according to Shiva
WTF does he know?
Why then, did the Most High make the Sephirah, Chesed included on the Pillar of Mercy?
To balance Power over on the other side.
Jupiter is prosperity? There is a rumor to that effect ("wishful thinking") ... for Jupiter runs The Wheel of Fortune Casino. The wheel turns. Different financial statements occur - like rotating aeons.
There are certain folks who have the Midas-touch. In Human Design, they are called "Manifestors." The rest of us have to work hard and ride the Ferris Wheel of Fortune.
Why then, did the Most High make the Sephirah, Chesed included on the Pillar of Mercy?
Money and Wealth are two different things. The latter is a more accurate attribution of Chesed
As you caricaturely asked, are there any left money lords
It's an unfortunate stereotype that the left hates money. Unfortunate in that even far left ideologies like communism aren't against things like commerce.
He also issued an Emblems paper, not given a Liber Number at all, that told the ninth secret
Oh yes the big "secret". Meanwhile, Bardon, Evola, and de Naglowska are working with Randolph''s ideas, Pierre Bernard, who Leah Hirsig's sister was involved with, is teaching Tantric derived ideas, the Adonists have their own system of sex magick, and Kremmerz, who also influenced Evola, is writing about "operations using two vessels". All around the same period.
All around the same period.
It was a busy time in several, semi-connected lineages ... when the ancient, Taoist "secrets" (that already been writ) found there way into the European Arcane Society.
It is said that the "secret" (of secrets) was taught to the Templars by the Sufis, when they were hanging out in the Holy Land. The Holy Land was a Battleground out of Hell, from time to time.
So, if this is true, and I have no reason to believe it is (true), or is not (true), then the mystery was already known by high-ranking Templars and their offshoots (which accounts for essentially every (esoteric) body in Europa.
But, then, as destiny would have it ... It only takes one Randolph, Evola, Reuss, Crowley, or any one of these fine fellows, to write the "secret" down in plain lingo, then have one copy of the many copies get lost, stolen, or discovered after the paper-possessor perished. Yeah, some nitwit, or his snooty brother, pushed that one copy onto the Wild World Web (www = 666). Thus, and not otherwise, the "secret" became revealed in the common marketplace ... and that was the end of that (the secrecy).
These are some silly objections to Marx/marxism, too silly to be worth addressing, even if i were inclined to take your [endlessly offered] bait yet again.
Which i am not, because this topic has been talked to death, and you should review some of the many earlier iterations to learn the answers to your silly questions. Since your mind seems to go in circles, you have (unsurprisingly) asked these questions before.
It was BS. Ignorance is darkness, y'know like the soul of Milton Friedman and Murdoch, Nigel Farrage etc etc.
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
A regular Megiddo.
But, then, as destiny would have it ... It only takes one Randolph, Evola, Reuss, Crowley, or any one of these fine fellows, to write the "secret" down in plain lingo, then have one copy of the many copies get lost, stolen, or discovered after the paper-possessor perished. Yeah, some nitwit, or his snooty brother, pushed that one copy onto the Wild World Web (www = 666). Thus, and not otherwise, the "secret" became revealed in the common marketplace ... and that was the end of that (the secrecy).
There really were a lot of connections between groups, probably more than many people think. Randolph's writings got distributed to a lot of people, including the early OTO. Maria even did translations. There were a few people who had access to them who also had connections with just about everyone else, Gustav Meyrink being one of those. Kremmerz was an alchemist, both physical and spiritual. There's some overlap between the Adonists and the Fraternitas Saturni too.
Randolph wrote about it before Crowley, it got distributed all around, a couple of other people found it on their own, so the "secret" was never really a secret to begin with, or at least not one solely possessed by the OTO.
A regular Megiddo.
The battleground is the world, especially in modern times. It was bad in Dickens's time then it improved a bit but Satan has had the upper hand since Eisenhower's time and especially since the late 1970s A.D.
