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Behemoth
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05/12/2019 9:51 pm  

In anticipation of the upcoming book to be published later in this month by the name "The Incoming of the Aeon of Maat" by Starfire Publishing (that covers the correspondence between Charles Stansfeld Jones, Gerald Yorke, and others) I decided to open this thread to discuss some relevant topics relating to Liber AL, the word LAShTAL and RPSTOVAL and ”The Egg” .

 

Charles Stansfeld Jones or ”Frater Achad” was a member of Aleister Crowley's A. A. and the O.T.O and was regarded by Crowley as his Magical Son or apparent magical heir and he was also involved in magical operations such as the Amalantrah Working of 1918 where ”The Egg” as a symbol prominently appears.

Frater Achad wrote down his AL/LA discoveries as "Liber 31", that is descibred as:

BEING A PART OF THE DIARY OF FRATER O.I.V.V.I.O. CONCERNING THE FOOL PARZIVAL AND HOW HE DISCOVERED THE MYSTERY OF THE ONE THAT IS NOT 

Introduction to the text also reads the following:

This manuscript was NOT delivered on date originally intended but held until about September 3, 1919 when it was mailed to Therion from Detroit. He was then in New York. Receipt was acknowledged in letter received September 8, 1919. On September 9, 1919 a further P.C. was received from Therion which read:

 " \ = 418."Thou knowest not." Your key opens Palace. CCXX has unfolded like a flower. All solved, even II.76 & III.47. Did you know π = 3.141593? And oh! lots more!" (srd.) AL'AIN the Priest....666"

I want to bring attention to the above rather cryptic telegram/message Crowley sent to Achad, because it is clear that the AL/LA (31) revelation made Crowley work out some sort of explanation even for Liber Al's verses II. 76 & III.47. The message also points out "Did you know π = 3.141593?", being a reference to "Circle squared in it's failure" as later expounded by Crowley in the Equinox of the Gods. How exactly did Crowley work around these 'revelations', especially Pi/π =  3.141593 and arrive to the following conclusion? And what was perhaps the magical/symbolic logic behind Crowley’s mind he used at the time?

 

It is clear that "Did you know that π = 3.141593" dawned's on Crowley almost as soon as he had received Jones's diary and even came up perhaps some sort of solution for II.76 and III.47. 

Atleast the Pi = 3.141593 part of the letter was later explained in the Equinox of the Gods, Crowley writing:

Now I knew that in the value of the letters ALHIM, 'the Gods', the Jews had concealed a not quite correct value of π, the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter

If I prefix our Key, 31, putting , Set or Satan, before the old Gods, I get 3.141593, π correct to Six places, Six being my own number and that of Horus the Sun. And the whole number of this new Name is 395, which on analysis yields and astounding cluster of numerical "mysteries." (Shin 300 Teth 9 Aleph 1 Lamed 30 He 5 Yod 10 Mem 40. Note that 395 being the corrections required! Note also the 31 and the 93 in this value of π.)

Pi, or π, commonly attributed discovery to ancient Archimedes, is a mathematical constant and the ratio of a circle’s circumference / diameter and the number π = 3.141592 is accepted as the 6 first decimals of this infinite series.

The gematria equivalent of ALHIM is equal to A = 1, L = 30, H = 5, I = 10, and M = 40 thus = 86

But, if we drop the 0’s off of the 2 digit numbers, we get 1 – 3 – 5 – 1 – 4, the "concealed value" 1.3514 of the Jews Crowley talks about in the above quote and the value that the Jews had, according to Crowley, concealed in the name ALHIM.

 

Crowley went on then to replace  the number "92" with ”93” to achieve the value of π = 3.141593 compared to the commonly attributed/accepted value π = 3.141592. How this kind of ”logic” of Crowley was achieved is not very clear to me. Perhaps ShT equaling to 309 in Hebrew and dropping off the zeroes, like the Jews, we get 39 and switching the AL/LA negation we get 39 = 93. Or perhaps it was just the threefold reference to AL (31) + LA (31) + Shin-Tet (Tarot trumps XI + XXI = 31 ) thus 93.

