How does Thelemic Practice and discovery of True Will relate to Dr Leary's 8 brain-circuit-trigger model of evolution" for modern WoMan?
I have quoted extensively from the wikipedia for convenience's sake for those who have not heard of the 8 brain model. The quote is well worth a read. Bear in mind there is very strong argument to hold Dr Leary as the heir of Crowley.
What interests me is that, in terms of discovering True Will it would appear at first glance that this is a description of the opening and maintaining of circuit 5 the first E.T. circuit; the neurosomatic brain. What do you think? If your answer is yes then what about further evolution i..e opening the rest of the E.T. circuits? See the excerpt later about Crowley being a victim of his time.
It would appear that basic Thelemic Practice such as Resh or The Middle Pillar are a self-training in the transcendence of compulsive dualisms inherent in the first four circuits; either-or. To be more specific, Resh lifts consciousness out of terrestrial preoccupations and meditation stills the flight-fight terrestrial compulsions and slows down circuit three babbling. The LRBP is a step by step acknowledgement that the inner-reptile can only react either back or forth and the inner- primate. either up or down. The 6 rayed star macrocosm then (and visualization of the 4 "archangels") is representing the alignment with the E.T. spaced out circuits bringing neurosomatic feedback. The Middle Pillar exercise, likewise, imbues the integration of the "mystic/spaced out" black pillar of severity and it's opposite, the white pillar of mercy, into consciousness again as an attempt to integrate terrestrial dualisms which are the source of all stress, emotional turmoil and depression. The Star Ruby does likewise.
What is the point of divination in terms of opening the higher circuits? Where does invocation practice come into this? It's easy to glean how Jugorum provides for a more direct access to circuit 5.
Also, as you can see, Leary held, that chemicals trigger the opening of these circuits. Well, this is probably why he wasn't known for magickal practice. He did, however do a lot of yoga, smoked a lot of weed and ingested a lot of psychedelics.
Also, bear in mind that at the crux of Leary's model is the notion that DNA itself had a plan (millions of years ago), to seed on this planet, to emerge from the oceans onto land and ultimately, to leave the planet and function in space stations. This is why we have these 8 evolutionary circuits.
In Leary's The game of life there is a chapter on the limitations of Crowley. He summarizes Crowley as "a brain all dressed up with nowhere to go". Here is an excerpt;
Both Crowley and Gurdjieff were Masters of Circuit 5 which was the highest point
of consciousness and intelligence possible before the Einsteinian era. Both were also
sporadically capable of profound precognitive visions of Circuit VI and higher.
Toward the end of their lives both men lost their baraka; their nervous systems no
longer operating as receivers and transmitters of high-energy, new knowledge. There is
a certain poignancy in their histories. The lives of both men ended exactly at the time
when the discoveries of electronic-atomic-nuclear energies made possible biological
longevity and migration from the planet and when the time-dilation implications of
accelerated motion were made known. Before the possibility of space-migration there
was no apparent point in human life and planetary existence. What could Crowley or
Gurdjieff do with the neurosomatic energies they released? Teach others? Play with
erotic and interpersonal power? Entertain? Get involved in all-out risky events that
challenged their expanded energies? Shock the mundane? Pass on the primitive
version of the message?
Gurdjieff did see clearly the galactic step which awaited humanity. Beelzebub's
Tales to His Grandson^ is one of the great larval time-scripts...............................................
The evolutionary process moves or freezes. Aleister Crowley represents human
intelligence at its transition point. The rapturous body, floating detached from
terrestrial-life lines, all wired up and nowhere to go. As he got older, he increasingly
amused himself with childish jokes, playing on the "Black Magick" and "Satanist"
image given to him by vulgar tabloids. Funny, frivolous, futile.
Crowley understood the interstellar goal of human evolution and was bitterly
aware of his imprisonment on the planet. Gravity and the inability of current
technology to reach escape velocity kept him from breaking out. The first four lines of
The Book of the Law file his appeal for release from the custody of gravity:
"1. Had! The manifestation of Nuit.
2. The unveiling of the company of heaven.
3. Every man and every woman is a star.
4. Help me, o warrior lord of Thebes, in my unveiling before the Children of
Men!"
And throughout the Book of the Law runs the refrain of Nuit, the star-goddess,
who represents galactic intelligence in Crowley's symbology, and who continually
calls us home:
"Come forth, O children, under the stars and take your fill of love." . . .
"I am above you and in you." . . .
"They shall gather my children into their fold; they shall bring the glory of the
stars into the hearts of men." . . .
"Invoke me under my stars! Love is the law, love under will." . . .
"I love you! I learn to you! ... Put on the wings and arouse the coiled splendor
within you: come unto me!"
"To me! To me! ... I am the naked brilliance of the voluptuous night sky. To me!
To me!"
For those who don't know, here is a summary of Dr Leary's 8 circuit-brain-trigger model as quoted from the wiki. For more info I suggest you download for free, or buy a copy of Leary's "The game of life" and his early psychedelic analysis, "The seven tongues of God". I also strongly recommend Dr Robert Anton Wilson's "Cosmic Trigger".
1. The oral biosurvival circuit[edit]
This circuit is concerned with nourishment, physical safety, comfort and survival, suckling, cuddling etc.
This circuit is activated in adults by opioids such as morphine and heroin. This circuit begins with 1 spatial dimension, forward/back.
This circuit is imprinted early in infancy. The imprint will normally last for life, unless it is re-imprinted by a powerful experience. Depending on the nature of the imprint, the organism will tend towards one of two basic attitudes:
A positive imprint sets up a basic attitude of trust. The organism generally considers the environment benign and accepts and approaches. This is equivalent to a default life position of 'you're ok' in the 'life positions' model of Transactional analysis.
A negative imprint sets up a basic attitude of suspicion. The organism generally regards the environment as hostile and flees and avoids. This is equivalent to a default life position of 'you're not ok' in the 'life positions' model of Transactional analysis.
This circuit is said to have appeared in the earliest evolution of the invertebrate brain and corresponds to the reptilian brain of triune brain theory. This circuit operates in essentially the same way across mammals, reptiles, fish, primates and humans.
Robert Anton Wilson equated this circuit with the oral stage in the Freudian theory of psychosexual development.
2. The emotional–territorial circuit[edit]
The emotional-territorial circuit is imprinted in the toddler stage. It is concerned with domination and submission, territoriality etc.
The imprint on this circuit will trigger one of two states:
Dominant, aggressive behavior. This imprint creates an 'alpha' social attitude. Equivalent to the 'top dog' position in the model of Fritz Perls, to 'I'm OK' in the 'life positions' model of Transactional analysis, and to master morality in the model of Friedrich Nietzsche.[1]
Submissive, co-operative behavior. Equivalent to the 'bottom dog' position in the model of Fritz Perls, to 'I'm not OK' in the life positions model and to Nietzsche-an 'slave morality'.
This circuit is activated by depressant drugs such as alcohol, barbiturates, and benzodiazepines. This circuit appeared first in territorial vertebrate animals and is preserved across all mammals. It corresponds to the mammalian brain of triune brain theory. Robert Anton Wilson equated this circuit with the anal stage in the Freudian theory of psycho-sexual development. This circuit introduces a 2nd spatial dimension; up/down.
The first and second circuits both imprint in a binary fashion: trust/suspicion and dominance/submission.[2] Thus there are four possible ways of imprinting the first two circuits:
Trusting 1st circuit and dominant 2nd circuit. I'm OK; you're OK. Friendly strength in the Interpersonal Circumplex. Fire in the four elements model.[3] Sanguinary in the four humors model.[4]
Trusting 1st circuit and submissive 2nd circuit. I'm not OK; you're OK. Friendly weakness. Water in the four elements model. Phlegmatic humor.
