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Shiva
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

i am glad to hear you are able to enjoy music...i thought you blew out your hearing from your solid fuel rocketry days!

You continue to miss the point, mix up the evidence, and display a remarkable lack of comprehension regarding the facts.

I am neither deaf nor blind. But if you call me on the phony, or point me toward the youTube express, I cannot understand your words or their lyrics. I can catch the beat and the rhythm. I can understand your words if you are within about 24" - plenty of social distancing room - if you're wearing your HazMat.

Now, before we go any further on anything, it is my duty to inform you that in the past couple or thrice days, you have lost any sense of credibility. Your agenda has been exposed, and it's not about Crowley. So, no matter what or which words follow, you must accept the fact that you have undone yourself, and now we understand your dilemma. You get condolences, but no respect, no more.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Sanguine Chuck who suffered the same fate as  most who sincerely try offer some insight into Liber L here

Cue canned laughter.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

the old skeptics gang treatment

One gets a reflected image, with corrections, of whatever one has to offer.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

(who I notice seem to have left Threefold 31 alone)

3x31 holds his own. He connects relevant events and certain dots through math, no less, and he's not a deranged troll. Perhaps he will be offered The Seat in the East (as hiero, not his wake).

There is a certain occult sensory mechanism, crudely referred to as a Bovine Excrement Detector, and the reading on that meter determines how many gang members are called to active duty. Many are called, but few are chosen. By naming the current roster, by name, you chose more gangsters to come against you.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

is it all made up...ha ha ha!

The poster now decries the sanity of those who find him, um, strange without drugs? He departs in mad, cackling laughter.

Skeptical Thelema is found in the Erwin-Los lineage, which does not appear live here any more, no more. It is a ridiculous approach, subject to ridicule. It rejects all notions except the basic law of physical physics.

The "skeptics" you assign the label to, who are here in perpetuity, can actually tell when a person is insane, or close to such a mess. I can cite the roll call of those who have flashed their shining faces ... and have been accepted as "only neurotic."

 

 


   
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

to get the old skeptics gang treatment (who I notice seem to have left Threefold 31 alone)

That is maybe bacause he presents his findings (which I can't follow all of them) not as THE FINAL ANSWERS but as puzzlepieces and personal solutions without attacking anyone or being rude or condescending. There are others who - though not being rude - simply disappear for a while when getting too much of the treatment and so we will have to wait until they reappear, maybe together with a promised (soonish a year ago or so) totally new magick that Egytian adepts told them to bring to the earth.

but I suppose our skeptics here are not at a loss of words when it comes to the topic justice and injustice in Thelema

To be honest among all the right wing conspiracy crap I never found anything relevant to that topic in your posts, I guess I have to reread them.


   
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Shiva
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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

I guess I have to reread them.

Don't bother. I will give you the Summary ...

HG brings dark things from the shadows to fight.
He instills fear, but never mentions the Light
 
The bogeyman is coming, as if we didn't know
He highlights black paradigms - that is his show

I (we?) are open to solutions, which must be solved elsewhere unless somehow related to our pal, Al ....


   
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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

That is maybe bacause he presents his findings (which I can't follow all of them) not as THE FINAL ANSWERS but as puzzlepieces and personal solutions without attacking anyone or being rude or condescending.

RLG/Threefold 31 has stated in no uncertain terms on Lashtal that he has solved the II:76 puzzle of Liber Legis, no different than anyone else with a solution, which shows you are making up excuses for not attacking his work, when the reason is obvious to me.

If you allow form to take precedent over content, then you really can't expect those whose work you are critiquing to take you seriously. Likewise if you engage in personal attacks of a juvenile nature, and misrepresent the work itself.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

the old skeptics gang treatment

As I stated a few months ago, the primary reason I post to Lashtal is in expectation of the most vicious, blanket criticisms imaginable, not because I seek approval from the 'old skeptics gang' and their imagined insights into Thelema. I say those things not to be condescending, but to point out that reading a lot books does not make one an expert on Thelema, only genuine experience does. To gain the necessary insights, one has to give up the one particle of dust that Nuit requires, and that is not something that can be pretended to.

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so we will have to wait until they reappear, maybe together with a promised (soonish a year ago or so) totally new magick that Egytian adepts told them to bring to the earth.

Now who is being condescending? I would suggest you look in the mirror, but its unlikely you will see yourself.