 

In Magick Without Tears, the editor is also baffled by such Pi switch/attribution:

To clarify: the Greek letter Sigma Σ can also be written as C, which approximates the symbol for the moon; a capital Theta, Θ, approximates the symbol for the Sun.  Shin-Teth are the Hebrew equivalents.  I am not quite clear on how Crowley reads 3.141593 from ShT + ALHIM: reducing each letter to units gives the sequence 3, 9, 1, 3, 5, 1, 4 and there is no way one can get the required order from that with a constant step.  To get 3.1415 from ALHIM is not a simple reversal of the order but requires writing the numbers around an Invoking Pentagram and reading them in the order of the corresponding Banishing Pentagram.  See A Note on Genesis – T.S.

 

In any case, it is clear that Crowley regarded this double-letter Shin-Tet or Sigma-Theta σθ as a ”Third Key” to this law and explained that it was Achad who was partly ”responsible” for him to discover it as such. Crowley writes of Achad's discovery the following:

That is, he understood that this Book was, so to speak, a vesture or veil upon the idea of "not." In Hebrew "not" is LA, 31, and AL is God, 31, while there is a third 31 still deeplier hidden in the double letter ST, which is a graphic glyph of the sun and moon conjoined to look like a foreshortened Phallus, thus--when written in Greek capitals. This S or Sigma is like a phallus, thus σ when writ small ; and like a serpent or spermatozoon when writ final, thus, ς This T or Theta is the point in the circle, or phallus in the kteis, and also the Sun just as C is the Moon, male and female.

 

But what was Crowley’s method he was working around for such attributions and placing such importance to ShT/Sigma-Theta? It also did impression to Crowley at least to treat even the RPSTOVAL differently, the cryptic word that appears in Liber AL II:76.

 

The only part of the II.76 ever explained by Crowley was that the letters/word of RPSTOVAL add up to the number "418", this is achieved if we count the letters in Hebrew as Resh ר [200], Peh פ [80], Shin-Tet טש or σθ (counted as 31, being the Tarot Trumps XI Lust for Teth and XX for Shin XI+XX = 31 ), Ayin ע [70], V ו [6], AL [31] = 418.

 

If Crowley held the numeral represantations of Sigma-Theta σθ in such high regard and goes on to write: 

There is a third 31 still deeplier hidden in the double letter ST, which is a graphic glyph of the sun and moon conjoined to look like a foreshortened Phallus, thus--when written in Greek capitals. This S or Sigma is like a phallus, thus σ when writ small ; and like a serpent or spermatozoon when writ final, thus, ς This T or Theta is the point in the circle, or phallus in the kteis, and also the Sun just as C is the Moon, male and female.

 

We could try to use this kind of logic for at least the RPSTOVAL part of the II:76, considering Crowley made it to add up "418" both in Hebrew and in Greek  [THE GREEK QABALAH SUB FIGVRA MCCLXIV also contains the value 418 for RPSTOVAL. How Crowley achieved this numeration in Greek, as opposed to Hebrew 418, using ST as 31, is most probably unknown. ]

 

(Both the word LAShTAL = 93 and RPSTOVAL = 418 were spelled/counted in Hebrew to achieve their respective values by counting the ST or ShT to equal ”31” by Tarot Trumps)

 

If we start to read it from left to right, as in, ”LA” (31) being Not or  the”Key” discovered by Achad, the next 2 letter-combinations we encounter are OV and ST.

It is clear that Crowley played around with ST part of RPSTOVAL the same way he "treated" the word LAShTAL, considering he made them both add up to 418 and 93 respectively, by attributing the value ”31” to ST.

 

Crowley also considered the ST/Sigma-Theta as the "Secret Sigil of the Beast", this symbol also appears in the 1st Aethyr of Liber 418 where it is also described as such. The number of the Athyr of LIL = ♋♒♋ = 76 is also the same as the verse where word RPSTOVAL appears.

From Liber Al commentary to I:16

Note that the Secret Divine Letter ShT which is the key of this book is by shape the Sun united with the Moon C = Sh, O = t, CO = Sht.

{WEH NOTE: Elsewhere Crowley calls this sign "the secret sigil of the Beast" and it is depicted by a crescent attached to the left side of a circle. Sometimes the circle is dotted. Sometimes the Greek lower case letters sigma-theta are written connectively for this (vide. Liber MCCLXIV, value 209, first edition, OTONL-6 and note 28).}

In Greek numerals, when these letters Sigma and Theta are witten as in the value of 209 we get this glyph:

 

σθ  or    as Crowley himself attaches those two letters together.

