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29/02/2020 11:33 am  

Wouldn't you think that if AL is a manual about the evolutionary welfare of humans that there would be some sort of prophetic warning about the alleged destructive impact of man-made CO2 emissions amongst it's pages?

Perhaps the only part of AL which addresses the issue is to be found in the foreword which warns about New Aeon humanity being gripped by crazes? 

I am not totally convinced about the CO2 cause of extreme weather simply because of the facts.   Climate alarmists and deniers both agree on one thing; CO2 emissions increased from the 1850s onwards as industrialization intensified and the world slowly warmed up from the inception of the 20th century and peaked in the middle of the 1940s but then and this is the important bit it steadily underwent a rapid cooling down for the next 25 years but as I understand industrialization and CO2 emissions were not curbed in this period and if anything were steadily increasing.  After the mid 60s it then started warming up again.  Is climate change activism some sort of sublimated form of anti-capitalist tantrum movement?   Is it no coincidence that as Communism collapsed the radical activists had to find some new form of mass protest?  

Some alledge that there are journalists whose entire career is based on climate-alarmism and that most scientific research facilities will only receive funding if they throw some sort of Green association in there.  Well that's what I hear, now that could be propaganda/right wing nuttery, I'm not sure.    

 

Rivers in the north of England were literally frozen solid in the Victorian era to the point were folk walked across them easily!  Chaucer noted that it was so warm in the north during his travels that they had fruit orchards!  In other words extreme weather comes and goes probably due to the cycles of the all-mighty Sun which no human has any control over.  

Now I know that if you read the New Aeon section of the forward in AL Crowley rightly states that humanity has become like a crazy irresponsible child and the 'climate alarmists'  would no doubt give a thumbs up to those points  .  I've emboldened those bits below but the whole passage is worth checking out with regards to this subject.  

 

https://lib.oto-usa.org/libri/liber0220.html

 

The New Aeon

He rules the present period of 2,000 years, beginning in 1904. Everywhere his government is taking root. Observe for yourselves the decay of the sense of sin, the growth of innocence and irresponsibility, the strange modifications of the reproductive instinct with a tendency to become bisexual or epicene, the childlike confidence in progress combined with nightmare fear of catastrophe, against which we are yet half unwilling to take precautions.
Consider the outcrop of dictatorships, only possible when moral growth is in its earliest stages, and the prevalence of infantile cults like Communism, Fascism, Pacifism, Health Crazes, Occultism in nearly all its forms, religions sentimentalised to the point of practical extinction.
Consider the popularity of the cinema, the wireless, the football pools and guessing competitions, all devices for soothing fractious infants, no seed of purpose in them.
Consider sport, the babyish enthusiasms and rages which it excites, whole nations disturbed by disputes between boys.
Consider war, the atrocities which occur daily and leave us unmoved and hardly worried.
We are children.
How this new Aeon of Horus will develop, how the Child will grow up, these are for us to determine, growing up ourselves in the way of the Law of Thelema under the enlightened guidance of the Master Therion.
* The moment of change from one period to another is technically called The Equinox of the Gods.

 

 

 


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29/02/2020 12:15 pm  

Global warming, and human-caused climate change, is established science; enormous amounts of money from the fossil-fuel industries are being devoted to convincing us otherwise.

In the US, rejecting the consensus of climatologists on global warming has become a shibboleth for Republicans, "conservatives", and other apologists for the rights of rich people. It is surely a coincidence that in all the "red" (Republican) states with economies not dependent on Federal subsidies, local economies are dominated by fossil-fuel extraction and processing (see eg, Texas, Louisiana, Alaska, etc.). Like evolution (or economics, for that matter), to be a good American "conservative", you must reject the science on this topic.

Anyone who thinks this is worth debating is an idiot, so i'm not going to do that. The "conservatives" may feel free to post their "skeptical" takes. King Knut could not turn back the tide by royal decree, articles in the National Review etc will not stop the planet from heating up, and the seas from rising.

