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16/05/2020 12:19 pm  

In short Rare Earth hypothesis means no aliens exist anywhere it's just us here.  

 

In Liber AL the Queen of that which contains not just this solar system or this galaxy even but of all galaxies i..e Infinite Space saith;

 

1:53. This shall regenerate the world, the little world my sister, my heart & my tongue, unto whom I send this kiss. 

If an organism has ' a (my) heart and tongue' that's usually the only heart and tongue it has.   

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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16/05/2020 4:56 pm  
Posted by: @dom

If an organism has ' a (my) heart and tongue' that's usually the only heart and tongue it has. 

Unless you are a squid. Etc.

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In short Rare Earth hypothesis means no aliens exist anywhere it's just us here.  

A "hypothesis."

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1:53. This shall regenerate the world, the little world my sister, my heart & my tongue, unto whom I send this kiss. 

The speaker in this verse uses metaphor (not dissimilar from speaking of the "eye" or "arm" of God).

I am confused as to how you are making the leap between your cited "textual proof" and the hypothesis put forth. Is it because mention is made of "the world" and you think this alludes to the physical planet (and for lack of the verse indicating other planets, there is the assumption that this planet is only one with intelligent life)?    

 

 


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16/05/2020 5:37 pm  

I think david might have tried reefers- he's getting cosmic again.


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I am confused as to how you are making the leap between your cited "textual proof" and the hypothesis put forth. Is it because mention is made of "the world" and you think this alludes to the physical planet (and for lack of the verse indicating other planets, there is the assumption that this planet is only one with intelligent life)?    

 

 

I see, you're ascribing "the world" cited to 'the universe' or space itself.   

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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I see, you're ascribing "the world" cited to 'the universe' or space itself.

I have ascribed nothing. I have asked how YOU are making a connection between this verse and the theory you have introduced. It is clear in the verse that the "sister" is in relationship to Nuit and is to be understood as something different from her. Hence, I would not call "the world" the "universe." In context of this verse, we may speculate as to the existence of a brother, other sisters, cousins and so on. What I am asking is how you make the leap from Nuit addressing her "sister" to there being no intelligent life in the universe beyond what passes for that on this planet.


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16/05/2020 7:06 pm  
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I see, you're ascribing "the world" cited to 'the universe' or space itself.

I have ascribed nothing. I have asked how YOU are making a connection between this verse and the theory you have introduced. It is clear in the verse that the "sister" is in relationship to Nuit and is to be understood as something different from her. Hence, I would not call "the world" the "universe." In context of this verse, we may speculate as to the existence of a brother, other sisters, cousins and so on. What I am asking is how you make the leap from Nuit addressing her "sister" to there being no intelligent life in the universe beyond what passes for that on this planet.

i actually said 'my heart and tongue'.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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16/05/2020 7:12 pm  

Can you remind me again why we read "world" as "planet Earth" in this metaphysical/occult/spiritual/whatevs text?

Have you been smoking "jazz cigarettes", david?

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16/05/2020 7:27 pm  
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Can you remind me again why we read "world" as "planet Earth" in this metaphysical/occult/spiritual/whatevs text?

Have you been smoking "jazz cigarettes", david?

Puzzled In NY

1:53. This shall regenerate the world,the little world my sister, my heart & my tongue, unto whom I send this kiss. 

Fair enough I guess a universe can be regenerated, I was reading it as the specific regeneration of this degenerate damaged planet i.e. damaged by the Old Aeon.    If 'world' in the text is 'Universe' then I guess the entire Universe was degenerate.    

 

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16/05/2020 7:55 pm  

Is the supposition here that Nuit would have any business helping aliens, if they were to exist? What makes Mr. Spock worthy of her affection?

This reminds me of a children's video I once saw, which I took great pains to find for you all's enjoyment but failed, in which some (surely protestant) 'theologian' assured all the little Christian children watching that Jesus appeared on every other planet in the universe and got crucified for their sins, too. 


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Jesus appeared on every other planet in the universe and got crucified for their sins, too. 

So you're saying their position is that their Demiurge is just not all that good at his job, and the whole sin/redemption thing happens every time?

Usually when you do stuff a few times, you get better at it, at least if you give a shit about your work. The first few omelettes i made as a teenage cook trainee weren't all that great, but since the fourth or fifth one, they've all been perfect.

So their message to the kids is "Worship this entity that is sloppy/lazy/a slow learner, and also vindictive and malevolent"? Where do i sign up?

Sentient aliens would be part of the "body of Nuit", wouldn't they? As to "worthy of her affection", we, and those posited sentient Grey bulgy-eyed "theys" are "divided for the chance of union". Consciousness/sentience is what the "body of Nuit" is.

That's the illusion she wants to kiss away. Samadhi's "just a kiss away", ya know?


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divided for the chance of union

I will admit that this is a principle which can be applied at every level besides the obvious exception, but I would reckon when we depart the division of 'you versus me' down here and get to the 'one within many' up there, we have no practical reason to think in terms of our own existence as personae, much less that of extraterrestrials.

Maybe the majestic (12) plural wasn't the best choice for making that point, but at the end of the day, we've been reduced to talking about aliens in theology ourselves, haven't we?

Adam Ha-Rishon would have been a funny looking guy.

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the whole sin/redemption thing happens every time?

Saint Xenophon

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16/05/2020 9:00 pm  
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Can you remind me again why we read "world" as "planet Earth" in this metaphysical/occult/spiritual/whatevs text?

Have you been smoking "jazz cigarettes", david?

Puzzled In NY

No.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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16/05/2020 9:17 pm  

HADIT, mate of NUIT, burns within every star.

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16/05/2020 9:34 pm  
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the division of 'you versus me' down here

Is not i think the only thing that might be meant by "divided for the chance of union". Rather, AL may also refer to the cognitive illusion called "consciousness/sentience" by some jokesters. Nuit's kisses are that which makes that cease. Aka "Shiva's eye opening" (the other Shiva, i mean).

