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Alan_OBrien
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15/01/2020 5:35 pm  

I was looking for a French Masonic Forum today and clicked on this link:

https://www.geneanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=517779

The first post is:

Je suis archiviste de la loge Thélème fondée à Paris en 1886 au Grand-Orient de France. J'ai numérisé les 12 000 pages d'archives de la loge et je cherche des descendants des membres de cette loge. Depuis 1886, il y a eu 538 membres. Notre loge a conservé 52 % des planches (c'est-à-dire des exposés des frères de la loge) et 80% des tracés (c'est-à-dire des procès-verbaux des réunions que l'on appelle tenues).


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15/01/2020 6:02 pm  

Presumably the lodge name is a reference to Rabelais' Abbaye de Thélème in Gargantua and Pantagruel:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Rabelais#Th%C3%A9l%C3%A8me

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbaye_de_Th%C3%A9l%C3%A8me


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15/01/2020 9:21 pm  
Posted by: @alan_obrien

Je suis archiviste de la loge Thélème fondée à Paris en 1886 au Grand-Orient de France.

WTF? 😐  The Guidelines, which are the only Scriptures that have any siddhi force around here ... well, they used to say all posts must be in English. I don't read frog-lingo (in which words are not pronounced as they are spelled), so I cannot make a comment based on the quote.

 


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15/01/2020 9:45 pm  

@shiva

With all due respect, Shiva, du ju rialli think Inglish is pronaunsed as written? Batt off kors, ju ar rait pousts shud bi in Inglish.

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15/01/2020 9:48 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

I don't read frog-lingo

"I am archivist of the Thelème lodge founded in Paris in 1886 in the Grand East of France. I have digitized the 12,000 pages of archives in the lodge and Am looking for descendants of the members of that lodge. Since 1886 there have been 538 members. Our lodge has retained 52% of the planks (i.e. presentations by the brothers in the lodge) and 80% of the layouts (i.e. minutes of the so-called meetings)."

Google the word 'translate' and you can have almost all the world's tongues dancing on your own in no time. Unless you're afraid the Borg will insem assimilate you.

And Apollonius said, "I comprehend all languages but have learned none. I know what all men speak, for I also know that about which all men keep silent."


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15/01/2020 11:45 pm  

That was the legal entity most who belonged were widows sons or thought they were the children of Isis Sophia or somethin but they didn’t do much.

The real occultists that did real magic during that period mingled around the bouts of Edmond Baill’s book shop. people like Erick Satie, Claude Debussy, Inayat Khan,Victor-Emile Michelet, Felicien Rops, Odilon Redon;

or in Stanislas De Guaita’s apartment, such as Papus (Gerard Encausse ), The Sar Joséphin Péladan, St Yves d’Alveydre;

as well as in the Salon de la Rose + Croix - Jean Delville, Alphonse Osbert, Emiele Bernard, Gustave Moreau, Gabriel Albinet ,Alexandre Seon

or hooked up with the English strand at the Ahathoor Number 7 Temple.


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16/01/2020 12:27 am  

In the spirit of the foreign lingos I've just found one funny new reference:

Out of my cat's curiosity I've clicked the name "nutten" in the "Our newest member" section. To my surprise it's been a girl's picture avatar who says: "So einfach ist es auf nutten wien mit einer geilen Frau aus der Nähe ein Online Sexabenteuer zu starten."

I've called the Borg & the translation says: "It's so easy to start an online sex adventure with a horny woman up close on nutten wien." The words "nutten wien" link to adults only site. I've removed the link from this post.

It's so easy... to see nutty things everywhere... even on the LAShTAL...


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16/01/2020 1:20 am  
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du ju rialli think Inglish is pronaunsed as written?

Heavunz Nay. That's because English, not the Queen's but good olde Amerikan Inglish, is a Germanic Lingo, but it has strong French input. For instance, when -ouge or something like it is used. Spanish is the most solid, what with each letter always being pronounced the same, but even there I'm hopelessly lost as soon as past or future tenses are required. In Mexico, I always live in the present tense.

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"I am archivist of the Thelème lodge founded in Paris in 1886 in the Grand East of France ...

Thank you so much for the translation."

I think the "Grand East" should be "Grand Orient," just like in French-lingo, and as used by the Masons of those daze. Of course, Orient means East, and it simply another proof. Of what? Well, as Nerdy Mortis, an actual Christian rev, said to me, "It's those damn eastern teachings!"