Suspicious 1st circuit and dominant 2nd circuit. I'm OK; you're not OK. Unfriendly strength. Air in the four elements model. Bilious humor.
Suspicious 1st circuit and submissive 2nd circuit. I'm not OK; you're not OK. Unfriendly weakness. Earth in the four elements model. Choleric humor.
3. The symbolic or neurosemantic–dexterity circuit[edit]
This circuit is imprinted by human symbol systems. It is concerned with language, handling the environment, invention, calculation, prediction, building a mental "map" of the universe, physical dexterity, etc.
This circuit is activated by stimulant drugs such as amphetamines, cathinones, cocaine, and caffeine. This circuit supposedly appeared first when hominids started differentiating from the rest of the primates.
Robert Anton Wilson, being heavily influenced by General Semantics, writes of this circuit as the 'time-binding circuit'. This means that this circuit's contents – including human know-how, technology, science etc. - are preserved memetically and passed on from generation to generation, constantly mutating and increasing in sophistication.
4. The domestic or socio-sexual circuit[edit]
This fourth circuit is imprinted by the first orgasm-mating experiences and tribal "morals". It is concerned with sexual pleasure (instead of sexual reproduction), local definitions of "moral" and "immoral", reproduction, rearing of the young, etc. The fourth circuit concerns itself with cultural values and operating within social networks. This circuit is said to have first appeared with the development of tribes. Leary never associated a drug with it, but some have pointed out that entactogens such as MDMA seem to meet some of the requirements needed to activate this circuit.
5. The neurosomatic circuit[edit]
This is concerned with neurological-somatic feedbacks, feeling high and blissful, somatic reprogramming, etc. It may be called the rapture circuit.[5]
When this circuit is activated, a non-conceptual feeling of well-being arises. This has a beneficial effect on the health of the physical body.[6]
The fifth circuit is consciousness of the body. There is a marked shift from linear visual space to an all-encompassing aesthetic sensory space. Perceptions are judged not so much for their meaning and utility, but for their aesthetic qualities.[7] Experience of this circuit often accompanies an hedonistic turn-on, a rapturous amusement, a detachment from the previously compulsive mechanism of the first four circuits.
This circuit is activated by ecstatic experiences via physiological effects of cannabis, Hatha Yoga, tantra and Zen meditation. Robert Anton Wilson writes, "Tantra yoga is concerned with shifting consciousness entirely into this circuit"[8] and that "Prolonged sexual play without orgasm always triggers some Circuit V consciousness".[9]
Leary describes that this circuit first appeared in the upper classes, with the development of leisure-class civilizations around 2000 BC.
6. The neuroelectric or metaprogramming circuit[edit]
Note: Timothy Leary lists this circuit as the sixth, and the neurogenetic circuit as the seventh.[10] Robert Anton Wilson reverses the order of these two circuits,[11] so that the neurogenetic circuit is the sixth and the metaprogramming circuit is the seventh.
This circuit is concerned with re-imprinting and re-programming all earlier circuits and the relativity of “realities” perceived. The sixth circuit consists of the nervous system becoming aware of itself. Leary says this circuit enables telepathic communication and is activated by low-to-moderate doses of LSD (50-150 µg), moderate doses of peyote, and psilocybin mushrooms. This circuit is traced by Leary back to 500 BC.
7. The neurogenetic or morphogenetic circuit[edit]
This circuit is the connection of the individual's mind to the whole sweep of evolution and life as a whole. It is the part of consciousness that echoes the experiences of the previous generations that have brought the individual's brain-mind to its present level.
It deals with ancestral, societal and scientific DNA-RNA-brain feedbacks. Those who achieve this mutation may speak of past lives, reincarnation, immortality etc.[12] It corresponds to the collective unconscious in the models of Carl Jung[13] where archetypes reside.
Activation of this circuit may be equated with consciousness of the Great God Pan in his aspect as Life as a whole, or with consciousness of Gaia, the biosphere considered as a single organism.[14]
This circuit is activated by regular doses of LSD (200-500 µg), higher doses of peyote, higher doses of psilocybin mushrooms, yoga and meditation.
The circuit first appeared among the Hindus in the early first millennium and later reappeared among the Sufi sects.
8. The psychoatomic or quantum non-local circuit (Overmind)[edit]
The eighth circuit is concerned with quantum consciousness, non-local awareness (information from beyond ordinary space-time awareness which is limited by the speed of light), illumination. Some of the ways this circuit can get activated are: the awakening of kundalini, shock, a near-death experience, etc. This circuit has even been compared to the Buddhist concept of Indra's net from the Avatamsaka Sutra. Leary felt this circuit could be activated by DMT, high doses of LSD (1,000+ µg), and high but sub-anesthetic doses of ketamine.
Leary's formulation[edit]
Although Leary propounded the basic premise of eight "brains" or brain circuits, he was inspired by sources such as the Hindu chakra system.
His most direct inspiration was received in the form of a document from a student of yoga, a pamphlet containing 24 different pages, with three-page subdivisions each corresponding to a particular yogic "energy".[15] Leary then translated this and expanded it into a 24-stage model of evolution, and eventually streamlined it into the eight-circuit model of consciousness. With this, Leary created his umbrella model which others have expanded on.
I hope you don't mind me putting this in it's appropriate place.
True Will as predisposed DNA directive? I'd say that anti-social behaviour and "drunkards" who are "hopeless" are following mammalian tunnel realities and are therefore failing to follow evolution as they are failing to meta-program. You're wrong on this.
And I agree with all of this. The point I was making earlier in the thread -- to repeat it for those dense enough to have missed it -- is that there's no reason to think that mystical states give a person a more accurate view of reality. [I'm including drug trips under "mystical states"]
Mystic states provide a different view of reality, and they help the individual see the world in new and unusual ways (not necessarily more accurate ways). It's the seeing of the world in different ways that aids creativity and can give a person the different perspective that can be useful for discovering the True Will. And it's especially the training that leads to these states that is useful for these same purposes (not necessarily the states themselves at all).
The problem occurs when people insist on taking these alternate ways of perceiving as more accurate or "more real" than their usual way of perceiving. They're not -- or, to be very technical, there's no reason to suppose that they are.
And yes, there are a few comments where Crowley suggests that Dhyana is "more real" than our usual perceptions of reality...to the extent that Crowley can be seen as making an actual claim there (and not just describing how the experience feels), I disagree with him on that point.
You seem to be viewing one reality i.e. the linear, reptilian mammalian one which we derive from our archaic ancestry millions of years ago. In short a left-lobe Newtonian reality. The point of Leary's model is that there are many realities which define "reality" as plural, not singular i.e. multi--dimensional and relativistic.
"Crowley points out that ....these trances (are).. invaluable for developing the character".
What is "character"?