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
Satan
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Yes , Satan, see Blake's famous quote about mills. Blake, someone that AC admired a lot. Keeping it Crowley-related for ya there.
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
It was bad in Dickens's time
Yeah. But the badness involved the cities. Lots of folks still lived in the fields and forests. One could cite differences with today, but the principle is the same.
Yes , Satan, see Blake's famous quote about mills
Windmills? Yes, I see, Don Q and Sancho. Dragons.
I recorded the "Golden Eisenhower days of my youth" in my bio. Everything was cool, stable, cheap. Petrol at 19 cents a gallon. Model A Ford's available everywhere for $5 to $75. Nice weather. Lots of food.
I lived right there in the middle of The San Fernando Valley: Lockheed, Martin, US Air Force one mile away. Redstone rockets fired up in the evening out over the western hills - rumbles and a red glow. Daily sonic booms as the birds fly past. My father worked in one of these mills. Oh. This was the Hub of The Military-Industrial Complex ... that Eisenhower warned us about as he left office.
What a bold thing for an outgoing pres to do ... point one's finger at the present location of The Black Lodge.
With the ownership of the M-I Complex in the hands of those of inherited wealth, I see we come full circle and are on-topic again.
Yeah, let me cut to the chase (and capture) - Marxism specifically calls out inherited wealth as the enemy of mankind. I came across inherited wealth from another vector. With Crowley being such an aristocratic by-product of inherited money (not necessarily wealth), he kept his nose high even after he spent all his funds on adventures and Equinoxes.
I don't think Marx fits into AL, as that text speaks of Rich Men coming from the West. The only way it (Marxism) would fit in would be for someone (volunteers?) to attain 8=3 and then form an Order, dependent upon themselves (not some A.'.A.'. leaning-post), and issue their version of One Star up There, including Marxist, or Marxist-like, procedures in the Outer Order.
The Inner Order is exempt from any such rules or any terrestrial mish-mash, so that part needs no concern.
Y'know what Brits and Europeans find amazing is that most Americans identify as being "middle class" when they're not. Surgeons, Drs, Lawyers from elite law firms ...anyone who can afford to live in exclusive neighbourhoods where you have 5 or 6 bedrooms....that's what we accurately call 'the middle class' (bourgeoise) in Europe.
In reality you are only middle class if you are earning the top 20% (or maybe it's a lesser %) in the income food chain. Yeah you may have a big ass car or two in your driveway but If you're a guy who makes screws in a factory or demolishes buildings or delivers the mail for a living you ain't middle class you're a prole or petit bourgeoise....(lower middle class i.e. not really a ghetto child as such). This is testament to past massive efforts to kill off glaringly obvious class consciousness by a financial elite who own most of the wealth.
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
Y'know what Brits and Europeans find amazing is that most Americans identify as being "middle class" when they're not. Surgeons, Drs, Lawyers from elite law firms ...anyone who can afford to live in exclusive neighbourhoods where you have 5 or 6 bedrooms....that's what we accurately call 'the middle class' (bourgeoise) in Europe.
In reality you are only middle class if you are earning the top 20% (or maybe it's a lesser %) in the income food chain. Yeah you may have a big ass car or two in your driveway but If you're a guy who makes screws in a factory or demolishes buildings or delivers the mail for a living you ain't middle class you're a prole or petit bourgeoise....(lower middle class i.e. not really a ghetto child as such). This is testament to past massive efforts to kill off glaringly obvious class consciousness by a financial elite who own most of the wealth.
I am amazed that modern people would still use archaic Marxists terms like "Bourgeoise" to describe a certain "class" of people. In America under proper leadership at the top we have enjoyed the highest living standard of any nation on earth. Because of the leftists in Washington today, a war against the Middle class is being waged by people still warped and convinced that Marx's failed theory still has validity. Would you mind telling me what you mean by: "This is testament to past massive efforts to kill off glaringly obvious class consciousness by a financial elite who own most of the wealth" Why would these greedy financial elites have any interest in killing off glaringly obvious class consciousness? Anyway, anyone who might think that I am "off topic " Just read the preceding comment.
