Yes Amelia would probably say to just love ignorant, than react to his racist "token negro" slur.
Even Russia has given up on that whole "We are de-Nazifying Ukraine by trying to invade it" line, and is just straight-up admitting they want the land and resources of everything that was ever part of the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union. Your rhetoric is not keeping up with the current Kremlin party line.
You aren't even good at personal abuse, and are just hopeless at logical argument or providing evidence or citations to back up your ravings.
Far- right raving nutty trolls are a threat to the reputation of the forum. There was already one Fruitcake Factory forum. Is this the guy who is on meds or was that toadstoolwe?
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
@shiva Yes Amelia would probably say to just love ignorant, than react to his racist "token negro" slur.
Who is Amelia? Who is "his?" Why are you addressing me with unknown factors?
Read the thread and watch the link.
Because you have butt in with comments that now demonstrate that you are not informed and just adding to the imbalance.
Read the thread and watch the link.
I am vision-impaired and "watch" implies videos that I am forbidden (niyama) to attend.
comments that now demonstrate that you are not informed
I remain informed. Said comments were a subtle hint to include blockquotes in order to remain in full context and to point out that politics has been insinuated into the thread and the fall of The Great Imbalance debuted (de-butted?) with the name LaRoach.
just adding to the imbalance.
Uh-huh.
@shiva I guess you will next say that your are deaf as well so you don't have to listen to a talk...conservation of eyesight might be served by not reading and writing on blogs...yeah go take the toke on the roach...they say it helps with ocular pressure...
comments on block quotes are under advisement, but politics have not been introduced, merely metaphors with respect to the OP....and not folding masonic napkins from the laundry
I guess you will next say that your are deaf as well
My auditory function blew out in a 1959 solid rocket fuel explosion. Fortunately, it still worked in one auditory apparatus (the left) during my professional career. Toward the end, a few folks suggested I get a hearing aid. After retirement, it ran down fast. No phones, TV, conversations at or nearer than the unsocial distance of 18 inches.
I am not practicing pratyahara (withdrawal from the senses) - Pratyahara is carrying me away.
I shall now render-tender my resignation as the context shire-reeve. Liber Ozzy's for everyone ... and please do not send the aAssassininis for thwarting anyone's rights.
go take the toke on the roach...they say it helps with ocular pressure...
Ocular Pressure is not the problem. Please do not dispense medical advice without first presenting your medical credentials.
politics have not been introduced, merely metaphors with respect to the OP
Yes, it is a pleasure watching a master who knows how to play it on the edge. Holy cow, one time I was sitting in a small card game with a Major. Um, the officers aren't supposed to be fraternizing, let along gamblimg, with the enlisted men. There was also a bottle. The Major waxed observant and told me I had that ability ("the edge" thing).
So I know what you're doing. You have an agenda - to tell about FEMA and the Troopers, about the medical atricities being performed at the genetic and nano levels, about the mad scientists and the phony pols. Look, anybody who wants that can just go to newstarget.com - it is the far end of the spectrum, essentially dedicated to survival in the face of a world gone mad.
not folding masonic napkins from the laundry
Maybe that's the problem. Dammit, the napkins must be folded neatly.
Is this the guy who is on meds or was that toadstoolwe?
That's Toadstool, by his own statement.
My auditory function blew out in a 1959 solid rocket fuel explosion.
No doubt following in the footsteps of Jack Parsons...so now you are nearly blind and deaf, next we will learn that the tong cut out your tongue out concerning your now dispersed library... glad to know that the fingers are still pecking away...
Ocular Pressure is not the problem. Please do not dispense medical advice without first presenting your medical credentials.
You were the one mentioning drug lingo and complaining in public about sight issues... your right there was no reason to mention any materialistic remedy and upset the tong's malady machine...better apply Christian Science...Regardie thought highly of it!
So I know what you're doing. You have an agenda
Of course you have no agenda...23 Skidoo the greatest snow vehicle on earth...
the Major waxed observant and told me I had that ability ("the edge" thing).
it must be that edge thing you just unsheathed and waived about...now no wiping that thing on the napkins.
No doubt following in the footsteps of Jack Parsons...
No Shinola on those shoes ! We shot off missiles in the same general area as Parsons, usually going deeper into the desert. And this was before I ever heard the words, Aleister or Thelema.
now you are nearly blind
Not at all. Being over 75, I am required to submit my eyes in-person to the Driver License Tong in order to see if I can be allowed on the road.
nearly ... deaf
Yeah. Pratyahara. Less distractions.
next we will learn that the tong cut out your tongue out concerning your now dispersed library.
Now you are inventing imaginary imagery. You are following Nietzsche. Beware.
better apply Christian Science...Regardie thought highly of it!
Diagnosis: Nietzsche Syndrome now fully activated.
Of course you have no agenda...23 Skidoo
Let's look at it this way. My agenda is, and always has been, to get out. I am therefore the living avatar of the great parrot who sounds the eternal O-U-T, instead of the infinite A-U-M. So as not to appear like a cocky-tool, I remind myself and everyone else that liberation is a state and not an exit. So we're all stuck with "living in hard matter, but not being influenced by it." This is the hard part.
Your agenda appears to be the subtle insertion of topics that represent the most horrible evil conspiracies ever concocted. I omit the traditional word Theories as the validity of such outrageous claims seems to be coming true. You are attempting to illuminate the bastardized Illuminati, otherwise known to believers and disbelievers as The Deep State, The Shadow Gov, and to which I amusingly [mis?]apply the title, The Black Lodge.
In order to keep things aligned, we must necessarily set these (important) things aside ... unless they are related to the Crowley paradigm. So I, the most non-political person around, and Ignant, a pro-one-particular-side proponent, both realize that this current political crap (especially when non-AC related) is injurious to the forums and the site ... and our positions in that matter come into conflict with ... you.
There are, as Ignant the reformed Drug Lord has pointed out, other sites that specialize in politics, or FEMA camps, or graphene oxide, and our Prison Planet.
... no wiping that thing on the napkins.
You are hereby formally recognized (by me) as the equal of Los 8=3. If any one other Tribune seconds this nomination, you will be forever held out in everyon'e mind as a personification of The Universal Joke.
You are hereby summoned to The Dojo - which I will re-open in your honour - in order to show what you've got, other than an excessive amount of the Air element.