"Mind is a disease of semen", after all (TBOL 8, "Steeped Horsehair"). Big-eye Greys might not have no Holy Jizz like us men-humans, but they gotta get new little big-eye Greys somewhere; analogize, son.


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16/05/2020 11:19 pm  
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I am confused as to how you are making the leap between your cited "textual proof" and the hypothesis put forth.

You are not alone. However, there is no need for confusion, if only we can clear up what really took place in the initial post. I shall expund it, and then you can explain it to those who do not believe ...

Reasoning from the known to the Unknown

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Can you remind me again why we read "world" as "planet Earth" in this metaphysical/occult/spiritual/whatevs text?

Have you been smoking "jazz cigarettes", david?

No.

No you cannot remind him, or No jazz?*

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"Shiva's eye opening" (the other Shiva, i mean).

The "other Shiva is an Australian who outranks me, being a Supreme and Holy King of the X*. He is actually a very nice guy and has been known to be critical of other, highly-placed dimwits.

We also know that there are three Shivas: The Householder, the Ascetic, and Nataraja. It's this last one that relates to The Eye of Shiva, what with the Tandava dancing and the Sign of the Open Eye, both being symbols or metaphors or aphorisms for entry into Nirvana.

The funny thing is, I don't relate to any of these things. Neither in a hard-core bhakti-driven way, nor in my interior arrangement. I do not identify with the Hindu pantheon, and not even with those Tibetan deities which which I demonstrate some interest. My instruction in inner visions was always Egyptian, and that passed away at a certain point.

The opening of the Eye of Shiva, which is also the Eye in the Triangle, the Eye of Horus, the All-seing Eye of Masonry and Gypsy Fortune-tellers, are all the same thing, and it's known in straight-talk as Obliteration of the Sense of Separated Self. If you can manage to catch a kiss from Nuit, that's the same thing too.

Aliens do not fit into this final dissolution, although on the way there, there is a plane, or a dimension, where these things can be encountered. There is also a cartoon plane, an alchemical plane, a battlefield plain, and any other kind of window dressing one can think of.

 


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17/05/2020 3:04 am  

I am always amazed by the underlying assumption that Aliens must have traveled from a distant star system to reach Earth. That these prater-humans are some form interstellar creatures bent on influencing the inhabitants of this native planet. Once again we place ourselves at the pinnacle of the evolutionary pyramid, as if this planet had not been capable of spawning an equal if not superior life form millions of years ago - maybe even in multiple versions. The fact that the second smartest living creature on this planet today is not even a mammal, should give us pause for reflection. Something to think about, it is perhaps us Homo Sapiens who are the aliens to an earlier native species. 

As for Aliens from a different star system, it is possible they exist somewhere in the galaxy, but improbable they would ever make it here, let alone that their civilizational timelines would coincide. The distances alone, and the time involved in travel, and never mind the physical limit of light speed, make the journey wholly impractical. 


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17/05/2020 3:18 am  

@djedi I like the icon of St Mark with the alien head attached. He was after all the author of the New Testament. A certain synchronistic occurrence to think about, both the New Testament and Liber Al were penned only a few blocks apart in the very same neighborhood, with a nineteen hundred year interval between them.

 


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17/05/2020 7:02 am  
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the underlying assumption that Aliens must have traveled from a distant star system

All "evidence" suggest they come from another dimension. It is possible, perhaps probable, that this dimension is a hidden/occult/unconscious neural network tucked away in our brains. Well, some people's brains.

Having never met an alien, except for a few LAShTALians who have dropped by, I may be missing this circuit.

 


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17/05/2020 11:23 am  
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I am always amazed by the underlying assumption that Aliens must have traveled from a distant star system to reach Earth. That these prater-humans are some form interstellar creatures bent on influencing the inhabitants of this native planet. Once again we place ourselves at the pinnacle of the evolutionary pyramid, as if this planet had not been capable of spawning an equal if not superior life form millions of years ago - maybe even in multiple versions.

You do realize that evolution is a slow process?  For example the first cells somehow appeared here 2 billion years ago  ( that's 10 million centuries ago to give some perspective).  

For well over one and a half billion years after that no creature that had ever lived here had lungs to speak of.  Everything that lived was only ever doing so in an oceanic habitat.   It then took 145 million years before the first terrestrial mammalian type of ancestor would appear.  I'm curious how some advanced alien creature somehow defied all the laws of bio-evolution and raced ahead of everything else on it's own completely unrelated to everything else .   

 

If you're right they must've a) had the power of invisibility because they would've had to exist when we (as homo sapiens sapiens) were around and b) they must've left no fossils which admittedly is one mean feat seeing as we can even locate fossils from creatures that existed  3.77 billion years ago.

Just where, when and how do your advanced mammalian aliens fit into this planet's evolutionary timeline?

The fact that the second smartest living creature on this planet today is not even a mammal, should give us pause for reflection.

Did you know that whales and hippos have the same land-lubbing ancestor?   It's a mind blowing fact i know.    Well, likewise  about 95 million years ago Mesonix, the ancestor of today's dolphin, appeared on Earth. It was a terrestrial animal also so in that respect you make a moot point about clever dolphins have no link to mammals.  Besides dolphins don't write novels or use chain-saws. 

Something to think about, it is perhaps us Homo Sapiens who are the aliens to an earlier native species. 

 I don't understand the logic in that statement. 

