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Shiva
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17/09/2018 6:50 pm  

S: I have an intuition/impression regarding the (c)OTO: McMurtry had so simply & badly wanted his “C.” (=OHO for him) role that he’d been ready to use whatever takes to get it. ... etc: McM vs Motta.

Heavens to Bartzabel and the 30 Eaters! The AC/Germer/McMurtry/Motta square dance revolved around a certain hand-written note given by AC to McMurtry. I have seen copies of it, and the Judge probably saw the original.

There are too many "if"s in your proposed scenario for speculation on my part.

By the traditions of Freemasonry and the rules of the OTO (at that time), McMurtry had obviously been appointed by AC, in writing, to "reorganize the Order," "subject to the approval of Germer." Well, Germer (who never took a single OTO initiation (or even an Oath that we know of) refused approval of McM's attempts to "reorganize" and so the Order stayed closed.

Motta, who never took an OTO Oath (he was 0=0 A.'.A.'.), decided he would open up SOTO (Society OTO), which he did. Then he claimed Magister status.

McM, not to be outdone, actually had received the IX* from AC, plus a Note, went on to claim "Caliph" (successor) and O.H.O., and in the A.'.A.'. Department, he claimed 9=2, even though his wife/mentor had expelled him midway through 0=0 for "not doing the work." This 9=2, of which his Word was "OTO," seems to have been assumed in order to "rise up" over both Motta and his ex-wife, Meral.

So I must agree with the Judge and it's McM who was, after all, legally entitled because he had a Note from his Parent. As to whether he really was a 9=2, and thereby attained to the level whereby his actions caused a change in the collective consciousness, I must reserve my opinion.

It doesn't matter what Germer "intended," because he never followed through in writing, or even a deathbed declaration. It doesn't matter if Motta opened up OTO/AA activities, because in the end he lost the copyright battle, the OTO trademark, and his disciple support base.

It doesn't even matter that both Motta and McM were alcoholics, that neither of them walked the AA path, step by step, that McM got the IX* as a "battlefield promotion" without transversing first through the IV-VIII degrees, or that Motta never even set foot in a Minerval camp.

None of this matters for two reasons (one is general, the other is personal):

(1) GENERAL - The fact is that McM won in court (even though he died a day or two before the decision came in ... or went out), that the current (c)OTO is legally THE OTO and they hold the AC copyrights (most of which are now in the public domain), which they bought from The Queen, and that the McM-BB lineage is tightly proven and closely held.

(2) PERSONAL - None of this matters (to me) because when I formally resigned (in writing) from OTO (in 1972), I made myself a promise: I would never use OTO practices or rites in the future, yet I would continue the work under the A.'.A.'. curriculum. But I would not be so bold (or stupid) as to flash the letters A.'.A.'. out loud. No, I adopted a policy that I often recommend to others:
Use the A.'.A.'. curriculum but for Tranquility's sake, change the name of your Order!

So, as I see it, there are no ifs: BB holds OTO in his grasp. They/he have changed the rules, so it's not the same OTO of AC & Agape Lodge, or McM. (c)OTO is THE OTO of today. The A.'.A.'. continues in splintered lineages. I know of one that is very "clean;" that is, it is a "line" (a chain, not a group) and it holds true to the principles of A.'.A.'. as envisioned by AC and G.C.Jones ... and I know of another lineage at the opposite pole, where favoritism and illusion rule the day.

Does ANY of this really matter? I suggest it doesn't.

This reply was not proof-read and so any kind of weird spelling or grammer might appear.


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17/09/2018 10:30 pm  

ignant666

Thank you for your kind words. I've gotten invitation to Minerval initiation on my 21st birthday, and I've been all "wow". In next 19 months I've "advanced" to the II°, then in the next 18 months I've done all the tasks & "Study Program" for the II° (outlined in Liber MCLI, then used in (c)OTO) but I've never applied for the III°. I've felt it's been something really wrong with the "order". The Lodge was in the another city, so I've been an outsider & I've never really befriended anyone; all they've worked & talked have been about politics, & who had been or wanted to be with the lodge-master's gf (fortunately I haven't liked her), &c., &c., &c..

Two illustrations:

1. From the start of the 0° period they had considered me some sort of a freak because (1) I had really memorized the first Chapter of AL (indeed, they asked for it but no one regarded it seriously); (2) had known the Sanskrit names of the Chakras; (3) regularly payed the fees to the Lodge; (4) &c., &c., &c..