Unfortunately we seem to no longer have the capacity to make posts with polls. Because i thought it might be a good idea to ask the community as a whole:
Do you think the forum of the Aleister Crowley Society needs
a) More content pushing the philosophy and politics of Lyndon LaRouche.
b) Less content pushing the philosophy and politics of Lyndon LaRouche.
c) I think that content pushing the philosophy and politics of Lyndon LaRouche is utterly out of place here, since it has nothing at all to do with the life and legacy of AC.
Pretty sure that there would be zero votes, other than @hadgigegenraum's, for "a".
I know that, as a committed LaRouche-ite, you are obliged to follow his entryist demands, and must seek to infiltrate any groups you can, and seek to co-opt them into tools of the LaRouche political cult. Your ongoing efforts to do just that here aren't going to work, and are annoying many.
Why not stick to discussing the life and legacy of AC? Or seek greener pastures for entryist takeover elsewhere?
Shiva getting out might actually require your not theorizing about not theorizing about theories by the use of various nominalization that prevent thought from penetrating you preconceived notion of how one might discuss the subject at hand Justice and injustice in Thelema, to which it is interesting that both you and ignant have mentioned as being post Thelemites for some reason, non reason or because that is just they way that you feel...unfortunately yourself and ignant seem to be entirely freaked out by my inserting on occasion something on philosophy, in this case an article published by the Schiller institute on Plato's dialogues concerning the issue of justice that I though might be helpful to David and others relative to some of his leading questions in line with the discussion.
Franky it is interesting that Socrates is not afraid of death, of the folk folly the trail that mirrors the little mocking trail that you seek to subject me to be cause the mention of Lyndon LaRouche happens to get ignorant foaming at the mouth just as he feels that he is supposed to, just as you feel that one is not allowed to interject political thought into a discussion as though I might interject occultism into a site that is not about occultism...
I think that the problem here is that you feel threatened, when actually perhaps the irony is that aspects of LaRouche's philosophy, to which he actively is a champion of Prometheus, remember fire kids, which does concern certain features of overthrowing the old order, of breaking the boundaries, of freeing humanities creative powers... so is this what freaks you out to start becoming becausers, because i happened to mention LaRouche...actually I do know that LaRouche, like Crowley, let his own ego get in the way of the creative work that was being done by others around him, then again there were real attempts on his life and a railroading after aquital in one trial, we now have associates on the Nato Ukraine hit list....
Yes Promethian are going to have danger and trouble, attacked by the oligarchical faction that fears change, that wants to people enchained with liver destroying concoctions to poison and make humanity fear...is not the Aeon of Horus, of force and fire to overcome such false belief systems.
So was LaRouche doing his will? Was his teaching in line with giving the law, that that genius resides in all mankind not in some special class!
What about Amelia Boynton Robinson, was she doing what Thou wilt when she lead the March over the Edmund Pettis Bridge and was knocked unconscious or is she just some token negress because she would associate with LaRouche to whom she recognized the same strivings as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and to which LaRouche could actually articulate what made King an immortal leader, facing the same attacks as Socrates, of Jesus, of Jean D'arc, of certain qualities that take one out of being a Hamlet to the development of talents
Anyways i am sure more folk folly will be launched my way as a mockery used to stifle, but then the freakout is part of being over target, and it was a methodology that LaRouche actually actively cultivated to cause a certain freakout,,,where this article is probably part of the reason that Ignant was taught to hate LaRouche because LaRouche took on the issue of sexual impotence, of machismo as it referred to politics... in this case, the article in question is The Sexual impotence of the Puerto Rican Socialist Party,
http://www.wlym.com/archive/campaigner/Campaigners1968-76/00TextFiles/SexImpotPSP00wfigs.pdf
that thus we have a treatise on sexuality, inclusive of the sadism of the Virgin Mary, etc...thus perhaps opening new vistas on the Third Chapter....
y my inserting on occasion something on philosophy, in this case an article published by the Schiller institute on Plato's dialogues concerning the issue of justice that I though might be helpful to David and others relative to some of his leading questions in line with the discussion.
If you are interested in the OP, prove it. How about using standard respected proper academic sources?
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
Ignant was taught to hate LaRouche
How about the possibility that he wasn't "taught to hate LaRouche", but has simply read some of his work and doesn't like what he has read? It does happen from time to time that people, y'know, make up their own minds.
Seeing as Crowley was a Cabbalist, to be frank about it, that makes him a Platonist/Neo Platonist as we now know that the Cabballist story about an ancient system passed down by Moses or Adam is a crock of shit. Plato and Kabbalah (newkabbalah.com)
The high point of Platonism, The Republic (the central theme of which is asking us to define 'Justice') acts as a stepping stone to the introduction of metaphysical worlds (the Platonic Forms or, if you like, Atziluth and Briah). I guess you could swallow the Enochian up in that system also (please no thread divergence on that.)
With that said there was therefore a conflict within Crowley as he was fond of quoting Fred (the Dweeb) Nietzsche (particularly in his Liber L comments) who is basically a total physicalist and an enemy of Plato and Socrates. See Twilight of the Idols chapter The problem of Socrates or, well, anything he (Fred) wrote really.
It's not that simple though, Socrates and Plato were anti-democratic insofar as they considered the rabble the demos to be dangerous (easily swayed by idiot tyrants) but Plato did suggest a solution in a rulership of a celibate, iron pumping, metaphysically contemplative Philosopher King/Queen class. The following from Crowley's comment on 2:58 Liber L
Therefore the Kings of the earth shall be Kings for ever: the slaves shall serve. There is none that shall be cast down or lifted up: all is ever as it was) seems to allude to this sort of benign patronizing Fascism;
No one is better aware than I am that the Labour problem has to be settled by practical and not ideal considerations, but in this case the ideal considerations happen to be extremely practical. The mistake has been in trying to produce a standard article to supply the labour market; it is an error from the point of view of capital and labour alike. Men should not be taught to read and write unless they exhibit capacity or inclination. Compulsory education has aided nobody. It has imposed an unwarrantable constraint on the people it was intended to benefit; it has been asinine presumption on the part of the intellectuals to consider a smattering of mental acquirements of universal benefit. It is a form of sectarian bigotry. We should recognize the fact that the vast majority of human beings have no ambition in life beyond mere ease and animal happiness. We should allow these people to fulfill their destinies without interference. We should give every opportunity to the ambitious, and thereby establish a class of morally and intellectually superior men and women. We should have no compunction in utilizing the natural qualities of the bulk of mankind. We do not insist on trying to train sheep to hunt foxes or lecture on history; we look after their physical well-being, and enjoy their wool and mutton. In this way we shall have a contented class of slaves who will accept the conditions of existence as they really are, and enjoy life with the quiet wisdom of cattle. It is our duty to see to it that this class of people lack for nothing. The patriarchal system is better for all classes than any other; the objections to it come from the abuses of it. But bad masters have been artificially created by exactly the same blunder as was responsible for the bad servants. It is essential to teach the masters that each one must discover his own will and do it. There is no reason in nature for cut-throat competition............ It must be clearly understood that every man must find his own happiness in a purely personal way. Our troubles have been caused by the assumption that everybody wanted the same things, and thereby the supply of those things has become artificially limited;
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
Seeing as Crowley was a Cabbalist, to be frank about that makes him a Platonist/Neo Platonist as we now know that the Cabballah as ancient system passed down by Moses or Adam is a crock of shit.