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17/05/2020 3:16 pm  

Bag your face. Put the whip in your mouth and bring it to me. Let me purge you of the demons that aggregate and conjure a linear sequence to the simultaneous spaces occupied by the nows and the jazz prompt between the worlds. Pass through the Redshift of Multimodal signal variation of Fundamental Constants among us unseen. Touch it with an asequential perception anywhere anywhen. The Vimana transcends the shifts of space of pasts presents futures heres and nows. Cloaked in phantasmagoric fleeting glimpses conjuring the obscure as an invisibility spell upon the wordling engrossed in the terrain of its activities.


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17/05/2020 6:31 pm  

Come up upon the mountains !


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17/05/2020 7:19 pm  
Posted by: @dom

For example the first cells somehow appeared here 2 billion years ago

How do you know this "fact" is true?

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Just where, when and how do your advanced mammalian aliens fit into this planet's evolutionary timeline?

Earth, like us mammaloids, has more than one dimension. More than three Ds. Add the fourth D (astral plane or time, your choice. The fifth D and higher get complicated for our little minds, but it's up in those higher numbers (in terms of circuits) that "close encounters" are reported.

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Faustian: Something to think about, it is perhaps us Homo Sapiens who are the aliens to an earlier native species. 

 I don't understand the logic in that statement. 

What he said is one of those "get outside the box" proposals, similar to Ached up-ending the Tree. He suggests an alternative rendering of your initial proposal. Unfortunately, your initial proposal was based on illogical logic, so how can his alternative make sense to you and any other flatlanders?

Perhaps F.'. will expound and inflate his alternative "perhaps" thoughtform.

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Let me purge you of the demons that aggregate and conjure a linear sequence to the simultaneous spaces occupied by the nows and the jazz prompt between the worlds.

How much do you charge for an exorcism?
(full scale, full dress,
with guarantee of success)

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Vimana transcends the shifts of space of pasts presents futures heres and nows. Cloaked in phantasmagoric fleeting glimpses conjuring the obscure as an invisibility spell upon the wordling engrossed in the terrain of its activities.

Please allow me to affect a Translation, so that others won't think you need more meditation medication ...

Vimana transcends any and all concepts of Time.
Busy people have no time for interfacing with other dimensions,
because they are too busy catching up with Time.

A Vimana, such an interesting concept ...

The Sanskrit word vi-māna (विमान) literally means "measuring out, traversing" or "having been measured out". Monier Monier-Williams defines Vimana as "a car or a chariot of the gods, any self-moving aerial car sometimes serving as a seat or throne, sometimes self-moving and carrying its occupant through the air; other descriptions make the Vimana more like a house or palace, and one kind is said to be seven stories high" -Wikipedia

Perhaps this is similar to "The Palace with Four Gates" mentioned in AL? I think so. F.'. suggests it might be on the physical plane, which of course it must be, if it is to be known. Did you know that, at a certain level or plane, Every Man and Every Woman is a Starship?

The top level experts in this area refer to this phenomena as an INTERDIMENSIONAL/ET/UFO. They constantly insert or use the term "interdimensional" next to any UFO word.

I use the phase "Top Level Experts" as such because they hold some aspect of physical plane sanity, yet they are dealing with something so intangible that they are proclaimed mad or "nut-jobs." "Whack nut-jobs" is my favorite curse.

Said experts include Generals who have entered other dimensions through these "interdimensionals."

I have some limited experience with this phenomena, starting way back in 1969, which I documented in Inside Solar Lodge, and more recently in The Master Codex, Esoteric A & P, and Insude Inside the Law. I think I will extract all of those encounters from all of those books and put them together in one book for, you know, those who might be interested in this sort of controlled schizophrenia without medication. My Life as a Car Vimana may have to go on hold.

But, no, it is not me I have in mind. I was thinking of Alfred Webre ...

"The Levesque Cases, a real life legal thriller, exposes the clandestine corruption of courts in the United States and Canada as attorney Alfred Lambremont Webre pursues legal vindication in a series of 26 cases against TIME-WARNER INC, David Rockefeller, then US President George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, the Rothschilds, the secret Sanhedrin Anunnaki government, and the Government of Ontario and its Children’s Aid Society, against whom Alfred would win a $750 million default judgment, one of the larger in recent Canadian legal history.

Alfred’s client in The Levesque Cases was Pierre Richard Levesque [insert: known to us as Mr. White], a former Canadian Custom’s Officer, who in 1973 was abducted up into Interdimensional UFO Spacecraft in a mass abduction with about 150 other members of IAM, the Institute of Applied Metaphysics, a spiritual group based in rural Ontario that the media would mis-characterize as an “Ontario wilderness cult” led by Levesque.

When Alfred began prosecuting the Levesque cases in US Federal District Court, Orlando, Florida in 1987, he also was an Interdimensional UFO contactee. In 1973 Alfred himself was abducted by an Interdimensional intelligent civilization as part of a series of inter-related series of extraterrestrial abductions in 1969 of Jimmy Carter and in 1975 of former U.S. Chrononaut Time Traveler Andrew D. Basiago.

The functional purpose of Alfred’s 1973 UFO/ET abduction was to help coordinate aboard the UFO “craft” or dimensions, the 1976 election of Jimmy Carter as President of the United States and the establishment of the 1977 Carter White House Extraterrestrial Communication Study of which Alfred became Director. Andrew D. Basiago was intentionally abducted as an eyewitness to Alfred’s UFO abduction, he has stated."

https://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/

Okay critics, dissenters, and rationalists, get out your pea-shooters (pee-shooters?). As it says on the sign at the Shotokan Dojo in Tokyo: "All Challenges Accepted."


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17/05/2020 11:29 pm  
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Okay critics, dissenters, and rationalists, get out your pea-shooters (pee-shooters?).

The Webre fellow has never in his life been mentioned in any newspaper or magazine searchable by google, except for a passing mention by the BBC as a UFO nut in connection with his participation in the bogus "Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission", and in the wikipedia article about it.