There are several references to force and fire and general unspecified future catastrophe in AL, that have until now generally been taken as prophecies of the World Wars, that can be re-interpreted as referring to the planet burning up due to climate change.

Another point of view might be that AL isn't a "prophetic text" transcribed/written by a "Prophet" of a "New Aeon". Once we scrap the "Crowleyanity" approach and expectations that the "Prophet" ought to predict future events, we are left with a peculiar and interesting text that has many useful ideas about how to live and be.


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29/02/2020 12:56 pm  

So absolutely every point that Conservatives make is suspect and wrong because those evil idiots sanction it?   Isn't that blinkered?  Well yeah it is.

Talking about scotomas and scientific enquiry, how do you explain the mutual consensus they and the Green share about CO2 emissions increased from the 1850s onwards as industrialization intensified and the world slowly warmed up from the inception of the 20th century and peaked in the middle of the 1940s but then and this is the important bit it steadily underwent a rapid cooling down for the next 25 years?

 

 Add to that my other ignored facts/points about Chaucer and Victorian river-freeze phenomena.


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29/02/2020 1:40 pm  

Maybe someone is willing to debate whether we should listen to the consensus of the world's climate scientists on the one hand, or right-wing cranks and oil companies on the other, as to whether human-caused climate change is real.

I'm not.


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29/02/2020 7:53 pm  

The OP might want to look up sulfate aerosol increases due to the industrial boom in the post war period, as well as the 1970's clean air acts that reduced said particles.

ignant is correct, if you trust the polluters themselves over almost every scientist on the planet then you need your head seeing to.

Yours, an environmental scientist


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29/02/2020 8:08 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

enormous amounts of money from the fossil-fuel industries are being devoted to convincing us otherwise.

This is a prime, living example of the sort of thing I was pointing to in The Black Lodge thread, when defining the workings of The Deep State.

Deep State means "deep pockets," or more correctly today, "deep digits." Deep enough to buy a politician's vote or run any kind of massive spin operation. Spin operations are sometimes known as "mind control." Of course, this is not directly-hardwired into your brain, unless they have captured you, and it comes out in propaganda, fake research, tv ads, paid political proponents, etc.

While all this is debatable (obviously, because it's being debated now in real-time), I have no illusions. In 1972, I stood upon a mountain-top, just north of Vancouver, British Columbia, one of the cleanest cities I have known, and the angels, or God, or maybe V5 came to me with a view, on several planes, simultaneously, with the ability to study each plane individually ... all this, of Vancouver's aura on a clear afternoon.

Some people apparently think that gas coming out of their tailpipe will be taken away by some deva like the tooth fairy,

 

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Isn't that blinkered?  Well yeah it is.

They don't need to put spin on the few (esoteric) who can see the manipulations ... they need to convince the majority, or close to it, in order to keeps mass consciousness in line.

From time to time, it is auspicious to consciously reduce one's consciousness to the four circuits common to all humans. This is the "common," "normal" person. Then watch TV or read daily news. Read your religious text, which will be confusing and contradictory, but your Priest, Rev, or Imam will be happy to explain it.

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human-caused

There may be cyclic ice ages and hot spells, but the current CO2 is the highest in enough time to have considered many such cycles.

 


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29/02/2020 9:55 pm  

@shiva

Use circuit 3.  Explain to me why the earth cooled down from 45 to 65.


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01/03/2020 1:58 am  
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Explain to me why the earth cooled down from 45 to 65.

Okay ... if I knew what you are talking about. 45 to 65 what? Degrees (C or F)? Years? My age range?

 


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01/03/2020 3:39 am  

Years as in the OP.


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01/03/2020 3:44 am  

@pertinax 

 

The 46 to 65 cool down has nothing to do with the 70s Green policy does it?   Please re read my OP carefully.  Thanks.


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01/03/2020 3:50 am  
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@pertinax 

 

The 46 to 65 cool down has nothing to do with the 70s Green policy does it?   Please re read my OP carefully.  Thanks.

