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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

So we have the division.

Essentially, simply understanding the full paralanguage of the numbers 0, 1, and 2, is the only step, but! I am not saying that the others are not important, but the "division" into 0.12 is the first step is all we need, really!

We could put away the rest of the book and reverse engineer all of the "meaning" simply from the splendor of these numbers alone!

And we agree that 0, 1, and 2 is that answer, and that is not my interpretation, that is not my spin, that is in both the written voice of Nuit and Aleister Crowley, and taken at face value interpretation.

Now "face value interpretation", that is a paralanguage itself.

For example, all mathematics is read with "face value interpretation" of the text.

We don't need to translate math, and we dont need to translate or project meaning onto any text that requires face value interpretation, right?

1 + 1 = 2 ONLY means that and nothing else, right? That is face value.

So I am going to propose that the "para-langauge" of "face value interpretation"

So, Nuits instruction, taken at face value, looking at directly what is in front of us, how the text presents itself, devoid of interpretations, she tells us the first step is to divide, and we do, and we get 0.12.

Then she tells us to add.

Well if we are following face value instructions, we add "that which remains" from the first instruction, 0.12.

We can discard the 0 and the " . ", that is irrelevant, we just need to add 1 + 2. That is the only numbers remaining to add.

3 of course is the number of ternary paralanguage and paralogic.

It is literally a non-dual language that employs three truth values.

At face value, we can follow the instruction from that which remains from the previous one, so now we have to "multiply" 3.

Well that is easy, 3 x 3 = 9.

Loaded with esoteric meaning, but to a mathematician, this is a "nesting" number. It is a naturally occurring organizing principle, like "a seed that begets a tree, that begets more seeds"

This is the number of recapitulation, repetition, distribution.

This is interpreted at face value that 0.12 is everywhere, Nu, Had, RHK are everywhere recapitulating, and if we understand their formula, we can apply it everywhere.

And by everywhere, I mean everywhere.

I know it has occult and esoteric meaning, but that is all just "syncro-mysticism", we don't really need esoteric languages much in the text. Maybe a little, but not as much as people assume.

In the language of math, face value interpretation, we want to keep that perspective, since this is Nuit's language, her request, her instruction.

Nuit is "neat" and extremely orderly.

If she tells me that I just need to do this simple operation to "understand" her word and speech, I want to see what happens if I follow that, to the "letter" so to speak.

So whatever rules govern the numbers 0, 1, and 2, I am going to use to apply to the text, and only those rules.

What rules govern 0, 1, and 2?

Specifically, 0, 1, and 2 is, in math and logic, other than being a "base three counting set", are the integers for para-consistent ternary logic.

This gives us three truth values now with which to assign to each number.

0 = Unknown

1 = True

2 = False.

So far, I have not interpretted anything arriving at all of this.

Do you follow the steps I have taken so far, before I continue?

Do you agree that

• The "voice" of Nuit is using a paralanguage that requires "face-value" interpretation and can be used only in face value interpretation without applying additional "esoteric" interpretations to the text?
• That the face value interpretation of the text and operation confirms that
• Ternary logic, 0, 1 and 2, and base three counting, 0, 1, and 2, along with the entire dynamics of a number line, are available to use as tools to use, apply, and test to see if it works within the full body of the text?

Follow?

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson

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sangewanchuck56 wrote:

"Aleister Crowley tells us that the division of fifty into 6 is 0.12.

He also tells us, directly, that this is the same as Nuit, Hadit, and RaHoorKhuit."

Nuit:                       0

Ra-Hoor-Khuit:   2

In Liber Nu, verse 4, Aleister Crowley wrote:

"Consider of six and fifty that 50 ÷ 6 = 0.12.

0   the circumference, Nuit.

1   the unity proceeding, Ra-Hoor-Khuit.

2   the world of illusion."

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Posted by: @kidneyhawk

Gate, Gate, Paragate, Parasamgate, Bodhi Svaha HUM!

I really hope you're female, because I have a crush on you

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

Language is weak-but I'll keep on speaking.

Drinks later?