Like Crowley, and indeed many others before and since, I make use of the Qabalah. Does that make me a Platonist/Neo-Platonist?
Seeing as Crowley was a Cabbalist, to be frank about that makes him a Platonist/Neo Platonist as we now know that the Cabballah as ancient system passed down by Moses or Adam is a crock of shit.
Like Crowley, and indeed many others before and since, I make use of the Qabalah. Does that make me a Platonist/Neo-Platonist?
Yeah inadvertently if you never read Plato that is. Then again , how are your geometry skills?
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
Yeah inadvertently if you never read Plato that is.
"Platonism is the view that there exist such things as abstract objects — where an abstract object is an object that does not exist in space or time and which is therefore entirely non-physical and non-mental."
"Neo-Platonism was a philosophical movement inaugurated by Plotinus (AD 204/5 - 270), which reinterpreted the ideas of the ancient Greek philosopher Plato. It argued that the world which we experience is only a copy of an ideal reality which lies beyond the material world."
Categorising gematria as Platonism, or Neo-Platonism, seems to be stretching it a bit.
Yeah inadvertently if you never read Plato that is.
"Platonism is the view that there exist such things as abstract objects — where an abstract object is an object that does not exist in space or time and which is therefore entirely non-physical and non-mental."
"Neo-Platonism was a philosophical movement inaugurated by Plotinus (AD 204/5 - 270), which reinterpreted the ideas of the ancient Greek philosopher Plato. It argued that the world which we experience is only a copy of an ideal reality which lies beyond the material world."
Categorising gematria as Platonism, or Neo-Platonism, seems to be stretching it a bit.
You do realise that I said/wrote 'geometry' not 'gematria'? If so, I would've recommended a 'for instance gematria' in that passage.
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
people, y'know, make up their own minds.
Heretic!
entirely non-physical and non-mental.
I will buy the concept of abstract notions, but to label them "non-mental" is to sell the mind short. It seems like all things, concepts, and paid reviews are mental constructs. There is, of course, the practical linear mind that relates to our 3D existence. That's the one that needs to be disciplined.
The abstract mind, aka the higher mind, is where the non-terrestrial ideas come in. They are non-physical, but they are still mental.
By the time we get the abstract mind settled down and balanced into zero, we find "that which remains" is defined all over the place as the Universal Mind. Here, there is perception by reception, but no more personal thinking going on (while actually engaged in such a state).
"Neo-Platonism was a philosophical movement inaugurated by Plotinus (AD 204/5 - 270), which reinterpreted the ideas of the ancient Greek philosopher Plato. It argued that the world which we experience is only a copy of an ideal reality which lies beyond the material world."
Thank you for posting this definitive quote. Since I have no formal, or even casual, reading experience in Greek Philosophers, I am now able to place one neo pieces of the puzzle in a relatively stable position: After Plato, Plotinus, circa 250.
@david-dom-lemieux
So glad to see you are now pulling out the academia card, the old appeal to authority fallacy, to thus attack the philosophy article I sent, probably without reading it...
Of course one can make up one's mind, but that can be a bit banal, don't you think? Sort of like judgements about Grant made from reading a random paragraph the Ninth Arch, or some popular press attack upon Crowley... I would posit that much of the 'made up mind' is made up of unexamined constructs, often from snippets from popular culture, or what someone has heard off hand, etc...In this instance what ever Ignant666 'made up mind' might be, for him to call one of the historically recognized leaders of the non-violent civil rights movement, Amelia Boynton Robinson, a "token Negro" because she of her free will, act and deed associated with the LaRouche's and the Schiller Institute, is not only a derogatory insult, it demonstrates rather a knee jerk reaction and a demonstration that he does not know what he is talking about, and would rather use public insults against LaRouche rather than to make a comment based upon content presented.
Of course the issue is Justice and Injustice in Thelema, to which David was making references to Plato and where in excerpts from such dialogues, we have Socrates questing what might be said to be "made up minds" something some are amenable to and something that would get Socrates in big trouble.
The issue is not to believe Crowley, LaRouche, or anyone, but to make up one's own mind, to which I once had much different understanding of Crowley, Grant, LaRouche, etc, then after study, study as i found rich material of which i have had interests, but take none in any mono maniacal position, but rather in a pantheon of thinkers whom seemed to understand and employ metaphor.
The issue with LaRouche, visa via Crowley, whom he would attack as a drug addled beast man, is that LaRouche predicates his work upon the notion found in Genesis that "Man is made in the image of God". Now i do not agree with LaRouche taking the biblical "subduing of the earth" as a certain prerogative to unlimited industrial largesse,but the notion that all human's are made in the image of God, is extremely important, because it actually fits in with natural law, the very natural law by which we have expressed in St Augustine, Rabelais and Crowley. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." which is explored beyond a mere do what you want, to actually a deeper discovery of one's talents and meaning in life, where LaRouche specifically references that image as creativity, the capacity for genius, the ability to go beyond certain constructs of thinking, of opinion and convention, to discover something new of a universal nature, to which it is a method found in science based upon hypothesis (into the unknown) and in great art, in the experience say in a work of art that a gestalt of a higher order is an experienced and which is identified as Agape, of a universal love experience ( the dove!) and in that experience of such love is a transformation of being experienced....This is what LaRouche talks about in the video above relative to Dr. King and with reference to Jean D'arc (a woman girt with a sword!) and Hamlet (Mr. Because )...