Correct, I meant 60’s, it was 5am and I was going from memory.

basically sulfate aerosol production after the war increased, which reflected enough sunlight back into space to offset CO2 driven warming. From the 60’s the reduced sulfate levels meant that warming could resume. That’s how you account for the period of cooling.


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01/03/2020 6:52 am  
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Years as in the OP.

I guess that would be 1945-65. I looked at the looooonngg OP, and that's why I say guess. If you wish to assert RTC "follow the clues" mode of comm, then I have to guess.

As previously stated, by me, weather comes in hot-cold cycles, big and little. There is no explanation you can take to the bank.  The biggest cycles, coinciding with the rise and fall of major civilizations (Mayan, Roman, etc) have been linked to the rise and fall of sunspot activity.

Also note that the scientists say global warming will produce colder winters. Go figure, I don't know that geo science. I was a doctor. I fixed people, not planets. Ask Pertinax, the new guy who just signed in. He says he's into geo science.

However, I can personally attest that the past few years have seen the external world temp go up, the CO2 hit high marks, Greenland is dripping, Antarc is breaking apart, and both Spring and Autumn have been cropped from 3-month seasons to 3-week idyllic weather spurts. While all this has been going on, our Winters have become slightly colder.

Anyway, with the Schumann Resonances going off the chart (170 two days ago),  coronal mass ejections of plasma (takes about 4 days to hit Earth's magnetosphere, and massive energy burst coming from way outer space, with a particular neutron star as the causer, it's pretty hard to explain the cycles. Obviously, within bigger cycles, there will be smaller cycles. It's the big ones that count in long term species survival (like humans).

The Chinese have a thingee that explains all this:

The miracle of medicine

 

As I understand it, you are wondering if AL has covered climate change (CC). You are looking for AL quotes from the viewpoint of CC - or not, if there's no correlation. The previous book said that God destroyed the world with water, and he won't do that again. The next act is destruction by fire. AC wrote, "The world was destroyed by fire in 1904."

He was referring, of course, to some "higher plane." As we know, Aeons and Burning Planets need time to work their way down through the AEthyrs

 

 

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@pertinax  The 46 to 65 cool down has nothing to do with the 70s Green policy does it?   Please re read my OP carefully.  Thanks.

Oh, I see Pertinax slipped in before my previous post. I think his statement meant that yes, there was a cooling period19 45-65, but clean air action may have adjusted that trend.

 


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01/03/2020 7:58 am  

I take it back, apparently the argument put forward by the OP has already been thoroughly debunked. Turns out it was instrument bias, non insulated buckets meant that the mean temp of the water sampled was colder than mean sea temperature https://www.nature.com/articles/nature06982 from 1945 when UK ships resumed measurements.

That paper is quite old (2008), so in all likelihood the results have already accounted for the apparent drop in temperature. Possibly it was a combination of factors though, what do you know, science is complicated. Unless you have the time to trawl hundreds of papers and the background to interpret it you'd be better off reading the IPCC reports https://www.ipcc.ch/report/sixth-assessment-report-cycle/

Re why Liber Al didn't mention climate change? Personally I've always taken the preaterhuman origin story with a bucket of salt, the book could only contain things that were at least latent in Crowley's mind. I'm willing to bet he wasn't aware of climate change, since from what I recall it wasn't really talked about in scientific circles until the 1920's, and certainly not common knowledge until decades later than that. 


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01/03/2020 1:15 pm  

@pertinax

I take it back, apparently the argument put forward by the OP has already been thoroughly debunked. Turns out it was instrument bias, non insulated buckets meant that the mean temp of the water sampled was colder than mean sea temperature https://www.nature.com/articles/nature06982 from 1945 when UK ships resumed measurements.

 

I see , that makes sense, thanks for that.   


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01/03/2020 4:54 pm  
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the apparent drop in temperature.

I was a living person from 1945 to 1965, although I was a kid in the beginning of that timespan. I did not notice anything getting colder. So I have to conclude it was a hoax. That is a sarcastic conclusion, in case anyone wants to wroth and froth.

