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Shiva
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Posted by: @david-lemieux

according to Shiva

WTF does he know?

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Why then, did the Most High make the Sephirah, Chesed included on the Pillar of Mercy?

To balance Power over on the other side.

Jupiter is prosperity? There is a rumor to that effect ("wishful thinking") ... for Jupiter runs The Wheel of Fortune Casino. The wheel turns. Different financial statements occur - like rotating aeons.

There are certain folks who have the Midas-touch. In Human Design, they are called "Manifestors." The rest of us have to work hard and ride the Ferris Wheel of Fortune.

 

 


   
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Posted by: @david-lemieux

Why then, did the Most High make the Sephirah, Chesed included on the Pillar of Mercy?   

Money and Wealth are two different things.  The latter is a more accurate attribution of Chesed

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

As you caricaturely asked, are there any left money lords

It's an unfortunate stereotype that the left hates money. Unfortunate in that even far left ideologies like communism aren't against things like commerce.   


   
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Posted by: @shiva

He also issued an Emblems paper, not given a Liber Number at all, that told the ninth secret 

 

Oh yes the big "secret". Meanwhile, Bardon, Evola, and de Naglowska are working with Randolph''s ideas, Pierre Bernard, who Leah Hirsig's sister was involved with, is teaching Tantric derived ideas, the Adonists have their own system of sex magick, and Kremmerz, who also influenced Evola, is writing about  "operations using two vessels". All around the same period.


   
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Posted by: @katrice

All around the same period.

It was a busy time in several, semi-connected lineages ... when the ancient, Taoist "secrets" (that already been writ) found there way into the European Arcane Society.

It is said that the "secret" (of secrets) was taught to the Templars by the Sufis, when they were hanging out in the Holy Land. The Holy Land was a Battleground out of Hell, from time to time.

So, if this is true, and I have no reason to believe it is (true), or is not (true), then the mystery was already known by high-ranking Templars and their offshoots (which accounts for essentially every (esoteric) body in Europa.

But, then, as destiny would have it ... It only takes one Randolph, Evola, Reuss, Crowley, or any one of these fine fellows, to write the "secret" down in plain lingo, then have one copy of the many copies get lost, stolen, or discovered after the paper-possessor perished. Yeah, some nitwit, or his snooty brother, pushed that one copy onto the Wild World Web (www = 666). Thus, and not otherwise, the "secret" became revealed in the common marketplace ... and that was the end of that (the secrecy).

 


   
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These are some silly objections to Marx/marxism, too silly to be worth addressing, even if i were inclined to take your [endlessly offered] bait yet again.

Which i am not, because this topic has been talked to death, and you should review some of the many earlier iterations to learn the answers to your silly questions. Since your mind seems to go in circles, you have (unsurprisingly) asked these questions before.

It was BS.  Ignorance is darkness, y'know like the soul of Milton Friedman and Murdoch, Nigel Farrage  etc etc.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


   
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Posted by: @shiva
  The Holy Land was a Battleground out of Hell, from time to time.

A regular Megiddo.

 

 But, then, as destiny would have it ... It only takes one Randolph, Evola, Reuss, Crowley, or any one of these fine fellows, to write the "secret" down in plain lingo, then have one copy of the many copies get lost, stolen, or discovered after the paper-possessor perished. Yeah, some nitwit, or his snooty brother, pushed that one copy onto the Wild World Web (www = 666). Thus, and not otherwise, the "secret" became revealed in the common marketplace ... and that was the end of that (the secrecy).

There really were a lot of connections between groups, probably more than many people think.  Randolph's writings got distributed to a lot of people, including the early OTO. Maria even did translations.  There were a few people who had access to them who also had connections with just about everyone else, Gustav Meyrink being one of those.  Kremmerz was an alchemist, both physical and spiritual.  There's some overlap between the Adonists and the Fraternitas Saturni too. 

 

Randolph wrote about it before Crowley, it got distributed all around, a couple of other people found it on their own, so the "secret" was never really a secret to begin with, or at least not one solely possessed by the OTO.  

 

 

 

 


   
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  The Holy Land was a Battleground out of Hell, from time to time.

A regular Megiddo.

The battleground is the world, especially in modern times.   It was bad in Dickens's time then it improved a bit but Satan has had the upper hand since Eisenhower's time and especially since the late 1970s A.D.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


   
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Posted by: @david-lemieux

Satan

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Posted by: @david-lemieux

Satan

?

Yes , Satan, see Blake's famous quote about mills. Blake, someone that AC admired  a lot.  Keeping it Crowley-related for ya  there.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


   
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Posted by: @david-lemieux

It was bad in Dickens's time

Yeah. But the badness involved the cities. Lots of folks still lived in the fields and forests. One could cite differences with today, but the principle is the same.

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Yes , Satan, see Blake's famous quote about mills

Windmills? Yes, I see, Don Q and Sancho. Dragons.

I recorded the "Golden Eisenhower days of my youth" in my bio. Everything was cool, stable, cheap. Petrol at 19 cents a gallon. Model A Ford's available everywhere for $5 to $75. Nice weather. Lots of food.

I lived right there in the middle of The San Fernando Valley: Lockheed, Martin, US Air Force one mile away. Redstone rockets fired up in the evening out over the western hills - rumbles and a red glow. Daily sonic booms as the birds fly past. My father worked in one of these mills. Oh. This was the Hub of The Military-Industrial Complex ... that Eisenhower warned us about as he left office.

What a bold thing for an outgoing pres to do ... point one's finger at the present location of The Black Lodge.

With the ownership of the M-I Complex in the hands of those of inherited wealth, I see we come full circle and are on-topic again.

Yeah, let me cut to the chase (and capture) - Marxism specifically calls out inherited wealth as the enemy of mankind. I came across inherited wealth from another vector. With Crowley being such an aristocratic by-product of inherited money (not necessarily wealth), he kept his nose high even after he spent all his funds on adventures and Equinoxes.

I don't think Marx fits into AL, as that text speaks of Rich Men coming from the West. The only way it (Marxism) would fit in would be for someone (volunteers?) to attain 8=3 and then form an Order, dependent upon themselves (not some A.'.A.'. leaning-post), and issue their version of One Star up There, including Marxist, or Marxist-like, procedures in the Outer Order.

The Inner Order is exempt from any such rules or any terrestrial mish-mash, so that part needs no concern.

 


   
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