2. (This had happened when I've already been I° or II°)
the lodge-master (the top dog; he's been V° or VI° at the time): "You can open a camp in your city. I can give you a charter."
monkey-banana: "To what end?"
the l-m: "Power!"
m-b: "What Power?"
the l-m: "As a camp-master you will have Power (over people), muchhhhh moreeee Power than you have now."
m-b: "I don't need Power." (had forgotten to thank him for the offering...)

I've worked my Work before the "(c)OTO adventure" (1989-92), and I've continued my Work after that. And some ten years later, when the internet kicked in and I've
read a lot of things, I've realized I've been right (i.e., true to myself) when I've listened my intuition and separated from the "order."

Yes, I've also noticed the absence of the (c)OTO members recently. I've read most of the threads (esp. in Thelema & in Magick forums) in last 10 months or so. I don't consider myself a lurker: I write only when I have something to say. I highly appreciate your mentioning of Coleman's passing. I've wanted to write a note when Taylor passed earlier this year, but I was at lowest energy levels at the time.

(I should cut myself for every damn "I" in the post. Or to drink Red Bull?)


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18/09/2018 12:55 am  

S.’.: (...) it’s McM who was, after all, legally entitled because he had a Note from his Parent.

OK, thank you. I understand.

S.’.: Does ANY of this really matter? I suggest it doesn’t.

It doesn’t, I agree.

S.’.: PERSONAL – None of this matters (to me) because when I formally resigned (in writing) from OTO (in 1972), I made myself a promise: I would never use OTO practices or rites in the future, yet I would continue the work under the A.’.A.’. curriculum.

When I informally cut off the bond with OTO (giving to Fire all paper trails, inc. diplomas, letters, MLinks, &c.), I've discontinued even the practice of Resh for I haven't wanted to use their grade sings anymore.

Now when you've written

S.’.: The A.’.A.’. continues in splintered lineages. I know of one that is very “clean;” that is, it is a “line” (a chain, not a group) and it holds true to the principles of A.’.A.’. as envisioned by AC and G.C.Jones ...

I, and Me, and Mine can live in glorious hope.

(Almost written O..z! Otos to greedys, ifs to koenigs.... call the girls)


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19/09/2018 6:35 am  

Been over 20 years since I was in the OTO.
It played a pert in my learning and growth.
As Nietzsche said in different words. Go not to the market place. The flies are poisoners.


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Jamie J Barter
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19/09/2018 7:14 pm  

@ faust :

Are you “Fr Conquest, “IV K.E.W.”, Ex-Master of BeNu Oasis, London”? What a coincidence? I just read your text/mail on the website of G.M. Kelly. A few hours ago. I was googling, but couldn’t connect any name or eMail address to the fraternal or magickal name. Now I read you here, if you’re the same person. Coincidentia oppositorum. I’d like to get in touch with you. Please write me: ezekiel1000@Safe-mail.net

I replied a couple of times as follows, and have heard nothing back:

Hello Faust! Yes, I am one and the same. "Coincidentia oppositorum" eh! What can you mean by this: to what do I owe this request for contact - might you belong to the O.T.O., perchance? And I haven't had any access to or contact with G.M. Kelly or his website for at least 20 years, but I'm not sure which mailing you might mean there...
Please note my PC is almost unusable at the moment and I am having to log in using public facilities, so please bear in mind if I am not able to reply back quickly - it might even be a couple of days or so.
With the usual standard Thelemic greetings:
Jamie
93.

Three times is now your lot, sir! Nevermore shall I write again, & I cast ye back into the ranks of the timewasters...

As may have been discerned by others, my presence may be a little erratic until I can get the problem solved. Although I don't think I'll be going on a tech cold turkey again, it may be a while (hopefully not too long however) before some sort of a norma service is resumed.

In the meantime, Bon nuit
N Joy


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christibrany
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21/09/2018 5:02 am  

...To keep silent.

That's all.

Its like a gossiping group of busy bodies here sometimes.

In regards of Order business only of course
Just a poke.

Like or dislike certain things/grades/orders I just don't understand the need to gripe in public.


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ignant666
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21/09/2018 3:15 pm  

Like or dislike certain things/grades/orders I just don’t understand the need to gripe in public.

I would guess that you view with similar disapproval AC's many public controversies with others, and certainly must view with distaste the publication of The Equinox, a main purpose of which was to publish the secrets of the Golden Dawn, as part of AC's multi-year campaign of "grip[ing] in public" with that order.