Now, in my ninth decade, I see pictures from space of Greenland's Glaciers Going Gone, with the South Pole kicking off unprecidentedly huge chunks of ice the size of States. Then there's the folks who live one-inch above "normal" sea level, complaining about inundation. So I have to conclude it is not a hoax. (self-verified as true by my own observation).

Anyway, I believe the topic on the tabletop is about references to this disaster in Liber AL. I don't remember any lines relating to cooking the planet or instructions for building an Ark.

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the book could only contain things that were at least latent in Crowley's mind.

This is a primal theorem that is often overlooked, or not understood in the first place.


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01/03/2020 6:26 pm  

Coincidentally, yesterday I was reading about the Book of Urantia.

 

The Rational Wiki is, as usual, scathing about that channeled book:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book

The Urantia Book includes quite a bit of science woo from the 1930s presented as authoritative fact. Many of these suppositions, which were largely accepted in the 1930s, have since been disproven, which casts doubt on the purported supernatural origin of the Urantia Book and points to a purely human origin. Among other things the book endorses eugenics at one point. Each writing in the book credits one or more supernatural authors, who have names like "Divine Counseler", "Perfector of Wisdom", "Brilliant Evening Star", and "Universal Censor". The actual authorship has been traced to a Seventh Day Adventist splinter-group in Chicago, and allegations have also been made that some of the book is plagiarized from earlier writings.

When one looks back at all the purported books of prophecy published over the last 4000 years, from Isaiah to Mother Shipton & Paracelsus, or from Nostradamus to Oahpse, I find it incredible that there has never been a single definite proven example of a successful prediction of the future.

Nothing. In all those millions of prophetic words - NOTHING.


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01/03/2020 6:41 pm  

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Nothing. In all those millions of prophetic words - NOTHING

Yeah it sounds like superstitious drivel.  'Warrior Lord of the 40s'? No?

 

In the Southern extremity of Western Europe
A child shall be born of poor parents,
Who by his tongue shall seduce the French army;
His bruit shall extend to the kingdom of the East.  ~  Nostradamus 16th century

 

Napoleon?   Corsica is not in Portugal lol however it is at the south west of the Mediterranean sea.   Some debunk Nostradamus by claiming that the printing press was unreliable i.e. some letters are not accurate.   The great fire of 66; 1666 Fire of London?

The blood of the just will be demanded of London
Burnt by fire in the year ’66
The ancient Lady will fall from her high place
And many of the same sect will be killed.

 

Ok, never mind.  


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01/03/2020 6:44 pm  

The Rational Wiki is surprisingly unscathing as to AC:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley

As to prophecy: "Predictions are tough, especially about the future", variously ascribed to US baseball mystic Yogi Berra, and/or Danish physicist Niels Bohr. Truer word were never spoke.

 


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01/03/2020 8:25 pm  
Posted by: @alan_obrien

there has never been a single definite proven example of a successful prediction of the future.

But I made one. Clear and precise. I put it in a book, and I've posted it here (somewhere). If you want a certified prophecy come true, let me know and I'll drag it up and post it again.

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Ok, never mind. 

But I can't never mind because I thought Nostra was cool. Many of his lines came true and any high school history student can make the links. Of course, some of his stuff is so cryptic it makes one scratch their head or other parts.

 


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I find it incredible that there has never been a single definite proven example of a successful prediction of the future.

I predicted there would be an event of world-changing proportions which would take place at the end of the Eighties between 7/11 and 11/11, and held two magickal meetings four days apart (under (c)oto auspices at the time) to build on the strength of it.  This part at least is a matter of documented record.  I told Gerald Suster about it, he picked up on it and was more verbal about it than I to other people, including Steve Wilson who afterwards told quite a few people, or so I was given to understand, attributing it to Gerald rather than myself although I didn't want to make a fuss about it then or now as being important, and am only saying so now as an example "for the (historical) record" & putting it straight.  

