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15/11/2020 1:56 pm  
 

I'm sure you've seen Crowley's instructions for pranayama in Liber E and Liber O.  To put it bluntly the work involves oxygen deprivation and obviously a holding back from exhalation i.e. unusual containment of Oxygen in the blood stream.   I thought that Marijuana probably induces the same unusual biochemical activity as pranayama does and through research found that yes it does (see below); 

 

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The researchers found that chronic cannabis users had a higher OEF and CMRO2 than people who did not use cannabis. This means that the brains of users extract more oxygen from the blood and also have a higher blood flow.

Another interesting finding was that, in the case of chronic cannabis users, there was a higher blood flow in the region of the brain called the “putamen,” which is known to play a role in the https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4437864/&source=gmail&ust=1605534459600000&usg=AFQjCNHQsbqjbe6diLN2-q7W_fMqzHK61 A">reward system and in creating habits.

 

'Rewards 'as in the Maslovian (Abraham Maslow) peak experiences of 'successful' /'happy people' ('high achievers' or however you want to label them).  

 
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15/11/2020 10:07 pm  
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To put it bluntly the work involves oxygen deprivation and obviously a holding back from exhalation i.e. unusual containment of Oxygen in the blood stream. 

To put it even more bluntly: Your theorem is correct in each individual part, but the overall assembly fails to meet the mark.

 


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18/11/2020 10:48 pm  

The biochemistry of high achievers?   Do stoners achieve anything?  

 

What comes to mind is 2:52 AL which is of course the chapter that refers (pun unintended) to 'strange drugs' and victory and success. 

 ye do well, & I will reward you here and hereafter

 

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19/11/2020 12:10 am  
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Do stoners achieve anything?  

What an inane question to pose on the forums of the Aleister Crowley Society.

This entire site is devoted to discussing the legacy, and achievements, of a "stoner". AC wrote very often about his fondness for cannabis, and frequent use of it, so it is hard to imagine you can be unaware of his cannabis use, during which he wrote several books.

Other famous "stoners" you admire include Dr Tim, and Robert Anton Wilson.

I smoked reefer all day long every single day of undergrad, law school, grad school, and my career. Perhaps i would have done even better at these things if i hadn't. 

Of course, cannabis is still illegal in many places, including the UK, and no one should do illegal things, or things they don't enjoy, or derive benefit from. But that local current illegality doesn't excuse your willful ignorance.

 


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19/11/2020 12:14 am  
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Do stoners achieve anything?  

What an inane question to pose on the forums of the Aleister Crowley Society.

This entire site is devoted to discussing the legacy, and achievements, of a "stoner". AC wrote very often about his fondness for cannabis, and frequent use of it, so it is hard to imagine you can be unaware of his cannabis use, during which he wrote several books.

Other famous "stoners" you admire include Dr Tim, and Robert Anton Wilson.

I smoked reefer all day long every single day of undergrad, law school, grad school, and my career. Perhaps i would have done even better at these things if i hadn't. 

Of course, cannabis is still illegal in many places, including the UK, and no one should do illegal things, or things they don't enjoy, or derive benefit from. But that local current illegality doesn't excuse your willful ignorance.

 

You answered my question but you assumed I was being anti-stoner.   In fact my question was an exercise that relates to this thread if you've been following, notably about the biochemistry of the Maslovian reward-system. 

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19/11/2020 12:17 am  

Oh, OK.

So: Do non-stoners achieve anything?


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19/11/2020 12:19 am  
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you assumed I was being anti-stoner.   

A correct assumption, based on the tone of several of your recent posts.


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19/11/2020 12:21 am  
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Oh, OK.

So: Do non-stoners achieve anything?

Many do yes.  Many don't.

 

It was Dr Tim who said that the Brain 5 humans have lost all concern for societal status-cues.  I'm glad that idiots want to be Professors for reasons of dumb prestige and to be able to boast at parties about their big new car.   

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19/11/2020 12:23 am  
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you assumed I was being anti-stoner.   

A correct assumption, based on the tone of several of your recent posts.

What?  

 

Freud was a great man, as Robin Williams said, for years he (Freud) took enough cocaine daily to kill a small horse only to conclude that he wanted to f_ck his mother.  

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19/11/2020 12:39 am  
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I'm glad that idiots want to be Professors for reasons of dumb prestige and to be able to boast at parties about their big new car.   

FYI, i have never owned a car, and do not drive them. And my successes were not the result of professional ambition, or a desire to attain high social status, but rather of being very good at doing things other folks couldn't do.

My friends who were somewhat what you describe tended to boast about their big new research grants, and their new publications in prestigious journals. If any of them had cars, or other fancy possessions, i never heard about them. The academic status system/pecking order is very real, but has little to do with stuff normal folks think about, and would place very negative weight on anyone who boasted about material things. And it is a game many just opt out of.