Now it is interesting that LaRouche and associates would recognize the role of Rabelais, not as some mere ribald story, but something much more and speaking to the issue of made up minds and something more as I quote below from the beginning of this linked essay by Pierre Beaudry !
https://archive.schillerinstitute.com/fid_97-01/004_rabelaisian.html
"François Rabelais is, without exaggeration, the greatest French writer who ever lived, and represents for French culture what Shakespeare is to English culture, and Cervantes to the Spanish speaking world; and then again, he might represent a little bit more. A man of the Renaissance, a Platonic humanist, a monk who became a doctor, but most of all, a poet, and writer, who wielded his pen as a weapon for the love and justice of mankind (agape), Rabelais sets the tone, and the stage, for a real revolution in the France of the Sixteenth century, as well as in society as a whole, in any period of history."
I think many will find this article most interesting in busting up various axioms, made up minds, etc...!
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The issue with LaRouche, visa via Crowley, whom he
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https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
I think many will find this article most interesting in busting up various axioms, made up minds, etc...!
Maybe it is just me, but I think I am not totally wrong in saying that anything that begins with (or contains) "François Rabelais is, without exaggeration, the greatest French writer who ever lived" is a total downer to anyone interested in Thelema - and that is not because Crowley WAS the greatest French writer who ever lived. It is because even the idea of an existing "best writer ever" is so anti-scientific, anti-logical, anti-LiberL-ish, anti-common-sense, anti-human etc. pp. that I at least don't want to read a single other line of that "most interesting" article. Sorry.
make up one's mind, but that can be a bit banal, don't you think?
Well, yes. The "problem" comes in when people possessed of linear minds, without ang gnosis at all, make up their minds, which are nothing more than crammed programming in fact and fiction.
Being magnanimous, and compassionate, too, we allow them free thought. This is cool.
The "trouble" with the "problem" is when these dim bulbs think for themselves, and then decide what is best for other people. The next thing you know, the free-thinkers have sent the police to visit you and me.
Every position of authority or dominion over other people (like cops, docs, and judges) must be an initiate of some specified degree. To violate this imperative is to hand one's self over to the overseer for hard labor - or at least higher taxes..
Sorry.
Don't worry - be Happy.
It is almost impossible to describe the political and social views of convicted felon and jailbird Lyndon LaRouche without being accused of making shit up, because rational people recoil from the idea that anyone could be so batshit crazy for so long.
I have been a connoisseur of Larouche's nutty views since shortly after he stopped being "Lyn Marcus" of the Left, and became the far-right loon he was thereafter, in 1973-5. I thus should have realized sooner that HG is a shill for LaRouche, given the views he has expressed, but it never occurred to me that LaRouchite "entryism" would happen at a site devoted to a British homosexual cuckold drug-taker (since being British, and/or homosexual, and/or a person who allows others to fuck one's wife (a "cuckold"), and/or taking drugs, are about the worst things a person can do or be according to LL, besides tuning too high).
I am sure we all recall the global nuclear war wiping out all humanity that followed the election of Jimmy Carter as US President in 1976, as LaRouche warned would happen unless he was elected.
Recalling the old joke about the right-wing economist who had successfully predicted 25 out of the last 3 recessions, LaRouche claimed from the late '60s until his 2019 death that the world faced imminent total economic collapse unless he was immediately put in charge of running the world, in accordance (of course) with the precepts of the (1648) Treaty of Westphalia (see, i told you you would think i was making this shit up). LaRouche never heard of a modern problem without a 17th century solution.
The Beatles, and all rock, and other popular, music, and also jazz, and also all classical music played in the standard A= 440 Hz tuning, are part of a British Intelligence plot to destroy America and the world.
So is all drug use, and also all gay/trans rights movements- just British Intelligence plots. See pics of "Big Liz" above. Note our Comrade's repeated denouncing me and Shiva as "druggies", etc. I am surprised he has not called me a "pervert", or a "faggot", both favorite terms of abuse by the LaRouchites when referring to anyone who is not a cultist.
But i suppose HG is quasi-rational enough to understand that such terms might not work on the site of the ACS (but then why does he think the drugs stuff will work?) And if all these things are not plots by British Intelligence, they are plots by Satanists (LaRouche kinda switched to Satanism as the enemy late in life).
The reason British Intelligence is turning kids gay and trans, and turning them onto drugs, is that, since 1711, they (British Intelligence, originally led by Sir Isaac Newton) have been in a desperate struggle to overturn the legacy of Liebniz and obscure his invention of calculus, and foster the claim that Sir Isaac Newton independently invented calculus.
This is also the reason for the British Intellience attack on NYC on 9/11, the Iraq Wars, and most other stuff. Along with that A=440 Hz tuning of course. And the drugs and "faggotry" (very big term with the LaRouchites in the 180s, when they wanted concentration camps for HIV+ persons).
[M[y principal accomplishment is that of being, by a large margin of advantage, the leading economist of the twentieth century to date. That distinction can be most easily defended, since it is not quantitative, but qualitative.
[LaRouche. L. 1979. The Power of Reason: A Kind of an Autobiography. New Benjamin Franklin Publishing House.]
"I have a better chance of being elected [US President in 2004, 18 years ago] than you have of surviving if I'm not."
According to one published report, LaRouche denounced the Leesburg [Virginia, where he moved from NYC 1977] Garden Club as a "nest" of Soviet sympathizers.
[Ibid.]
Put the pieces together. First, the creative capacities of the nation's youth — truly their most precious possession — are destroyed by drugs. Next, the sexual identities of millions of Americans are thrown topsy turvy by a culture that extols the virtues of homosexuality. And finally, Satanism, the worship of Evil, emerges as a new religion.
LaRouche, L. 1989. "Is Satan in Your Schoolyard?" New Federalist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Lyndon_LaRouche_and_the_LaRouche_movement
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche [a bit more clear about the ongoing insanity, since they don't permit edits by LaRouche bots, unlike wikipedia]
recoil from the idea that anyone could be so batshit crazy for so long.
I shall not recoil ... for I have The Memory, I cannot remember what year it was, or even the decade[nt], because I paid little attention to such things as gov (except when it involved me directly - driving, getting taxed, getting arrested for speeding - they let you go when you sign the ticket) ... but I do remember that this fellow was running for something, president I think, and that every reference to or by him that broke through my indifference indicated that he was B.C., as fully-spelled out in underline in your pronouncement.