This type of occurrence comes under the heading "Siddhic revelations" and has happened on a few other occasions although unfortunately (in some respects) cannot be summonsed to order (otherwise I would be picking contest winners or roulette spins and making a fortune).  To paraphrase Karl Germer, all this sort of thing is "the lower magic".  Oh, and the event of 9/11 that came to pass? The Berlin wall tumbling down.

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01/03/2020 10:31 pm  

I predicted there would be an event of world-changing proportions which would take place at the end of the Eighties between 7/11 and 11/11, and held two magickal meetings four days apart (under (c)oto auspices at the time) to build on the strength of it. This part at least is a matter of documented record. I told Gerald Suster about it, he picked up on it and was more verbal about it than I to other people, including Steve Wilson who afterwards told quite a few people, or so I was given to understand, attributing it to Gerald rather than myself although I didn't want to make a fuss about it then or now as being important, and am only saying so now as an example "for the (historical) record" & putting it straight.

 

@jamiebarter

 

Hey that's far out.....you're joking, right?


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02/03/2020 12:44 am  
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you're joking, right?

I think I made a similar statement (without details). I don't think either of us are joking. But you appear to be incredulous.


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02/03/2020 1:10 am  

Why on earth would anyone expect warnings about CO2 emissions in Liber AL?


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02/03/2020 1:34 am  
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Why on earth would anyone expect warnings about CO2 emissions in Liber AL?

Holy Books are holy, holistic, wholistic, whole. They are expected to cover the whole spectrum. Liber AL didn't warn me about eating poisoned fish, or even which stocks to buy. So, I dunno, I'll bet there are even more things to be unwarned.


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02/03/2020 4:03 pm  

Climate will always change, humans or no. Hell climate change gave humans a chance in the first place. It's just a part of nature even if we add to it, even factoring in that humans evolved to use nature in such a way. This interests me about our species, just like how we freak out about the extinction of species when that always has and always will be part of nature. Considering the nature of Nuit I'm not sure why something that will and has happened would need a special mention. Meanwhile things like WWII and the Satanic Panic are explicitly prophesized because they're not just "part of nature". 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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Climate will always change, humans or no. Hell climate change gave humans a chance in the first place. It's just a part of nature even if we add to it

I will agree with that. Wisdom lies in adapting to what is, not what was, or what we want it to be.

Scientists have developed various forms of weather control. The earliest was rain dances or similar ceremonials. After the Wright Brothers invention, they couldn't wait to seed clouds with chemicals to make rain. Today it's more sophisticated. I wonder how much of this "fiddling" with nature" has contributed to the present crisis?

Actually, I don't wonder. I foresaw all this back in the 60s, and I've discussed it, and written about it. I am currently (non)seeking some agency or org that will award me prophet status. Does anyone feel I should approach the (c)OTO?

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This interests me about our species, just like how we freak out about the extinction of species when that always has and always will be part of nature.

Yes. It's mostly western Christian ethics, or Buddhism in the Orient. Real third-world civilizations will kill any edible (or pest) species into extinction without yama/niyama considerations. I don't think it's our species, it's which culture within our species that makes any decision ("save the diamondback rattlesnake")("let's eat that last wild pig")..

 


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02/03/2020 7:29 pm  
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Warrior Lord of the 40s'?

This seems to be accepted as a prophecy but that sentence in Liber AL has a second half that doesn't get as much attention.

"...solve the first half of the equation, leave the second unattacked"

So far I haven't found any convincing explanations for how the "Eighties" cowered and were abased. If its not talking about the 1980s but some future 80s then it seems a bit of a "cheat", if nothing happens in the 2080s we can just say maybe its the 2180s and so on.


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02/03/2020 8:45 pm  

I sat there, in Ensenada, in 1979, with Frater Mont, and we discussed the new Ayatollah of Persia, as we drew up the guidelines for the opening of a new order (which did open, did survive without environmental or establishmental friction, remains active today). Iran closed off and is causing trembles today.

We also knew and discussed the Eve of the 80s, a concept dear to our heart because, frankly, we were right there ... with insider trading quotes from AL.