Practically the only trace that he has ever lived is his own websites, and books, and bios associated with his book, and  a few mentions on other UFO cultist websites. This is surprising, given he claims a distinguished career that should have led to frequent mentions in the NY press, and internationally.

Webre is not admitted to the NY, Florida, or Texas bar (and never has been admitted to the practice of law in Texas or Florida, which provide extensive historical info). I will see if it is possible to determine if he actually was an associate at the ultra-prestigious NYC law firm Cleary Gottlieb, or graduated from Yale Law. Yale Law School does not offer degree specializations, so it can't be true that his education includes the claimed "Yale Law School (International Law-1967)".  He was not a Fulbright Scholar in 1968.

On the now-deleted wikipedia page about him, it is claimed he "was raised in Cuba". How he attended Georgetown Preparatory School in DC if this is so is unclear. Like any other high school, there aren't "majors" at Georgetown Preparatory School, so he can't have gotten a high school degree "in classics". Georgetown is of course the high school alma mater of US Supreme Court Justice, and purported rapist, Brett Kavanaugh (who is much younger and graduated in '83).

He says he was "Elected Delegate, Texas Democratic Presidential Convention, Dallas, Texas (1996)." The 1996 Democratic Presidential Convention was in Chicago. The only Google hits for "'Texas Democratic Presidential Convention' 1996" are Webre's pages.

He never was an Assistant US Attorney in the Middle District of Florida, since he was never admitted to the Florida bar, and so it can't be true that he "began prosecuting the Levesque cases in US Federal District Court, Orlando, Florida in 1987". This is also a less-than-obvious place to begin any litigation involving matters in Canada, and it's hard to see how the Middle District of Florida would even have jurisdiction in a matter involving matters in Ontario.

I would very much like to read some record of this case, which somehow mutated from a Florida criminal case into an Ontario civil case with a $750 million judgement, that has never been mentioned in the Canadian press. I can't find anything that appears to be this case in searching US Federal court case listings, or Canadian case listings (admittedly i am not a skilled user of the latter). If this case really had existed, there would have to be a record in these places; maybe i am using the wrong search terms.

The only places searchable by Google we find the phrase "'Ontario wilderness cult' led by Levesque", or “Ontario wilderness cult” are.... yep, Webre's books. How is it possible that "the media" referred to IAM as an “Ontario wilderness cult” without google ever finding out?

So some things he claims about himself are definitely false, most claims by him are very dubious, and there is no evidence whatever that anything he claims about himself is true.

It is also interesting to note that he says all recent US Presidents are "future-verified Time Travelers", although it is also the case that he says Donald Trump is the Antichrist. This latter seems like the most credible statement on his website.

 

 


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17/05/2020 11:56 pm  

Webre also can't have ever litigated a case, or won a case, in Ontario, unless he has omitted his Canadian legal education from his website, despite his extensive other claims about his education.

US-trained lawyers wishing to practice in Canada must compete formal, Canadian law school education in four Canada-specific legal topics, and a 9-15 month "articling" apprenticeship in a Canadian law practice, and pass four "challenge exams on the four Canadian law topics, before seeking bar admission.

There does not appear to be any such thing as a "special appearance" or pro hoc vice admission "for this case only" that would permit a US-trained attorney to bring a case in the Canadian courts.

Webre appears to be a great big fibber. Maybe Mr White was legit/real, but Webre isn't.


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18/05/2020 2:47 am  

@dom in terms of the second smartest living creature on this planet, I was not referring to Dolphins - although they are tremendously smart. No, I was alluding to something in the dinosaur genome - a corvid - specifically the New Caledonian Crow. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Genius_of_Birds


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18/05/2020 2:53 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

he Webre fellow has never in his life been mentioned in any newspaper or magazine searchable by google

This represents absence of proof, for or against him, his story, or his validity.

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This is surprising, given he claims a distinguished career that should have led to frequent mentions in the NY press, and internationally.

I used your link, went to his page, saw nothing containing "distinguished," ran a "FIND IN THIS PAGE" for "distinguished," and nothing came up.

I have no idea what his career was, distinguished or extinguished, except he was the Director of the Carter Exo Deal and he got a $750M judgement for Mr White in his case against govt agencies.

If it could be shown that he was, or was not, said Director under Carter, I would be willing to stand fast or yield my fake news.

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On the now-deleted wikipedia page about him, it is claimed he "was raised in Cuba". How he attended Georgetown Preparatory School in DC if this is so is unclear

I once upon a time admitted a dentist to practice dentistry in my mouth. He was born in Cuba and went to whatever they have for dental schools down there. Then he practiced in NY. Then he came to New Mexico.

He claims his (now deleted) Wikipedia page was abrogated by the CIA, in retribution for announcing that the gov had possession of, or access to, interdimensional gadgets.

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The only Google hits for "'Texas Democratic Presidential Convention' 1996" are Webre's pages.

How unfortunate for him. I hope he's not been padding his curriculum vitae.

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He never was an Assistant US Attorney in the Middle District of Florida, since he was never admitted to the Florida bar

Is it a requirement for an attorney in Federal Court be licensed/embared in that State?

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it's hard to see how the Middle District of Florida would even have jurisdiction in a matter involving matters in Ontario.

The media attack on Mr. White was launched by Time-Warner/HBO from the USA.

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would very much like to read some record of this case, which somehow mutated from a Florida criminal case into an Ontario civil case with a $750 million judgement, that has never been mentioned in the Canadian press.

The entire transcript, plus a lot of anecdotal material describing the continued pressure on Mr. White, is set forth in The Levesque Cases ( a book I once read and then resold). I believe it is available on Alfred's site as a ebook for $2.99.

It is very boring. Legal motions. You will understand it, but I mostly stuck with the drama that built up after he filed suit.

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So some things he claims about himself are definitely false, most claims by him are very dubious, and there is no evidence whatever that anything he claims about himself is true.