Wiki-up says ... Lyndon Hermyle LaRouche Jr. (September 8, 1922 – February 12, 2019) was an American political activist who founded the LaRouche movement and its main organization the National Caucus of Labor Committees (NCLC).
"Eight times!" I exclaimed ... that covers three decades. No wonder his notions popped up from time to time through my haze and registered on my recognition list. I can't remember why he was crazy, but maybe you'll remind me.
LaRouche claimed from the late '60s until his 2019 death that the world faced imminent total economic collapse unless he was immediately put in charge of running the world
Oh, goodness and the forty failures ...
Your compiled abstract summary of the life and times of a paranoid person are revealing, and the now obvious and self-pointed affiliation, or affinity, with the nut by our contentious commentor are equally apocalyptic.
One chooses one's balance, as reality is relative. Those which are unjust won't be welcome in the Kingdom of the just, and thus being unable to harm a King, will bring whatever effects are Necessary upon themselves to keep the peace. Pretending to be beyond duality is a decision, there being little real truth to it, according to the facts of this reality. Or is it? Does it Ma'ater? You might say, but it depends on whether you're right. Some say Truth is in unity with Will. We can measure this by the consequences. What do you think a King will do to those who make terrible consequences for all? I'd say He will become quite more Terrible, and deny eggs to hens & foxes, constructing fancy cages for the lazy ones who fail to endure.
Categorising gematria as Platonism, or Neo-Platonism, seems to be stretching it a bit.
Gematria - Wikipedia
History[edit]
The first documented use of gematria is from an Assyrian inscription dating to the 8th century BCE, commissioned by Sargon II. In this inscription, Sargon II states: "the king built the wall of Khorsabad 16,283 cubits long to correspond with the numerical value of his name."[7]
Gematria appears to be much older than the concept of Sephirah?
Modern scholars have identified several mystical brotherhoods that functioned in Europe starting in the 12th century. Some, such as the "Iyyun Circle" and the "Unique Cherub Circle", were truly esoteric, remaining largely anonymous. The first documented historical emergence of Theosophical Kabbalistic doctrine occurred among Jewish Sages of Provence and Languedoc in southern France in the latter 1100s, with the appearance or consolidation of the mysterious work the Bahir (Book of "Brightness"), a midrash describing God's sephirot attributes as a dynamic interacting hypostatic drama in the Divine realm, and the school of Isaac the Blind (1160–1235) among critics of the rationalist influence of Maimonides. From there Kabbalah spread to Catalonia in north-east Spain around the central Rabbinic figure of Nahmanides (the Ramban) (1194–1270) in the early 1200s, with a Neoplatonic orientation focused on the upper sephirot. Subsequently, Kabbalistic doctrine reached its fullest classic expression among Castilian Kabbalists from the latter 1200s, with the Zohar (Book of "Splendor") literature, concerned with cosmic healing of gnostic dualities between the lower, revealed male and female attributes of God.
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
Who cares what you read....but i guess that Crowley braggadocios superlatives relative to his writing skills never turned you off...
Good to see you betray your stance against being political by being political...at least you had a choice.
Now as regards Mr. Ignant, well he has called himself a drug dealer and yes the Nazi party did codify the A=440 tuning, but that had nothing to do with Robert Plant blowing out his voice, the Nazi's liked A 440 as it lifted emotionality corresponding mass indoctrination of the population... but I do see that the Department of Homeland Security has dropped its ministry of truth....Then again there is a scientific reason for A=432 "Verdi" tuning, and it has to do with the constructs of the voice and musical composition...and opera singers have ruined voices trying to sing compositions written for 432 pushed into the 440 range...
Yes LaRouche did warn against the present economic collapse, to which the present phase with attendant perpetual war was correctly identified, though of course owning the printing presses that make money out of nothing, running the military industrial complex, news media then of course the west's potemkin village existence can keep a certain smug attitude alive....such that attacking the Treaty of Westphalia, because it happened a long time ago is the definition of 'bat shit crazy' as much as thinking that bat soup caused the Corona operation, and not American gain of function labs.
To throw out the Treaty of Westphalia because it is old, is to throw out and denigrate principle by which Europe merged from slaughter to the point that sane people recognized that there enemy is the key to their survival and vice versa. This is the principle of the "advantage of the other" which Ignant wants to attack because LaRouche has brought such a principle to life, and why it is that Russia has not gone into total war against the NATO backed Nazi's in the Ukraine...though the US will pulverize any country that does not accept its loan sharking operations as the case of Libya is a sad example, especially for the prospects of Africa digging itself out of poverty and exploitation...
So now we have a situation where Wall Street and the City of London are hopelessly bankrupt and forcing war upon the world, with its psychotic peons like Liz Truss vowing to push the nuclear button without batting an eye...and all because the Russians and Chinese took up LaRouche's ideas that it would be better for countries to cooperate then to drug their populations as the CIA did in targeting especially black communities...but I know Ignant must be bitter about the collapse of the whippets market!
What a load of utter crap. The usual "Gish gallop" of lies, innuendos and poor logic, hysterical new personal attacks, all in frenzied response to me actually quoting LaRouche, and accurately stating his views.
Anyone who thought that i was exaggerating the huge importance of "Verdi tuning", and attacking the "Nazi" A=440 Hz tuning standard, in the LaRouche world-view (at least as important as being pro-nuclear power, or hating drugs and the British) can just review HG's rabid, rage-filled, foaming-at-the-mouth paragraph about tuning musical instruments. And the world-historical importance of tuning 8 Hz lower than is typical today.
The failure to elect the lunatic LaRouche in any of his 8 runs for the US presidency has not led to nuclear annihilation, as he insisted it would.
The world's economy just simply has not collapsed since the late '60s because it was not run by Lyndon LaRouche. What "present economic collapse" are you talking about? It is simply not true that "Wall Street and the City of London are hopelessly bankrupt", or that this imaginary bankruptcy forced the poor agency-less Russians to attempt to invade Ukraine.