   
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Posted by: @herupakraath
Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

That is maybe bacause he presents his findings (which I can't follow all of them) not as THE FINAL ANSWERS but as puzzlepieces and personal solutions without attacking anyone or being rude or condescending.

RLG/Threefold 31 has stated in no uncertain terms on Lashtal that he has solved the II:76 puzzle of Liber Legis, no different than anyone else with a solution, which shows you are making up excuses for not attacking his work, when the reason is obvious to me.

If you allow form to take precedent over content, then you really can't expect those whose work you are critiquing to take you seriously. Likewise if you engage in personal attacks of a juvenile nature, and misrepresent the work itself.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

the old skeptics gang treatment

As I stated a few months ago, the primary reason I post to Lashtal is in expectation of the most vicious, blanket criticisms imaginable, not because I seek approval from the 'old skeptics gang' and their imagined insights into Thelema. I say those things not to be condescending, but to point out that reading a lot books does not make one an expert on Thelema, only genuine experience does. To gain the necessary insights, one has to give up the one particle of dust that Nuit requires, and that is not something that can be pretended to.

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

so we will have to wait until they reappear, maybe together with a promised (soonish a year ago or so) totally new magick that Egytian adepts told them to bring to the earth.

Now who is being condescending? I would suggest you look in the mirror, but its unlikely you will see yourself.

 

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Posted by: @shiva

You continue to miss the point, mix up the evidence, and display a remarkable lack of comprehension regarding the facts.

Well that is basically my point as well.

 

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Your agenda has been exposed, and it's not about Crowley

Is your agenda, about justice or injustice in Thelema or something else?

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HG brings dark things from the shadows to fight.
He instills fear, but never mentions the Light

Unfortunately more projections, you do not understand my posts and supporting materials, you feign blindness and deafness, and then resort to some search on the internet to confirm you bias...and thus can not see the light within what i have brought forth

 

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The bogeyman is coming, as if we didn't know
He highlights black paradigms - that is his show

I (we?) are open to solutions, which must be solved elsewhere unless somehow related to our pal, Al ....

Your diction is now resembling another poster that was just banned...actually i you read my work it very much speaks to an evolving understanding of our pal Al...the thread is an open ended one, maybe your understanding of AC's work is not.

Posted by: @herupakraath

As I stated a few months ago, the primary reason I post to Lashtal is in expectation of the most vicious, blanket criticisms imaginable, not because I seek approval from the 'old skeptics gang' and their imagined insights into Thelema. I say those things not to be condescending, but to point out that reading a lot books does not make one an expert on Thelema, only genuine experience does. To gain the necessary insights, one has to give up the one particle of dust that Nuit requires, and that is not something that can be pretended to.

I certainly honor that! Well said! And thus the question of justice and injustice in Thelema could well come to an end...as you have summed up the entire issue in a sense right here!

 

 


   
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Shiva
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I note that the term "skeptic(s) has been used a bit upstream, often in conjunction with "old."

This may refer to elderly, long-time posters, of which there are a few around. In reference to these dodders, it should be noted that they/we/us are perfectly happy to review and accept Statements or Propositions or Comments that are clearly stated and if questionable, are supported by proof.

"Clear" means the person does not ramble or provide hints alluding to something that is not well-defined. "Proof" is only necessary when accompanying a controversial or questionable remark.

Plenty of people, well a few, come here with outrageous backgrounds: drug dealers, doctors, transgressors, publishers, military policemen (no women), architects ... etc.  We ALL go/went through a period of adjustment - and when the smoke clears ... everybody seems to get along.

Then there are thos folks who come in unhappy, and they promote discord.  Since they tend to ramble, somebody among those who get along will say WTF? or demand proof or call for a proper accounting.

The result is usually the same: The rambler, or the usually suspected innocent baywatcher, launches into the mantra that randomly cites skeptics, old farts, stuck-minded, gang, ganged-up ... etc

Here is the Point: Anyone is invited to submit any idea or proposal or revelation, as long as it's dots to be connected include a dot labeled "AC," and nobody in the group that gets along is going to hassle them - if they are speaking in the common language and if they do not have a hidden agenda.

Note: Hidden agendas include the promotion of unproven or unsounds ideas or actions, enhancement of the importance of the poster, King of the Hill syndrome displays, and generally being unhappy.

Please, please, please ... if anybody has something important to say, AC-wise, say it - and be clear ("the method of science").


   
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