Because you are so woefully ignorant as to economic conditions, and understand very little about politics, and especially because you insist on using words you do not understand the meaning of (eg "Marxism"), this argument is not going to go well for you. But feel free to continue, as long as you can abide by the site guidelines in doing so.
You would also do well to stop getting your information from far-right propaganda sources, as they exist to lie to you to induce you to support policies which screw you and me and other middle-class and working class folks for the benefit of the minute fraction of Americans who are ultra-rich.
In America under proper leadership at the top we have enjoyed the highest living standard of any nation on earth.
No serious person actually thinks this is so. Few analyses would even put the USA in the top 10 of countries for standard of living. See eg
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/standard-of-living-by-country
And of course the economy is currently doing much better under Biden than it did under Trump (or under either Bush, or Reagan, or Ford, or Nixon (which is all the "proper" (ie Republican) leaders since 1968)).
The US economy always booms when Dems are in charge, and tanks when the Repubs get back in (this despite the fact that those Dems always also have to cope with huge budget deficits and recessions caused by Republican economic policies).
Because of the leftists in Washington today, a war against the Middle class is being waged by people still warped and convinced that Marx's failed theory still has validity.
This is inane and wrong on a lot of levels.
First, the Democratic Party, which controls the Presidency and the Senate, is a very far from Marxist organization. Rather, the US Democratic Party is a pro-capitalist party with zero interest in any of what "Marxism" actually advocates. The Democrats do not advocate for, or push policy towards, democratic/social ownership of the means of production (ie ending private ownership of factories, offices, and other places where economic activity takes place); they also do not advocate or push policy towards taxation which eliminates inherited wealth. These are the minimum possible standards by which one could reasonably describe anyone as "Socialist" or "Marxist".
Second, the US economy is doing better than it has in a very long time, despite the need to recover from a devastating international pandemic that killed millions and disrupted the world economy.
The US economy has had the strongest recovery from the pandemic of any large country.
Unemployment is very low- there are more working-age Americans working than at any time since the 2008 financial crisis, wages are up for the first time in decades, inflation has decreased for more than 11 months in a row, etc etc.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/07/its-hot-economy-summer.html
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/07/bidens-unpopularity-is-more-mysterious-than-it-looks.html
For about the millionth time, i want to point out that this forum is simply not the pace to discuss politics, and i urge you (and everyone else) to stop these threads and posts.
@ignant666 Baiting you is easier than baiting a trout. I don't care what you think, and I will continue to comment on subjects of interest to me. If you don't like living in the U.S. then leave. Scream at david-lemieux for starting this discussion. I just responded to it.
I will continue to comment on subjects of interest to me.
As i said in the post you are replying to, "feel free to continue, as long as you can abide by the site guidelines in doing so." Do what thou wilt, son.
If you don't like living in the U.S. then leave.
And of course the same applies to you, buddy-boy.
If you are so unhappy because "leftists in Washington today" are waging "a war against the Middle class", move to Russia, or Hungary, or some other right-wing paradise with politics more to your liking. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
But since things are going so well in the US under the wise leadership of Joe Biden, i think i'll stay right here in the US of A, where hamburgers sizzle on an open griddle night and day.
Scream at david-lemieux for starting this discussion. I just responded to it.
Not mad at david for starting or posting in this thread, or at you for posting your inane and uninformed reply. Just pointing out that threads on politics are a waste of time and energy.
I happen to have plentiful surpluses of both time and energy, so i am willing to engage in some pushback when unusually idiotic material is posted, as here, but this, like every other lashtal politics thread ever, is a pointless discussion.
BTW, you should note that posts intended to "bait" other posters are in violation of the site Guidelines.