 

Graphically/symbolically Crowley described this letter-combination to resemble ( at least to him ) the following things:

Letter ST, which is a graphic glyph of the sun and moon conjoined to look like a foreshortened Phallus, thus--when written in Greek capitals. This S or Sigma is like a phallus, thus, σ, when writ small; and like a serpent or spermatozoon when writ final, thus, ς

Crowley also writes:

"ShT" is the dynamic equivalent of "LA" and "AL".  "Sh" shows the Word of the Law, being triple, as 93 is thrice 31.  "T" shows the formula of Magick declared in that Word; the Lion, the Serpent, the Sun, Courage and Sexual Love are all indicated by the card.

If we follow this kind of ”logic”, that perhaps Crowley himself used to ”unlock” at least the RPSTOVAL part of II:76, it is interesting to note that after the word LA (31/NOT)  we encounter the two letters OV, this letter-combination preceding ST and following AL/LA in RPSTOVAL.

 

OV adds up in Hebrew gematria to 76 (Ayin,Vav) and also in Greek isopsephy it add ups to 76 (Omricon-Stigma). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopsephy#Letter_values_of_the_Greek_alphabet

76 is also the verse number on which the word RPSTOVAL appears as mentioned above.

 

If we convert these two letters OV into greek numerals, in a same fashion how Crowley converted the ST/Sigma-Theta to resemble the secret sigil of the Beast and even calling it the ”Key of this Book”, we also encounter a rather curious glyph, that could perhaps aroused Crowley’s interest the same way he found significane in the Sigma-Theta greek graphical presentation of the number:

 

οϛ

 

If we are to follow Crowley’s ”graphical” logic when it comes to the Greek numbers/letters and keeping in mind that Sigma resembles a serpent or spermatozoon as quoted by Crowley: ”Sigma (is) like a serpent or spermatozoon when writ final, thus, ς” we cannot ignore the obvious similarities to the letter Stigma (final) displayed above.

(Stigma (ϛ) is a ligature of the Greek letters sigma and tau and it is also used as a numeral symbol for the number 6 in Greek numerals.)

 

It is also interesting to note that to Crowley this might have been a rather direct ”graphical glyph” and representation of ”Serpent and The Egg ”symbol, especially if he applied the same kind of Greek-Numeral-Convert logic as he did to the letters ST that are next to it in the world RPSTOVAL .

Other than RPSTOVAL was counted by Crowley to Equal 418, we don’t have much else clues from The Beast from himself when it comes to the word.

 

Then again, the word OVAL does count up in Hebrew to ”107 = an Egg = ביצה" and I think Kenneth Grant and Achad put more research/interest on the matter than perhaps Crowley himself did. This opening post would perhaps end up too long to discuss all those interesting connections within the works of those two men and regarding "The Egg".

 

Apart from the Greek isopsephy it still does not provide much, if any, ”logic” to the rest of the word RPSTOVAL, if we do not take into account the OV and ST letters symbolical greek symbols and perhaps their connection to the word OVAL.

 

The word OVAL does indeed add up to 107 ”an Egg”, and RPST is also the value (Resh,Peh,Shin,Tet) 589 = Greenness, verdure, viror .Perhaps by some stretch of imagination the word RPSTOVAL could be likened to transliterate to Green Egg (Verdure = greenness, especially of fresh, flourishing vegetation) and invokes the greenish egg displayed in the ATU IX ”The Hermit” of which Crowley writes:

”It seems that he is contemplating---in a certain sense, adoring---the Orphic egg (greenish in colour) because it is conterminous with the Universe, while the snake which surrounds it is many-coloured to signify the iridescence of Mercury.”

 

If Crowley did doodle around with Greek numerals, like he most certainly did with with Sigma-Theta, the graphical glyphs of Greek ”Omricon-Stigma” followed by ”Sigma-Theta” do resemble a somewhat ”opening mechanism” or perhaps even a ”key” in terms of symbols.

 

Perhaps a quote from The Amalantrah Working, of which Frater Achad was also part of, has a fitting ending for this post, keeping in mind that according to Crowley RPSTOVAL = 418.

A: ”The egg is a work which must be done -- the great work.”

 

 

Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.