If he's doing an impression of Ol' Fakey, I will be disappointed in him. I am considering asking him about these discrepancies.

If I lose faith in him, I will have to depend upon my own experiences, which do not involve abduction, or politics, or courts.

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Webre also can't have ever litigated a case, or won a case, in Ontario, unless he has omitted his Canadian legal education

I wouldn't know. But I just gave you the Case Number, so I imagine further verification or denunciation is within reach.

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Webre appears to be a great big fibber. Maybe Mr White was legit/real, but Webre isn't.

Pleae check out the Case Number and report back at your convenience.

 


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18/05/2020 2:57 am  

And this of course brings up the question of mythology. We keep seeing this recurring theme of large avian creatures interacting with humanity in the various legends of antiquity. We have Pazuzu in Mesopotamia, Horus in Egypt, the Phoenix in Greek mythology, Quetzalcoatl in Meso America, Wakinyan or the Thunder Bird in North America, and even Fu Xi in China. Could there be a common thread here that we are missing?


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18/05/2020 3:22 am  
Posted by: @faustian

large avian creatures interacting with humanity in the various legends of antiquity.

I have noticed that. A couple decades ago I identified the Birdmen vs the Reptiles syndrome.

Posted by: @faustian

Could there be a common thread here that we are missing?

Like I just said, I didn't miss the common thread. But maybe it needs to be pointed out for those who have missed it.

What it means is a different discussion.

 


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18/05/2020 12:46 pm  

I can't find any trace of any Canadian or US case involving Pierre Richard Levesque versus Time-Warner, or the Queen, his middle name being a superhelpful detail found on the Gumtree page for The Levesque Cases e-book, which alas is "not currently for sale"; there is a paper copy on amazon for $489.

The back cover on Amazon rather amusingly says he "represented PIERRE R. LEVESQUE in US and Canadian courts in more than two years of litigation".

Two years of litigation = a case that was involved with almost impossible rapidity. Getting to an initial trial in a US Federal court case typically takes at least a couple years. I think however the purpose here is to convince non-lawyers this was a big deal. No Federal case ever got to appeal in two years since the 19th century if then.

The image you include adds another detail: the claim that the Canadian case was resolved by a $755 million default judgement against the provincial government of Ontario in the Supreme Court of Ontario. A default judgement is entered when a party does not appear in court to contest a case. The Supreme Court of Ontario was an appeals court (no longer exists because of court reorganizations since).

So the claim is that the Attorney General of Ontario did not appear in this appeals case, just ignored the court summons, and didn't bother to send any of their couple hundred lawyers to court, even though they had won the case at trial (Levesque would not have appealed if he'd won at trial). This is not a thing that happens.

Another rather fantastic claim is that the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals lost the trial record from the claimed Middle District of Florida case. This is also simply not a thing that happens.

And of course it would be very annoying, but wouldn't have any effect on the case, except to create months of billable hours of work ("billable hours" being the product manufactured by lawyers) recreating that dozen cartons of files from the copies on file with the Middle District of Florida, and at the attorney's office. And of course the three judges would be beyond lividly furious, and would bend over backwards to assure that there would be no prejudice against the litigant.

Maybe i am just very naive, and these things happened; if so, i sure want to read about it but not $489 bad.

And in answer to your question, yes an attorney must be admitted to the bar in a state to practice law, such as filing a case, in that state.

But Webre says "Alfred began prosecuting the Levesque cases in US Federal District Court, Orlando, Florida in 1987 [emphasis added]". Graduates of Yale Law School, such as Webre claims to be, know that to "prosecute" a case means "to appear representing the government against a defendant in a criminal case"; civil cases representing individuals are litigated but not "prosecuted".

So, with that phrase, he is claiming something very specific: that in 1987, he was an Assistant US Attorney for the Middle District of Florida working for the US Department of Justice when he brought this criminal case on behalf of the United States against Time-Warner. AUSAs obviously must be admitted to the state bar in the district where they practice. If he has ever been admitted to the Florida bar, the conspiracy has vanished the records of this.

If a medical case record claimed that the physician "defibrillated" the patient's femur, would that seem kinda fishy to you? The use of "prosecute" in that sentence convinces me that everything he claims about this purported case is a lie/fantasy.

 


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18/05/2020 1:52 pm  

I have finally found some record that Webre was admitted to any bar anywhere!

He is an "Inactive" member in "Good Standing" of the Washington, DC bar, with an exopolitics.com email address, so it's the right Alfred L. Webre. Unfortunately DC doesn't list where you went to law school in bar listings. Tempted to give him a call at the phone number listed.


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After much searching of the Federal PACER case tracking system (and spending literally ten cents US in PACER fees, i'll have you know), i have finally found the Florida case, despite every mention of it online by Webre giving incorrect docket, and case name, information. This is a pretty detailed reply from Webre to someone with the same questions i have:

https://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg47650.html

Webre does not reply to the question of why "any viable defendants would allow a $750 million default judgment to be entered. Why didn't they fight the lawsuit?"

Webre says the US case resulted in him being fined under Rule 11 of the Federal procedure rules for bringing a frivolous case. This is the sole statement he has made about this case that i've found that i find credible.

The case was not called Levesque v. Time Inc et al., but rather Levesque v. Home Box Office Inc, et al., docket 6:87-cv-00887-GKS, filed October 2, 1987, ended March 3, 1989 (Time Inc was an additional defendant). No documents, court filings, or proceedings exist. Webre says this is because of "the mind-control networks". I am going to contact the Clerk's office, and the Judge, who is still alive; bet they'll remember this case.

There is no PACER record of any appeal to the 11th District ever existing, so boy oh boy did the mind-control networks lose those case records. None of the docket numbers for the 11th Circuit case he gives in the reply i link above has anything to do with any Pierre Levesque appealing from the Middle District of Florida. Will keep checking on the Canadian end.