Do you actually fully read people’s replies to you, david? Or do you just prefer to watch youtube & view Wikiporridge? I ask, because one of the passages I fed to you as it stands bore out one of your main propositions in the “Troll” thread, that Leary was non-mystical and a-theistic (at least in the later aspects of his incarnation):
[There] was evidence of an increasing atheism in Leary’s philosophy. For Tim, the brain and nervous system were everything. He had no time for calls to any form of divinity beyond it. This is clearly illustrated in the addition of an eighth level to his consciousness levels mindmap, a system that now became known as the Eight Circuit Theory. People such as Brian Barritt believed that beyond the seventh level was a profound experience that stripped you of your identity and merged you with some divine other, a ‘White Light’ or ‘Godhead’ that is familiar from most religious teachings. What Tim was doing with his eighth level was effectively reclaiming this experience as a product of the nervous system, describing it as some barely imaginable shift of consciousness to an atomic level, and thus denying the need for any form of external divinity. Effectively, he was claiming personal ownership of God. This had the pleasing effect of balancing out the eight-circuit model more symmetrically, allowing him to describe the higher four levels as enlightened versions of the lower four. He would also link the first four to the left hemisphere of the brain and the second four to the right.
("I Have America Surrounded – The Life of Timothy Leary” by John Higgs [Friday books: 2006], p. 252)[/align:2jgjxati]
and yet you don’t seem to desire to pursue that particular angle any more. Well that’s your choice on the matter I suppose – you do seem to have taken on rather a lot of fish to fry at the moment!
And there’s still the “less scientific”, Brian Barritt angle on the matter (the 8-Fold Circuit), of course. Talking of which, after “searching” on Lashtal unless I'm mistaken there hardly seems to be anything on him – two mentions in twenty years?! – which strikes me as rather surprising since he was an “occultist” with an inventive technique & approach closely resembling Spare’s. Can it be that he is so little well known? As I remarked, his overall degree of “unstraightness” was to such a degree that he manages to make Timothy Leary come across like Ronald Reagan! (I confess: I’m rather pleased with that analogy, even if I do say so myself ;D)
Also, I take issue with this particular interpretation:
Both Crowley and Gurdjieff were Masters of Circuit 5 which was the highest point of consciousness and intelligence possible before the Einsteinian era. [...]
Why do you consider that (their) limitation to Circuit 5 would be boundaried by the time aspect (prior to the conception of the Theory of Relativity, 1904-905) here?
What is "character"?
I presume you are asking Los this question here, since he brought the word up. Yes, what is "character" here? I am sure we are all awaiting his answer with much looking-forward-to-ness. ::)
N Joy
[There] was evidence of an increasing atheism in Leary’s philosophy.
Yes I knew that all along. As I said he was a scientist even though a lot of his trips were recreational, enough trips were subject to rigorous study and the results fed his literary output which read like scientific manuals. Go forth and read them.
The general gist is it's a cultural issue and we are all part of a culture which affects us deeply. He's saying that Crowley was limited and he lost his purpose near the end of his life.
Actually the question has been answered previously, I now recall. Character is a capacity for general problem-solving. I can't argue with that as it means that the higher experiences feedback into the lower four circuits
and force improvements to their functioning, including grammar-ability. Lol
For more on Crowley's uselessness go here www.deoxy.org/8_larvals.htm it's about science, space technology and extra terrestrial migration.
Sorry to hear that this may be the last of you, david, now that you have reached this conclusion that AC is "useless", and are ready to "SMI[sup:3dat5leo]2[/sup:3dat5leo]LE" with Dr Tim. "SMI[sup:3dat5leo]2[/sup:3dat5leo]LE" is of course "Space Migration, Increased Intelligence, Life Extension", for any cowans or squares in the house.
What has led to your recent utter apostasy from your former "skeptical" views (in terms of either AC's "Scientific Illuminism"/Pyrrhonic Skepticism, or the more recent "Amazing Randi"-style "Thelemic skepticism", senses of the word)?
Leary's post-1973 ultra-loopy "humanity is genetically programmed for space migration because a comet told me our planet is dying", pro-"outer space migration via starships" phase (the part of his work you seem to have latched onto, rather than the (much better) work before he was first imprisoned) is not remotely compatible with "skepticism" in any possible sense of that word, what with all the group-telepathy transmissions from the comet Kouhoutek (a very big deal in 1973 (at least among folks susceptible to such transmissions), but not so much in 1974, and after (among anyone)).
Of course Leary's earlier work wasn't compatible with "Thelemic skepticism" either, what with all the "theism", which, as i recall, is how we got started on Dr Tim in the "Troll" thread in the first place.
Regardless of the reasons for your recent dramatic change of mind, you may not want to throw out the Pyrrhonic baby with the "Amazing Randi" bathwater?
Amazingly I seem to be more knowledgable on Dr RAWilson and Dr Leary than thou. You think SMI2LE is loopy? Wow. You don't get it.
Crowley wasn't useless in terms of intelligence increase. Ultimately the brutal truth is he was not a child of the computer-colonization of space age hence "uselessness". He even admitted it.
Crowley wasn't useless in terms of intelligence increase. Ultimately the brutal truth is he was not a child of the computer-colonization of space age hence "uselessness". He even admitted it.
So few who died in 1947 were "child[ren] of the computer-colonization of space age", I fear.
I wonder how AC might have "admitted" not being a "child" of things not yet imagined at the time of his death?
Are all of us now living equally "useless", since "computer-colonization of space" is as much a fantasy as it was in 1973, when Leary was told it (by telepathy from the comet Kouhoutek) that "SMI[sup:37s7z949]2[/sup:37s7z949]LE" was the only solution to humanity's impending doom (which has failed to impend in the ensuing 42 years)?
What are your current space-migration plans?
Re use of pronoun "thou": Friend?
Ignant, go read about yourself here; www.deoxy.org/8_larvals.htm
Straight from Dr Tim's mouth.
Good golly gosh! I invoke the Dread Notarikon of Protection: "Whiskey! Tango! Foxtrot!"
See my recent advice in the "Troll" thread about how to protect yourself from "pre-larvals", now that you have "molted"; and check out David Icke- sure to be your next hero.
A note for terrestrials: david has now left the "skeptical", and Thelemic, buildings, for cloud-cuckoo-land.
I guess he is not a Quaker (use of "thou") after all.
When I say uselessness I mean Leary is saying that AC felt "useless" because...well.....read it for yourself. I do NOT think AC was useless, of course and neither did Dr Leary. Thelema regenerates the human species. He did think that AC was a visionary and he "believed " he was Crowley's heir. You know all this. Are you, Ignant one of these "hippy rednecks" that DR Leary discusses in that essay? I'd say space migration is on the agenda for future generations. Hhaha admittedly that does sound wacky but...
How's your sense of history? Are you aware how utterly and radically different the 20th century was compared to previous ones?
There's only one reality. That's why we call it reality.
Perhaps you're trying to describe different interpretations of reality?
Perhaps you're trying to describe different interpretations of reality?
Yes, of course.
No we are the post 1969 species. It's the space age, yeah there have been setbacks. Read up on what AC said in his published diaries about colonizing Venus. I know it sounds laughable but the point is you are not confronting evolutionary facts imo. Do you accept that we are here because of pre-historic single-cell oceanic life forms?
From www.deoxy.org/8_larvals.htm
Five-brained persons flopping around sporadically detached from mundane imprints, lacking a vocabulary and a methedology for extra-terrestrial movement, fall back on larval concepts of transcendence. Caterpillar fantasies about what post-larval life will be like.
A warning is in order. Many five-brained Hippies and Yogis are the most vehement opponents of extra-terrestrial evolution. They use three bland sets of criteria to resist practical plans for interstellar migration:
Look within. Astral travel, passive changing of consciousness will transport us to the promised land.
Return to nature. Back to the paleolithic! Simplify, avoid technology, stalk the wild asparagus, rely on body wisdom, organic purity, sensory pleasure.
All is one. The cosmos is a homogenous mist of flavorless cotton-candy. Exo-psychology and neurogenetics are attacked as unnatural, elitist attempts to differentiate the vanilla-pudding unity of simplistic Hinduism, Buddhism, u.s.w.