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06/12/2019 5:11 pm  

An interesting and useful post.

All i can add is this: you wonder why AC gives pi as 3.141593, when the first six decimal digits of pi are actually 3.141592.

But the first seven decimal digits are 3.1415926, so we can round up the final 6, thus making the preceding 2 a 3, to state pi to six decimal digits as AC does.


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06/12/2019 5:27 pm  
Posted by: @behemoth

I decided to open this thread to discuss some relevant topics relating to Liber AL, the word LAShTAL and RPSTOVAL and ”The Egg” .

Which you did, in a long, intricate series of quotes. This may be of interest to the younger, mentally-inclined folks who have not yet read all these references.

For those of us who have been around for some time, and who have already read these quotes, and done the math, the question becomes ...

Of what practical value is this data?


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06/12/2019 7:12 pm  

Thank you for the lovely thread, @behemoth. It's very readable for a piece on RPSTOVAL. There is a subtle implication in your relation of the glyphic nature of the cipher, however, which I must impertinently request clarified, if you can forgive me.

The sun-and-moon Sigma-theta (ST) is a phallus ejaculating a spermatozoon. The Orphic egg-and-serpent Omicron-digamma (OV) is, following the logic of ST, an ovum being fertilized by a spermatozoon. (The Qab. Cross' malkuth being the star ruby's phallus, every kether in a malkuth, etc.) So the implication here is that RPSTOVAL is only transitionally a numerical cipher, and the real meaning is contained in converting the letters into ideograms which in-turn depict... something? Is that correct?

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Again, forgive me if I'm being juvenile. I've yet to seriously look into the matter for myself, though I am more than perfunctorily familiar with it.


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06/12/2019 9:46 pm  
Posted by: @djedi

The sun-and-moon Sigma-theta (ST) is a phallus ejaculating a spermatozoon. The Orphic egg-and-serpent Omicron-digamma (OV) is, following the logic of ST, an ovum being fertilized by a spermatozoon. (The Qab. Cross' malkuth being the star ruby's phallus, every kether in a malkuth, etc.) So the implication here is that RPSTOVAL is only transitionally a numerical cipher, and the real meaning is contained in converting the letters into ideograms which in-turn depict... something? Is that correct?

Posted by: @shiva

Of what practical value is this data?

 

 

Well, my original intention starting this topic was to draw attention to the message Crowley sent to Achad which read:

 

" \ = 418."Thou knowest not." Your key opens Palace. CCXX has unfolded like a flower. All solved, even II.76 & III.47. Did you know π = 3.141593? And oh! lots more!" (srd.) AL'AIN the Priest....666"

 

And raise some discussion what these rather suggesting implications like "Did you know π = 3.141593?" might have meant to Crowley at the time when the message was delivered to Achad and how Crowley worked around by addings these all things up in his "magical thinking".

 

Ignant666 already offered some logic behind Crowley's pi attribution. My interest in this matter is more of a historical curiosity and to perhaps get "in the mood" to read the letter correspondence of Achad without various individuals that deals with some of these topics later to be published this month.

 

"Your key opens Palace" is another curious expression by Crowley and might have relation to the topic's "Egg" and Crowley considering Jones being a result of some (sex) magickal operation of the Beast: Crowley noted the near exact nine-month interval and concluded that Jones’ “birth” as a ‘Babe of the Abyss’ qualified him as his “magical child”. Crowley would then accept Jones into the Supernal Triad, and openly declare him as the Child referred to in various parts of Liber AL.

 

Crowley wrote:

“What I had really done was therefore to beget a Magical Son [in a magical operation]. So, precisely nine months afterwards, that is, at the summer solstice of 1916, Frater O.I.V. (the name of C. Stansfeld Jones as a probationer) entirely without my knowledge became a Babe of the Abyss”.

 

In regards to the The Egg, The Key and the expression "Your key opens Palace" and "Thou Knowest Not".

 

In the 28th aethyr of Liber 418, we encounter the Sapphire Egg/Stone and the expression "knowest not":

It is a sapphire as great as an ostrich egg     {all references to Binah}

Hail! warden of the Gates of Eternity who knowest not      {Binah destroys knowledge}.