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18/05/2020 8:45 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

The image you include adds another detail: the claim that the Canadian case was resolved by a $755 million default judgement against the provincial government of Ontario in the Supreme Court of Ontario. A default judgement is entered when a party does not appear in court

This is correct, and I understand what a default judgment is. According to the book, the defendants simply backed off ... thus avoiding publicity. Then they tried to make his life miserable. The part about killing him was not in the book, but obtained by me from Webre and his associate.

When I first heard about The Levesque Cases (TLC), I got right on the Borg and could not find one. Then one popped up for $29 or so in Canada. Brand new, no less. I bought it, read it, highlighted-scribbled-underlined and copied certain portions, like the part I posted above, and then resold it as highly scribbled for about $20. About 6-9 months ago, it was available as an eBook on his site for $1.99 or $2.99. It seems to have been withdrawn (the eBook), sold out (the real book), or purged (by The Black Lodge or The White Lodge or Alfred himself).

Later, after the book's coming and going, I was searching for any updates on Pierre, and came across a Yahoo or Google forum seemingly run by his first wife. In The Levesque Cases, she was described as having been "turned" by the evil dudes, and she underwent a meltdown that would put our raving LAShTAL visitors to shame. A divorce ensued. In addition, I had posted the details of when he threw her out - on my website. The search result that led me to her forum was a message to her saying, "You better look at this" and gave the link to my specific page dealing with Pierre (and her banishment).

So I signed up and had a few exchanges with her. This forum was essentially like LAShTAL, but limited to what appeared to be elderly ladies. His ex-wife's name is/was Winifred Barton (another name to chase after). She did not deny anything I had posted, but did go on about what a wonderful time they had, and she sent me a picture of the two of them. This picture always reminds me of the pic of Parsons and Cameron together.

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 Anyway, there was one man posting regularly on her forum, his comments always directed to he personally (not any of the other ladies). It was Alfred. After he had exposed her unstable and obstructive behavior, I thought it odd that they (obviously) had remained friends.

His email address was available, so I dialed him up and asked how Pierre had died. The story was, of course, bizarre.

But Pierre is one matter, and Alfred is another. I anticipated a discussion or a fistfight over the term interdimensional as a synonym for UFO, but then I posted Alfred as prominent and associated with that term, so he's open for review. I cannot take a defensive position in relation to your findings, and if his Terran persona is all made up, then so be it.

I have followed many of the leads/no-leads you discovered. Like yourself, his book (TLC) is as scarce as the original manuscript of AL.

I do not feel we are going off-topic, especially with Pierre citing Therion, The Book of Thoth, Horus ("Warlord of the Galaxy"), and other references. Pierre, Winifred, and Alfred are bound up in some strange knot, and it's not easy to untie. Outright lies cannot be condoned, so I will go along with the investigation.

Alfred's "exiled" Wikipedia site has been ported elsewhere, and it bears this explanation ...

"His fans went nuts about the proposed deletion[10] of his puff-piece on Wikipedia (which this RationalWiki article started as a ported copy of), including a threat of a tort over the deletion discussion:

[2]. This is the Wikipedia Editor who erroneously determined there was no Industrial Administration major at Yale in 1964, and on the basis of that states he disbelieves the rest of Webre's career and will exclude it from Wikipedia, giving rise to a civil tort for negligence and malicious interference with business. [3]

'Cos that'd convince any judge anywhere, no worries.

Mr Webre's own comment serves as a one-line explanation of why this RationalWiki article exists:

My view is that Wikipedia's action continues to be part of the CIA time travel controlled US Presidency's retaliation against me for having exposed Soetoro/Obama's participation in a 1980-83 secret CIA jumproom project.[11]

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alfred_Webre

Your post (above) is long enough to continue commenting, but I must attend to other duties. I'll come back and look over more evidence ... or the lack of it.

 


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18/05/2020 9:13 pm  
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This forum was essentially like LAShTAL, but limited to what appeared to be elderly ladies.

Made me LOL, as the youth say. We need more elderly ladies- where are our Phyllis Secklers?

I am in no position to evaluate anything about Mr. White/Pierre Levesque, and am not making any judgement whatever about him based on what i've posted here.

But his lawyer was/is a complete nut; either that, or a scam artist, but, if so, he'd let me buy his e-book. He does seem like he has become significantly crazier over time, and may still have been slightly hinged when he represented Levesque 30 years ago. But he is not a reliable source for anything that can't be corroborated somewhere else. In fact, he's the type of person that, if he says something, i'd want way more evidence than i usually would.

I have never encountered a nut whose claims are so self-referential- nothing leads anywhere except to one of his own sites. All the positive reviews of his books are by a man named "Alfred". Normal nuts refer to all sorts of non-nut things that they have misunderstood.

There is a copy of The Levesque Cases on alibris.com for $81.87; were the US economy normal, i might buy it.

But then that would mean inter-library loan would be back in service, and i'd do an inter-library loan of the copy from the library at University of Connecticut law school (Harvard has one too, but UConn is closer).


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18/05/2020 9:39 pm  

I did, by the way, encounter a French UFO, or possibly a government mind-control, nut-site that said (in French) that White's dentist said his teeth had evidence of extraordinary amounts of radiation. I can't recall if this was supposed to be post, or ante, mortem. But this may just be one of Webre's many sites.


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18/05/2020 10:05 pm  
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radiation

Here's the whole story ...


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18/05/2020 10:12 pm  

This is exactly what i read, except it was in French.

I don't think anything in English that i found mentioned anything about Mr White's teeth. But i have read so much of Webre's stuff today that i'm not certain.