That didn't help us find a solution.

As I see it, and this concept is not from Aiwass or even any part of me that is not my mind, I say it's the digital-electrical-radio-BORG Revolution. That moved right in, mass-wise, in the early '80s, and changed life forever (until the electricity goes off).

I can suggest that the 80s were abased ("laid low") because silicon digits began to invade carbon-based units (us). But that's so subjective, science-fictionish, and ridiculous, that I will not be seeking the Nobel Prize in Metaphysics.

 

 


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02/03/2020 11:54 pm  

: @michael-staley
Why on earth would anyone expect warnings about CO2 emissions in Liber AL?

Does AL even contain warnings?     

 


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03/03/2020 12:12 am  
Posted by: @dom

Does AL even contain warnings?

Yeah. It warns the Scarlet Womam to not leave her job.

Maybe some others?


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Posted by: @dom

Warrior Lord of the 40s'?

This seems to be accepted as a prophecy but that sentence in Liber AL has a second half that doesn't get as much attention.

"...solve the first half of the equation, leave the second unattacked"

So far I haven't found any convincing explanations for how the "Eighties" cowered and were abased. If its not talking about the 1980s but some future 80s then it seems a bit of a "cheat", if nothing happens in the 2080s we can just say maybe its the 2180s and so on.

The Satanic Panic in the 80s.

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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03/03/2020 1:38 am  
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: @michael-staley
Why on earth would anyone expect warnings about CO2 emissions in Liber AL?

Does AL even contain warnings?     

 

It prophesized WWII and the Satanic Panic, along with the death of Crowley's child, at the least. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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03/03/2020 2:17 am  
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It prophesized WWII and the Satanic Panic,

The Mike Warnke of it All.


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The Satanic Panic in the 80s

I heard of ww2, but never heard of that one. I was in Colorado & Washington in the 80s, but most of my time was Calif-bound. Here I was, sitting on the ground zero of this sort of thing (Hollywood, L.A., Santa Monica). Where did this take place, and who panicked?

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It prophesized WWII and the Satanic Panic, along with the death of Crowley's child, at the least.

Your "at least" can be reduced to lesser numbers. Those are not prophecies than hold up under rigid anal ysis.

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Mike Warnke

"Michael Alfred "Mike" Warnke (born November 19, 1946) is an American Christian evangelist and comedian who was exposed in 1992 for inventing stories of a Satanic past.[1] Before being debunked by the Christian magazine Cornerstone, he was viewed as an "expert" on Satanism in the 1980s."

Okay. I proclaim this to be mildly interesting, but not near ww2, or on any scale that would indicate widespread abasement.

I lived in a basement in 1971, and another two (2) in '72. In Vancouver, Brit Columbia. I would count that as abasement ("laid low"), but the years don't match the "professy."


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03/03/2020 4:11 am  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

The Satanic Panic in the 80s

Hmm... I haven't heard this take on it before.

Posted by: @shiva

Those are not prophecies than hold up under rigid anal ysis.

Nothing in AL holds up under rigid analysis.

Posted by: @shiva

abasement ("laid low")

The other idea is that the "Forties/Eighties" aren't years and that its just more "numerological nonsense" like all the other numbers mentioned in the book. I haven't figured it out but the "abased" could suggest the "bases" numbers are represented in.


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03/03/2020 7:48 am  
Posted by: @duck

Nothing in AL holds up under rigid analysis.

Well, there are some things that are pretty clear. Even strict anal sizing still leaves me with a clear picture of Had and Nu, and some of the numbers are clear cut. For example, you just used the word Nothing.

Nothing is a secret key of this knowledge61 the Jews call it. I call it 8, 80, 418."
I hope I quoted that properly.

Okay. Ain = Nothing = 61. Bingo.

I've not seen it written, but TAO = 9+1+70 = 80.

So some things stand up under even superficial analizing.

I have, of course, selected an easy example. If you were to say the hardline puzzles can be collected and put in a box, and nobody can do nothing to unlock it, I'd be much more agreeable.