I can put on my cutest outfit.

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

He really doesn't have melt-downs. Not saying he's perfect but he IS a "Wise One."

Oh I trust that you have an eye for talent, no doubt, but he was the one who told me he was having a meltdown in his own para-language.

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

They become demeaning if sarcastic.

That depends on the paralanguage, no?

Strolling into a comedy store together, on our first date perhaps if you are indeed the lovely female I totally am imaging you to be, and we sit down, order two drinks, watch the show and we notice a heckler in the audience, shouting whatevers to the comedian, teasing him or her, whose sarcasm is part of the show, part of the para-language, and the comedian is sarcastic back, and its all one big win win, no "ill intentions", but the natural state of the text of their words could certainly appear harsh if no one understood they were in a Comedian's night club, but rather assumed their were in a college class, experiencing everything happening in an entirely different para-language.

Point is, there is always hope 🙂

It is clear that Liber AL is not a book addressed at the "face value" mindset of the masses.

Well, lets only speak of the local community here, hehe.

If everyone here can get it, then the masses can get it, and the masses eventually WILL get paralanguage, even if they don't get it from Liber al Vel Legis.

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

I think the issue I am observing is that you seem to have switched into the polarity of "Teacher Mode" and abandoned "Beginner/Chela/Pupil/Learner" mind.

It does seem that way, sure.

So you "really" aren't interested in interacting with the ALL through DOM and TIGER.

Not true, quite the contrary. I believe I gave them wonderful openings to participate with me, multiple times.

Additionally, this process we are all in now, having this group process together, sharing in the equanimity of the text together, wow it is highly illuminating. I've learned more in the past two weeks than i have the past 10 years.

Ya'll priceless.

Especially you, cutie, hehe.

Always a reasonable consideration.

I don't know you or what is really going on in your inner spaces.

Always the step of 100% certainty that never disappoints, offers continual consistency.

And thus I am, genuinely, respectful and have no quarrel to offer here.

Oh you're communication is absolutely lovely!

It is a treat!

Quarrel? Why quarrel?

We've not really engaged much on this forum but I have, personally, found some of your enthusiastic contributions to be both interesting and entertaining.

I trust you have fair judgement 🙂

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

We both know this is the approach to our Universe at large. It's the reply of Chogyam Trungpa when he was asked if he recognized anyone living as a true and genuine guru. Trungpa replied: "Situations are my guru" (this is from Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism).

The approach to the universe at macro but also micro, to each other directly.

We are going to project on each other anyway, right?

Might as well turn you into the Mother Tara, enlightening me.

This is our budda nature, no?

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

You have no idea what the wizards saw.

And apparently, you are quite correct here, I surrender my position 🙂

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

Spelled backwards is STAR.

Indeed, silver no doubt.

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

You'll do as good as we do. And in the end, there is no difference.

Anytime you want to jump in and take over, give me a few days off?

hehe

Really nice to meet you!

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson

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Posted by: @soz

sangewanchuck56 wrote:

"Aleister Crowley tells us that the division of fifty into 6 is 0.12.

He also tells us, directly, that this is the same as Nuit, Hadit, and RaHoorKhuit."

Nuit:                       0

Ra-Hoor-Khuit:   2

In Liber Nu, verse 4, Aleister Crowley wrote:

"Consider of six and fifty that 50 ÷ 6 = 0.12.

0   the circumference, Nuit.

1   the unity proceeding, Ra-Hoor-Khuit.

2   the world of illusion."

The specific text I am using is In Liber CL: de lege libellum, Crowley writes “Also I would have you to meditate closely upon the name NU that is 56, which we are told to divide, add, multiply, and understand."By division cometh forth 0.12, as if it were written Nuith! Hadith! Ra-HoorKhuith! before the Dyad.

Crowley was pretty close in his assignments, but he was also off, and I know that sounds incredibly obnoxious for me to say, but I only say that because I do not believe in 1904, 1910, whenever, it was psychologically or linguistically possible to "be clear" about this using language to communicate non-dual paralanguage and he literally did the best he could.