But, back to our current topic: how the US economy is booming under the wise leadership of President Joe "Dark Brandon" Biden.
Things are so good that Joe recently received a stunning endorsement from far-right Republican loony Congresswomen Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Jewish Space Lasers)
Joe Biden had the largest public investment in social infrastructure and environmental programs, that is actually finishing what FDR started, that LBJ expanded on, and Joe Biden is attempting to complete. Programs to address education, medical care, urban problems, rural poverty, transportation, Medicare, Medicaid, labor unions, and he still is working on it.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1681424737384435713
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/19/politics/biden-mtg-campaign-ad/index.html
To be fair, it should be noted that MTG thinks all those things that she correctly notes Joe is doing/has done are bad things.
@ignant666 Oh yeah, Happy Days are here again! Hey Buddy, can you loan me a dime?
This is testament to past massive efforts to kill off glaringly obvious class consciousness by a financial elite who own most of the wealth.
Thank you for your opinion, which may be accurate, but which does not deal with the thread's topic. As far as I can tell, all Thelemites are middle class. The lower class owes its soul to the company store, endless physical labor. The upper class doesn't work - they have inherited wealth to get them by. I do not know of any Thelemites who dig ditches, mine coal, mix concrete, yet are short on funds. I do not know of any wealthy folks who will give it up to find their Will.
So here we are. A bunch of middle class yoyos who represent a problem for the deep Establishment.
... as long as you can abide by the site guidelines in doing so.
Poster should take care to link their dribbles to Thelema, the other half of this topic. We don't give half a can of Shinola about anyone's views on any political topic whatsover unless it can be linked, fused, or embedded in AC's work, which he said was Thelema.
i'll stay right here in the US of A, where hamburgers sizzle on an open griddle night and day.
Previously, not even so long ago, there were places to go that afforded a more relaxed lifestyle, which is necessary to perform Yoga, as stated by Perdurabo, such as Mexico, Canada, Belize, Costa Rica ... but not any more, at least in my mind.
... threads on politics are a waste of time and energy.
But the obsessed feel it is their Will to run the program that is bottled up inside them, freely using up time and chi, and the forebearance of others. In the olde days, if one went about babbling nonsense on a regular basis, the people would simply kill the babbler (the original cure for insanity). Later, but before our day, the people became weak and merciful, and they simply locked up the babbler in a dark and unpleasant place.
Insert: During my studies in psychology ("the study of the Soul," not mind), our professor, an actively-practicing psyche doc, arranged for us to attend the circus of the lost in the mental health facilty, which was much like a prison. The administrator of the facility entertained us with a one-hour lecture that demonstrated things were not much different from the days of Count Dracula.
Today, we only have the power of a locked account, and we mighty magicians are not powerful enough to do the locking. Such is the state of impasse induced ...
[sigh]
you should note that posts intended to "bait" other posters are in violation of the site Guidelines.
I think my [sigh] could be considered "bait." but it leaves very little room for any sort of reply as it is barely responsible.
i'll stay right here in the US of A, where hamburgers sizzle on an open griddle night and day.
If you still love our country, I guess there is hope for you.
I've always found this thread a strange one. There's probably some Thelemites who are Marxists or Socialists, and why not. I remember a few years ago coming across a suggestion that the Greek word 'Thelema' was somewhat archaic, but the meaning was much more like God's will, or a universal will, rather than the will of the individual – the universal will being refracted as a plethora of apparent individual wills. This interpretation lends itself in my opinion to a communitarian view.
@michael-staley It is Marxism's denial of the sanctity of the individual as opposed to the communal that is the most hateful aspect of Marxism and Socialism. People who support or believe in Marxist doctrine are on a fool's errand. They are in fact, "anti-human."
Personally I don't have a lot of truck with the supposed "sanctity of the individual". I've always been taken with the idea that existence is akin to a play in which the one actor, Brahma, is playing all the roles; however, he's so immersed in each role that he's lost sight of his universality, that he's playing all the parts.