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"So einfach ist es auf nutten wien mit einer geilen Frau aus der Nähe ein Online Sexabenteuer zu starten."

More WTF foreign-lingo stuff. It's illegal! says so in the Scriptures Guidelines.

Now look (and listen)!  Before anybody gets up on their high hobby horse, I must confess to ancestryally being 50% Kraut German, and 25% Frog French. So don't accuse me of racialism or biggedry (buggery?). The rest of my forbearers came from the British Isles, and that's where the Anglia-lingo got mixed up with the wine merchants.

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It's so easy... to see nutty things everywhere... even on the LAShTAL...

ESPECIALLY HERE on the LAShTAL. There have been Reports, for years, of spammers hitting this site (Sex, Viagra, Cheap Prices, Russian Brides). They invaded the PM (secret mail boxes) software, and caused us to lose that capacity (to send private messages to each other, or to get a Russian Bride).

 


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16/01/2020 9:25 am  
Posted by: @serpent252

Out of my cat's curiosity I've clicked the name "nutten" in the "Our newest member" section. To my surprise it's been a girl's picture avatar who says: "So einfach ist es auf nutten wien mit einer geilen Frau aus der Nähe ein Online Sexabenteuer zu starten."

I've mentioned elsewhere that spam memberships are being registered at a significant rate and that all recent 'membership number' statistics should be ignored. Eol is exploring methods by which these fake accounts can be prevented but meanwhile I am temporarily disabling new registrations.

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Alan_OBrien
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16/01/2020 5:36 pm  
Posted by: @shiva
Posted by: @alan_obrien

Je suis archiviste de la loge Thélème fondée à Paris en 1886 au Grand-Orient de France.

WTF? 😐  The Guidelines, which are the only Scriptures that have any siddhi force around here ... well, they used to say all posts must be in English. I don't read frog-lingo (in which words are not pronounced as they are spelled), so I cannot make a comment based on the quote.

 

I apologize. I was going to translate the whole paragraph, but really the only part that is important is the first sentence.

I didn't translate that because I thought it might sound patronizing.

I mean, if you can guess what "je suis" means, then the rest of the sentence isn't that hard.


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16/01/2020 9:23 pm  
Posted by: @alan_obrien

I mean, if you can guess what "je suis" means, then the rest of the sentence isn't that hard.

"Je susis" = Jesus?

Guessing will not help. Unless I already know a word, I am hopeless in figuring out foreign lingo.


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16/01/2020 9:45 pm  
Posted by: @alan_obrien

I mean, if you can guess what "je suis" means,

Bill Wyman (ex-bassist of the Strolling Bones) in the '70s brought out a single called "Je suis un rock star" which did moderately well.

Though I wonder what he could have meant?

NormaN Joy Conquest


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17/01/2020 1:15 am  
Posted by: @djedi
Posted by: @shiva

I don't read frog-lingo

Google the word 'translate' and you can have almost all the world's tongues dancing on your own in no time. Unless you're afraid the Borg will insem assimilate you.

Borg? Sounds Swedish.

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17/01/2020 1:30 am  
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Borg? Sounds Swedish.

Were you "bjorn" yesterday, mal?

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17/01/2020 1:48 am  
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Borg? Sounds Swedish.

Were you "bjorn" yesterday, mal?

N Joy

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17/01/2020 9:55 pm  

Another pointless post by a person i generally try to ignore, just posting to make the New Ager swastika avatar temporarily disappear from the new posting listings.


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18/01/2020 12:40 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

a person i generally try to ignore

A claim which your persistent attentions contradict.

Posted by: @ignant666

New Ager swastika avatar

It's a medicine wheel. As you were previously informed.

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18/01/2020 1:04 am  

It's a swastika.

Calling a circular swastika a "medicine wheel" does not make it not a swastika any more. 

The Nazis used the circular form of swastika in several civilian organization badges, so you can't even say "but it's not the kind of swastika the Nazis used!"

You don't seem to be a Nazi- you seem to be a mush-minded New Ager. But using a swastika as an avatar is repugnant regardless.

Mocking your wretched taste in music in the now defunct music thread hardly counts as "persistent attentions". You seldom post anything of substance, so i mostly ignore your vapid blathering.


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18/01/2020 1:32 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

It's a swastika.

Calling a circular swastika a "medicine wheel" does not make it not a swastika any more. 

The Nazis used the circular form of swastika in several civilian organization badges, so you can't even say "but it's not the kind of swastika the Nazis used!"