Underlying all three of these occult postures is a revulsion against science, technology, evolution and intellectual competence. Implicit in the occultist theory is the assumption that there is nothing left to learn except to rote-memorize some Hindu chants, to rote-recite some glib theosophical dogmas, to quiet the restless inquiring mind.
The three stages of the neurosomatic circuit - 13. Hippy, 14. Yogi, 15. Tantric - are body-oriented and involve a deliberate symbol-stupidity. It is understandable that the five-brained person reacts against the insectoid-cyborg materialism of larval technology, the scientism that produces plastic consumerism, military-industrialism, assembly-line anonomie, and polluted over-population. But the rejection of scientific inquiry becomes a know-nothing smugness. Occultists become long-haired rednecks.
The evidence from astronomy, bio-chemistry, genetics, nuclear-physics, defines the true frontier of philosophy and religion. Scientific American is more "far-out" than any occult magazine, the Periodic Table of Elements more prophetic than the Tarot deck. The nucleus of the atom is a realm more mysterious and omnicient than any theological fantasy. The cosmology of an expanding-universe-riddled-with-Black-Holes more bizarre than the eschatologies of Dante, Homer and Ramayana.
Despite this noble rejection of the artificial, the Hippie-Yogi-Tantric establishment is an entrenched, self-indulgent block to evolution - a transitional stage preparatory to planetary migration.
We see the limitations of neurosomatic contelligence most clearly in the teachings of don Juan. Castaneda's warrior-sorcerers are admirable in their dignified, humorous, disciplined attempts to retract social imprints. Don Juan has worked out an accurate, metaphorical neurologic. He precisely defines the larval-imprint reality-island (tonal) and the direct experience of the nagual.
But don Juan's philosophy is pessimistic: "There are no survivors on this earth." It fails to evolve to Stage 15 neurosomatic linkage: "And then I was alone," is the bleak conclusion.
The first post-Hiroshima generation was truly a lost generation. Liberated from yokel imprints but with no place to go beyond body geography. The cynicism and malaise of the 1970's is the result of this disillusion.
For these reasons the exo-psychologist must speak with caution in communicating with the members of the "Woodstock" generation. They have imprinted their bodies but are too old and set in their ways (at age 25-35) [when this was written] to receive the neurophysical signals for extra-terrestrial migration.
. . .
This [information] is not for Every Body. The human species is now at a point of genetic fission. Assume that ninety-three percent of the species is going to adapt to life on the planet. Ecology is the seductive dinosaur science that will lead most of the post-human species to conform to terrestrial conditions, become reasonably comfortable, passive, robot-conditioned cyborg insectoids directed by centralized (ABC, NBC, CIA, CNN, MAO, KGB) broadcasting systems. For terrestrial readers this manual outlines the neurological steps necessary to adapt harmoniously to hedonic, five-brained cyborg existence.
This transmission flashes a different signal for the seven percent who we assume are DNA-designed to attain biological immortality, leave the womb-planet, become galactic citizens and fuse with superior interstellar entities.
This manual is not designed for conventional author-reader games.
It is a signal for mutation.
no surprise that the good doctor was so interested in getting off the planet. he was probably worried that the Weathermen he fingered for the FBI back in '74 were planning to wack him
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/turn-tune-rat-out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUusX1Js6R0
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAA Fishy fishy fishy!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/turn-tune-rat-out
Ah, well you'd have to take this to the Thelema moral nihilism thread, maybe. Newton, when in charge of the Royal Mint, happily sent men to the gallows who were in debt. A lot of Nazi rocket scientists used slave labour. I'm talking about scientific ideas, not looking for hero-worship.
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAA Fishy fishy fishy!
You're using Sesame Street to make a point? The meltdown continues I guess. Try to stay in touch with the OP if you could.
Dr RAWilson discusses the cabbalistic meaning of 418 in Cosmic Trigger i.e. completion of the Great Work the mass illumination of the human species. I suppose SMI2LE is a summation of that; all doing their True Will in accord with the genetic plan.
This [information] is not for Every Body. The human species is now at a point of genetic fission. Assume that ninety-three percent of the species is going to adapt to life on the planet. Ecology is the seductive dinosaur science that will lead most of the post-human species to conform to terrestrial conditions, become reasonably comfortable, passive, robot-conditioned cyborg insectoids directed by centralized (ABC, NBC, CIA, CNN, MAO, KGB) broadcasting systems.
You are talking if this thing has not already happened. For a true magus these people are nothing short of (blind) elementals and can all be classified in the tarot as system of personalities represented by the 16 court cards.
For terrestrial readers this manual outlines the neurological steps necessary to adapt harmoniously to hedonic, five-brained cyborg existence.
It certainly is nothing like hedonistic or cyborg if the mass-initiation for whole of humanity is to be regarded as step 5°=7□
Hierarchy will be established, but it will be like that of Nature under the formula of ALIM/ALHIM.
This transmission flashes a different signal for the seven percent who we assume are DNA-designed to attain biological immortality, leave the womb-planet, become galactic citizens and fuse with superior interstellar entities.
The problem is that you are waiting for some Zero Day when the big rocket launches and the holy chosen ones leave all this Shit behind. It ain't gonna happen.
Titans (Representing the Primordial Tradition) were bound inside the earth. They are being imprisoned in tartarus or under earth's crust. Some of the psychedelic plants are simply way for the mineral kingdom to communicate with us. Then there's the fungi that is pretty much the man in the middle.
http://rt.com/news/273019-gian-hole-crater-siberia/
Beep! Beep! The transmission is On. Oh my god they are already here!!!
That cult would never die till the stars came right again, and the secret priests would take great Cthulhu from His tomb to revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth. The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom. Meanwhile the cult, by appropriate rites, must keep alive the memory of those ancient ways and shadow forth the prophecy of their return.
all doing their True Will in accord with the genetic plan.
all - or just the chosen seven percent?
So now True Will is synonymous with DNA? Is that the Thought for the Day?
I believe that I was the person who introduced that concept. But He told me "You are wrong."
So I guess I'm lonely and lost in a dark place 😉
I believe that I was the person who introduced that concept. But He told me "You are wrong."
So I guess I'm lonely and lost in a dark place 😉
My reply #147 actually said
Reply #6 by david on: July 11, 2015, 06:19:35 pm:
Quote from: jamie barter on July 11, 2015, 04:33:36 pm:
“Why do you consider that (Gurdjieff and Crowley’s) limitation to Circuit 5 would be boundaried by the time aspect (prior to the conception of the Theory of Relativity, 1904-905) here?”The general gist is it's a cultural issue and we are all part of a culture which affects us deeply. He's saying that Crowley was limited and he lost his purpose near the end of his life.
It's strange then that from your quote in Reply #1, Wilson (I presume – as usual you fail to cite references properly) somewhat contradicts this limitation to "the Einsteinian era" with:
6. The neuroelectric or metaprogramming circuit[edit]
This circuit is concerned with re-imprinting and re-programming all earlier circuits and the relativity of “realities” perceived. The sixth circuit consists of the nervous system becoming aware of itself. Leary says this circuit enables telepathic communication and is activated by low-to-moderate doses of LSD (50-150 µg), moderate doses of peyote, and psilocybin mushrooms. This circuit is traced by Leary back to 500 BC.
Apparently LSD is not the only psychoactive agent responsible for access to these higher levels. But there seems to be an implication that anyone taking peyote and other consciousness-altering ethnobotanicals (including ergot presumably) would not be able to do this until 1904-5; nor do I see how it is that just culture can affect/ restrict things in this way?
