "play" as in theater, that one would assume actors could portray on stage, what we see in Act One of this play is the communication of revelations whose key tenants are all rational the way a mathematician would use the term.

By this I mean these are all things that can be "rationally" understood, and I am using the word "rational" specifically, not "reason" (I view rationality and reason to be to distinct mental phenomenon with some shared traits).

  • Every man and every woman is a star.
  • Every number is infinite; there is no difference.
  • The Khabs is in the Khu, not the Khu in the Khabs.
  • I am above you and in you. My ecstasy is in yours. My joy is to see your joy.

These are all beautiful mystical visions and views that are easy to understand and therefore appreciate intuitively and artistically, they "resolve".

Nuit uses the natural universe, something that can be mutually observed and measured by Science, to teach us this.

An infinite number line, although a "paradox", is a resolved one.

Mathematicians work with infinities, non-dualities, tangled hierarchies all the time.

This is important, I think there is a lot of misunderstanding in this exact moment here on this forum over this very concept.

ALL paradoxes DO resolve in ternary logic.

ALL OF THEM.

All paradoxes also resolve above the abyss.

Note the duality of "resolved and unresolved".

If one is facing an unresolved paradox, sure, they can be silent, or they can also choose to resolve the paradox, and then be silent.

Only the conscious mind can resolve a paradox.

Paradoxes are impossible to resolve in a duality.

And by duality here I also mean mathematical duality, which is binary logic, 0 or 1,  or "black and white" thinking in common parlance.

Now compare to Hadit; "I am everywhere the center, while she is the circumference nowhere to be found" is an impossible object. 

Hadit describes things that are literally "impossible" to the rational linear mind, not Nuit.

Nuit describes things that are transcendental to the rational mind, and that the rational mind can be still with, paused, with nothing more complex to understand than the number 0.

Nuit takes the left brain rational mind to the transcendent, and Hadit trains this mind to be still in the face of the unknown, training us to allow mystery to be mystery.

Both chapters are both hemispheres working together, however their "voices" are distinguishable.

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

But the left brain/right brain/hypermind integration thing is dealt with and dismissed from the get-go.

Why would that ever be dismissed in any get go?

Left brain/right brain is a pretty fundamental dynamic to all human beings, we need BOTH working together, integrated.

Also, by "all circuits firing" was a reference to Leary 8 Circuits, and I would say liber al vel legis gives us tools for all 8 of Leary's circuits.

If I can assign Yang to left brain and Yin to right brain, why can't I do that with the numbers 1 and 2, the voices of Nu and Had?

the paralogic of Liber al, 0, 1, and 2, teach us "relationships" between opposites in duality and non-duality, resolution of them.

0, 1, and 2 and how we use them on a number line describes the "relationships" between all paradoxes and opposites the same way Tao, Yin, Yang does in Taoism, not the content of all paradoxes.

Does that distinction make sense? it is an important one.

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

I always thought that the BOL was 'threefold' because it has........3 chapters.   Simple. 

Okay, you can roll with that.

But Crowley tells us that the book explains the universe, and then the book itself tells us there are hidden puzzles and hidden meaning all over the text, so do you think we should begin with the underlying organizing principle of the book itself, which is ternary?

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

It's art it isn't really science. 

Oh absolutely, we are talking interpretations of text. And I am sorry if I ever led anyone to believe that this discussion is scientific, its not.

however it is Art we are applying as method, and that method is empirical, and it is mathematical and rational and can therefore be peer reviewed.

Like Art History, for example, in university.

Art and Science is another duality in Liber AL vel Legis to unite.

An early mentor of mine once told me that Leary was the science to Crowley's Art, and Crowley was the Art to Leary's science.

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

I mean go for it,in fact have you tried to make such shadowgrams?

I get excited about Stan because I understand Stan, I see what he is doing and trying to do, I speak his language.

That's it.

Stan Tennen's theory is not connected with Liber al Vel Legis, other than I note that Stan is reading paralanguage, calling it "self referential text", and I am doing the same thing with Liber al (with a far far less complex book), independent of Stan, and we both discover 0, 1, and 2 as the organizing principle of the text.

0, 1, and 2 is the focus.

It is the focus of Liber Al Vel Legis and the Prophet himself.

Posted by: @shiva

Then why are you presenting yourself as an accomplished philosophical expert, while casting derogatory verbage upon our ability to understand.

This is 100% the opposite of my intention in my communication.

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson


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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

This is 100% the opposite of my intention in my communication.

Then your communication is failing badly to live up to its intentions.

You started off here as an interesting new poster. Now you are the worst case in quite a while of a totalistic "I am right and you are all wrong, only I understand this, you are all idiots" interpretation of AC/AL.

You post long rambling, preaching posts of utter gobbledygook. You attack, or ignore, any critiques offered. You do not listen to anything anyone else has to say, because you KNOW. You are totally unpersuasive and unconvincing, but seem to imagine you are some kind of Teacher.

You might do better selling your schtick over at reddit thelema, where there are many idiots and newbs who are much more likely to be impressed with your product than the collection of curmudgeons and old codgers that hang out here.


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Posted by: @ignant666

You started off here as an interesting new poster. Now you are the worst case in quite a while of a totalistic "I am right and you are all wrong, only I understand this, you are all idiots" interpretation of AC/AL.

 

Or maybe that is the image in your mind?

This is falsifiable.

Copy and paste my words that suggest what you say they do.

I guarantee you, you can only find them in your mind.

I think one of the more obvious overflowing aspects of my communication with this community and members is one of continuous praise and gratitude.

Now, I can go and copy and paste my text to prove what I just said.

This experience you are having with my text, and that Shiva is having, to varying degree, is a real phenomenon, however. 

I do not mean to dismiss it by any means. 

However, the "cause" of this phenomenon is not what you or Shiva or anyone else thinks it is.

The "cause" of this phenomenon is something psychological, and something I believe is addressed in Chp 2.

The "cause" of this phenomenon is the underlying naturally occurring and ubiquitous "conflict of concepts".

I actually wrote an algorithm that predicts exactly when this happens in all human conversation and discourse.

0, 1, and 2 as a ternary form is a resolution map to the naturally occurring "conflict of concepts".

 

 

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson


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