Posted by: @duck

The other idea is that the "Forties/Eighties" aren't years and that its just more "numerological nonsense" like all the other numbers mentioned in the book.

In general, The Book of Lies reflects this concept. The 40s chapters are cool, with Mass of the Phoenix and stuff like that, while the 80s are after Laylah took off and Perdurabo was eating Shinola with other sad tales.

 


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03/03/2020 7:56 am  

@duck

 

So far I haven't found any convincing explanations for how the "Eighties" cowered and were abased. If its not talking about the 1980s but some future 80s then it seems a bit of a "cheat", if nothing happens in the 2080s we can just say maybe its the 2180s and so on.

 

See '1980s nuclear arms race' and 'cold war'.

You obviously weren't alive in the 80s when stocking up for a nuclear winter was a possible option.  


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03/03/2020 1:56 pm  

There is absolutely no evidence that said versus refer to a decade of casual time on the vulgar calendar. To suggest it is anything other than a qaballistic mystery for the reader to uncover for themselves is foolish.

Force and Fire is not metaphorical. In Prophetes Veritas Venit.


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03/03/2020 3:31 pm  
Posted by: @dom

You obviously weren't alive in the 80s when stocking up for a nuclear winter was a possible option.  

But Aiwass I was. I didn't stock up, nor anyone I knew or saw. Any nuclear winter or stocking up was on a small scale (compared to ww2).

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There is absolutely no evidence that said versus refer to a decade

Correct. It's just a first reaction/consideration ... because it's so obviously an easy guess.


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03/03/2020 5:28 pm  
Posted by: @dom

You obviously weren't alive in the 80s

"Before Cybertron was, AIWAZ"

source

Yeah, I was just a (fairly dumb) kid in the 80s, so I wasn't aware of all the events that were going on. I do remember hearing about the Chernobyl incident though. I grew up in Finland and can remember hearing about the "radioactive cloud" that might blow over. I thought of it more like a "big mean cloud" who should just go away and leave us alone. 😊 The "radio cloud" I called it. 😊  This fear could be interpreted as "cowering and being abased".

 

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'1980s nuclear arms race' and 'cold war'

There may be something to this. If we think of the "Warrior Lord" as nuclear power/weapons, then the "40s/80s" makes some sense. Its a double-edged "sword" (or Double Wand of Power) that can be used for "good" or "evil".


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03/03/2020 5:59 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

I sat there, in Ensenada, in 1979, with Frater Mont, and we discussed the new Ayatollah of Persia, as we drew up the guidelines for the opening of a new order (which did open, did survive without environmental or establishmental friction, remains active today). Iran closed off and is causing trembles today.

We also knew and discussed the Eve of the 80s, a concept dear to our heart because, frankly, we were right there ... with insider trading quotes from AL.

That didn't help us find a solution.

As I see it, and this concept is not from Aiwass or even any part of me that is not my mind, I say it's the digital-electrical-radio-BORG Revolution. That moved right in, mass-wise, in the early '80s, and changed life forever (until the electricity goes off).

I can suggest that the 80s were abased ("laid low") because silicon digits began to invade carbon-based units (us). But that's so subjective, science-fictionish, and ridiculous, that I will not be seeking the Nobel Prize in Metaphysics.

 

 

yes. 

1980's = start of mass media via near instant transmission- not just radio or paper but faxes, internet, IRC, conspiracy forums, first explosion of previously 'hidden' information on the WWW detailing the nature of Establishment conspiracies/crimes, insider trading, computer algorithmic trading, the INSLAW debacle, fall of the USSR, currency manipulation, PROMIS software, drug trading, keeping track of profits/slaves/secrets online in 'secure' databases, hacking, phreaking, cocaine, New Wave, materialism. 

 

Excuse me.  *wipes mouth* 


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03/03/2020 6:29 pm  

@duck

There may be something to this. If we think of the "Warrior Lord" as nuclear power/weapons, then the "40s/80s" makes some sense. Its a double-edged "sword" (or Double Wand of Power) that can be used for "good" or "evil".