Reply #7 by david on: July 11, 2015, 07:23:45 pm:
Quote from: david on July 11, 2015, 06:19:35 pm:
“I presume you are asking Los this question here, since he brought the word up. Yes, what is "character" here? I am sure we are all awaiting his answer with much looking-forward-to-ness.”Actually the question has been answered previously, I now recall. Character is a capacity for general problem-solving.
I’m sure there’s a little bit more to it than that and oh I was so looking forward to reading Los’s own special semantic explanation of the word too :-[
Perhaps you're trying to describe different interpretations of reality?
Yes, of course.
As I was saying, of semantics... “Well, that's you told then!” ! 😀
For these reasons the exo-psychologist must speak with caution in communicating with the members of the "Woodstock" generation. They have imprinted their bodies but are too old and set in their ways (at age 25-35) [when this was written] to receive the neurophysical signals for extra-terrestrial migration. [...]
Is your position that anyone over 25-35 is “stuck” and are incapable of future advancement along the lines laid down, or would at least find it very difficult to advance in the same way as those beneath that age in this incarnation? I feel as if I may as well join ignant666 & all the other middle-aged liberated yokels/ redneck hippies & crank up the old Sweet Home Alabamy on the victrola. Incidentally, how old did you say you were again david?
Isn’t that what your ‘guru’ sometimes does with The Simpsons though? ??? What’s the difference here? Aren't you displaying a bit of ‘highbrow’ intellectual snobbery towards the ‘lowbrow’?
"Good grief!" (that's after Charlie Brown)
N Joy
But I am the "authentic source." That is, Leary, Crowley, Wilson are all dead. I am still alive. Since I am "decent enough," then I insist on being authentic as well 😀
True Will as predisposed DNA directive? I'd say that anti-social behaviour and "drunkards" who are "hopeless" are following mammalian tunnel realities and are therefore failing to follow evolution as they are failing to meta-program. You're wrong on this.
Well, at least I'm wrong on something, thank the divine dudes and dames ;D
Most "drunkards" are pre-disposed to alcohol addiction. It's a genetic thing. Of course they are "failing to meta-program." 😮 With only a tiny, small percentage of the population able to "get into" circuit 6 (the "meta-programming" circuit, according to Leery), or circuit 7 (the "meta-programming" circuit, according to Will's son and myself, the "decent" authentic authority), then that only allows "a few" (esoteric) folks who can meta-program.
The bulk of present-day humanity (the "slaves" of because and the "dogs of reason") is still living in the dark ages, since Liber AL and the psychedelic substances have not yet been delivered to their mailboxes. Interestingly, many alcoholics have been given LSD as an experimental therapy and, lo and behold, they suddenly become non-alcoholics. It seems that they made it into the proper (6th or 7th) circuit, saw what was wrong, and instantly changed it! 🙂 So, maybe there is a "fast path" to liberation through "strange drugs."
Anyway, you're right that they failed to re-[meta]program, but, really, not many people get a chance to re-[meta]program at these so-called "higher" (deeper) levels. It has been implied that several of our brethren who seemingly [should have] had access to these "higher" (deeper) levels, including Mathers, Schuster, Motta, ended their lives in an alcoholic haze. So ... devotion to Thelena (or what they think they know about it) doesn't mean they automatically are able to manipulate (or respond to) those meta circuits.
"There is no evidence that either Crowley or Leary ever
progressively cut down, taking less and less in order to
demonstrate the Other-world in "normal" consciousness on a
permanent basis." - ISLBTV (c) 2012[/align:2zykvkcr]
On the other hand, Ray Burlingame (Frater Aquarius), who was a long-term alcoholic, successfully got off the stuff and was sober and rational during his final years. I guess he found his way to the right circuit.
These poor people (all of them, including you, me, and the girl next door) are/were up against not only re-programming their genetic predisposition to alcohol or hard drugs, or "strange" drugs, but also have/had the challenge of re-programming their cultural programming (4th circuit - Netzach). It is a current theme (topic) on some other sites that the majority of failures on the initiatory path are found in the vicinity of the Philosophus degree. AC stated this, and I (and a few others) have remarked over and over how so many aspirants have done so well ... until they reach Netzach, and then they become argumentative and angry, and their progress stops ... just prior to them quitting (or amazngly soaring up to 8=3, so as to formally override their mentor and becoming independent citadels).
One can look at them, and listen to their ravings, and actually determine (see, feel, observe) the age at which they were imprinted with the blocks/attitudes/certainties that they are exhibiting. This is not a case of genetic programming, but it is a matter of personal "shaping" according to the external conditions at the time of their "imprint vulnerability" (and that time is genetically determined. of course, but not the results). That age is sometimes as early as 8, but mostly falls in the 12-14 range, which is consistent with the 4th [socio-sexual] circuit's imprinting taking place at puberty and with the first sexual experiences. I knew it 😮! The source of all our probems is The Girl Next Door >:(
No final conclusions intended. No ultimate realities revealed. I am simultaneously right and wronged 😀 and you should pay no attention to anything I say. Instead, you (any generic you) should be seeking out the closest legal source of legal libationary material ... and combining it with pranayama, dharana, and the banishing/invocation of your choice.
Warning: The availability of legal stuff is rapidly disappearing due to legislation enected by Establisments everywhere. In fact, it may be too late 🙁 It would be improper to suggest one obtain such material from illegal sources, so Just say Neti! Neti! No, not this!
For those of you who are following the disintegration of Ayino, he has been sending me PMs daily. One such comm yesterday said:
"Since the TheGreyWizard is definitely on the learning curve and has his court hearings going on certain dates with the justice system, I should also inform about the following three meetings I will have with psychologists up here in North with the brain department so that my sanity shall be finally determined:
Monday 13.7 Tuesday 14.7 Wednesday 15.7
At this point my (in)sanity has been hard to be determine for them. It suggests bouts of manic-depression, without the depression part. At this point it has been just merry melodies and joy, joy, joy for me. Never mind some looney tunes playing in the background."
It seems he was admitted to a mental institution and is exibiting manic-depression syndrome (manic phase), which is what we called it when I studied abnormal psychology in college (many decades ago) but which now is politically correct to call "Bi-polar Disorder" (UniPolar fixation). For a while, he was confined, and then he got released to Internet-Utilization Status (IUS), so we are blessed with his insights as they pass through Pre-Moderation and appear in the forums.
Be wary and stay warned: This could happen to you. We don't know if genetics, or cultural programming, or drugs, or an accident, or too much coffee, or black magic was the cause of Ayino's confinement. But of Libert, Love, Life & Light, he may now (for the moment) subtract Liberty! 🙁
Cf. “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain”?!
[...]
At first, I thought “IIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAA Fishy fishy fishy” might pass muster as a barbarous call of evocation (But not really ;D)... I’m perturbed, though - I also found it to be (at least moderately) amusing.
Does this mean I am brain damaged? 😮
N Joy
As soon as you clarify which argument you're referring to and which of Crowley's many legacies he's meant to be the inheritor of, I'll determine whether it's strong enough to bear in mind. I'll presume it's not as record-setting mountain climber.
What interests me is that, in terms of discovering True Will it would appear at first glance that this is a description of the opening and maintaining of circuit 5 the first E.T. circuit; the neurosomatic brain. What do you think?