 

And also does the Sapphire Stone appear in the The Cry of the 9th Aethyr where it is said to be the "key-stone" to the palace of the King's daughter:

"Blessed is not I, not thou, not he, Blessed without name or number who hath taken the azure of night, and crystallized it into a pure sapphire-stone, who hath taken the gold of the sun, and beaten it into an infinite ring, and hath set the sapphire therein, and put it upon his finger. (Refrain.)

Open wide your gates, O City of God, for I bring No-one with me. Sink your swords and your spears in salutation, for the Mother and the Babe are my companions. Let the banquet be prepared in the palace of the King's daughter. Let the lights be kindled; Are not we the children of the light?(Refrain.)

For this is the key-stone of the palace of the King's daughter. This is the Stone of the Philosophers. This is the Stone that is hidden in the walls of the ramparts. Peace, Peace, Peace unto Him that is throned therein"

 

The Greek Theta (lowercase) appears as a central-piece in the Seal of Babalon, of which Crowley writes:

 

 

This is the Seal upon the Ring that is on the Forefinger of IT: and it is the Seal upon the Tombs of them whom She hath slain.

 

 

The glyph Sigma-Theta, does indeed a resemble a "Key" to this Palace, which Crowley also probably worked around the time he had received Achad's diary and in my original post, as already quoted, Crowley did put significance to Achad by discovering it as such:

 

That is, he understood that this Book was, so to speak, a vesture or veil upon the idea of "not." In Hebrew "not" is LA, 31, and AL is God, 31, while there is a third 31 still deeplier hidden in the double letter ST, which is a graphic glyph of the sun and moon conjoined to look like a foreshortened Phallus, thus--when written in Greek capitals. This S or Sigma is like a phallus, thus σ when writ small ; and like a serpent or spermatozoon when writ final, thus, ς This T or Theta is the point in the circle, or phallus in the kteis, and also the Sun just as C is the Moon, male and female.

"Thou knowest not." Your key opens Palace"

Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.


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08/12/2019 1:03 pm  

There is also another interesting symbolism that Crowley probably was familiar with, at least later in life, that deals especially with the relationship between ”Sun and Moon” symbol, "The Beast" and ”The Woman of Whoredom” and having a connection to the Shin-Teth / Sigma-Theta / Secret Sigil of the Beast, of which Crowley tells us:

"there is a third 31 still deeplier hidden in the double letter ST".

 

Even though it is true that Crowley’s identification as ”The Beast” from the Relevation had origins in his childhood, his mother nicknaming him as such, we can see some sort of symbolical maturation and complexity being added in layers with his identification as ”The Beast” from the King James days of his adolescence, perhaps after Crowley became more familiar with texts such as Kabbala Denudata/The Kabbalah Unveiled translated by MacGregor Mathers:

 

The Demons are the grossest and most deficient of all forms. Their ten degrees answer to the decad of the Sephiroth, but in inverse ratio, as darkness and impurity increase with the descent of each degree. The two first are nothing but absence of visible form and organization. The third is the abode of darkness. Next follow seven Hells occupied by those demons which represent incarnate human vices, and torture those who have given themselves up to such vices in earth-life. Their prince is Samael, SMAL, the angel of poison and of death. His wife is the harlot, or woman of whoredom, AShTh ZNVNIM, Isheth Zenunim; and united they are called the beast, CHIVA, Chioa. Thus the infernal trinity is completed, which is, so to speak, the averse and caricature of the supernal Creative One. Samael is considered to be identical with Satan.

 

The concept of an evil/wicked "beast" is defined in the Zohar as the union of the evil angel Samael/Satan and "The Woman of Whoredom”.  The Woman is said to be his wife. (which is a rather misleading term, considering the ungodly/unlawful/unholy nature of the 'marriage' or union).

 

We also see a reference to the inverse "ten Sefirot" of the Sitra Achra mentioned in the verse above = The realm of Shells/Husks (Aramaic סטרא אחרא, the "Other Side" opposite to holiness). In Kabbalah they are a reference to the Qliphoth. These in turn inversely correlate to the "ten horns" of power mentioned in the Revelation where the Beast, Whore and the Ten Horns appear.

So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

 

Crowley also was familiar with this symbolism and associated the ten horns with the Ten Sefirot, considering in the XI card "Lust" (Where the Woman and the Beast are prominently featured) he writes about in Book of Thoth:

Behind the figures of the Beast and his Bride are ten luminous rayed circles; they are the Sephiroth latent and not yet in order, for every new Aeon demands a new system of classification of the Universe.