You don't seem to be a Nazi- you seem to be a mush-minded New Ager. But using a swastika as an avatar is repugnant regardless.

Mocking your wretched taste in music in the now defunct music thread hardly counts as "persistent attentions". You seldom post anything of substance, so i mostly ignore your vapid blathering.

Medicine wheels aren't new age. If you really want to learn and speak from a place of understanding begin by searching for 'quill art medicine wheel' and you'll find many traditional representations which are similar if not exactly the same.

As much as I enjoy the opportunity to speak of my culture, this thread is not the place for your education on medicine wheels. Or for your venting or to have your resentments confronted. Discussion should return to the subject.

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18/01/2020 2:47 am  

@ignant666

 

You seem to have some serious mental hang ups in regards to your 'swastika' sign.

 

 

I am not a nazi and have never been a member of the nazi party (remember those trials) but I understand and appreciate the symbol as both a medicine wheel and a sun wheel.

 

I went to a metal concert with the wife, of course mostly European metal, Arkona (Russian pagan metal), Omnium Gatherum (Finland) and others it was amazing.

 

I even asked the guy at the 'merch' stand, 'what does that sign mean on the back?'   "It's a sun wheel, it represents the sun revolving"

 

Goood enough for me.

 

What is your hang up? 

 

That symbol pre-dates the Nazis.

In regards to your other posts I appreciate them but not your 'political' ones. 


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18/01/2020 9:16 am  

The Hakenkreuz would be rotated rotated 45 degrees proper.
The Fylfot moving DeiSol should be balanced with the yungdrung Svastika moving withershins; Tzimtzum.


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18/01/2020 9:38 am  

@christibrany

You seem to have some serious mental hang ups in regards to your 'swastika' sign.

Ignant's persistent unabashed bashing of anything that looks even remotely connected to the disease of Nazism?   If you criticise him for it his next move is to present you with facts about the possible international concerted efforts of anti-progressive nationalists who seem to be networking and succeeding in subtly making Fascism look ok.....again.        


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18/01/2020 2:40 pm  
Posted by: @dom

Ignant's persistent unabashed bashing of anything that looks even remotely connected to the disease of Nazism?   If you criticise him for it his next move is to present you with facts about the possible international concerted efforts of anti-progressive nationalists who seem to be networking and succeeding in subtly making Fascism look ok.....again.        

Persecution* and suppression based on a cause of ideological purity that remains self-righteous in wilful ignorance demonstrates fascist tendencies. The anti-progressive nationalist point does remind that ignant recently used nationality as a personal attack.

 

*hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs.

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18/01/2020 2:55 pm  

@mal - It is hard to decide whether you are more funny, or sad. Your self-pity and narcissism do not make for an attractive presentation.

Truly, Canadians are an oppressed subaltern race; i deeply regret making fun of your unfortunate condition.


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18/01/2020 3:09 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

@mal - It is hard to decide whether you are more funny, or sad. Your self-pity and narcissism do not make for an attractive presentation.

Truly, Canadians are an oppressed subaltern race; i deeply regret making fun of your unfortunate condition.

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

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18/01/2020 3:33 pm  
Posted by: @mal

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

I expect that, as a "woke" post-boomer, your self-esteem may have a good deal to do with how you imagine you are perceived online.

Some of us grown folk have a lifetime of actual real-world accomplishments.

As to to your belief that you have been subject to "[p]ersecution and suppression" or "hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs", you might do well to talk over some of these feelings with a therapist


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18/01/2020 4:20 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Some of us grown folk have a lifetime of actual real-world accomplishments.

May it bring you the accomplishment of your true will and perfect happiness.

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18/01/2020 6:46 pm  
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May it bring you the accomplishment of your true will and perfect happiness.

I say, that's a bit of a hard and low strike there isn't it?  I might even have to report this matter to the master, I mean moderator...

Oh, on second thoughts to hell with it

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18/01/2020 7:09 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

I say, that's a bit of a hard and low strike there isn't it?  I might even have to report this matter to the master, I mean moderator...

Oh, on second thoughts to hell with it

Z oyJ

That wasn't meant with hostility. I've tried to de-escalate and if you look at the conversation I wasn't the instigator and only responding.

Hopefully this wraps up this off topic matter.

It would be best to return to the topic.

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18/01/2020 7:26 pm  
Posted by: @mal

It would be best to return to the topic.

I would normally agree, but there isn't much of a topic to which we might return. Unless any of us are connected to this obscure lodge of French freemasons from the nineteenth century, which I doubt, there isn't much left to talk about. Maybe @azrael12393 will get tired of twitter and come tell us a thing or two.