I would think that depends on what one understands True Will to be and, as the one generalisation to be gleaned from the past months of discussion here, no one seems to agree on that definition yet. As I've intimated on prior posts in long forgotten threads, it seems to me that this "discovery of True Will" is a process of Yesod. If we are talking about Los's coffee-preference version, then I'd say it's a function of ye olde Golden Dawne Yesod: 2º=9□ (hence the correlation with the 2nd sephirah, Chokmah = Will). It is in this frame of reference that I've labeled his "discovery of authentic preferences" as beginners' work. The process that I perceive to be what Crowley meant by the phrase is one I recognise to be in the second level of Yesod, this either the gate to the A.'.A.'. Zelator, or the work of the G.D. Theoricus Adeptus Minor. In all of these cases, the move from Malkuth to Yesod is the "next step" facing anyone living in any version of Malkuth and, to that end, there is correlation to the step from 4th circuit to 5th circuit.
If your answer is yes then what about further evolution i..e opening the rest of the E.T. circuits?
As I've also said before on long forgotten threads, I don't see this True Will thing as much more than that first "next step" which gets one climbing the tree. Yes, it serves as the foundation (Yesod) for the rest of the climb and therefore, once discovered, it must be "done" for the rest of one's incarnation, but that should in no way imply that it is the final goal if it is in one's constitution to continue the Work.
For the vast majority of contemporary humanity, just making that first step is beyond their awareness and abilities. Discovering that there is another plane (symbolised by us as Yesod) and that they can focus themselves in such a way to unfold their personalities to experience it is a massive step of evolution that will take generations to spread throughout the species. However, this generalisation implies nothing about the individual case. One should recognise that there are 8 sephiroth and 3 circuits (with 3 sub-circuits each) beyond this discovery toward which any individual aspirant can continue to aim her aspiration.
It is the awareness of this that caused me to observe awhile back that it appears to me as though Crowley, as he aged and was confronted by less and less hope that he would see the revolutionary change in others such as he experienced in himself, bit by bit dumbed down his teachings until he landed at the point that he was just desperately working to keep his works in publication and establishing the O.T.O. as a non-self-destructive protector of those publications so that they'd still be available when future generations finally started turning the corner.
I see nothing to argue with Shiva's placement of circuit 4 in Netzach or his observation that many aspirants burn out there. Circuit 5 as the "Next Step" would then sit in Tiphereth but I'd clarify that as specifically the Yesod sub-degree of Tiphereth (I'd speculate that the Malkuth sub-degree would constitute the balancing of the four terrestrial circuits through the process of stabalising their polarities before full entry and stability in circuit 5 can commence.
It would appear that basic Thelemic Practice such as Resh or The Middle Pillar are a self-training in the transcendence of compulsive dualisms inherent in the first four circuits; either-or.
I wasn't aware that The Middle Pillar was a basic Thelemic practice. I was under the impression that it was devised by Regardie on a Golden Dawn framework.
To be more specific, Resh lifts consciousness out of terrestrial preoccupations and meditation stills the flight-fight terrestrial compulsions and slows down circuit three babbling. The LRBP is a step by step acknowledgement that the inner-reptile can only react either back or forth and the inner- primate. either up or down. The 6 rayed star macrocosm then (and visualization of the 4 "archangels") is representing the alignment with the E.T. spaced out circuits bringing neurosomatic feedback. The Middle Pillar exercise, likewise, imbues the integration of the "mystic/spaced out" black pillar of severity and it's opposite, the white pillar of mercy, into consciousness again as an attempt to integrate terrestrial dualisms which are the source of all stress, emotional turmoil and depression. The Star Ruby does likewise.
This could definitely use some elucidation if you want to rest your argument on its shoulders. Short-hand like this is generally reserved for referring back to something already detailed elsewhere.
What is the point of divination in terms of opening the higher circuits?
I would posit that divination is a 7th/8th-circuit ability, 7th when the insights are local, 8th when they are non-local. I don't know that there is a "point" to it in the circuit opening process except insofar as early jumps into higher circuit states that allow for surprising divination experiences might give one the reassurance that there really is something up there that she is striving towards.
Where does invocation practice come into this?
I would posit it as a 6th circuit (7th in Shiva's model) technique of meta-programming. Where I find Shiva's model to have strength is that it implicitly recognises that meta-programming the mind is not exclusively local.
It's easy to glean how Jugorum provides for a more direct access to circuit 5.
Pray tell.
Also, bear in mind that at the crux of Leary's model is the notion that DNA itself had a plan (millions of years ago), to seed on this planet, to emerge from the oceans onto land and ultimately, to leave the planet and function in space stations. This is why we have these 8 evolutionary circuits.
I'd say this is a subtle misread. To correct it: DNA is a plan.
Sure. I always remind folks that this whole deal (the Tree and its correspondences) is holographic. This means that the ten grades of A.'.A.'., the 10 degress of OTO, the three grades of Liber AL, the eight neurocircuits, and the ten degrees of Japanese martial arts, all fit onto the Tree, right in/on the ten sephira or in clumps of spheres. But sometimes they are just reflections or, as you say, "sub-degrees."
For example, Ipsissimus 9=2 and the Grand Master Xº can both be attributed to Kether, but they are not equal to each other. The OTO degrees are reflections of the A.'.A.'. system, and they reside in a "lesser" or "sub" holographic constitution.
I wasn't aware that The Middle Pillar was a basic Thelemic practice. I was under the impression that it was devised by Regardie on a Golden Dawn framework.
Your impression is correct. But you know that.
DNA is a plan.
Right! It's a blueprint. The map is not the territory. The blueprint is not the final product ... but it better be pretty close or the inspector won't sign off on it.
What the long-range blueprint/plan for humanity is, when considering the "higher" circuits, is not for me to say or agree with. However, the early astronaughts all came back sick. Then the scientists/injuneers thought maybe it was leaving the earth's 10 cps frequency that caused the sickness, and they put a 10 cps transmitter in each space capsule. Walla! The sickness stopped. Maybe there'll be a 10 cps transmitter to go along with every space traveler - maybe it'll be embedded. But along with 10 cps deficiency sickness, and skeletal disintegration in zero gravity, and no McDonalds, what other terrors will our space travelers have?
Reply #15 by david on: July 12, 2015, 02:59:03 am:
Read up on what AC said in his published diaries about colonizing Venus. I know it sounds laughable but the point is you are not confronting evolutionary facts imo. Do you accept that we are here because of pre-historic single-cell oceanic life forms?
Reference there, please?
Reply #15 by david on: July 12, 2015, 02:59:03 am:
[...] It is a signal for mutation. [...]
A friend of mine – a sincere and enthusiastic fan of Crowley’s work – has said that regardless of his shortcomings and personal problems, Crowley had something which permitted his selection and use as a messenger. The Gods, whoever and whatever They may be, care nothing for human beings per se, save as they may be employed to further the work of the evolution of the human race. This business of evolution is never a smooth, forward-moving process. More likely it proceeds by sudden spurts and jolts, accompanied by social catastrophes and overwhelming cataclysms of nature which, somehow, promote the occurrence of mutations. It is the resulting mutant that is the evidence of evolution, as well as the promise of better things to come. He also suggested that Crowley may be one of these mutants, and that The Book of the Law, no matter how distasteful its violence and haughty disdain of our so-called civilized values may be to us, is the scripture as it were of violent change and evolutionary cataclysm from which mutants emerge. ...
Israel Regardie: The Eye In The Triangle, pp. 457-8[/align:2cy78ple]
Since the dna code is the unifier of all living things on Earth including and especially intelligent sentient organisms, it would surely include (involve) the Earth herself as its fullest expression as Atu XXI, its manifestation of The World/ The Universe (or maybe that could even be vice-versa with the little Earth our sister Herself as the prime mover)?