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19/05/2020 1:56 am  

I wrote two Chapters in Insude the Law (now revised Inside). One was about my adventure going to the Plantation in North Carolina to visit Mr White (just after the HBO attack, but I knew nothing about that at the time). The other was the Strange Tale, posted above. As far as I know, no other reports about radiation/teeth exist, as it was disclosed to me in an email by a friend of Pierre's. I had it posted online for a while, so anyone could have translated it into french. Or maybe someone elsehear the same story.

But I believe you recently read Insude, so ... there?

Also the last link in my Strange Tale Show-and-Tell features an email where Alfred explains why there is no record in the USA, and all you have to do is run up to Ontario and you can get the Canadian court file. His explanation(s) involve covert actions.

I haven't had time to get back to your posts, but let me mention that we are two people on one thread, and no other threads have had any posts for a day. At least Faustian joined in here, so we know everybody isn't dead.

 


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19/05/2020 3:55 am  
Posted by: @shiva

I haven't had time to get back to your posts, but let me mention that we are two people on one thread, and no other threads have had any posts for a day. At least Faustian joined in here, so we know everybody isn't dead.

Lurking but listening (reading) with interest.


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19/05/2020 4:02 am  

@shiva I must say that this whole Mr. White business is a little difficult to follow - it sort of reminds me of the Montauk Project in another form - the deeper you go, the more insane it gets. 

I am reminded of Herman Hesse's Steppenwolf quote -

Magic Theatre

Entrance Not for Everybody

For Madmen Only

By the way, interesting observation about the fact that no one is posting anymore. I wonder if Corona anxiety is starting to eat away at everyone's mind.


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19/05/2020 8:30 am  
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Magic Theatre

One of my all-time favorites, both as a book and the movie too.

I could give you an overview timeline, but look, tomorrow I'll put the two Chapters (a) Mr White & his Message, (b) Strange Tale, his Death and into to AL Webre. They are widely separated in the book - by about three decades.

This is heavy-duty stuff. Interdimensional activities. Mr White, the Rider on the White Horse. Mr White and Liber AL. Mr White versus the Deep State. The Deep State assassinates Mr. White with electromagnetic weaponry. It'd make a great movie.

There is more in common between Mr White and Jack Parsons than the two similar pics I posted above.

Alfred goes along for the ride, wins almost a billion Canadian bucks on the one hand, and gets fined in $US for bringing frivolous action, then the US case is officially "lost" completely by the appeals court. This is Alfred's part in the story. Ignant is first checking out Alred's claims. He is having the same problem I had. Dead ends everywhere. Alfred would tell him a whole lotta scrubbings been goin' on. Ignant would not believe him. I am willing to accept fakery if Ignant finds such. Such veracity or duplicity is important. Since he has been identified as a bona-fido lawyer, in good standing but "inactive," I am mostly interested in

(1) Was there a '77 Carter White House Study on Exopolitics? And, of course, was Albert there?

(2) Hid Alfred & Pierre win a $755 Mil judgment? Default or anyway.

Alfred is 77, so I can see why he's inactive. I'm 80, and I stopped paying renewal fees for my license ten years ago. Then the gov called me up and wanted me to volunteer to fight the plague ... They were even willing to activate lapsed (non paid) licenses. Since Alfred is mostly interested in time travel these days, he moves out of my league, and I'm just as (or more) confused than you. I have seen the covers and the blurbs for his latest books. I do not resonate there because it is not in my realm of experience.

I understand the overall screenplay here. I walked through part of it. Nothing but fragments have been posted. So, as I said, I'll come back and post the whole story (as it involved me), and this version has pretty color pictures and probably some cartoons. No music.

 


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19/05/2020 3:45 pm  

Anyone know why these 'greys' are so darn timid? They follow cars then suddenly shoot off in their crafts or shoot off when seen.  If you had advanced superior firepower you'd be  coming on like Alexander the Great or Napoleon not like PeeWee Herman.  This suggests that UFO sightings are just the warping of human consciousness on certain Planetary zones.

 

Unless their reconnaissance missions take decades? 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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19/05/2020 3:52 pm  

@kidneyhawk

 

Ditto.

 

 


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19/05/2020 3:59 pm  

@faustian

 

COVID-19 is doing it's hidden job.

 

Making the crazy louder.

And people like me quieter.

 

Ah'm thinkin'....

 

RE MR WHITE

The story is rather fanciful but being a (non-crazy) nut I can believe most of it . Just due to knowing certain things due to certain connections in the military. 

 

He did sound like a very powerful persona, and I wonder what'd be like if one could feel that kind of energy in person.  

RE THE LAWYER

The more I hear on that the more my spidey-sense says he was out to make a buck and nothing much else.  Right-place right-time kinda thing?   But he did have a meeting with Extraordinary Men. 

 

RE BARRY O'SOETORO NEE OBAMA

If the lawyer says all presidents are past time travelers, where does that put us RE Trump and being the 'last president' per that wacky theory with the book from the 1800s?

 

https://www.yourtango.com/2017305512/theories-predictions-donald-barron-trump-time-travelers-19th-century-books

 

 


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Have run into a complete brick wall in trying to find anything about the claimed Canadian judgement.

There don't seem to be any late '80s court records or decisions online except for the Supreme Court of Canada. No Ottawa or Toronto newspapers from that period seem to be available online. I am totally out of my depth researching anything in Canadian law of course. Trying to figure out how Canadian courts functioned in the 1980s has been another issue. Anyone who knows anything about these things is invited to help.

What we are trying to find is any evidence of a judgement, and subsequent order barring enforcement of the judgement, said to have been

entered on July 25, 1989 by the registrar of the Supreme Court of Ontario, Ottawa in Levesque v. The Queen [sic; most likely Regina, her Latin title] et al. Court file no. 13258 (S.C.O. Ontario) [...]

The $750 million default judgment was against the Government of Ontario and the Ontario Provincial Police, as agents for the defendants, USA, CIA, and President George Bush. [...]