It is impossible to imagine that anyone who isn't a propagandist/shill could seriously say that "Russia has not gone into total war against the NATO backed Nazi's in the Ukraine" after the mass genocidal killings, continual daily shelling of civilian targets, constant kidnapping, rape, and murder of Ukrainian civilians, etc etc. They have gone as all-out total war as their poorly-equipped, poorly-trained conscript army, and incompetent generals (who, before February, had no experience fighting an enemy capable of defending itself) would allow.
And of course, after the total failure of the initial plan to overthrow the Ukrainian government and install a puppet regime in 3 days, the sinking of the Moskva and other Russian vessels, the numerous deaths among Russian commanders, the daily explosions of fuel and ammo dumps far behind Russian lines, etc. etc. etc., one might want to rein in the Russian fascist triumphalism, at least until they, y'know, win.
Finally: "bitter about the collapse of the whippets market"???!?!?! What the actual fuck can be meant here? Has the market in these little cylinders of laughing gas collapsed? Does HG imagine that drug-dealers make money by selling things that are legally available at every restaurant supply store? The drugs i sold for a living were illegal ones- that's why it was profitable to do so.
Who cares what you read....but i guess that Crowley braggadocios superlatives relative to his writing skills never turned you off...
If Rabelais ever had written that he was the best French writer ever I would have found it as hilarious as Crowley's claims. But if an article on Ccrowley would start with "Aleister Crowley is, without exaggeration, the greatest English writer who ever lived" I immediately knew that the article isn't worth anything.
the Russians and Chinese took up LaRouche's ideas that it would be better for countries to cooperate
Yeah, both countries are world-famous for their cooperation habits as well as for their justice systems (since this is at least somehow related to the OT). Nice to have such a conspiracy nut amongst us.
. but I do see that the Department of Homeland Security has dropped its ministry of truth....Then again there is a scientific reason for A=432 "Verdi" tuning, and it has to do with the constructs of the voice and musical composition...and opera singers have ruined voices trying to sing compositions written for 432 pushed into the 440 range...
As I understand it, opera singers go to specialist universities to train for years on how to avoid 'ruining their voices', that's what operatic training is.
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
The issue with LaRouche, visa via Crowley, whom he
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At least it wasn't "Nick Land is the actual reincarnation of Crowley.”
(yes, someone has actually said that)
Anyone who would like to hear the vast difference between A=440 Hz, and A=432 Hz, can hear it here. Most non-musicians will not be able to hear the difference. More on standard pitch here.
An article debunking the LaRouche/Schiller Institute "Verdi tuning" bushwa can be found here. Spoiler: 440 Hz tuning became standard because of the BBC, not the Nazis. Verdi actually preferred A= 435 Hz, not 432 Hz.
The idea that orchestral tuning actually matters on a world historical level, and is an urgent political concern is self-evidently insane and obvious pure crankery. Most contemporary orchestras tune sharper than 440 Hz, like 441 Hz, 445 Hz, BTW.
And of course most of you degenerates do not in fact listen to orchestral music ever.
Categorising gematria as Platonism, or Neo-Platonism, seems to be stretching it a bit.
Gematria - Wikipedia
The first documented use of gematria is from an Assyrian inscription dating to the 8th century BCE
With Plato cruising the columns of Life around 400 BC, and this Ass-Syrian king performing numeric construction in the -600s, it is obvious that gematria predates a lot of other mental inventions ... but it it is hardly Neo-platonic or Assyrian by name ...
Gematria appears to be much older than the concept of Sephirah?
Maybe ... or not. One would have to search the scriptures for mention of the Sephiroth - then check the date. The Tree was built up by Europeans (~600 AD). and circular pics of the spheres were drawn ... but the concept of Sephira / Sephiroth (pre-Europe doodling) needs to be nailed down first, before irrefutable conclusions can be set in stone.
Kabbalah - Wikipedia
Now here is a fine example of how the cowans twist the letters.
The root of our Qabalah word (as spelled by AC), in Hebrew, is QBL - it means "to receive." The whole science begins with a Q - yet we see imposters, confusers, and Wikipedia routinely spelling it with a K or a C. Wiki even allows the bb insertion, which is double-letter trickery for no reason. The C does not even exist in Hebrew, and the K is likew an X, but the pronunciation is different that a Q.
Go figure ... then decide which is what is right.
Good to see you betray your stance against being political by being political...at least you had a choice.
I am never political in the sense that I hold a position left or right. I have seen both sides get into squabbles, and they both act like unruly children and pull Halloween tricks while the world watches the circus.
So taking sides is a niyama, in general, but anybody can distrust a LaRouche who runs around joining independent fringe parties. Otherwise, I maintain that the initiates must take over the reins and begin the reigns of emancipation. Until then, I neither vote nor promote.
But I am happy to advocate or denounce any individual incumbent or candidate, based on their energy field.
Yes LaRouche did warn against the present economic collapse
So did I, and my cohorts, in 1965. But none us ran for president, so nobody paid any attention.
attacking the Treaty of Westphalia, because it happened a long time ago is the definition of 'bat shit crazy' as much as thinking that ...
From the dissertation, I got a different viw. I saw the B.C. diagnosis as relating to the injunction that You all will die unless I am immediately put in charge. Well, he was wrong. Everybody did not die (yet). He was not (never) put in charge of anything because even the common voting people saw that he was unhinged.
So now we have a situation where Wall Street and the City of London are hopelessly bankrupt and forcing war upon the world
Yeah? Now you're being practical and you have my attention. This appears to be true ... so what will we (you or I) do? Let's see how your post proceeds ...
Liz Truss vowing to push the nuclear button
Yes. Yes. So what? Deem ye not of change. I lived through the drop-drills and fear of flying glass shards. The real "cold war." The threat of nuclear holocaust will be with us, now that the bomb has been invented and distributed to opposing multiple parties, even unto the End of the World - potentially coming soon.
Since you or I have absolutely no control over what these sophisticated children will do with their toys, I recommend hope and help from other spells. That is, one (anyone) shouls disengage from The Mass Formative Psychosis and attend to the prper arrangement of their own Shibola Box. Voting is optional, when the time come, in order to have obe's say. Gathering goods and spices is squirrely, but AL says it's good to do.
all in frenzied response to me actually quoting LaRouche, and accurately stating his views.
Oh, I noticed.
tuning musical instruments. And the world-historical importance of tuning 8 Hz lower
I think this has to do with the exact frquencies of the trumpets blown by the angels as they break the seals on the apocalyptic revelation. Further research is needed.