To assign the 0, 1, and 2 we only need to apply the rules of 0, 1, and 2 and let those rules inform us how to assign.

Crowley was attempting to assign the numbers to the "language" of Hadit, which is prose and not really a good map for the elegance of 0, 1, and 2.

Now, all three of these voices, Nu, Had, RHK, they are all 0 1 and 2 each, in completely different manners.

Because this is a paralanguage, we never get to have a purely isolated 0, 1, or 2 in expression. Like in the Tao Te Jing, we never get "pure yang" or "pure yin" because they don't work without each other and without each other, there is no paralanguage.

So yes, of course Crowley is not wrong, but we also don't know how he arrived at that other than just making it a "point" to "point out" that there is a "point" in 0.12, and perhaps he saw that useful for some reason, and that would just be an example of a "provisional" interpretation of the text, but I am suggesting that it is not the "definitive" meaning, because the definitive meaning can be derived from the rules themselves of 0, 1, and 2 exactly as Nuit instructs us to do.

I want to make sure we have some sort of consensus here before I explain too much more.

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson

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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

I really hope you're female, because I have a crush on you

Why would citing the Heart Sutra have that effect?

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

Drinks later?

I can put on my cutest outfit.

I quote a Christian Rock Band and get invited out. Alas, I have no interest in the "Tush of Chuck." Still, Pints are allright.

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

Oh I trust that you have an eye for talent, no doubt, but he was the one who told me he was having a meltdown in his own para-language.

I have a lot of respect for Shiva. This is based on his many posts here and his literary output. He has wisdom and he knows the score. Challenge him. Fight him. It's all good. But he is a Brother of the School which has no name. Meltdowns in "para-language" may be play-acting. Remember your Uncle William O'Neill who wrote "Opposition is True Friendship."

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

I believe I gave them wonderful openings to participate with me, multiple times.

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

I gave them wonderful openings to participate with me, multiple times.

Have you not thought of engaging with THEM?

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

I've learned more in the past two weeks than i have the past 10 years.

Are you now being sarcastic? I suspect so. You've shown up to enlighten us all as to the ultimate revelation of AL. I doubt we've been brought any closer to that "other shore."

But I AM observing you seeming to struggle with a certain A.A. Grade. Can you guess what I am referring to?

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

Especially you, cutie, hehe.

No idea how old you are but some of us watched cartoons. Some of us watched our KIDS watching cartoons. I remember an episode of FLAPJACK where the Captain was asked what the difference was between a man and women. The Captain replied: What makes a woman a woman is that she's beautiful. And what makes a man a man is that...he's ugly.

I'm ugly.

Doesn't mean we can't have a pint and fight as brothers, now.

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

Really nice to meet you!

And you, Chuck.

Cheers!

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and sorry for the double post, but just to make a suggestion and save us a lot of time.

We want to look at how the numbers, 0, 1, and 2, are themselves a paralanguage on the number line itself, before we assign a 0, 1, or 2 to a chapter of Liber al Vel Legis

the number 1 is also a paralanguage

the number 2 is also another kind of paralanguage

and the number 0 is a really really strange kind of paralanguage, all together.

Three paralanguages there on the number line.

Can you see this yet?

I can explain where you need, it all gets easy after this step.

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson

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Posted by: @kidneyhawk

Have you not thought of engaging with THEM?

i have, exactly to the degree with which they have engaged me, plus 1.

They don't respond.

Well, Tiger mainly, Dom is cool, he is quick and to the point and me too.

I have no problems with Dom at all, is there an issue there?

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

Are you now being sarcastic? I suspect so. You've shown up to enlighten us all as to the ultimate revelation of AL. I doubt we've been brought any closer to that "other shore."

I was being, and am still being, completely sincere. This is an historical conversation from my perspective. I wish you could see what else is attached to this on my end, I really do!

Meltdowns in "para-language" may be play-acting. Remember your Uncle William O'Neill who wrote "Opposition is True Friendship."

Well exactly, I was play acting and he told me he thought I was having a meltdown.