A few decades ago I came across Advaita Vedanta, which for my money (not that I'm a rich man) via universal will is the key to Thelema, and I think that the first chapter of The Book of the Law bears this out.
So no, I don't happen to hold with this view that Thelema is about the sanctity of the individual will.
@michael-staley Interesting, considering that Liber Oz is all about the sanctity of the individual.
the meaning was much more like God's will, or a universal will, rather than the will of the individual
This was, and always has been, my understanding of who the Thou is in the phrase. Anyone, anywhere, who thinks the Thelemic Circus is here so that the clowns can run around, doing whatever clownish thing they will (want, desire), is mistaken and should have their credentials revoked.
This is also a living example, surely noted or experienced by anyone, that the most glorious and elevated concepts get appropriated by the ego, which claims authority over the concept (being its creator), and things run downhill from there.
So no, I don't happen to hold with this view that Thelema is about the sanctity of the individual will.
I believe that the Crowleyan dogma states that The Aeon of Horus is about the child, as opposed to mommy or daddy, and that the individual is (to be) the critical element in any society. This, of course, echoes elements of Japanese culture (respect is primary), and suggests human rights ...
... but nowhere is Will described as being something unique to an individual. As a matter of oral transmission, Frater Aquarius stated that Will is nothing more that the one thing you were going to focus on, to the exclusion of everything else (emphasis on an imperative that suggests dhyana) ... and to be ready to change it at a moment's notice (more emphasis on being flexible).
This simple definition happens to coincide with the conditions encountered while in wu-wei, which is the same thing as doing God's Will (the universal one). and you will know fast if you're kidding yourself because some will break, crash, or spin off (topic). It's a matter of trial and error, the whole Path, and the bottom line is that the individual is a burden, unless engaged (at least to some extent) in the universal program.
Interesting, considering that Liber Oz is all about the sanctity of the individual.
You're now moving into the territory of equating Thelema with Crowley's pronouncements, which in my opinion is mistaken. I don't have a high opinion of Liber OZ, with its accent on the individual's will.
existence is akin to a play in which the one actor, Brahma, is playing all the roles; however, he's so immersed in each role that he's lost sight of his universality, that he's playing all the parts.
This is a quaint allegory in the Outer Order.
It is a distinct possibility in the Inner Order, and flickers into "reality" from time to time.
In the Third Order, upstairs, membership in which is dependent upon attaining samadhi with attendant loss of separate self, the quaint allegory is nothing more than the living truth.
Obviously one should define exactly what is meant by Marxism before answering the question. Since people like toadstoolwe "think" that even the Democrats in the USA are marxist it only seems logical to answer the OT with yes. I would say that the preferrence or rejection of any economic system is totally irrelevant when it comes to being a Thelemite. White supremacism, racism, misogyny, hard-core right-wing religious fundamentalism, that's what is totally incompatible with Thelema.
@the_real_simon_iff A point of clarification. Not all Democrats are Marxist. The DNC has been highjacked by the Marxist influenced left. I think it is odd that you think "White supremacy, racism, and mysonogy, are totally incompatible to Thelema" when Aleister Crowley was all of these things.
You're now moving into the territory of equating Thelema with Crowley's pronouncements, which in my opinion is mistaken. I don't have a high opinion of Liber OZ, with its accent on the individual's will.
Can you explain why you don't have a high opinion of Liber OZ?
@toadstoolwe I surely won't discuss politics with you. It's like "discussing" with flat-earthers, the initial fun is very short-lived and not worth my time (try Ignant). But yes, I do not think that AC was a prime example of a Thelemite.
@the_real_simon_iff Fine by me. You never wrote that AC was not a prime example of Thelema. You wrote that White Supremacy, misogyny, and racism were not compatible with Thelema. I say the White supremacy, misogyny, and racism ARE the basis of Thelema, with some esoteric mumbo-jumbo mixed in.