The bulk of present-day humanity (the "slaves" of because and the "dogs of reason") is still living in the dark ages, since Liber AL and the psychedelic substances have not yet been delivered to their mailboxes. Interestingly, many alcoholics have been given LSD as an experimental therapy and, lo and behold, they suddenly become non-alcoholics. It seems that they made it into the proper (6th or 7th) circuit, saw what was wrong, and instantly changed it! 🙂 So, maybe there is a "fast path" to liberation through "strange drugs."
I think some people may be in danger of taking this idea of (the results from) meta-(re)programming too far. Some things are just too ingrained – perhaps hardwired might be a more technological sounding way of putting it – to be able to be reprogrammed this reality (or incarnation, if preferred) around. Someone can’t just wave a magick wand (or drop a tab of acid) and become a different person just like that, ptoof! And even if you could, the chances are it will wear off again at the same time when the mind-altering substance does.
And what about when the metaprogramming goes wrong – as it does now and again – resulting in, or as the result of, a bad trip due to e.g. faulty set and setting?
And incidentally, is there a list anywhere of which things apart from addiction can allegedly be reimprinted??
Scush me, I’m not schure about Schuster – assuming you’re possibly referring to Gerald Suster and not some other Schuster here of whom I am unaware? If so, I kind of feel sure he would have raised some sort of an objection. He schertainly liked a schot or scheveral of schpirits now and again (all right then, every day) but he was very rarely in what could be called an alcoholic daze – or even haze. Motta also, although he may have liked a tipple (I don’t happen to know), unless I’m also mistaken died of a heart attack after being ill. Who is it that has raised these foul implications? Such misrepresentation of only a partial truth reminds me of those other sorts of people who like to say things like “Crowley ended his days bereft of ideas as a hopeless junkie in a Hastings boarding-house.”
Seems a little bit like Snakes and Ladders to me. Good game!
Another good game! (but neither of them actually in “The Game of Life”...)
Ah, I knew it had to be someone and it was her! But, who can resist the siren’s call? (- Other girls, who are not lesbian?! :o)
N Joy
Yes, if it's "genetically programmed," it's essentially the same as "hardwired." Of course, if we're talking about solid-state electronics, a proficient technician can unsolder the connections, or modify the "hard" circuit board, and change the flow of electrons. Human DNA can be modified through radiation ... but the results are usually not beneficial at all. You're right that some things are too ingrained for reasonable re-programming.
For example, the "scientists" say that people who start drinking (at a young age) and upon whom the effects of alcohol are nil, are the ones most likely to become alcoholics. A Frater told me that when his parents had a party, he confiscated a liter of whiskey. He drank it all (in one siitting ... or one standing) and he felt no effects. He did not become an alcoholic, but he fell prey to methamphetamism to his great detriment.
The same "scientists" recently (only last week - in the daily news) said that blue-eyed people were at higher risk for alcoholism. Well, I'm blue-eyed, and I only got "drunk" once (my first experience) and it never happened again, because my blue-eyed system immediately recognized alcohol as a poison.
Our physical appearance is hardwired genetic info, but a surgeon can modify our appearance ... but he/she cannot reprogram the DNA that induced the original look.
And incidentally, is there a list anywhere of which things apart from addiction can allegedly be reimprinted??
I don't know of such a "list," but I would definitely include cultural programming. The Philosophers 4=7 who go off the track usually do so because of childhood or adolescent experiences. These are not due to genetic DNA, but to parental influence or unusual early sexual experiences. So these things are more like "software" problems, and are more easily modified than, say, the color of one's hair. Yet, such programs are apparently deep in the operating system, and that's why Netzach is (sometimes) such a hard task.
Scush me, I’m not schure about Schuster – assuming you’re possibly referring to Gerald Suster and not some other Schuster here of whom I am unaware?
Well, I was naughty to name names based upon rumor. A person, well-known to most of us posters, told me [s:38y11r6r]Schuster[/s:38y11r6r] [sic] Suster was known to be a drunk. I wasn't there, and so my comment was hearsay. He (the source) probably wasn't there either, so it's more [s:38y11r6r]hearsay[/s:38y11r6r] heresy.
Mathers may not have been a drunk either. Crowley merely alluded to it in his character assassination of his prior "superior." Crowley also went after Arthwait in Moonchild ...
"The man in charge of the mission of the Black Lodge was one Arthwait, a dull and inaccurate pedant without imagination or real magical perception. Like most Black Magicians, he tippled habitually, and his capacity for inflicting damage upon others was limited by his inordinate conceit ..."
... yet the real-life Arthur Edward Waite ended his incarnation with a rather high amount of general respect, and alcoholic was not among his adjectives or nouns.
Motta falls into a more believable hearsay. During the OTO court drama, he was walking to court with his right-hand man. He was grumpy and angry. His assistant suggested he might want to lighten up and Motta turned to him and said, "Good Lord, man, don't you realize I'm an alcoholic!" Ho hum, more hearsay on my part; I wasn't there.
But, who can resist the siren’s call?
Some folks do indeed resist. Or maybe they get snared and then extricate themselves. I've known more folks who get nailed at 4=7 than those who passed on. But, there are those who actually do pass on. If not, there'd never be any 5=6's.
It's worth noting that science reporting is generally abysmal. News sources tend to report individual studies as significant when in fact individual studies are only a small part of the scientific process. The next step is for these studies to be replicated and for others to try to confirm (or discredit) the results of the study independently. And again and again...the process can take decades.
There are people who say silly things like, "Oh, scientists don't know what they're talking about! They used to say eggs were bad for you, and now they're saying eggs are good for you! Just goes to show that you can't trust that precious 'science'!" These people are the victims of bad reporting, carried out by a news media that exists not to inform the public but to sensationalize in order to attract viewers/readers.
Now that surely is the Truth of the Media Matter. Politics, in general, falls under the same umbrella, but instead of "viewers," they're after "votes."
Just an important reminder that "planes" and/or"sephiroth" are not real but are a metaphor. OTOH, Leary's brain circuits appear to be less metaphorical and more the result of rigorous analysis. Furthermore the idea that some people are "hard-wired" to be addicts is frankly, bullshit. There is no evidence but evidence does suggest that it is nurture not nature. Shiva, alcohol(ism) is all about circuit 2. Some say alcoholism (as a genetic disease) doesn't even exist... but terrestrial emptiness and depression seeking a drug of choice, does.
This theory (?) (silly rumour?) about those who "get to 4=7" generally lose it and then become addicts has a more logical explanation (not that this is any kind of real verifiable fact we're discussing here). Many people who get involved in occult pursuits are basically "seekers". That is, they feel empty, due to emotional repressions and they have a nagging "hole" inside them. Religious feelings (i.e. wrongly treating Thelema as a religion) fill that "hole"....but only for a while. When they realize that (their delusional muddled version of) Thelema cannot fill that "hole", they become dismayed and look for mundane ways of filling up that "hole". Perhaps this only dawns on them "at 4=7".
Of what?
Of what?
Of within and without. using the language and techniques of modern science
To answer the posts of the last few pages and answer my own OP. Consider that your individual TW, ultimately must be given up for service to the universe itself and that includes the TW of the entire species i.e. SMI2LE. Also consider that Leary, heir of AC was a magus whose "word" was SMI2LE (word or mnemonic does it matter?). His essays on the welfare and evolution of the species and the universe can be viewed in his literary output, spanning decades. TW is anything you do that moves us towards the SMI2LE plan.