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19/11/2020 12:46 am  
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The academic status system/pecking order is very real, , 

Yes,  as real as the order by which a pack of hyenas take meat out of a dead beast.

 

I'm not directing any of this at you.   The academic pecking order is only one of many.      

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19/11/2020 3:36 am  
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he (Freud) took enough cocaine daily to kill a small horse

Freud had cancer of the palate. Anyone having this dreadful condition would gladly use cocaine. The "large amounts" are because this drug is addictive - the body builds up a tolerance and requires more (and more) to get any pain relief.

I think the "small horse" is an exaggeration.

 


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19/11/2020 3:57 am  
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FYI, i have never owned a car, and do not drive them. And my successes were not the result of professional ambition, or a desire to attain high social status, but rather of being very good at doing things other folks couldn't do.

Like...Morrissey!


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19/11/2020 3:58 am  
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Freud had cancer of the palate. Anyone having this dreadful condition would gladly use cocaine

Sometimes a cigar is just a cancer causing shit stick, peeling back the onion skin occluding the Buddha.

 


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19/11/2020 8:19 am  
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Sometimes a cigar is just a cancer causing shit stick, peeling back the onion skin occluding the Buddha.

I believe he did a lot of cigars.


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19/11/2020 12:00 pm  

Tripping makes the brain work out.
https://www.nature.com/news/2005/051010/full/051010-12.html


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19/11/2020 8:55 pm  
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Tripping makes the brain work out.  ...  "Cannabinoid injections sprout new neurons in mice."

This may lead to Mice overwhelming Humanity. They will create myths and write books about how "There were Giants in those days.

We will be gone. The Mice will squeak away.

 


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20/11/2020 3:42 pm  

No I don't think Ignant wants to be associated with that nationalistic pop star.

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20/11/2020 4:34 pm  

He had that one song "Heaven Knows I'm Right-Wing Now", right?

Not a fan, no. The REM of the UK.


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20/11/2020 8:57 pm  
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He had that one song "Heaven Knows I'm Right-Wing Now", right?

Not a fan, no. The REM of the UK.

R.E.M. one of the best American bands. 

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20/11/2020 9:13 pm  

A weed smoker's breaths per minute really slows down effortlessly when the neurochemical triggers kick in. 

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20/11/2020 9:47 pm  
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A weed smoker's breaths per minute really slows down effortlessly when the neurochemical triggers kick in. 

And especially when holding it in for a long time after "inhaling" (maybe after a "blowback"?)

- Or so I'm told, anyway (he added carefully).

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21/11/2020 12:40 am  
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that nationalistic pop star

No doubt a chimera of cancel culture.

I had several friends and former fans flee from a lifetime of listening to Moz as if a burning house when the disingenuous and mistaken masters of meme-ology told them he (of all people) was a right wing racist crypto-fascist. 

What a crock.

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https://kylefite.wordpress.com/2020/03/21/dogs-of-the-world-unite-and-take-over/

 


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21/11/2020 12:41 am  

To stay on task....no oxygen deprivation in Morrissey's pipes. And as a reference for my review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2LYt6gKbY8

 


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21/11/2020 1:01 am  
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that nationalistic pop star

No doubt a chimera of cancel culture.

I had several friends and former fans flee from a lifetime of listening to Moz as if a burning house when the disingenuous and mistaken masters of meme-ology told them he (of all people) was a right wing racist crypto-fascist. 

What a crock.

My review of the latest album below:

https://kylefite.wordpress.com/2020/03/21/dogs-of-the-world-unite-and-take-over/

 

Maybe do a new thread on that person but you'll somehow have to make it relevant to the forum.   Good luck with that. 

 

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A weed smoker's breaths per minute really slows down effortlessly when the neurochemical triggers kick in. 

And especially when holding it in for a long time after "inhaling" (maybe after a "blowback"?)

- Or so I'm told, anyway (he added carefully).

Norma N Joy Conquest

 

The lower fight-flight reactions appear to be disabled in that state.....so I'm told.    The circulatory- respiratory system that us mammals have was developed for land, prior to that we had gills.   Land means my piece of land and yours over there.  Controlling the automatic ebb and flow of the air to the lungs seems to reverse that function.   

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21/11/2020 1:10 am  
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Maybe do a new thread on that person but you'll somehow have to make it relevant to the forum.   Good luck with that.

It'd be an easy thing to do. 🙂

But my initial comment was just me making a wisecrack at Ignant (as I know he detests Moz). And it was all in good fun. Although I stand by all my impassioned views.

And you're right. Off topic. And you DID start an interesting thread-so apologies, Dom.