At the top of the card is shown an emblem of the new light, with ten horns of the Beast, which are serpents, sent forth in every direction to destroy and re-create the world.

 

If we consider the two-in-One letter Shin-Teth, Sigma-Theta, Set/Satan as a third key to this law and what Crowley decipted usually as a symbol for Sun & Moon:

 

Now then this two-in-One letter   is the third Key to this Law

 

 

We also find that the only entry for ”Sun and Moon”  in the Sepher Sephiroth/”777”, edition which Crowley must have used at the time working out his magical correspondences/symbols also shares the same value with AShTh ZNVNIM, Isheth Zenunim or ”The Woman of Whoredom”.

 

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Crowley most likely was familiar with these two values.

 

Samael (Satan) and The Woman of Whoredom united form together ”The Beast” according to various traditions of Zohar and especially Mathers translation of Kabbalah Denudata/Kabbalah Unveiled:

 

Their prince is Samael, SMAL, the angel of poison and of death. His wife is the harlot, or woman of whoredom, AShTh ZNVNIM, Isheth Zenunim; and united they are called the beast, CHIVA, Chioa.

 

Even though Crowley usually made the letters Shin-Teth to add up to number ”31”, thus the letters/formula such as LAShTAL  adding up to 31+31+31 = 93. 

The letters LAShTAL, spelled straight to Hebrew as 31 + 309 + 31 give us the numeration of ShMAL = 371.

The word סמאל, Samael has a connotation of שמאל, “left,” as it places itself to the “left” side of the Tree.

In Kabbalah the letters shin (ש) and samech (ס) are interchangeable. This exchange of letters makes the word smole (שמאל) (‘left’) identical to the name Samael (סמאל).

The number 371 is also the number of ”Liber AL” spelled straight to Hebrew as in: ספר אל ”SPR AL”, as in turn ”The Book of the Law” in Hebrew would be called "SPR THVRH".

 

In terms of Crowley's magical and anti-biblical/anti-abrahamic themes in identifying with the "opposing" forces of both Jewish & Christian traditions:

1. We have Lilith as the counterpart to the Shekinah (at the level of Malkuth).

2. We also have Babylon or Babalon as the spiritual counterpart to "Jerusalem above" (at the level of Binah).

These are the "two females" or "upper and lower mothers", Malkuth and Binah.

 

"And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth."

Revelation 17:18 

 

This "woman" is a "great city" that is "reigning over the kings of the earth”.

 

This is the Sitra Achra counterpart to the Heavenly Jerusalem and is associated with Babylon/Babalon/Babel by Crowley.

 

Crowley also writes in his magical diaries of identifying this ”great city” as his ”womb”:

“When I was Levi, I drew myself as Ayin or Baphomet, 'The Devil' with Beast's Head. This is the Beast throned, crowned, exalted; the leaper, the erect, the butter-in. Her womb is my city, Babel. This Ayin is then my phallic will, my Holy Guardian Angel, Aiwaz, who was afterwards called Satan.”

 

Personally, I’ve always found a sort of interesting symbolical relationship/connection between the serpent and it’s rider in Genesis and the Whore of Babylon who is said to ride the Great Beast in Revelation.

 

According to Zohar: it is Samael (poison of God) who is the rider of the Serpent (Lilith). This embodiment of the evil inclination is riding and controlling the serpent power, leading Adam and Eve eating from the Tree prematurely and it becoming the Tree of Death.

 

The Whore of Babylon is also a sort of serpent rider in the Revelation, as she rides this Great Beast, taking in any unclean energy she can find ”accepting all”, perhaps a sort of a downward and backward pull against the evolution to the ”Highest”, ”Spiritual” and ”Pure” life of Abrahamic idealism; hence, the collective power of the bestial nature that has been called the “Great Beast,” consort of the “Whore of Babylon,” which perhaps in turn is some sort of personification of the ”misdirected desire-energy of collective humankind unrestrained” in opposition to that purity the Jews thought of highest spiritual life.

Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.


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14/12/2019 3:29 pm  

 Maybe this should help the understanding of "EGG" indication:

EGG spelt in full (hebrew gamatria)= HH+GML+GML= 10+73+73=156.