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Shiva
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21/09/2018 5:52 pm  

CS: Like or dislike certain things/grades/orders I just don’t understand the need to gripe in public.

It's a New Aeon Transition Syndrome. People are so rapt up in their instant comm Borg device that allows them to instantly comment on just about anything. It's like Facebook overshadows LAShTAL from time to time. LAShTAL is not some secret society. It's not even an Outer Order. It's the Publick Marketplace ... like where people used to post their written comments. Sometimes the devious deviants or the sorry spammers slip past the guardians at the Registration Desk. And sometimes it's just a matter of sincere, but biased, folks who have a drim to beat. It's the price one pays for discussing lofty, esoteric subjects where anyone can join in.

Ig: ... AC’s many public controversies with others ...

AC cited this as a form of Magick. In Liber Aleph he tells his shining son, Achad, how to conduct business. First you incite an argument; then the public (some of them, at least) put you up on a soapbox, where you have their attention; then you preach Thelema.


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21/09/2018 11:02 pm  

christibrainy:

Like or dislike certain things/grades/orders I just don’t understand the need to gripe in public.

hello everyone... .

I am not an oto, (c)oto, AA, A∴A, SS, IAO, OAI, AI, AOI, GD, fbi, cia, dod or any other acronym member except I guess an illegal alien member of the ALeister Crowley society.

Solitary work is awesome "no limits" the only rule is there is no rules...

I like to peek at what the orders are up to and well, reasons, not mine though 🙂

orders sound to much like court and grades is something I failed for well, reasons ...

I just enjoy being me living learning loving and liberty...

pardon me while I enjoyably digress ..... Hi Norma Conquest, big smiles ...... hugs... or a hi 5 if you dont like aussie swagman hugs....just wanted to let you know love you.. and love your work....

ok without too much waffle

is it a gripe to question??? are your orders the exclusive owners of knowledge? do not the curious have the right to ask before settling in to a strict regime? Do you feel your particular order has the superiority to other orders and to solo seekers?

What is the big reason behind your secrecy and obvious disdain of ones who break your CARDINAL... *I like that word it's my word of the week... rules?

What do you feel will damage you if people know and talk about these orders and degrees?


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25/09/2018 4:33 pm  

Ignant666 wrote: "Many here are former members- what amazes me is that there are apparently no current posters here who are current members, since no has posted to say they are after more than a month. There used to be many members who posted here, but for some reason all of them have stopped posting, and no new (c)OTO members have replaced them. They seem to favor the reddit Thelema group these days- many there self-identify as (c)OTO members in their posts."

My hypothesis is that FB and other forms of Order-specific social media have simply made it less necessary or appealing to go elsewhere. I've been poking about various forums during this latest bout of curiosity, and I'm not seeing a lot of familiar voices beyond a handful that are mostly handling moderator duties. Compared to the level of participation even on my last visit to LAShTAL several years ago, forums don't appear to be being used as they once were, and the absence of what is probably the largest population of those identifying as Thelemites is puzzling.

One of the biggest advantages of the (c)OTO, in the US at least, is that it is large and active enough to provide a Thelemite-centric social life, online and offline (if you're able to make the drives) - and that may be enough for a lot of people. FB introduced an even greater ability to limit one's interaction to just the "friendlies", and things seem to be a lot more siloed than they were in the days of 93Current, Thelema-L and the Alt.Magick free for alls. During my membership days, our local body made a deliberate effort to maintain a space where Thelemites of any or no affiliation could work together, but I don't know if that's the norm today or not.


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ignant666
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25/09/2018 5:07 pm  

Again, thank you for your thoughtful post, Soror MNA. I think you are most likely correct in all you say.

As a Facebook-refuser, i probably did not give enough weight to the effect that FB has had on all online fora, whether for Thelema, cooking, music, pets, or whatever topic. My hypothesis above that they had some sort of private Order forum ignored the obvious possibility of communication through a private FB group or groups. Cognitive blindness caused by my FB-refusal.

Lashtal had been really quiet for a couple years, but has livened up a good deal recently.


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ignant666
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27/09/2018 12:55 am  

As a result of current discussion in the music thread (of Bill Breeze's at least second-hand associations with notorious neo-Nazis (and perpetrators of turgid music) Boyd Rice, and Douglas Pearce (of Death In June)), i have a question about the (c)OTO's membership.

It appears that we have no (c)OTO members here to answer, but several folks have mentioned they are ex-members, and that they know current members.