Now was he meta gaming my meta game?

Damn that's some kung fu there.

I was hoping that the entire time, and still am so I hope you are correct!

But I AM observing you seeming to struggle with a certain A.A. Grade. Can you guess what I am referring to?

IN the game of paralanguage, guessing does not exist. Please enlighten me, kindly!

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

I'm ugly.

Doesn't mean we can't have a pint and fight as brothers, now.

haha!

right on!

I had a false idea I was hoping was a true one!

I win again, damn!

But surely, we can both be handsome chaps, rugged, keen, without appeal to brokeback mountain theme, hehe.

lets keep this going!

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson

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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

I was being, and am still being, completely sincere. This is an historical conversation from my perspective. I wish you could see what else is attached to this on my end, I really do!

It is quite an interesting conversation and I do believe you are quite sincere.

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

IN the game of paralanguage, guessing does not exist. Please enlighten me, kindly!

I'm not playing this game. I obviously saw you as being at a certain A.A. Grade and dealing with a challenge there. It's my perspective point and I have no "enlightenment" to offer. For YOU are the one who ought be "enlightened" to the position you hold. I was curious as to how you might assess yourself. But it may also be poor manners to address this in a public forum. In which case, please forgive me. My position here is not one of fighting with you. As I said above, I am catching up with this thread and I find your words to be quite interesting and entertaining.

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

I had a false idea I was hoping was a true one!

Sorry to disappoint. But now we know you'd like a girlfriend. Lashtal is probably not your best hope for a dating site. I hope you can find a female who makes you happy in the near future.

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

But surely, we can both be handsome chaps, rugged, keen, without appeal to brokeback mountain theme, hehe.

We can certainly be well-met upon the Royal Road, what some call "The Path." I'm grateful for my friends and helpers upon the Way. These will include Shiva, Tiger and many others.

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

lets keep this going!

Indeed. These days, I tend to weave in and out of threads but I remain an enthusiastic supporter of this site and check into the forums quite often. I look forward to more of your posts and wish you a good evening! 🙂

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Posted by: @kidneyhawk

I doubt we've been brought any closer to that "other shore."

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I doubt we've been brought any closer to that "other shore."

It’s possible sangewanchuck might have studied for 20 years then checked for 20 years with a need to push; but might enter the phase where he will go beyond explanations, scripture, paralanguage, ink and parker pens; realizing that cake is not tasted that way.

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Good new day everyone!

Is everyone following the steps I have taken so far in the walkthrough to arrive at the secret word yet?

Is this too much work for not enough reward?

Kinda funny, the children of the new aeon just might not be that interested in arriving at the secret word because, well it ain't click-baity enough. That would be appropriate, hehe.

I missed a number of posts yesterday, attempting to keep up with the flow.

I am going to finish them all in this one, long winded, ranting, raving, post.

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

And while we're at it: when you said it would be strengthening the meaning of "spit on it" or "I spit on your crapulous creeds", really wouldn't you agree that this is not right.

Consider, it is 1904. We are still in the throws of Victorian England

It is already "bad enough" so to speak, that Liber al Vel Legis is taking a small collection of Dieties from world religions and "spitting" on them.

Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if the printed text actually said " I SHIT ON YOUR CRAPULOUS CREEDS"? I mean, especially in all-caps, those would have been hanging words.

And consider the view here, not from the view of the bird him/herself doing the deed, but the perception of the "other" hearing the phrase.

Shitting all over your house is far more intense than just spitting in your house.

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff Spitting is the ultimate condescending gesture, requiring no time or effort, just a little moisture (which normally can be produced at all times easily) while shitting is quite complex, it requires filled bowels, getting rid of your clothing in the designated area, a good standing, quite some time actually.

Well I believe spitting is likely more of a "gentlemen's" sport than actually taking a huge dump, but consider the PASSION of intentionally taking a shit on something sacred.

Yes, that takes energy, intention, the WHOLE BODY is into it.

A "spit", in comparison, is weak.

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff So, while it might sound more hilarious to the juvenile, it also is way less condescending and making-a-point in my view.

