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I'm trying to study this ritual. Excuse me if these are really basic questions!

the three points of the base of the triangle are Isis, Hoor-Apep, and Thoth. Up until now, I've sort have been just equating these with Nuit, Hadit, and Heruraha(?). (I've seen Thoth equated with RHK, but doesn't Heruraha make more sense?)

I'm starting to doubt that these associations can really make sense. Because later in the initiation, the candidate would turn and face "Nuit" (had I swapped her out for Isis) and say "...For more than Thou am I!", which is an impossible statement directed at Nuit. But we say that to Isis in the ritual, which is seemingly okay and reasonable.

I guess I don't really understand what Isis and Hoor-Apep really represent in the Thelemic corpus as a whole, and how they differ from the Gods in the BOTL.

Any guidance here is appreciated.

 

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For more than Thou am I!", which is an impossible statement directed at Nuit.

No, this is not impossible. Nuit is a name, with certain concepts (such as infinite space) attached. There are states that transcend any concepts, or names.

 


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I've sort have been just equating these with Nuit, Hadit, and Heruraha(?). (I've seen Thoth equated with RHK, but doesn't Heruraha make more sense?)

The deities are specific. You are changing the identities of the rite, even if it's just in your mind. Thoth happens to be one dude who is not easily made equivalent to others - except for mercury, hermes, odin, who is just him under foreign lingo distortion. Like "Thoth," which was not his name, but we use it.

His proper attribution is Chokmah. With Amoun, Jupiter, Zeus, and Olympus being the "King of the gods and the hill," where does this leave Chesed in relation to Chokmah?.Well, yes, see the Hierophant for sure. Thoth is The Deep State behind the politics of Chesed.

I encourage you to build your own rites of self-initiation. I encourage you (anyone) to do a thorough banishing and the Invocation of Thoth before consuming the strongest, legal libation available in your jurisdiction, before commencing your rite. I have done this, so I get to say these things.

I encourage you (anyone) to take Pyramidos and modify it, like I did (see the video - it's a short one).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E92FepmxYDc

I encourage you (anyone) to take the unbalanced Star Ruby, which is Greek foreign lingo and unbalanced to boot, and balance it, like I did (see the video - it's also short).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W65MR99Pe-A

But in your case, cited above, your are trying to superimpose one pantheon upon another, and some things work out, but others don't. This is probably because the designated deities are who they are, and not another. In my little video, we see the initiator opening the temple. The candidate comes along later, and he gets put through all kinds of adventures. At the end, he is seen closing the temple with the same rhetoric the initiator used.

You will note that the initiator addresses Isis and says, "I put on the sweet and something girdle of Nuit." So Nuit is already involved, and the initiator assumes the Nuit position.

I am telling it like we did it, for 20 years. Initiator face-to-face with the Candidate. After the initiator built the pyramid. Then the candidate is suitably tortured by Set, led to the Grand Gallery, then up to the Queens chamber where the initiator (his HGA) turns on the Light and sings the Word. Then up to the Kings chamber for a date in the sarco with Hadit. If it were a solo rite, the candidate would play all the parts, including his HGA, which is why the strongest legal libation is recommended. This stuff (the rite) is real. But it moves so slow in the time-space continuum, and we don't have much time left, so acceleration is auspicious.

If I remember correctly, Anubis is around somewhere. Oh yeah, the candidate is going though the OSIRIS rite, the "old aeon" stuff, overshadowed and energized by Nuit and Hadit, and Ra-Hoor is right there in the basic triad of opening and closing.

You can leave Heru-ra-ha out for now. He comes up in some later rite. This was is for Malkuth, and the candidate has to go through the old Osirian resurrection in order to get his next level up and resurrected. That would be the astral body. It gets to go through the Tuat before it rises up, Horus-like, to become Ra (or Ra-hoor, if you will). The subtitle of the Passing through the Tuat, Am-Tuat, is "wherein Asar becomes Ra." So you can expect to get in touch with Heru-Ra-Ha, the Inner Triad, when Ra's bark, carrying Asar, rises out of the other end of the tunnel of the Tuat, which is located as a hole in the wall at Paroketh.

The attributions in Pyramidos are just fine for what they are intended to portray. I encourage you to try any and all substitutions to your heart's content, but try to remember that often quoted olde adage we utter around here, you know, the about about confusing the planes. Don't.

It's too late here to proofread this revelation of the mysteries, but I scanned it for underlined in red words anf found one. But my vision is mis-tuned for red, so I might have missed anything. If the grammer is compunded or confounded, let me know. Otherwise I am off to the evening shutdown ritual ...


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(I've seen Thoth equated with RHK, but doesn't Heruraha make more sense?)

I'm not quite clear on what particular basis more than anything else it would "make more sense", but apart from that I would instinctively intuit the answer as no, since HPK/Hoor-pa-kraat is magically inert (like the so-called "noble" gases on the extreme right hand column of the periodic table).  Although one "half of the word of Heru-ra-ha" (according to AL III:35 but mentioned nowhere else), RHK is the only one of the two twinned divinities who/which would be magically viable (unless one were to count the invocation of silence itself as being rather more 'magical' than mystical).

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@jamiejbarter - I thought about it some more, and nvm RHK makes more sense.

 

@shiva - thanks for those explanations. So I went ahead and did it a few times using the original God names, and I'm starting to better understand the role of Asi/Hoor-Apep. I have some questions about Tahuti - here is what I've gathered so far:

We hail Tahuti as the lord of speech and silence (stilled & stirred). He issues forth the speech from the silence at the beginning. He is perfectly balanced in the light & in the night. He partakes in the nature of Asi & Hoor-apep who are all silence & all speech, and has balanced these within himself.

So far he sounds like a good stand-in for "myself-made-perfect" - who I could be if I could just attain K&C and do my Will. The HGA is presumably represented by Iota above me.

Is my understanding correct? I'm used to Tahuti being considered the God of speech. He's attributed to Chokmah like you said. But here, he sounds like much more than that. He's being called the God of Speech & Silence. How do I untangle this?

 


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He is perfectly balanced in the light & in the night.

Right. Light & Night = Gray = Chokmah.

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But here, he sounds like much more than that

Do the Invocation of Thoth a hundred times. Or maybe just read it carefully once. You don't even have to go look it up. Here's my (text preserved intact) version, if you want a free ride ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWKjsfVZM_4

 

 


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