So, my question: I have a friend of a friend who is black, and a member of the NYC (c)OTO lodge, though i think he has been inactive for many years.

Has anyone ever heard of any other black folks ever being members of any (c)OTO body?

Pretty sure the answer will be a resounding silence and/or "No". Wonder why? What happened to "The Law Is For All"?


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29/09/2018 5:13 pm  

So, my question: I have a friend of a friend who is black, and a member of the NYC (c)OTO lodge, though i think he has been inactive for many years.
Has anyone ever heard of any other black folks ever being members of any (c)OTO body?

Brother K (whom I liked but have not seen for over twenty five years after we seemed to have an unfortunate difference of opinion) was a Rasta who belonged to another, later London group. But given the above however, those whose skin was of a darker complexion were certainly otherwise in the minority there and he was something of an exception.

N Joy


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04/10/2018 8:25 pm  

There were a few non-white (c)OTO members in the bodies back in my day, and several "guests" (non-initiates) who liked working with us at our local body. Though, we definitely were not a community where Neo-Nazis or similar philosophies would find sympathetic ears. In my (c)OTO experience, those who tended to support the fascist reading of Crowley's work were also a distinct minority, at least for the ones I encountered irl - though given how big a debate this has become I don't know if it has changed. Back when there was less rigidity about staying within the confines of Crowley's religious model, we seemed to cross the cultural divide a lot more.

But, yes, it was still predominantly a white crowd. From my observation in the US pagan scene, it tends to be mostly white in several traditions, probably because it's all so rooted in European culture or philosophies to begin with. My friends from other living ritual cultures were generally not that impressed with our ceremonies and not into the reading list.

As far as dedicated forums for OTO members, there may be some out there - I just wouldn't know. I try to avoid FB as much as possible, too, so I don't know if it's going through the same decline I've seen in a lot of forums. I think many of us who have little patience for the troll play, memes, or endless 101-level questions end up going into other formats, like the blogging community or the acacdemic groups.


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ignant666
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04/10/2018 8:50 pm  

Thanx as always for your response, Sr MNA, and also Jamie.

So non-white (c)OTO members are as common as non-white hockey players, or country singers, as far as we know so far. They exist, but are rare.

Good points about "other living ritual cultures" likely drawing many non-white, and in my experience especially Latinx folks, who might otherwise seek out or find Thelema. Many friends over the years have been Santeria/Macumba initiates. They've always been interested to hear about Thelema, but only up to a point.

Just out of curiosity, which "academic groups" do you refer to? As a retired academic, the phrase sends a frisson of terror down my spine, but just curious.


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04/10/2018 10:30 pm  

Just out of curiosity, which “academic groups” do you refer to? As a retired academic, the phrase sends a frisson of terror down my spine, but just curious.

Societas Magica, Association for the Study of Esotericism, European Society for the Study of Western Esotericism, the University of Amsterdam programs, etc. It's not everyone's cup of tea, I know, but the opening of the Esoteric Studies fields in the past decade has given many of us a place to be both academics and practitioners - and get the best of both worlds. I mostly go to those kind of conferences now instead of the occult/pagan ones; always useful new information, less people trying to tell me about the curious things they see in my aura, and once folks get a few drinks in them, the mask & cloaks start coming off. 🙂


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05/10/2018 2:00 am  

Fascinating, of course none of those intriguing-sounding things existed when i went into grad school in the early '90s.

As it was, i went with my lifelong interest in "strange drugs" and did my degree in criminology, and my subsequent work in studying the drug business, and overlapping areas of public health (infectious disease among injection drug users). Of course, crim was also useful in recycling my law degree into taking fewer classes in grad school.

In any case, in a career basically devoted to studying heroin users, i got some considerable professional millage out of all those teenage years spent reading Crowley instead of studying.

Esotericism studies sounds more fun though, and i bet you get hardly any ex-cops at all (not that some are not very nice folks) at conferences, rather than like 50%.


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05/10/2018 2:50 am  

Oh man, if there had been the option of studying History of Hermetic Philosophy in Amsterdam next when I was a beginning undergrad, it would have been a whole different ball game!!! I did get to sneak in an analysis of Crowley's autobiography in a Human Behavior course, and years later did an analysis of (c)OTO's organizational model for a Sociology course on organizational theory, at least.