"Shitting" has multiple meanings, for "shit" marks territory, has "intention", is also a "healthy aspect of a healthy system".

And RHK does not tell us to find an island and "spit it about" with enginery of war, we are told to "dung it about" with enginery of war.

He does not "spit" on just anything, he SHITS on CRAPULOUS creeds.

Because we follow the paralanguage guide how to read and understand the text, one is "looking" into the word to understand meaning, the other is "listening" to the word to understand meaning.

What are "crapulous" creeds if we look into the word?

See the word CRAP there, standing out?

If we listen to the word "CRAPULOUS", we see the extension "ous", which means "full of". So the word "sounds like" RHK is saying their creeds are FULL OF SHIT.

So you tell me, If I were to say "THELEMA IS FULL OF SHIT", that sure would "sound" pretty defiant, right?

If we know the "code" here for dung, which CROWLEY TELLS US, then we know how to actually read the text from the view above the abyss.

So the interpreted phrase "I SHIT ON YOUR CRAPULOUS CREEDS" decoded within the paralanguage, "means" RHK is telling world religions that he can view their "underlying purity", and that all religions are all teaching "Sunyata" through "provisional" teachings, and the RHK has so much "wisdom", he can shit it out.

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

But I AM observing you seeming to struggle with a certain A.A. Grade. Can you guess what I am referring to?

So this stayed with me and then it came to me what you are most likely talking about. It can only be one thing actually, and in this conversation I was faced with a "challenge" (not an ordeal!) and I was clear that I, how should I put this without sounding like an ass, I "erred" on the side of "caution" shall we say.

Which is entirely inappropriate!

So if you saw what I am talking about, good eye and please stick around, I always need all the help I can get.

For me it is more like "fine-tuning" at this stage, and believe it or not I never enjoy people feeling hurt!

Posted by: @tiger

It’s possible sangewanchuck might have studied for 20 years then checked for 20 years with a need to push; but might enter the phase where he will go beyond explanations, scripture, paralanguage, ink and parker pens; realizing that cake is not tasted that way.

C'mon Tiger, let's give this another shot, eh?

Someone on this forum, who I respect, and who I believe has a broad view, suggested I may not have engaged with you in a manner that would be expected of my fun loving, thoughtful, compassionate personality.

I have a question for you, kindly answer?

Why do you always introduce concepts about me when I am posting about Non-Duality?

I want to tell you something, about what you wrote above.

Specifically:

20 years with a need to push; but might enter the phase where he will go beyond explanations, scripture, paralanguage, ink and parker pens; realizing that cake is not tasted that way.

You have this perfectly opposite.

Too perfectly.

You have done this twice now so far in the conversation.

The first time you did it, I kid you not, I cried a little bit (in a very manly, rugged, handsome way, of course!)

It choked me up.

My Journey began without the push.

It started with the cake.

A cake that I could both keep, and eat.

And share.

I was afraid of pushing cake into people's faces.

It was the push that I tried to avoid as much as possible for 20 years.

So where you think I will eventually find myself is exactly where my journey began.

Odd how our concepts of each other, they can flip, they can mirror, they can deceive, they can enlighten.

No?

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson

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I am sorry for the double post! Truly!

To clarify where we are in the step.

Nuit says DIVIDE ADD MULTIPLY AND UNDERSTAND

She does not say "know"

There is a HUGE distinction between "knowing" something and UNDERSTANDING something.

The closer we get to an absolute state, a little bit by little bit, we come to understand things that we do not know.

For example;

I, for 100% certainty, know that E = MC2.

I also know I am not wrong about that!

And if anyone was to ever say E=HN6, oh boy would I rush to correct them!

I just do not understand what E=MC2 means.

I can't do anything with it, really.

A lion does not "know" how to hunt.

A lion "understands" how to hunt.

So "understanding" 0, 1, and 2 is what Nuit wants us to do, not just "know" that it is a number to undertand Liber Al Vel Legis.

So this is where we all left off.

How do we come to assign 0, 1, and 2 to specific CHAPTERS of Liber al Vel Legis?