You never wrote that AC was not a prime example of Thelema.
You might read it again. That's exactly what I wrote.
I say the White supremacy, misogyny, and racism ARE the basis of Thelema, with some esoteric mumbo-jumbo mixed in.
As to "your theory" of what Thelema's basis is, I am of course not surprised at all. A lot of that scum is drawn to Thelema because of their ridiculous dreams of gaining power and a license to "live" their megalomaniac war fantasies. Usually these are mainly impotent adolescent incels who move on after a while to "the real thing", but obviously not always.
And of course that is not "fine with me".
I am more with Michael here, Liber AL and the Holy Books point to something completely different.
White supremacy, misogyny, and racism ARE the basis of Thelema, with some esoteric mumbo-jumbo mixed in.
DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.
I know we all succumb from time to time, but engaging with this, umm, person is clearly a waste of time. His uninformed bigotry adds zero value to this place.
Ignore him and he will go away eventually, or more likely will get himself banned; he is about one outburst away from the ban-hammer.
@the_real_simon_iff Just telling it like it is. Crowley was an unabashed White British Colonialist, he regarded women as merely vessels for his psycosexualesotericism, and he openly admired Hitler as a personification of Liber vel Legis. "The Law of the Strong over the Weak".
If Marxism could be summarized as a realization that some men had become systematically alienated from their higher potential, then one could say that Crowley could be in league with Marx, as Crowley's whole message concerned a path whereby the individual identified with Revelation, confirmed by science, by which genius of the true will was recognized and awakened towards expression in the world of the happiness of the individual, to which Crowley's system, was a class, Thelemites, whose work is dedicated to what is a class in itself, all of humanity aka "Every man and woman is a star" having the potential to become not alienated identity as a star.
Economically Crowley was an artisan, as belonging to a class of what would be working class and thus his Magick in Theory and Practice is really for the artisan class of any skills set, from gross to refined.
Crowley used metaphor from chemistry to explain reactions to elements, and thus saw different people's having different roles, and that he had a nationalistic orientation that at the same time was subsumed by a larger class in itself orientation, a universal humanism one might say...that also saw man amongst other species in the universe, so the universe is not just some humanistic eddy in the stream, but conversant with other intelligence in the universe, and where Marx's warning about religion as opium of the people might be construed relative to attacks on the "crapulous creeds"
How fully this advances the discussion, or puts it to bed, is yet to be seen, hopefully the latest bait by the detective might not get chomped by the individualist called we, with the unofficial rules committees ready to pounce, and the wheel gets stuck once again in what Marx and Crowley might agree are symptoms of alienation...
A quite nice post, much of which i agree with.
Economically Crowley was an artisan, as belonging to a class of what would be working class
AC inherited a considerable amount of money, which he blew on various extravagances. He mostly thereafter lived by sponging on his followers. Occasionally he earned small sums from writing.
How on earth can this be described as being "working class", or economically an "artisan"?
unofficial rules committees ready to pounce
There is no "unofficial rules committee". There are some official rules, that you, and everyone else, must follow.
Very few people seem to have any trouble with this. In fact, the only ones who seem to have any problem with, or objection to, obeying the rules are you and the Toad.
Fortunately, there is a simple alternative for those whose Mighty Wills, and Even Mightier Intellects, chafe at having to obey rules: Stop posting here.
How fully this advances the discussion, or puts it to bed, is yet to be seen, hopefully the latest bait by the detective might not get chomped by the individualist called we, with the unofficial rules committees ready to pounce, and the wheel gets stuck once again in what Marx and Crowley might agree are symptoms of alienation...
The problem with the "unofficial rules committee" is that they have deluded themselves into think that their interpretation of Crowley's works is the only true doctrine. Any deviation is seen as blasphemous. Not unlike the Pharisees during the ministry of Jesus Christ. As Christ said in Matthew 23, "Woe to you teachers of the Law and Pharisees. You hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside are full of greed and self-indulgence". They have been stagnated and weighed down by their own vanity.