 


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14/12/2019 4:20 pm  

Coy qabalistic hinting posts are so Old Aeon. [yawns]

What, if anything, do the assembled sages have to say about the fact that the glyph generally transcribed as a "G" in "ALGMOR" is very clearly not a "G"?


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14/12/2019 8:33 pm  

My coy hint was not intended to anoy some tangin, it was related to Behemot's citation:

"In regards to the The Egg, The Key and the expression "Your key opens Palace" and "Thou Knowest Not".

In the 28th aethyr of Liber 418, we encounter the Sapphire Egg/Stone and the expression "knowest not":

"It is a sapphire as great as an ostrich egg {all references to Binah}
Hail! warden of the Gates of Eternity who knowest not {Binah destroys knowledge}."


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14/12/2019 9:35 pm  

Just funnin' with ya, APOSTATES. Though your post could do with some interpretation of your gematria, that you have now provided some of.

Anyone on the not-a-G G in ALGMOR?


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14/12/2019 9:45 pm  
Posted by: @nassah

My coy hint was not intended to anoy some tangin

What is a tangin?

Posted by: @nassah

it was related to Behemot's citation:

Okay. But if you're replying to someone's post, it helps to quote the part you're responding to, before you start typing. This saves a lot of confusion and actually protects you and your post from possible altercation an gotchas..


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ignant666
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14/12/2019 9:49 pm  

Oh, thanx, Shiva. I forgot to ask what a "tangin" is. Probably like a cowan, only worse.


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15/12/2019 11:23 am  

I apologize for irregular repl(a)ying but I am not practic of virtual tools (old generation).

May be that tangin is some kind of ignant joke, it was not intended to kill anyone, only to fill empty space.


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15/12/2019 4:54 pm  

Tangin = A person who goes off on a tangent?


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17/12/2019 7:58 pm  

mmm. good stuff! stumbled onto this post / site. as it is still relatively fresh as the web goes, i felt it fitting to chime in. the current is very much alive. 

i may be getting myself into trouble here but you all are dancing around some beautiful points so what the hell.

anyone read / familiar with Liber vel Oviz - sub figura 76 ?

Doesn’ t seem to be given much attention in traditional Thelemic circles. Some rather intriguing connections come up re. OV and ShT -

The book begins 

Ov! The manifestation of Oviz.

which is similar the AC’s first take on Aiwaz if I am correct.

There is a “mighty word” given - YHVHSHT!

Which is striking and interesting regarding the above comments regarding Sh+T.

and Ch 3:61 from Liber Al -

“There is an END of the word of the God enthroned in Ra’s seat...”

YHVHSHT!

I’m an amateur, and that strangely.

Thanks for all the actual research folks. Good stuff.

 


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17/12/2019 10:00 pm  
Posted by: @przoval

anyone read / familiar with Liber vel Oviz - sub figura 76

"Not I," said the weenie (the heckler in the back row).

So I sent this title to the Borg Search and Rescue dept, and only one result came back. Only One. It was said book, for sale over at Amazon. It bears the date, 1981.

Since Aiwass is listed as the author, I must immediately take caution, mainly because I find it very strange that assorted people have been getting messages from Aiwass ... who is the HGA of one person: A.C.

Essentially, this Praeterhuman stuff was started by H.P. Blavatsky, who adopted Mahatma names for her living, real-life mentors in Kashmir. Then he associates and successors started channeling ("auto scribble") Morya, Koot Hoomi, Djwhal Khul, et al. The word got around that these dudes were immortal.

Summit Lighthouse adopted them, called them "ascended masters," and added a few more "Masters."

It's been quite a while now that these fellows (and ladies, too) have been installed on the astral plane as members of the "invisible hierarchy." Many new age adherents maintain that they are independent entities who will come and visit you (maybe), and they will dictate reams of written stuff.

Then Crowley came along with Aiwass. A.C. never did get his definition of Aiwass straight. Aiwass was his HGA, an Ipsissimus, and a demon-god in ancient Sumeria, and probably another few designations.

There is a contingent here at LAShTAL that doesn't buy this stuff, even at a discounted price. We (yes, I am a member of this contingent) accept that all this occult/hidden/transcendental stuff, including discarnate entities, is merely a manifestation of some part of the unconscious/subconscious/superconscious mind.