Finally: "bitter about the collapse of the whippets market"???!?!?! What the actual fuck can be meant here?
Like AL, HG sometimes speaks in veiled terms, offering puzzles or codes to express some notion that must be sent to the QBLists for deciphering.
as hilarious as Crowley's claims.
He also claimed to be the World's greatest Psychologist.
Cue canned laughter.
Categorising gematria as Platonism, or Neo-Platonism, seems to be stretching it a bit.
Gematria - Wikipedia
The first documented use of gematria is from an Assyrian inscription dating to the 8th century BCE
With Plato cruising the columns of Life around 400 BC, and this Ass-Syrian king performing numeric construction in the -600s, it is obvious that gematria predates a lot of other mental inventions ... but it it is hardly Neo-platonic or Assyrian by name ...
Gematria appears to be much older than the concept of Sephirah?
Maybe ... or not. One would have to search the scriptures for mention of the Sephiroth - then check the date. The Tree was built up by Europeans (~600 AD). and circular pics of the spheres were drawn ... but the concept of Sephira / Sephiroth (pre-Europe doodling) needs to be nailed down first, before irrefutable conclusions can be set in stone.
Kabbalah - Wikipedia
Now here is a fine example of how the cowans twist the letters.
The root of our Qabalah word (as spelled by AC), in Hebrew, is QBL - it means "to receive." The whole science begins with a Q - yet we see imposters, confusers, and Wikipedia routinely spelling it with a K or a C. Wiki even allows the bb insertion, which is double-letter trickery for no reason. The C does not even exist in Hebrew, and the K is likew an X, but the pronunciation is different that a Q.
Go figure ... then decide which is what is right.
Good to see you betray your stance against being political by being political...at least you had a choice.
I am never political in the sense that I hold a position left or right. I have seen both sides get into squabbles, and they both act like unruly children and pull Halloween tricks while the world watches the circus.
So taking sides is a niyama, in general, but anybody can distrust a LaRouche who runs around joining independent fringe parties. Otherwise, I maintain that the initiates must take over the reins and begin the reigns of emancipation. Until then, I neither vote nor promote.
But I am happy to advocate or denounce any individual incumbent or candidate, based on their energy field.
Yes LaRouche did warn against the present economic collapse
So did I, and my cohorts, in 1965. But none us ran for president, so nobody paid any attention.
attacking the Treaty of Westphalia, because it happened a long time ago is the definition of 'bat shit crazy' as much as thinking that ...
From the dissertation, I got a different viw. I saw the B.C. diagnosis as relating to the injunction that You all will die unless I am immediately put in charge. Well, he was wrong. Everybody did not die (yet). He was not (never) put in charge of anything because even the common voting people saw that he was unhinged.
So now we have a situation where Wall Street and the City of London are hopelessly bankrupt and forcing war upon the world
Yeah? Now you're being practical and you have my attention. This appears to be true ... so what will we (you or I) do? Let's see how your post proceeds ...
Liz Truss vowing to push the nuclear button
Yes. Yes. So what? Deem ye not of change. I lived through the drop-drills and fear of flying glass shards. The real "cold war." The threat of nuclear holocaust will be with us, now that the bomb has been invented and distributed to opposing multiple parties, even unto the End of the World - potentially coming soon.
Since you or I have absolutely no control over what these sophisticated children will do with their toys, I recommend hope and help from other spells. That is, one (anyone) shouls disengage from The Mass Formative Psychosis and attend to the prper arrangement of their own Shibola Box. Voting is optional, when the time come, in order to have obe's say. Gathering goods and spices is squirrely, but AL says it's good to do.
all in frenzied response to me actually quoting LaRouche, and accurately stating his views.
Oh, I noticed.
tuning musical instruments. And the world-historical importance of tuning 8 Hz lower
I think this has to do with the exact frquencies of the trumpets blown by the angels as they break the seals on the apocalyptic revelation. Further research is needed.
Finally: "bitter about the collapse of the whippets market"???!?!?! What the actual fuck can be meant here?
Like AL, HG sometimes speaks in veiled terms, offering puzzles or codes to express some notion that must be sent to the QBLists for deciphering.
as hilarious as Crowley's claims.
He also claimed to be the World's greatest Psychologist.
Cue canned laughter.
And of course most of you degenerates do not in fact listen to orchestral music ever.
Um,I may be a degenerate to some, and it's not my preferred genre, but I like some Bach and some Bartok now and then.
all in frenzied response to me actually quoting LaRouche, and accurately stating his views.
Well, you know accurate representation is going to make him look bad.
I think this has to do with the exact frquencies of the trumpets blown by the angels as they break the seals on the apocalyptic revelation. Further research is needed.
Scriabin's Mysterium?
I like some Bach and some Bartok now and then.
Bach is acceptable to LaRoucheits, but in their eyes you condemn yourself out of your own mouth by admitting to listening to the degenerate music of Bartok (or any other 20th century/modernist music);
Gematria - Wikipedia
The first documented use of gematria is from an Assyrian inscription dating to the 8th century BCE
With Plato cruising the columns of Life around 400 BC, and this Ass-Syrian king performing numeric construction in the -600s, it is obvious that gematria predates a lot of other mental inventions ... but it it is hardly Neo-platonic or Assyrian by name ...
Eh? I never said it (gematria) was or is Platonic/Neo Platonic...that was the whole point of me pasting those wiki excerpts there. Are we on the same page?
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
The edit-timer deleted the following from my last post:
[S]o-called modern music represents a decline comparable to reducing an anti-entropically developing universe of two trillion galaxies known so far, to a flat earth.
While this statement by LaRouche's equally-loopy wife is complete pseudo-scientific gibberish, it is hard to read it as favorable towards "Schoenberg, Anton Webern, and Béla Bartók [....] Olivier Messiaen, and John Cage" (modern composers condemned by name above this paragraph- well, actually she won't admit that Messiaen and Cage were even composers- she refers to them as "lecturers"). Bonus points to Comrade Helga for managing to work in the phrase "the CIA's devil kitchen" into an article ostensibly about classical music.
This 2020 article is prime LaRoucheite craziness, well worth a read if you think i am exaggerating just how nuts these folks were/are: "Open Letter to Germany’s Classical Music Lovers in the Year of Beethoven: The Bounds of Decency Have Been Breached".