ERRATUM: ...deluded themselves into thinking"
hopefully the latest bait by the detective
There is a person on this website who baits and trolls, but it’s not “the detective”. I’m sorry that you express sympathy with him.
To get back to the topic of the thread, I’m interested in Thelema and in some aspects of Marxism, but that doesn’t of itself mean that there is a place for Marxism in Thelema, any more than there is for Joni Mitchell or Austin Osman Spare, two passions of mine. On the other hand, both Mitchell and Spare, and countless other artists working in diverse media, are expressing, through their work, inspiration that is generated from and by universal will. That, for me, is the essence of Thelema. If others disagree, citing Crowley as an unimpeachable authority on what is and what isn’t Thelema, well OK, but I think they’re wrong.
@the_real_simon_iff Fine by me. You never wrote that AC was not a prime example of Thelema. You wrote that White Supremacy, misogyny, and racism were not compatible with Thelema. I say the White supremacy, misogyny, and racism ARE the basis of Thelema, with some esoteric mumbo-jumbo mixed in.
Oh, so you're a right thinking liberal who, via Crowleyan mind-expansion, posts on this forum to interact with all the delusional White supremacist, misogynist and racist idiots who wear the mask of Thelema, with some esoteric mumbo-jumbo mixed in? If you're not a covert humanist then you must therefore think that White supremacy, misogyny, and racism is the way to go and you're trying to convert all of the non-racist, non-misogynists here that they are at present weak, delusional and pathetic? Which is it?
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
You have not been around much lately, david.
The Toad is 100% in favor of "White supremacy, misogyny, and racism", and is a big admirer of Hitler, and of Putin's genocide in Ukraine. He is on his last warning before getting banned for repeatedly posting off-topic far-right nut material.
He is troubled by "esoteric mumbo-jumbo", and hates the idea that there is any value in "the Work" that AC so passionately pursued and promulgated.
He is not here "to convert all of the non-racist, non-misogynists"; he is a troll. Do not feed him.
Usually these are mainly impotent adolescent incels who move on after a while to "the real thing", but obviously not always.
Mine eyes have obviously observed that the success rate of actually moving on to, say. the far side of Paroketh, is rather low and might be found around the 1:100 (01%) ratio as a starting point.
How on earth can this be described as being "working class", or economically an "artisan"?
The concepts of middle- and working- (middle-) class, etc, seem to be tumbling in the clothes drier.
The upper class (the elite), usually put in place through the power of inherited wealth, is not required to perform physical labor, but is responsible for the mental labor of getting the lower (workers) class(es) to properly do their jobs ... if this is not done correctly, the lower class(es) will rise up, kill the Lords, and take all their wealth. (which they will then fight over)
The lower (working) class works and obeys the Lord or his enforcers.
This ^ was the state of Europe during The Dark Ages, at the end of which (around 1000 ev) there arose a class of Burghers, who lived in Burgs, which are settlements of folk independent of and away from the OverLords. One could simply find a crossroads or a river crossing, open up a food shack or offer boat rides across, and one becami independent.
This is the key word that defines a middle-class burgher - Independence from the Will of the OverLord, plus they do not work hard, although labor (hauling goods, rowing boats) may be involved.
OverLords do not like independent individuals running around, or setting up, in their locale, so they must gain control. Other than assassinating the burghers, we see that control has been established (long ago) in the form of Taxes.
The current middle class, by logical definition, are those who are independent, not by living as a savage in the jungle or mountains, and not by inherited wealth, but by running their own operation, without wages or grants from above, and by economic support from the wage-earners who buy their goods or services.
This has nothing to do with white people, except in Europe, where everybody was white (1000 ev), started the middle-class of our Western Civilization. Today, people of all persuasions and integument-hue maintain such a middle-position.
