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23/05/2020 12:46 pm  

Thelemite musician Jaz Coleman said that Live Aid had "a real bad vibe to it" and he has described Geldof as being either a genius or a manipulative psychopath in his (Geldof's) zealous Live Aid projects. 

 

Do you agree or do you think that Geldof's intentions were 'saintly' and noble?   


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23/05/2020 2:45 pm  

I don't think that Sir Bob Geldof is a genius but I think he might be a manipulative psychopath, as Jaz Coleman says.

That is not necessarily a bad thing: manipulative psychopaths are probably good people for getting things done NOW.

In all I don't really like Bob Geldof. I think of him as a very minor musical talent. I can only think of two songs by him that are any good: Sheena Is a Punk Rocker and Rat Trap, and Rat Trap isn't that good, it seems a bit self-consciously "classic".

But I don't think Geldof constructed Live Aid for any reason other than charity. I don't think he made a single penny out of it, nor did he want any personal fame.

He, and his kids, suffered highly turbulent lives owing to Paula's forceful Do What Thou Wilt personal ethos, but AFAICS Bob was totally blameless.

I see that he is now 68 years old and looks roughly twice that, so I wish him all the best.

BTW, I've seen lots of memes recently saying very bad things about Bill Gates. He has also done vast amounts for charities. That old phrase "No good turn goes unpunished" is truer in the Internet age than ever.


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23/05/2020 5:05 pm  
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Do you agree or do you think that Geldof's intentions were 'saintly' and noble?   

And the link to Aleister, thus the association with his presence in these forums, is ... ?

 


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23/05/2020 5:17 pm  
Posted by: @alan_obrien

I don't think that Sir Bob Geldof is a genius but I think he might be a manipulative psychopath, as Jaz Coleman says.

Doesn't the statement say more about Coleman?   Isn't that more like Black calling the Kettle Pot?  Coleman's un Zen-like excessive egotism has a lot to answer for.  

On a similar note here is what Thelemite Motta says about charity per se in his Calling the children of the Sun;

You have been told: Pity the poor, the humble, and the weak. But I tell ye, what right have you to feel pity for the dead, ye who are dead? For if you were olive, you would know that the spirit is eternal, indestructible and divine; that earth may not bury it; that water may not drown it; that air may not blow it; that fire may not burn it; that ether itself, and the other are nothing but wrappings taken by the eternal flame when it lies down and dreams on the lap of Nature.
Therefore the Masters are pitiless and selfish; stamp down those who fall and think only of Themselves; therefore it is written that to make gold, you must have gold to begin with; therefore it is written that to him who has, more shall be added, but to him who has not, even what he has shall be taken from him; and therefore it is also written, in the word of some holy rabbi of old Palestine: Let the dead bury their dead.

 

That is all very well but I think pumping money around can bring people out of the darkness and into the light.  Any idiot can work out that it is in the interest of the corrupt powers who rule The West to keep Africa as an enslaved sick man of the world.  The homegrown fascists posing as socialists who mismanage and mangle Africa are doing such powers a great favour.   Bob kicked against that so in that respect that (using the wack mystical conspiratorial lingo of this forum) makes him a White Lodge Saint as he highlighted the plight of Africa's downtrodden Hell.

 

Having said that, I do think that there was an element of narcissistic 'hey don't forget about me' alpha-male  chest-beating involved though, speaking of which, his friend Bono's self-obsession seems boundless.        

 

I don't think that Sir Bob Geldof is a genius but I think he might be a manipulative psychopath, as Jaz Coleman says.

 

Why psychopath?

 

In all I don't really like Bob Geldof. I think of him as a very minor musical talent. I can only think of two songs by him that are any good: Sheena Is a Punk Rocker and Rat Trap, and Rat Trap isn't that good, it seems a bit self-consciously "classic".

 

Sheena, wasn't that The Ramones?  Yeah Geldof's band were not my cup of tea as far as new-wave pop went I prefer Devo or The Romantics. 

But I don't think Geldof constructed Live Aid for any reason other than charity. I don't think he made a single penny out of it, nor did he want any personal fame.

If Geldof had not been involved in Live Aid he would now be about 70 million dollars poorer. 

 

He, and his kids, suffered highly turbulent lives owing to Paula's forceful Do What Thou Wilt personal ethos, but AFAICS Bob was totally blameless.

Peaches, what a great name for a girl.  Yeah that tragedy is another story maybe.  


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23/05/2020 5:19 pm  
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Posted by: @dom

Do you agree or do you think that Geldof's intentions were 'saintly' and noble?   

And the link to Aleister, thus the association with his presence in these forums, is ... ?

 

Yes, see above we are talking about charity and how it relates to Thelema and Legis.


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23/05/2020 7:44 pm  
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Yes, see above we are talking about charity and how it relates to Thelema and Legis.