Maybe we can just straddle the topic until it burns out, or the thread gets locked. Maybe our more educated posters can tell us about French psychology -- that's kind of like magic, in a lame way. I've heard French psychologists still use Freudian psychoanalysis, and they think autism in a child is the result of a frigid mother.


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18/01/2020 7:49 pm  
Posted by: @mal

That wasn't meant with hostility. I've tried to de-escalate and if you look at the conversation I wasn't the instigator and only responding.

?

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That wasn't meant with seriousness. I've tried to inject an element of lightness & humour if you look at the conversation and was only responding in that vein...

Get it now!? (If not, try AL II:60)

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18/01/2020 9:46 pm  

Frigid Mother autism theory now we're talkin'.   Autism and aspergers aren't they words that scum use for the spiritually advanced?


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18/01/2020 10:03 pm  

I’ve heard French psychologists still use Freudian psychoanalysis, and they think autism in a child is the result of a frigid mother.

I hear they found out he never interviewed a child and came up with all his ideas on cocaine.  so they started looking into Jungian, Adlerian, Reichian, therapies as well as

Kohut self psychology theory
Mahler’s theory of separation–individuation
Winnicott ’s theories on the true and false self
Kernbergs theories on borderline personality organization and narcissistic pathology
Hartmann’s theory of the adaptive functions of the ego ( ego-psychology )
Masterson’s theory of borderline and narcissistic personality
Klein’s as well as Fairbairn’s Object relations theory
Stolorow’s Intersubjectivity theory
Jacobson’s theoretical work on ego and superego functioning, the processes of identification underlying the development of ego and superego, and the role of the ego and superego in depression.
Alice Miller’s departure from psychoanalysis, charging it with being similar to the poisonous pedagogies.

They found the varying theories on definitions of a self or selves were at odds or elusive. As well as looking into the statistics of patients healed or changed as a result.

So they stopped obsessing with the me myself and my situation; and stopped wasting time and money and figured out as long as they pay their taxes they can just do.


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19/01/2020 2:13 am  
Posted by: @dom

 Autism and aspergers aren't they words that scum use for the spiritually advanced?

"Crystal children, a concept related to indigo children, has been linked by autism researcher Mitzi Waltz to the autistic spectrum. Proponents recategorize autistic symptoms as telepathic powers, and attempt to '[reconceptualize] the autistic traits associated with them as part of a positive identity'. Waltz states that there may be inherent dangers to these beliefs, leading parents to deny the existence of impairments, avoid proven treatments and spend considerable money on unhelpful interventions. Waltz states that 'Parents may also transmit belief systems to the child that are self-aggrandizing, confusing, or potentially frightening'."

What I really love seeing are those articles asking, "Did Einstein have autism?", "Was Hitler autistic?" (they found out Hans Asperger was a Nazi collaborator a little over a year ago), and my personal favorite, "Did Jesus Christ have autism?"

Is it too much to ask? I think we might need a new thread, "Was Aleister Crowley on the Autism Spectrum?"


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19/01/2020 11:12 am  

" I think we might need a new thread, "Was Aleister Crowley on the Autism Spectrum? "

Would the shrinks be financed by the pro Aleister crowley fund or the christian anti Crowley fund ?


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19/01/2020 11:48 am  

Which team has more money and who gets the child ?


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19/01/2020 8:09 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

try AL II:60

It's not yet time to ride a royal ass into Jerusalem.  

There's no hurt to me (II:59) or reason to despise as per germane chestnut Liber XXX:6. Pity the people locked close to those who comfortably exhibit intentional, practiced, vicious behavior. However, helping someone with a condition would be a sympathetic and admirable matter.

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20/01/2020 12:38 am  
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There's no hurt to me

"Let there be no difference made among you between any one thing & any other thing; for thereby there cometh hurt." (I:22)

Posted by: @mal

Pity the people

"[D]amn them who pity ... " (III:18)

Scriptually yours,

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20/01/2020 12:49 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Scriptually yours

Proselytizing?

All questions of the Law are to be decided only by appeal to my writings, each for himself. 

 

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20/01/2020 12:57 am  
Posted by: @mal

Proselytizing?

Simply following your example...

Posted by: @mal

All questions of the Law are to be decided only by appeal to my writings, each for himself. 

As you were saying?

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20/01/2020 1:07 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

that's a bit of a hard and low strike there isn't it

 
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

try AL II:60

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Simply following your example...