Over in China, similar changes took place that paralleled the West, but The Emperors held a firmer grip on the citizenry. Lately, with a certain amount of capitalism being allowed, a large portion of our heathen brethren and even sistrn are turning to independent business o9perations - so much so that China is reconsidering (restricting) its capitalistic allowances.
The middle class is a problematic thorn in the side of the inheritors. In my 20s (60 years ago), I saw that operations were already under way to destroy the middle folk.
the only ones who seem to have any problem with, or objection to, obeying the rules are ...
Without naming names or pointing fingers, I hasten to report that there is a psychological-class of folk who resent authority and hate rules. The source code (imprint) for such a position is found deep inside the first three years of life, then covered over with adulthood. One of the funniest comments I ever hear was when two young ladies were speaking about problems. One made reference to her own Inner Child. he other said, "Sometimes I want to slap your Inner Child."
Inner Children, either expressing a fit-rage or rolling out an obvious agenda between the lines.
This morn has been long on feeding the trolls. One troll says his dtractors are deluded. Stepping back, anyone can see the pathology, and the moderator has already overseen warnings in that direction - he, of course, being the chairman of the unofficial rules committe that enforces the official rules.
He is troubled by "esoteric mumbo-jumbo", and hates the idea that there is any value in "the Work" that AC so passionately pursued and promulgated.
What good was the "Work" that "Crowley so passionately pursued and promulgated" when he died an impoverished heroin addict? It was all a waste of time.
Mine eyes have obviously observed that the success rate of actually moving on to, say. the far side of Paroketh, is rather low and might be found around the 1:100 (01%) ratio as a starting point.
Your eyes are well okay! I wanted to convey that usually the Nazis drawn to Thelema quickly move on to the "real Nazi thing", presumably because they can't stand the esoteric mumbo-jumbo involved with Thelema. I probably was unclear - language barrier and such.
Which is it?
Your choices were so complex that I can hardly remember my gender, color, or caste. But the poster in question has publickly stated here, in hard digits, that he needs to take an anti-psychotic pharmaceutical, and this prevents him from going on solo wilderness expeditions. Please keep this in mind as it may also reflect in his posture and posting.
What good was the "Work" that "Crowley so passionately pursued and promulgated" when he died an impoverished heroin addict? It was all a waste of time.
I have not replied directly to you for some time, but merely made side comments. Buut, butt, unfortunately, this post of yours, posted by you, exhibits an understanding of he Path that is so low that it has no equal among the low men, except for the black (selfish) magicians.
Surely, you must have read somewhere that High Magick has nothing to do with one's status in a world that they are in, but not of ?
I wanted to convey that usually the Nazis drawn to Thelema quickly move on to the "real Nazi thing"
I see and understand. You were referencing the left-hand path, while I was busy downgrading the success rate of the right-hand fork in the path ... and never the twain shall meet, except here, of course.
Your choices were so complex that I can hardly remember my gender, color, or caste. But the poster in question has publickly stated here, in hard digits, that he needs to take an anti-psychotic pharmaceutical, and this prevents him from going on solo wilderness expeditions. Please keep this in mind as it may also reflect in his posture and posting.
I greatly appreciate your kindness and understanding. Yes, because of circumstances beyond my control I will often go off the rails and enter a realm of megalomania and messianic delusion. Thus, my sweeping (and insulting comments) are a by product. I love Aleister Crowley, and we often hurt the ones we love.(Or speak slander of them.)
I have not replied directly to you for some time, but merely made side comments. Buut, butt, unfortunately, this post of yours, posted by you, exhibits an understanding of he Path that is so low that it has no equal among the low men, except for the black (selfish) magicians.
I remind you of Chapter XII: The Left Hand Path-"The Black Brothers" Magick Without Tears "The Two paths are almost identical."
I misquoted. "The two paths ARE identical.".