This is a very important part of decoding the text.

We want to look at how the numbers, 0, 1, and 2, are themselves a paralanguage on the number line itself, before we assign a 0, 1, or 2 to a chapter of Liber al Vel Legis

the number 1 is also a paralanguage

the number 2 is also another kind of paralanguage

and the number 0 is a really really strange kind of paralanguage, all together.

Three paralanguages there on the number line.

Can you see this yet?

I can explain where you need, it all gets easy after this step.

But I can't tell what anyone can or cannot see until they tell me, so I can only explain more if some of you all chime in, and skepticism preferred.

Cheers!

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson

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That other ("Discrepancies") thread got derailed with off-topic enthusiasm. So I created this thread ("Non-Dual") so that the deviator could have a place to discuss The Resolution of Discrepancies.

Instead, we get a wagon load of shit and endless discussions about who did what first to whomever, with long, long posts.

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Posted by: @shiva

That other ("Discrepancies") thread got derailed with off-topic enthusiasm. So I created this thread ("Non-Dual") so that the deviator could have a place to discuss The Resolution of Discrepancies.

Instead, we get a wagon load of shit and endless discussions about who did what first to whomever, with long, long posts.

Well I am certainly going to enjoy the conflict resolution on this one!

Shiva, once you learn the "non-dual" ternary paralanguage encrypted in Liber al Vel Legis, you will learn marvelous new ways to troll a discussion beyond your wildest imagination.

I only address what people introduce into the discussion, with pretty clear intention.

Conversations become about "self and other" because that is what some but not all members of this community introduce into the flow of discussion.

A consistent pattern I have found on almost all online discussions.

We may "think" we are having a conversation, sharing "fun facts" about our knowledge, etc, but most of the time we are just playing a game of "self and other", by any means necessary.

I hope you are enjoying your cake 🙂

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson

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Understood as I understand understanding to be beyond aggregates of mathematical maneuvers, which of course are clues as they invite a doing by which one might ponder, for it should be understood that the numbers are written out as words in what is Chapter I or is it really Chapter O!

Oh I get it, why of course as I wrote to Grant in '97 EV...but I won't be vulgar...

Now are you really turning shit into gold.... why everyone wants the formula, but you have but a few buyers, but the momentum is starting to build and soon...and just when...then will you be silent just like the singing frog in the WB cartoon...."hello my baby, hello my darling, hello my rag time girl"........"wribbitt...wribbitt....wribbitt"....yes back to the swamp...or the LA desert...why even the Tiger will be crying for more!

Flush...and in the vortex the word was heard and vestiges of the daily scatological reading disappeared in a swirl....

Now wash one' s hands and greet the world!

So did Crowley really shit on people's carpets(?)...I am surprised that this has not been the great debate that takes us off track, did he really lay a  turd on the oriental(?)..well thank God we are not concerning ourselves with such minutia, monstrous and smelly....why it is the big hunt we are after and paralanguage is as exciting as hunting Hagis....

Now I am starting to appreciate the cross word puzzles as well and why alVel has a certain symmetry between as the V could be a V in Latin and thus a five or even if we go Hebrew Golden Dawn, the first shit of the day, why the V is a Vau and so a 6 is so found. L of course is Latin for 50, but being a dead language we can then translate the baby as a Nun, and let this baby swim... which brings us with the V to  NV a Fifty and a Six  or NU...and it we add the el to the V for the Vel, then we add the NU we have NUEL.....

"Liber N Vel Legis"

Nu-el~ Noel.....a Child is Born!...... for it is the Aeon of the Child is it not! A god child....

Not not... whose there?

No, its- knock knock knock (according to an appropriate numeric formula and cadence)

whose knocking?

Well this all  implies a door, which implies a here and a there, but lets not get confused, for you see there are others who really want rosy cheeks, and you Sanguine Chuck are saying they need to just be embarrassed enough to know that, we are all born bare assed into this world....and  the answer is preverbal perhaps as paralanguage is post verbal...and as we are mixed....or divided ...like division(?!)... useful before adding and multiplying...