You're following your own phantom.

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20/01/2020 1:09 am  
Posted by: @mal

You're following your own phantom.

You're not making any sense.  Maybe somebody else could clarify?

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20/01/2020 1:10 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

You're not making any sense.  Maybe somebody else could clarify?

N Joy

You were being vague. Maybe explaining yourself better will help.

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20/01/2020 1:18 am  
Posted by: @mal

You were being vague. Maybe explaining yourself better will help.

This (and you) are getting extremely boring and I have more productive things to be getting on with.

So goodnight, sleep tight & don't let the bedbugs bite,

N Joy

 


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20/01/2020 1:22 am  
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This (and you) are getting extremely boring and I have more productive things to be getting on with.

So goodnight, sleep tight & don't let the bedbugs bite,

N Joy

You inserted yourself. Fare thee well.

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20/01/2020 2:22 am  
Posted by: @mal

You inserted yourself.

Jamie, why don't you just go insert yourself?

 


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20/01/2020 10:47 am  

An example of wisdom, relevant for us all with respect to quoting 'Scripture[-s]'?!?:

"Unless we listen to the word of God within ourselves, we can make nothing of Scripture … for everything can be decked and defended with texts" (Das verbütschiert mit sieben Siegeln verschlossen Buch (Basel, 1539))." (Source:  https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/franck-sebastian-1499-1542 - - - Humanities > Encyclopedias almanacs transcripts and maps > Franck, Sebastian (1499–1542))


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20/01/2020 6:58 pm  

Das verbütschiert mit sieben Siegeln verschlossen Buch = The prohibition shearing [ "prohibition shearing" = rarefied hairclipping-/-hairsplitting over prohibitions] with seven Seals sealed Book, (a sort of concordance of the Bible with special attention to contradictory parts of the Bible).

 

 

 


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20/01/2020 8:18 pm  
Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

An example of wisdom, relevant for us all with respect to quoting 'Scripture[-s]'?!?:

"Unless we listen to the word of God within ourselves, we can make nothing of Scripture … for everything can be decked and defended with texts"

Reminds me of a quote from one of my favourite movies:

I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is here [mind] and here [heart] and what you decide to do every day will make you a good man...or not.

- The Hospitaller, Kingdom of Heaven

This line helps impart the importance that right action needs to appeal to atheistic conclusions of beneficial action in personal and larger societal setting applicable to uplifting all. Alignment and balance of emotion and thought -an inner peace- when acted upon to goodness will benefit more than oneself or a small group of fanatics.

This is contrasted with the behavior of characters like Guy de Lusignan and Balian's brother towards Balian. It shows how such mindsets revealed in personal settings can undermine health and reinforce diseased thought within their communities. Lusignan's insults towards Balian have various motivations but ultimately comes down to the threat Balian represents to Lusignan's plans so he tries at first to undermine him in social settings but only reveals his own values and standards. Balian makes note of it but doesn't participate on the same level instead taking a philosophical approach in an attempt to uplift Lusignan, even unto the end.

When you rise again - if you rise - rise a knight.

Going back, in the larger setting and the war, as fuel for zealotry, Lusignan and his knights claim to know and be the arbiters of God's will but it's only dressing to advance their own intentions as foreshadowed by the Hospitaller's words.

When having scripture, like 'damn them who pity' or  'strike hard and low', appearing as though thrown as encouragement to be harsh or without compassion in all circumstances it reminds of these fictional examples of zealotry and self-righteousness. Which often when called out is followed up with a deflection like 'it's just a joke', 'get a sense of humour' or 'I was just testing you'.

Fortunately, we are conscious and conscientious beings of will and true self-reflection and humility won't compromise our value as human beings, or weaken our confidence, when there are changes to our personal values and new understanding that come from taken opportunities and necessity.

We hold the Earth fro Hell away. 🌹


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20/01/2020 8:29 pm  
Posted by: @mal

This line helps impart the importance that right action needs to appeal to atheistic conclusions of beneficial action in personal and larger societal setting applicable to uplifting all.

Word-salad gibberish with no actual parsable English-language meaning. Like most of this rather long, and pointless, post

Your "atheistic conclusions" are supported by quoting a fictional Hollywood Christian Crusader knight from a laughably bad, pseudo-history movie?

Towards the end, you revert to your usual passive-aggressive psychobabble snowflake-vocabulary personal attack mode. One gets the impression you regard quoting AL as just mean.

 


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