I remember her being featured in a previous thread, and daddy was introduced. I believe she killed herself (suicide or overdose?), so further study into the dangers of Crowley's paradigm are warranted. Please ex-curse my interruption.

 


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23/05/2020 8:38 pm  
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Posted by: @dom

Yes, see above we are talking about charity and how it relates to Thelema and Legis.

I remember her being featured in a previous thread, and daddy was introduced. I believe she killed herself (suicide or overdose?), so further study into the dangers of Crowley's paradigm are warranted. Please ex-curse my interruption.

 

Risking a thread derailment here but to respond to you, not really, she was probably as disciplined as the hippies that you knew in the 60s. 


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23/05/2020 9:14 pm  
Posted by: @alan_obrien

"No good turn goes unpunished" is truer in the Internet age than ever.

There is an arcane, occult, and secretly-hidden technique, available to any do-gooder, that guarantees liberation from the karma associated with said acts of kindness and the negative response by the media and other kranks.

I have searched my limbic banks, and I am unable to recall or remember where in the holy hells of youth I came upon this gem. It is a "practice," certainly worthy of Class D Imprimatur by some authority who is not me. I will paraphrase it in the form of a Children's Song; you may pick the tune that it is sung to ...

Make a habit, every day,
to surely go outta your way,
to help another through their day,
of which you will never say
anything

Occult Philanthropy and guarded tax forms would make life much easier for true goodie-two-shoes-type of people.

This technique or practice is for internal, insightful adjustment of karma, and is voided when the philanthropist puts his or her name on a foundation, thus making the ego-image shine brighter, causing the vulgar folk folly to scoop up handfuls of wet mud or rotten eggs.

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Therefore the Masters are pitiless and selfish; stamp down those who fall and think only of Themselves

Yes, in his correspondence with me, circa '88 or '89, he expressed the same sentiment. "We give nothing. We take all."  This is ego-fuelled, Geburah, bullshit.

If he had attained the high-level grade he jump-claimed, he would know that the enforcement of Oaths, and the slaying of high-maintenance candidates, and the retribution against evil sorcerers are all accomplished by "the force" (a term of many implications, with the mysto-magical magician not being required to lift even the littlest finger. Says so in the Crowley Scriptures ... somewhere).

This was Motta's primary outlook on things. Magisters were ego-centered, and everyone around me is plotting my murder. I demand absolute obedience. He wrote these things to me, and to others, and in his books. Such a classical case of paranoid schizophrenia has rarely been floated among us. Such a classical fulfillment of the definition of a black brother has hardly been superseded.

My god! He studied Judo!  Everyone knows that people who study the heath martial arts is insane.

I have the original complete Motta correspondence with myself, furnished to me by Martin P. Starr. I understand there are copies floating around on the wild world web, probably from the same source, so I won't be compiling this evidence for submission in support of my point of view. I also understand that there are Motta fans, and I apologize for disturbing your tranquility.

 


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24/05/2020 6:16 pm  
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If he had attained the high-level grade he jump-claimed, he would know that the enforcement of Oaths, and the slaying of high-maintenance candidates, and the retribution against evil sorcerers are all accomplished by "the force" (a term of many implications, with the mysto-magical magician not being required to lift even the littlest finger. Says so in the Crowley Scriptures ... somewhere).

"... He that riseth up against thee shall be thrown down, though thou raise not so much as thy little finger against him. And he that speaketh evil against thee shall be put to shame, though thy lips utter not the littlest syllable against him. And he that thinketh evil concerning thee shall be confounded in his thought, although in thy mind arise not the least thought of him. And they shall be brought unto subjection unto thee, and serve thee, though thou willest it not. And it shall be unto them a grace and a sacrament, and ye shall all sit down together at the supernal banquet, and ye shall feast upon the honey of the gods, and be drunk upon the dew of immortality — FOR I AM HORUS, THE CROWNED AND CONQUERING CHILD, WHOM THOU KNEWEST NOT!"  (From The Vision and the Voice: The Cry of the First Aethyr Which is Called LIL).

(The above entirely axiomatic with the Principle/s of so-called Blue Magick, of course [q.v.]),

Norma N Joy Conquest

 

 


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24/05/2020 7:17 pm  
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... He that riseth up against thee shall be thrown down, though thou raise not so much as thy little finger against him. And he that speaketh evil against thee shall be put to shame, though thy lips utter not the littlest syllable against him.

Yes, that's the scriptural quote verbatim and is a wholly hole extract of the very thing I have myself read ... in the scriptures. Moreover, I would like to proclaim that this is the proper secret technique for dealing with bad-mouthers, bad-mothers, and trolls ... as opposed to accusing them of conspiracy to murder the guru, and hurling magical curses againt them in order to cause damage or death. See the written histories of the Motta machine in motion.

 


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