Shortly after winning the default judgment under Ontario law, the Ontario courts placed an order against him prohibiting him to use the courts. Therefore he was prohibited from prosecuting [!!!sic; of course Yale Law grads know one does not "prosecute" a civil judgment] to collect his own judgment.

In normal times, an afternoon in a large university library would be enough to resolve whether or not this happened, but these are not normal times.


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19/05/2020 4:41 pm  

@christibrany that was an absolutely fascinating story about Trump. Talk about synchronicity. There has always been a theatrical dimension to the man, border lining on the burlesque, that gives one a sense that darker forces are at work here. For me, he is the Mule character out of Asimov's trilogy - a wicked combination of mentalics and distorted ego. 


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19/05/2020 4:42 pm  

@ignant666

I have been scouring my alma mater library at CU online and nothing comes up either.  It is probably not digitised if it exists. 


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19/05/2020 4:44 pm  

@faustian

 

Definitely somethin' 'weird' goin' on. 

 

Sometimes I wonder if he is truly a human lol.  Not being denigrate (iggers) just is a very interesting person.   Of course I could also say that about Bush Jr and Obama for other reasons.

A lot of US Presidents seem very alien.   I can see how an unhinged person may latch onto grandiose theories like that, or time traveling presidents. hmmm

'We have to go back in time to save the future, Ted- rock on' 


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19/05/2020 6:09 pm  
Posted by: @dom

Anyone know why these 'greys' are so darn timid?

Please review everything known about the 8th, Quantum, neurocircuit. Or just remember that everything known can be boiled down to the anagrammah "WTF?"

Posted by: @christibrany

He did sound like a very powerful persona, and I wonder what'd be like if one could feel that kind of energy in person.  

He did not radiate "power" in any usual sense. It was "clarity," as in the "Clear" state of elRon (which is not clear), or The Primary Clear Light. But we were having a dialog, so if I wanted to be dramatic or romantic, I would say he was one part of The Secondary clear Light. You may also note the reaction of Fr Mont, who was visibly shaking with a rising kundalini.

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In normal times, an afternoon in a large university library would be enough to resolve whether or not this happened, but these are not normal times.

Yes. And I consciously knew I was throwing an epic engram with many enigmas onto your plate(s). I had no problems with telling the story of my visit to North Carolina, and I saved and assembled The Strange Tale back in 2008 (gee-whizards, that was during my first year here at LAShTAL), and I posted that part online, on one of my websites, but withdrew it in favor of silence.

Then I slipped it in to Insude the Law, so the whole thing is out of the box now. Therefore, a complimentary copy of the relevant (revelant?) material is Attached herewith for anyone who wants to exercise their power of investigation, with Liber AL, The White Brotherhood, , UFOs/interdimensionals and Alfred Lambremont Webre all thrown in. Here ... 

 

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It is probably not digitised if it exists. 

One good start is to locate a cheap The Levesque Cases. I may ask Alfred why it's no longer available for 2 or 3 bucks on his site. The book contains the complete transcript of mountains of legal jumbo-mumble, which Ignant could roll around in for days.

Posted by: @christibrany

Sometimes I wonder if he is truly a human lol.

He is a shining example of the first ray. His persona has been compared to Patton. Gen Omar Bradley was embarrassed by Patton's "flawed personality."

Posted by: @christibrany

We have to go back in time to save the future

You are a prime candidate for the Webre enigma.

Let's not forget that if and when the gestalt can be narrowed down to a few key questions, Alfred is alive and he I understand he answers emails. He is one of the stronger "way out there" presences on podcasts and youtube. His speech pattern is riddled with "uhs," and he speaks slowly. He has some condition, but has recently been taking some substance and his speech has improved.

 


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19/05/2020 6:32 pm  

I trust your judgement as to Mr White, but his one-time lawyer is currently extremely nuts, like a 14 on a scale of 1-10, and seems unable to distinguish reality from imagination.

He may have been less nuts in the late '80s. But the Rule 11 sanction on the Florida case does not look good for his lawyering skills.

I remain very very doubtful that the Attorney General of Ontario allowed a default judgement of close to a billion, and then somehow prevented the plaintiff from collecting.

The only scenario i can i imagine that might fit in with Webre's claims is where the AG of Ontario was never served, or served defectively, and thus failed to appear, and a purported default judgement was entered on the record, that was later voided when the AG showed no or defective service of process.

If the defective judgement was due to bad faith or fraud on the plaintiff's attorney's part, that might lead to a dismissal of the suit with prejudice (meaning it can't be refiled to cure the defect). I know literally zero about Canadian procedural law, but am just reasoning on general common-law principles. These events could be interpreted by a bad lawyer covering his ass by bullshitting his client/himself, as a default judgement followed by "an order against him prohibiting him to use the courts".

I still don't see how Webre possibly could have been allowed to appear in a Canadian court at all- it takes two years of  Canadian law school, and a long bar exam, and a more or less year-long apprenticeship with a Canadian firm, for a US law school grad and lawyer to practice in Canada.

You know my email; if Mr Webre wants to send me a pdf of The Levesque Cases, i will read it with great fascination. If he's willing to sell me an e-book, tell me how to pay. If anyone knows of a paper copy for sale for a reasonable price, i'll buy it. It can go next to The race for eLGMOR on my nut-literature shelf, or with the law stuff if my skepticism is confounded and all this turns out to be true. I sure do want to read it now.

I also can't find any evidence whatever that there was any Carter UFO study; all mentions lead back to Webre. Not saying it isn't true, just haven't found any evidence yet that it is true. Like almost everything he says.


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19/05/2020 6:49 pm  
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It can go next to The race for eLGMOR on my nut-literature shelf

Do you have an actual shelf like that- if so what else is on it?

I tossed my ELGMOR....it made me sick. 

Guess I am not advanced enough. 


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