On a practical level, Tao raised a good point. We can't even agree on what TW is, so how can we apply it to Leary's model? Well, read a description of the opening of the neuro-somatic brain and i'm sure you will agree that that is what people strive for when they strive for TW. To add to this, Leary describes an "abyss" existing, for the individual, before this circuit is turned on.
Of what?
Of within and without. using the language and techniques of modern science
I do not think these words mean what you think they mean.
How is this "more logical"? On the surface, it appears to be more speculative (e.g. "many people", "nagging 'hole'", "religious feelings", "they become...") than Shiva's "I (and a few others) have remarked over and over how so many aspirants have done so well ... until they reach Netzach, and then they become argumentative and angry, and their progress stops ... just prior to them quitting (or amazngly soaring up to 8=3, so as to formally override their mentor and becoming independent citadels)." His appears to be an observation whereas yours is an explanation in absence of data.
What sort of "logic" is it you believe you're utilising here? Or is it, perhaps, that you've once again confused "logical" with "personal reality-tunnel" or even "common sense"?
Ah, well in that case, all the world needs is more cannabis aficionados and this True Will thingy will take care of itself. Glad that's settled.
What's next?
So I finally googled "SMI2LE" so I could figure out what the hell you're blabbering on about.
From what I've gleaned, "SMI2LE" appears to be Leary's plans for a mechanism by which humanity could usher in a transhumanist future, when humanity would be made more than human in some sense. And the "SMI2LE" plan includes Space Migration, Itelligence Increase, and Life Extension.
That's interesting and all -- I'm certainly in favor of exploring space, increasing our collective intelligence, and increasing the human lifespan (provided we can live comfortable lives) -- but I fail to see how this is the True Will of all of humanity or how an individual's True Will is necessarily to assist with this plan.
In fact, it sounds like you've got it entirely backwards, turning True Will into some kind of external "plan" that has to be followed. True Will comes from within, and if it's a person's authentic preference to do something other than aiding this "SMI2LE" plan -- even something that actually counteracts or opposes "SMI2LE" -- then that's his True Will, and the proper Thelemic course of action is to say fuck the plan and follow your own path.
It's just as important to reminder one's self that planes and sephira correspond to certain electromagnetic phenomena and types of perception, and thus are less metaphorical than you wish to portray.
Leary's brain circuits appear to be less metaphorical and more the result of rigorous analysis.
Oh right, I forgot that a few centuries of Qabalistic anal-ysis is much less than recent studies of perception as allocated to certain parts of the brain. Don't get me wrong, I'm a great fan of Leary and the 8 circuits. But, in the present post being quoted, something smells wrong.
Furthermore the idea that some people are "hard-wired" to be addicts is frankly, bullshit.
Oh, that's what smells wrong. BS, when not applied as a fertilizer, is a metaphor for illusion and/or a lie. Lying causes all stress ???
This theory (?) (silly rumour?) about those who "get to 4=7" generally lose it and then become addicts ...
Huh? ??? I think the silly (but obviously observable) theory was that many 4=7s (or pre-4=7s, say 3=8.9), when faced with the test of devotion, seem to revert to the status of an angry teenager, much like yourself, and become argumentative. I don't remember the part where they became addicts.
Anybody at any grade (or any non-grade position in any hierarchy ... say a janitor at the Pentagon or a schoolbus driver in Anytown, Canada or a mountain-climber who develops astma) has the opportunity to become addicted to any substance or recurrent idea at any time. There's not necessarily any Netzach involved.
So I finally googled "SMI2LE" so I could figure out what the hell you're blabbering on about.
From what I've gleaned, "SMI2LE" appears to be Leary's plans for a mechanism by which humanity could usher in a transhumanist future, when humanity would be made more than human in some sense. And the "SMI2LE" plan includes Space Migration, Itelligence Increase, and Life Extension.
That's interesting and all -- I'm certainly in favor of exploring space, increasing our collective intelligence, and increasing the human lifespan (provided we can live comfortable lives) -- but I fail to see how this is the True Will of all of humanity or how an individual's True Will is necessarily to assist with this plan.
In fact, it sounds like you've got it entirely backwards, turning True Will into some kind of external "plan" that has to be followed. True Will comes from within, and if it's a person's authentic preference to do something other than aiding this "SMI2LE" plan -- even something that actually counteracts or opposes "SMI2LE" -- then that's his True Will, and the proper Thelemic course of action is to say fuck the plan and follow your own path.
Blabbering? I suggest you read some of Leary's output or at least visit the deoxy website. TW as "authentic inclinations"? Is that based on mere psychology or neurology? It sounds metaphysical.
A self-contradictory statement. Or clumsy English?
As that modern beat combo The Who put it in their little ditty called (unsurprisingly) “The Seeker”:
I looked under chairs, I looked under tables
I'm trying to find the key to fifty million fablesI asked Bobby Dylan, I asked the Beatles
I asked Timothy Leary but he couldn't help me eitherThey call me the Seeker, I’ve been searching low and high
I won’t get to get what I'm after ‘til the day I dieI'm looking for me, you're looking for you
We’re looking at each other and we don't know what to do (etc)The Who: The Seeker [edit][/align:i42ai485]
By the way you still haven’t answered my points in Reply #24, david? Specifically my queries about the apparent restriction of Leary’s Circuit 6 to the post-Einsteinian era; the whole (relative) 25-35 years of age thing including how old you yourself are; and whether you acknowledge that you are guilty of displaying intellectual snobbery. Extra points may be awarded for (radical) honesty here! In terms of “Space Migration”, you might also give the reference for where it is you reckon A.C. writes in his diaries about colonizing Venus.
Yes, at least on present showing those all-pervasive cosmic rays must pretty much be a game-shifter so far as space exploration – let alone migration - goes.
Gentlemen, gentlemen! Is this the first sign of a falling out and a schism within the skeptics’ camp? But this thing of TW being “authentic inclinations” (or preferences/ tendencies if you will) is nothing new on Los’s part though – he was saying the same thing when you did agree with him yet you didn't say it "sounded metaphysical" then!? ???
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His point is it only becomes achievable for real then. Similarly H.G.Wells, didn't he write, in Victorian Britain, about rockets leaving earth?
Personal details? No. sorry. 25-35 thing? What was that?
Why is that relevant?
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From what I've gleaned, "SMI2LE" appears to be Leary's plans for a mechanism by which humanity could usher in a transhumanist future, when humanity would be made more than human in some sense. And the "SMI2LE" plan includes Space Migration, Itelligence Increase, and Life Extension.
That's interesting and all -- I'm certainly in favor of exploring space, increasing our collective intelligence, and increasing the human lifespan (provided we can live comfortable lives) -- but I fail to see how this is the True Will of all of humanity or how an individual's True Will is necessarily to assist with this plan.
In fact, it sounds like you've got it entirely backwards, turning True Will into some kind of external "plan" that has to be followed. True Will comes from within, and if it's a person's authentic preference to do something other than aiding this "SMI2LE" plan -- even something that actually counteracts or opposes "SMI2LE" -- then that's his True Will, and the proper Thelemic course of action is to say fuck the plan and follow your own path.
Actually TW does come from within, yes of course it does. I never said it was external. SMI2LE is internal. DNA wants SMI2LE and this is Leary's argument. Take Hitler. Some say he was doing his TW. We don't know but he certainly contributed giant leaps to the achievement of SMI2LE, what with the forced acceleration of rocket science and code-cracking information technology. "Warrior Lord of the 40s" mutated by the information within Wagner's operas? Maybe. Maybe not.