But, yes, there are so many interesting options for folks interested in the occult that were not around 20 years ago. And this may give traditional occult circles - orders, festivals, etc. - some competition. For me, having a fresh look at the Order's organizational problems from a professional lens really affected my decision at the KEW point and started the tangent of research that took me off in my own direction. I've bought maybe one book from the "occult" section in the past two years - everything else has been the research coming out of the Esoteric Studies crowd. I haven't run into any ex-cops at the conferences (that I know of)...you just have to watch out for some of those archivist folks. 😉


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12/10/2018 10:25 pm  

@ignant666

Hope the parts of this article, Shave and a Haircut, will be interesting to you (how someone had seen the auraless guy... a dog as... &c.) And for those puzzled with the title of the article the secret has been revealed in the Urban Dictionary.


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12/10/2018 10:49 pm  

Thank you for the entertainingly nutty article, Serpent 252. I think the title is adequately explained- the "duh-dah-dah duh-duh/dah! dah!" (aka "Shave and a haircut/Two bits!") sequence mentioned, also known as the "Bo Diddley Beat", "hambone", or clave.


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13/10/2018 6:55 am  

“:I know William Randy Breeze to be a highly intelligent, well read and very competent editor and archivist. His six years as an undergraduate at Harvard University provided him with a knowledge base second to none in the occult world. His 27 years as O.H.O of the Caliphate O.T.O. has given him unprecedented access to documents pertaining to Aleister Crowley’s extensive writings. If anyone has the knowledge and authority to change the text of the Book of the Law, it’s Bill Breeze. “

the corporation advertising department should probably try to promote Crowley’s message


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ignant666
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13/10/2018 3:00 pm  

I think you should read on, Tiger- the main point of the article is that, however learned he may be, Bill Breeze has no aura, even on strong acid, and is thus some sort of semi-human zombie creature.

Not a pro (c)OTO/Breeze POV to say the least.


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13/10/2018 4:22 pm  

?: His six years as an undergraduate at Harvard University provided him with a knowledge base second to none in the occult world.

Harvard offers a SIX-YEAR undergraduate program in Occultism?

Ig: Bill Breeze has no aura, even on strong acid, and is thus some sort of semi-human zombie creature.

I don't know how you determined this "aura" thing, but my long-distance assessment concurs (I only spoke to him via email).

"Semi-human zombie creature" is a strong accusation involving the cosmic black lodge, extraterrestrial entities (both good and bad), and exopolitics, and is thus unsuitable material for most of LAShTAL's readers.

My wife recently went to ECETI Ranch in Oregon, where UFOs can be seen. The attendees (about 125 of them) were described as "Apocalyptic Zombies," which seems to resonate with your eloquent attribution.


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13/10/2018 5:18 pm  

The "Bill Breeze has no aura" argument comes from the article Serpent 252 linked to, and which tiger quoted, not from me.

As to my characterization of the article saying Breeze is "a sort of semi-human zombie creature", see, eg,

[Breeze] lacks the spiritual equipment for initiation... Bill has no Angel to guide him... [the (c)OTO] elected a dog to lead them... A dog’s Khu never develops because there is no Angel to house within the incarnation. A dog was not chosen to be the vehicle of an incarnating star. [...] Kings and Queens reincarnate. Dogs do not. [...] Today, a dog as O.H.O. is merely funny.

I agree that the article makes "a strong accusation involving the cosmic black lodge, extraterrestrial entities (both good and bad), and exopolitics", and that it may well be "unsuitable material for most of LAShTAL’s readers" (or anyone else).

If the author is correct that dogs do not reincarnate, i would suggest that this is most likely because they are of a higher order of beings than us, and are thus at the point of release from reincarnation. I am certain that my two dogs are spiritually my superior; it is my fondest hope to reincarnate as a dog.

Of course, AL asks, apparently mockingly, if a god is to live in a dog- i would suggest that this might be read in the same spirit as those two age old queries as to the Pope's religion, and where exactly it is that bears defecate.

Also, i would assume the reference to Bill taking 6 years to finish his undergraduate work is a bit of a left-handed compliment.


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13/10/2018 10:22 pm  

@ignant666
The article didn’t really capture my attention, i guess the author sees dogs in a low context ; but i do know professors that can rant on about every aspect of love but not know it . I’m sure your dogs know it better and can provide a better therapy !


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14/10/2018 12:00 am  

As to my characterization of the article saying Breeze is “a sort of semi-human zombie creature”, see, eg,

…..Scepticism scepticism where for art thou scepticism?