So what does all this have to do with energized enthusiasm?

Capisce!

~93

HG

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So did Crowley really shit on people's carpets(?)...I am surprised that this has not been the great debate that takes us off track, did he really lay a  turd on the oriental(?)..well thank God we are not concerning ourselves with such minutia, monstrous and smelly....why it is the big hunt we are after and paralanguage is as exciting as hunting Hagis....

Well, it is what it's all about now, isn't it?

You're welcome.

Love=Law

Lutz

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So what does all this have to do with energized enthusiasm?

The topic is "Non-Dual," not E.'.E.'., nor ShT, nor Paralingo.

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@sangewanchuck56

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That was some writing! What a contribution! This community really has some swell craft afoot!

What an incredible piece of media we are all forming, this work book we are creating, preserved forever, behind locked glass.

A global collaborative discussion on the internet is a studio, a laboratory, a shrine, a ritual, a library, a museum, a dojo, therapy, a trial, a place to study, inspire, learn, weave, write, fight, live, love, and maybe, just maybe, find a date.

Never in the history of the world has such media been created 🙂

So what does all this have to do with energized enthusiasm?

"Through the fourth, ultimate sparks of the intimate fire"

Posted by: @shiva

The topic is "Non-Dual," not E.'.E.'., nor ShT, nor Paralingo.

Shiva, I can't wait until Lashtal realizes that, eventually, they will discover they have to archive this discussion into some category of "most significant discovery of things around Crowley", and realize then that Lashtal itself is one of those files that needs to go into the file cabinet.

Yet Lashtal is the file cabinet.

How do you put the file cabinet in the file cabinet?

What a fun conundrum that will be faced.

Utterly impossible to solve mathematically, this problem.

Things will begin to drift!

See, the great Wizard Kurt Godel showed us mathematically, proved mathematically, that some-but-not-all truths just CANNOT be put into maths, its impossible.

And here is where the great demarcation begins!

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson

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Posted by: @tiger

I am following all the 1's in front of me, and leading all the 1's behind me.

I am somehow both following and leading.

Do you follow?

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson

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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

Well, it is what it's all about now, isn't it?

Are you still seeing shit and thinking of shit every time you see the word shit?

Still?

Shit!

C'mon man, this shit is easy!

You don't see the real shit yet!

What is real shit?

Man I got the best shit in town.

This is the pure shit.

A collection of four letters.

A word.

A word with many possible meanings, likely one of the more common words in our language that has such complex variance in interpretation and context across a wide away of human expression, from joy to anger.

So why are you shitting up the paralanguage of shit? hehe

From Wikipedia, with a plot twist.

Shit is a word generally considered to be vulgar and profane in Modern English.

As a noun, it refers to fecal matter, and as a verb it means to defecate; in the plural ("the shits"), it means diarrhoea

As a slang term, it has many meanings, including: nonsense, foolishness, something of little value or quality, trivial and usually boastful or inaccurate talk or a contemptible person.

It could also be used to refer to any other noun in general or as an expression of annoyance, surprise or anger.

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson

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Pushing the Envelope to see how far it Stretches Alert.
(How tough can The Guidelines really be?)

Just a reminder to everyone (anyone) the shoe(s) fit.

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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

Are you still seeing shit and thinking of shit every time you see the word shit?

Nope, I just provided some old visuals to @hadgigegenraum's inquiry about AC legends.

He's in there spendin' thousands of dollars 'n' shit...
We should make this worthwhile
We should
We should get into something REAL
Ho ho LEATHER!
No, man, he's not interested in Leather... shit
That shit's been fuckin' rubbed in the ground Hmmmm
Christ, that's goin' on two tours old now...
We gotta come up with some new shit...

Love=Law

Lutz

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@sangewanchuck56
How about you? Do you follow?

Yeah you’re saying you’re shit and that’s the main topic.

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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

Your account will be locked if you persist in the serial posts.

This thread is locked: it is off topic and your immature obsession with dung is tiresome.

Owner and Editor
LAShTAL

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