Back to Marijuana and Pranayama....

 


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21/11/2020 1:17 am  

Can chimps and wolves (for example) do pranayama?  

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21/11/2020 3:12 am  
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Can chimps and wolves (for example) do pranayama?

As an example of WHAT?

 


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21/11/2020 7:35 am  

The answer is NO obviously they can't.

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21/11/2020 10:57 am  

“ Can cats (for example) do pranayama? "
"As an example of WHAT?"
"The answer is NO obviously they can't. “

But obviously they make your control of the Nephesh look preposterous.


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21/11/2020 11:01 am  
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“ Can cats (for example) do pranayama? "
"As an example of WHAT?"
"The answer is NO obviously they can't. “

But obviously they make your control of the Nephesh look preposterous.

A cat will walk over your dead body to get to the cat food in your place.  They hate you.

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21/11/2020 11:16 am  

Cats do perfect yoga yes but we have to learn how to do it.

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21/11/2020 11:31 am  
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Back to Marijuana and Pranayama....

Um, you go to Tiajuana for Marijuana, but you can do pranayama in your pajama.

Oh, sorry. The posts are suppost to be in English. Let me refraze ...

Ho, you go, to Aunt Jane for Mary Jane.
Yet you can take control of Respiration in any Station.

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Can chimps and wolves (for example) do pranayama?

Possibly. When any creature gets exhausted (from running, jumping, raving, etc), there is this automatic kick-in of personal control of the lung doo-dads. I'm sure you must have experienced it. It is an attempt to breathe deeper and (maybe) faster, but the depth is all important ... with a full exhale. If it kicks in properly, a person will suddenly feel lighter and more solid ... it's called the "second wind." I suspect the 5th circuits has "kicked in."

 


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Possibly. When any creature gets exhausted (from running, jumping, raving, etc), there is this automatic kick-in of personal control of the lung doo-dads. I'm sure you must have experienced it. It is an attempt to breathe deeper and (maybe) faster, but the depth is all important ... with a full exhale. If it kicks in properly, a person will suddenly feel lighter and more solid ... it's called the "second wind." I suspect the 5th circuits has "kicked in."

 

 

Oxygen debt processes are automatic we don't have a say in them as such.

 

 

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21/11/2020 12:38 pm  
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Can chimps and wolves (for example) do pranayama?

As an example of WHAT?

 

The capital letters here look like a butt-hurt reaction to having your messiah Morrisey exposed as an attention seeker who isn't really a very good lyricist.  He uses no imagery, no metaphor and his verses are not particularly clever at all.  He's overrated unless that is you get all excited about repressed Mancunian homosexual hypocrites with big mouths  wallowing in Circuit 1-4 misery.   

 

I've got some burgers going on the barbeque if you're interested. 

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21/11/2020 4:16 pm  
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The capital letters here look like a butt-hurt reaction

The caps were meant for emphasis, as in:

An example of what?

Or

An example of "what?"

I was referring to the words "for example" in your question about animals and pranayama (attempting to return to the topic of this thread). What is your question an example of? You somehow twist my request for clarity into the idea that I was having a "reaction" to a musician (i.e Morrissey) being 'exposed." It's a bit of a quantum leap....

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your messiah Morrisey

Oh, let's just call him St. Stephen. You should hear my thoughts on BOB DYLAN (caps for emphasis-no butt-hurt involved!).

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isn't really a very good lyricist.  He uses no imagery, no metaphor and his verses are not particularly clever at all

The ball is in your court to demonstrate your point. 

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repressed Mancunian homosexual hypocrites with big mouths  wallowing in Circuit 1-4 misery

Interesting how you hone in on these particular elements. There are quite a few other characteristics which go into the recipe here: the influence of Punk, Crooners, Rockabilly, Animal Rights, Anti-Government views, alienation from herd mentality (i.e The Outsider), juxtapositioning of humor and tragedy and, really, creating a vast group of truly odd and emotive characters from album to album. You put it all together and, like the Chicago Hot Dog (which sounds like an abomination on paper) it works wonderfully.

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wallowing in Circuit 1-4 misery.   

Would you be as quick to say the same thing about the music of Nick Cave? Would "wallowing in Circuit 1-4 misery" describe for you Picasso's Guernica?

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I've got some burgers going on the barbeque if you're interested

Is this an attempt to be clever...or snide...or something?

I'm not a vegetarian and I'm quite fond of burgers, esp the depression-era Oklahoma onion burger with cheese.

 

 

    

 


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21/11/2020 4:37 pm  
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The capital letters here look like a butt-hurt reaction

The caps were meant for emphasis, as in:

An example of what?

Oh ok yeah that was clear how did I miss it?   Do you mind if I don't answer your points i don't want to derail the thread further?      

 

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