Anyway, I think the god-dog Liber Al issue is best understood when we seek the etymology of this strange noun...or verb (?) "God". It means master i.e. as in something higher than that which is 'lower'. I don't know the etymology of the word 'dog' but is it a coincidence that it is 'god' in reverse and did this word 'dog' appear after some canines became our best friend and servants via taming/domestication?

In other words there is no species-bias as such in that statement as it is a way of asking does 'the master' live in 'the servant'?


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14/10/2018 1:03 am  

I'm not saying Breeze is not fully human, but rather some sort of soulless elemental, david- the article Serpent 252 linked to, that i quoted, is saying this. The reason i pointed this out is that Tiger read only the very sarcastic intro, and mistakenly thought it was pro-(c)OTO.

I will admit that the picture of him on the cover of Wasserman's book totally gives me the creeps. He does look fully compatible with what i would imagine a semi-human zombie creature would look like, except that i tend to doubt there are such beings.


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14/10/2018 1:37 am  

Ok, dom, the etymology of the word dog:

Dog
- From Middle English dogge, doke, doge ("mutt, pooch, mongrel, cur"), from Old English docga ("hound, breed of powerful dogs"), diminutive of docce ("muscle"), of unknown origin, perhaps from Proto-Germanic dukkǭn ("power, strength, muscle"), from Proto-Indo-European dʰeu-k- ("spin, shake").

- Attested 13th century as noun, early 16th century as verb.

(source: TheSage English Dictionary and Thesaurus, v. 7.5, Standard (free) version)


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14/10/2018 11:58 am  

Proto-Germanic dukkǭn (“power,

Sort of in line with my guess.


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14/10/2018 10:16 pm  

@ignant666

Regarding creeps: ignant666, do you have at hand The Black Lodge of Santa Cruz by Satyr (The Kaos-Babalon Press, 2002; circulated on the internet as .pdf which has “Printing: Allowed” & all other usual editing (e.g., copying) “Not Allowed”)?

The thing I will admit gives me the creeps (related to one B.B.) can be found on the pages 53-54, especially this one from the bottom of the p.53:

“(...) David and I were at my house, and the phone rang. I answered, and an unpleasantly cheerful voice said, “This is Bill Breeze. (...)” (...)” (my italics)

The book can be downloaded here.


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15/10/2018 5:37 pm  

Ig: if a god is to live in a dog

This. Like many other references in AL, is extracted from the old Zen koan: “Is a dog endowed with the Buddha nature?” Alan Watts said the answer is “No, but it’s pronounced No-oh-oh-oh-oh.” (echo effect).

S252: The Black Lodge of Santa Cruz

A great tale, mostly about can go wrong ... even worse in many ways than the tale of the latter years of Solar Lodge.

My un-named source, who was close to the "Santa Cruz" action, informed me that Methamphetamine was involved throughout the adventure, and that our own Keith418 (a sporadic poster who we haven't heard from in a while) was one of the key players. Keith, so I was told, has has/had set himself up as the "moral judge and guardian of the OTO." This was all told to me and so it is heresay, um, hearsay. Keith418 can be found on Facebook.


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15/10/2018 9:03 pm  

This. Like many other references in AL, is extracted from the old Zen koan: “Is a dog endowed with the Buddha nature?” Alan Watts said the answer is “No, but it’s pronounced No-oh-oh-oh-oh.” (echo effect).

There are many references in AL to that one koan or other koans?


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17/10/2018 4:55 am  

“VIII
I cling unto the burning Æthyr like Lucifer that fell through the Abyss, and by the fury
of his flight kindled the air.
And I am Belial, for having seen the Rose upon thy breast, I have denied God.
And I am Satan! I am Satan! I am cast out upon a burning crag! And the sea boils
about the desolation thereof. And already the vultures gather, and feast upon my flesh.
The Vision and the Voice, The Cry of the 2nd Æthyr which is called ARN “

The Black Lodge of Santa Cruz
interesting read

did not quite understand it
it reminded me of another enochian person and his ordeals which was posted at Lashtal years ago

what i got out of it on a political level and some possible magical war being played at another level was that some order member took an oath to the caliphate started a bifurcation and breeze got a hold of him and reminded him of that oath and a cowering and submission happened .

so why does one take an oath to the caliphate ?

and current156 ?


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17/10/2018 5:58 am  

reading The Black Lodge of Santa Cruz
was like the earthling Æthyr dropping in and mixing in with the other Æthyrs
and emerging back out tinged with a little something out of the extra ordinary
and happy to be back home

and perhaps a period among other things


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