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16/01/2020 11:30 pm  

From the Confessions of Aleister Crowley: “We crossed to Tangiers without delay and I reveled once more and rejoiced to feel myself back among the only people on earth with whom I have ever felt any human affinity. My spiritual self is at home in China, but my heart and my hand are pledged to the Arab.”

 

Wouldn't you say it was significant that AC's major spiritual crises (post Stockholm) were in The Middle East ie Cairo and then the Algerian desert and the other in China?   Could these events have taken place in e.g. Wisconsin, Hull and/or Seattle?    


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17/01/2020 1:10 am  
Posted by: @dom

Wouldn't you say it was significant that AC's major spiritual crises (post Stockholm) were in The Middle East ie Cairo and then the Algerian desert and the other in China?

Significant in what way?

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Could these events have taken place in e.g. Wisconsin, Hull and/or Seattle?  

They could have done - there's no reason why they couldn't take place anywhere in theory - but in his case and under his particular set of circumstances they didn't. 

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17/01/2020 6:50 am  

There are some spiritual centers, or gardens to tend described for NEMO in The Vision & The Voice and they have been assigned some geographical regions in the 13th Aethyr:

 

And I said: Are all gardens like unto this garden?

And he waved his hand, and in the Aire across the valley appeared an island of coral, rosy, with green palms and fruit-trees, in the midst of the bluest of the seas 11.

And he waved his hand again, and there appeared a valley shut in by mighty snow mountains, and in it were pleasant streams of water, rushing through, and broad rivers, and lakes covered with lilies 12.

And he waved his hand again, and there was a vision, as it were of an oasis in the desert  13

And again he waved his hand, and there was a dim country with grey rocks, and heather, and gorse, and bracken 15.

And he waved his hand yet again, and there was a park, and a small house therein, surrounded by yews 15

 

These in turn are assigned to:

 

  • 11. The South Seas.
  • 12. Kashmir.
  • 13. The Sahara.
  • 14. The Highlands of Scotland.
  • 15. A certain secret house of the Great White Brotherhood. Yews, and certain other trees, as Persian Nuts, are used to indicate to passing initiates that they have there a resting place.

 

So at least Boleskine and Sahara can be fit to those regions mentioned.

 

Also the Kashmir are also mentioned above, where K2 and other mountains are located and where some of Crowley's mountaineering feats took place.

 

I personally think the Gobi desert would have also been a fitting region (at least for the evocation of Choronzon episode by Neuburg & Crowley), with all the legends surrounding olgoi-khorkhoi cryptid to inhabit that desert.

 

 

If isolation & extreme weather and surrounding conditions of nature play a part here, I personally think some sort of South Pole/North Pole expeditions may have worked as well for the scenery.

 

Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.


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17/01/2020 3:39 pm  

Not to forget the vision of the Star Sponge occurring in the wilderness of New Hampshire.

 

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17/01/2020 7:26 pm  
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Not to forget the vision of the Star Sponge occurring in the wilderness of New Hampshire.

Perhaps some view the New Hampshire woods as more exotic than i? Or am i missing something here?


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17/01/2020 7:35 pm  

T'was my way of saying that a. important mystical events can happen anywhere so I don't think there is special significance in the locations of the Middle East and China in regards to AC's attainments.  He wrote the Confessions after he went to those countries and found that he liked them/resonated with their cultures. (in answer to Dom) and b.  They don't have to be exotic either.  Though NH may be exotic for some people 🙂  


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17/01/2020 7:51 pm  

Some charges against the Sufis have been that some of them claim that one doesn’t need to go to Mecca and that The Hajj can be carried out and take place in ones room.

If you can’t make it physically to the secret space of the Sabbat
one can enter into the extra dimensional locus of the Sabbat dream with such potency that the profane world will become pallid and unreal in comparison . And there partake in the vehemence .


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17/01/2020 9:43 pm  
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The Hajj can be carried out and take place in ones room.

Next some heretic will suggest that Boleskine isn't the Kaaba/ritual east!

In the other AA (the one without masonic dots after the letters), they call going on pilgrimages and seeking wisdom in exotic places "doing a geographical." As the hippies used to say, and perhaps still do (haven't spoken to one in years) "Wherever you go, there you are."


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18/01/2020 10:23 am  

@ignant

I guess any 'exotic place' is fucked so long as capitalism reigns there eh?

@behemoth

Great points there on the practicality of isolated places  for, well, 'trance-inducement'.    AL 1:61 mentions  deserts at night.   

 


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18/01/2020 2:27 pm  

Hardly what i was saying, david. My point was that geography is irrelevant to spiritual discovery.

There is the Sufi parable of the man who lost a key in his house, but was looking for it under the blazing noon sun in the middle of the street, because the light was better there. This is the kind of heretical teaching Tiger mentioned, since it makes the point that the true Hajj must be internal.


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18/01/2020 2:32 pm  
Posted by: @dom

Great points there on the practicality of isolated places  for, well, 'trance-inducement'.    AL 1:61 mentions  deserts at night

The "point" though, is for such 'hermits' to be able to do it (=trance-inducement, receptivity) not on the "mountain", or in the "forest", or even in the isolated depths of the "desert", but in the midsts of a bustling city.  As not only Aiwass but Alastor remarked in several instances (although not able to provide any on the spur of this moment), to Achad himself as well I believe.

In which  case, why not "Wisconsin", "Hull", and even "Seattle"?  Not as pretty to you maybe but...

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