If you dig Bartok you should check out Arvo Part. His 1977 Tabula rasa is a favorite of mine.
This 2020 article is prime LaRoucheite craziness, well worth a read if you think i am exaggerating just how nuts these folks were/are: "Open Letter to Germany’s Classical Music Lovers in the Year of Beethoven: The Bounds of Decency Have Been Breached".
So recruiting folks to a mad cult on this forum, is that against the rules, is it trolling? Speaking of which , what happened to the 6/50 = 0.12 Pooh Man by the way?
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
So recruiting folks to a mad cult on this forum, is that against the rules, is it trolling?
Not as far as i know, and many (including HG's idol LaRouche) might say that AC's work is itself a "mad cult".
[W]hat happened to the 6/50 = 0.12 Pooh Man by the way?
Wait, what?
I have a pretty good memory and i cannot recall what you might mean here. As far as i know (and as confirmed by a calculator), six divided by 50 is, in fact, 0.12.
How does this arithmetic relate to a "Pooh Man"? Who was this "Pooh Man"? Do we mean "pooh" as in "Winnie The...", or do we mean "pooh" in the "Mandarin Meals"/kaka/dookie/#2 sense?
Refresh my recollection* plz.
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*When cross-examining the "bad guys'" witnesses, one often asks "Does this refresh your recollection?" when they deny doing/saying shit you have proof of them doing/saying, "this" being that proof.
Wait, what?
I have a pretty good memory and i cannot recall what you might mean here. As far as i know (and as confirmed by a calculator), six divided by 50 is, in fact, 0.12.
I forget his handle, he had a Charlie Brown avatar and was obsessed with computer science, number systems and he thought he was a Liber L code cracker. You advised him to go to Reddit if he wanted cult members.
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
Huh, thanx, but still drawing a blank here.
There have been so many lunatics in my 17 years here.
And reddit/Thelema continues to do an immense public service, both in general and to lashtal in particular, by drawing an astonishing number of morons, imbeciles, folks who are AC reincarnations but know nothing about AC, probable PCP abusers, miscellaneous drug casualties, would-be demon-worshipers, idiots who (like AC) think there are talismans that will make one rich etc. etc etc.
Without reddit, they would all still show up here, the way they used to before reddit got big circa 2010 or so.
Huh, thanx, but still drawing a blank here.
Found it, this guy;
Sanguine Chuck – Activity – LAShTAL.COM Forum Crowley and his usages of maths and formulas in Thelema – Page 4 – Thelema – LAShTAL.COM Forum
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
Are we on the same page?
regardless of lingo or style.
it's been around for a while.
So recruiting folks to a mad cult on this forum, is that against the rules, is it trolling?
I believe it is infiltration. The penalty is drawn drawn from your choice of one of The Secret Rituals of the OTO (daggers, dogs, etc), or Freemasonry (similar grizzlies), or The US National Security Code.
How does this arithmetic relate to a "Pooh Man"? Who was this "Pooh Man"? Do we mean "pooh" as in "Winnie The...", or do we mean "pooh" in the "Mandarin Meals"/kaka/dookie/#2 sense?
I have gone overboard, only reently, in bugging posters about their lack of context in order for survivors of the cataclysm to interpret our scribblings. Then I re-signed. I see you have taken up the burden.
Found it
Yeah, I knew who you meant. I have this theory ...
Chuck, a resident of the zoo with the Golden Gate, showed up and caused a ruckus for a while. He said his time was short as he'd be traveling soon. He incited many fires. Then he left.
Shortly thereafter, Sean Woodward showed up to promote his book. I immediately recognized the style, although the manner was milder. He sent a review book ti Ignant, who said, "For some reason my book is in San Francisco." Un-huh.
Bonus points to Comrade Helga for managing to work in the phrase "the CIA's devil kitchen" into an article ostensibly about classical music.
What, they're not behind absolutely everything that has ever happened?
This 2020 article is prime LaRoucheite craziness, well worth a read if you think i am exaggerating just how nuts these folks were/are: "Open Letter to Germany’s Classical Music Lovers in the Year of Beethoven: The Bounds of Decency Have Been Breached".
Fishing a title with the phrase "The Bounds of Decency Have Been Breached" is totally going to get me to take it completely seriously.
If you dig Bartok you should check out Arvo Part. His 1977 Tabula rasa is a favorite of mine.
Oh, gorgeous! I've never heard his work before! Thank you!
this guy
Oh shit, dude, thanx, had totally forgotten ol' Bloody Chuck.
There have been so many Ascended Masters, who have, briefly, been kind enough to offer us the benefit of their wisdom (often in the Spring); one loses track.
Chuck [...] Sean Woodward
I definitely don't think they were the same person.
Sean is a post-Grant Grantian, and i don't recall any such vibe from Chuck. Also, Sean is polite and a non-asshole, whereas Chuck wasn't.
Finally, Sean is definitely a Brit and not a Californicator.
gorgeous
Glad to oblige. Ol' Arvo tears shit up, as we used to say in my punk rock days, although of course not in quite the same way. But "real know real", as the kids say.
What, they're not behind absolutely everything that has ever happened?
No, they're not. I did a thing (or two) in which they were not involved. And they did not provide funding, either.
I suppose there must be a few more examples?
Well Shiva i am glad to hear you are able to enjoy music...i thought you blew out your hearing from your solid fuel rocketry days!
Thanks for the link ignant...i had not seen that, glad that you are amused, how dare someone object Brechtian boredom...yes i find Oliver Messiaen work to be exceptional, John Cage is a good for allowing one's listening to be expanded...it all becomes zen, and gimmick ...yeah Arvo Paart, but you miss the point...
Here this might help or bring up more token derision...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAESNJA-XG4
Regarding the chorus of derision i see that the discussion has turned to the old war-stories gloating stage of injustice, with David harping on all the lunatics that have come and go, of course his quips being the exception...no doubt having had a past life selling popcorn at Socrates trail...anyways what's his name was Sanguine Chuck who suffered the same fate as most who sincerely try offer some insight into Liber L here....to get the old skeptics gang treatment (who I notice seem to have left Threefold 31 alone) not to say that folk folly banter is not part of the test of the aeon, what ever aeon it is, but I suppose our skeptics here are not at a loss of words when it comes to the topic justice and injustice in Thelema...having made their minds up, or allowed their minds to be made up...is it all made up...ha ha ha!