 

Some say HADIT is sub quantal as oppose to all of Space i.e. 'nuclear'.  40s Hiroshima,  80s Reagan's arms race.  


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03/03/2020 6:44 pm  

Not sure how I missed that, the fear of nuclear war was way more global than the Satanic Panic. My family had to do the whole diving under desk practices. I love how that's supposed to save you from a nuke!

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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03/03/2020 10:55 pm  

@set-tetu-ra

 

So how do you explain accurate prediction of events decades into the future?


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03/03/2020 11:36 pm  

Liber Al is like a Biblical text insofar as it deals with timeless themes and issues. It is written in Bible-speak.   It's almost like it would be fully comprehended by anyone from any century in the times of the Old Testament onwards.  The are a few references or indications of  technology but they are basic and not at all necessarily modern ie the making of  'jewellery' and 'garments' or mining (of silver or gold).    The war-technology is only specified as 'enginery' but 'swords and spears' are mentioned. 


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04/03/2020 12:21 am  
Posted by: @shiva

For example, you just used the word Nothing.

Yeah, there might have been a joke in there somewhere (I don't remember). As to the numbers being "clear cut", who are we to assume they should all be in boring old base 10. 😉 Thanks for the TAO =80, I've not seen that one before. 

I am planning a write-up of one interpretation of the whole "61" and "8, 80, 418" thing, which I hope will be my "magnum-opus"-est post so far on this website. Its based on some of the "findings" that developed on a thread recently.


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04/03/2020 12:26 am  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

I love how that's supposed to save you from a nuke!

That was in the early 1950s. I was never forced under my desk after 1952. The "why" was explained to us. If the nuke was half a mile away, it might well incinerate the school and all pupils. If the nuke is ten miles away, it will merely shatter the glass, so we all "dropped" on command ("DROP!) to avoid flying glass. We all knew a nearby strike would not emit a flash, that the teacher would see (and yell) before we got fried.

 


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04/03/2020 11:14 pm  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

Not sure how I missed that

Yeah. I was pretty skeptical about finding an answer for the "80s" part of that prophecy. After contemplating @dom's post and thinking of the "Warrior Lord" in "nuclear" terms I'm a bit more convinced now.

A fun cheesy old 80s film that sums up this "cowering abasedness" and shows the early days of the internet/personal computers that were mentioned, WarGames (1983)(trailer):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLKyqPOqiEY

(can't remember if I saw that in the actual 80s or a bit later).

 

Posted by: @shiva

Okay. Ain = Nothing = 61. Bingo.

I've not seen it written, but TAO = 9+1+70 = 80.

I forgot to add:

As you may know, with "A=0, B=1, C=2..." N+O+T+H+I+N+G (13+14+19+7+8+13+6) adds up to 80. I don't know how significant (or not) this is.

 

Posted by: @dom

The war-technology is only specified as 'enginery' but 'swords and spears' are mentioned. 

I suspected the word "engine(ry)" had the same root as "ingenuity" and it turns out it has. To me this suggests the engine/enginery mentioned is "mental" in some way.


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04/03/2020 11:32 pm  

@duck

Hey looks like I got a convert on the 40s/80s.   AC would argue this away as drivel...even though he stated that the future events predicted in AL gives it it's miraculous validity.  I think he mentioned the beetle invasion... no not the Mersey beat... but something that happened to him. 

 

 Yes Ferris Bueller was in Wargames and it was a movie of it's time.  

 

I suspected the word "engine(ry)" had the same root as "ingenuity" and it turns out it has. To me this suggests the engine/enginery mentioned is "mental" in some way.

See commentary on AL maybe. 


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05/03/2020 12:52 am  
Posted by: @duck

To me this suggests the engine/enginery mentioned is "mental" in some way.

It's (mostly) ALL mental, although a small percentage of manual dexterity, spacial perception, and conformity to reality on or near planet Earth helps make it practical.


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