So, anyway, when anybody claims to get their data from Morya, Koot, or Aiwass, I must look in my closet for that grain of salt I keep hidden there.

I am, personally, really tired of people who are riding on Crowley's coat tails, or the hem of Blavatsky's dress. They are generally found to be filled with human and bovine excrement.

Of course, one must always read the material before condemning the writer to any of Dante's Inferno circles. The word that you quote, YHVHSHT, adds up to 345. This number has many meanings in Sepher Sephiroth ... none of which has any importance that I can determine.

We watch an intermittent, but continual, flow of folks who pass through here with magic words, strangle syllables (like ShT), and solutions to the mysteries of initiation. All of this is advanced, mental manipulation. It has nothing to do with the Liberation of the mind. Granted, it may help to Order the mind, which is a prerequisite for said Liberation.


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17/12/2019 10:26 pm  

@shiva

Well writ.

And I don't propose to "believe" anything in this book or any other. Though I do like to dabble and stretch my belief system as a matter of practice.

As for Aiwass, if he/she/it/? is truly only AC's HGA then what the bloody hell are all us Thelemites doing? What is the point of the BOTL if it was only a personal message to uncle Al himself?  Regardless, the book in question makes no direct mention of Aiwass. Since we are discussing Egyptian deities, I remember somewhere reading that, "the Egyptian Gods call YOU." And I assume I am not the only one here to have experienced what that means. 

Re. the enumeration of 345, i was more interested in the possible counting of it as 26 + 31 (as has been speculated that SH+T = 31 from the Atu placement). I try not to get too wrapped up in gematria so I'll leave it to you experts to decide if 57 has any value of note.

 I think it quite odd the utter lack of discussion about the book at all. It is mentioned by someone we know here and discounted in the expected way.

http://blazingstar-oto.org/gradymcmurtry/essays/essays-1980s/41982-on-aleister-crowley-revisionism/

Again, I was not bringing it up to point to it's absolute truth, but rather to point to some interesting connections between it and some of the ideas discussed in this post and thread. 

For the record, I found it in book store many many years ago, under strange circumstances indeed.

"all prophets are true..."


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18/12/2019 4:16 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

Anyone on the not-a-G G in ALGMOR?

Dwtw

The G is indeed a capital G, despite being drawn in an odd way. The same letter, drawn the same way in Crowley's hand, can be found in the (in)famous Windram copy of Thelema that started the whole Fill/Kill debacle. In that instance, it is unambiguously a letter G.

 

Litlluw

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18/12/2019 3:51 pm  
Posted by: @przoval

anyone read / familiar with Liber vel Oviz - sub figura 76 ?

Doesn’ t seem to be given much attention in traditional Thelemic circles. Some rather intriguing connections come up re. OV and ShT -

The book begins 

Ov! The manifestation of Oviz.

 

 

First time I hear of this "received" text. There is a thread here on lashtal that discusses some books that were supposedly dictated by Aiwass and written down by James Beck:

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/liber-440-the-book-of-perfection/

 

But Liber Vel OVIZ is something I hear for the first time. Cannot seem to find much information on it from the web either. Found one on sale, though:

 

Liber Vel Oviz 93 sub figura LXXVI. Privately printed by O.T.O.

Limited 1006 copies, handnumbered. This one is no. 134. Condition: some wear to the spine. Apparently previous owner’s initials written in blood on the title page.

Publisher: O. T. O. The Khabs Temple (January 1, 1981);

 

What exactly are the contents of Liber Vel Oviz?

McMurty says in that article/essay: The text is the usual reshuffling of words from Liber AL, no new revelations I could find. 

http://blazingstar-oto.org/gradymcmurtry/essays/essays-1980s/41982-on-aleister-crowley-revisionism/

 

Does it contain some original content, instead of reshuffling words from Liber AL, in your opinion?

 

I personally found the James Beck's Liber 440 stuff quite repetative in regards to Liber AL with King Jamesian thous and thys thrown here and there, but at least it was somewhat interesting read.

Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.


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21/01/2020 8:52 pm  
Posted by: @behemoth

What exactly are the contents of Liber Vel Oviz?

I have this book. It is an embarrassing screed of a drug binge with no value whatsoever.

Force and Fire is not metaphorical. In Prophetes Veritas Venit.


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