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hadgigegenraum
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04/08/2020 12:19 am  

@dom

Are you referring to AC....


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04/08/2020 3:04 am  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

I am sure with Crowley's case we have to combine the fact that certain practices and predisposition, utilized skepticism as more of a masque with which to indulge his id with various indulgences of sublime and or infernal aspects of the 'woo-woo'

Yes, you are coming very close to the "structure" I am examining, in my abstract mind, that posits The Great Wild Beast as being the Id of one Edward Alexander Crowley, a Plymouth-Bro Chyldren.

When applied to the spiritual path, that would mean a lot of kundalini consort yoga and writing continuously about how sex is the key to it all.

 

 


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04/08/2020 11:09 am  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

@dom

Are you referring to AC....

Which part of my post do you mean?  You were referring to Ignant's post and his use of "woo woo" I thought you misread his use of that term.

Best.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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04/08/2020 8:28 pm  

@shiva

Yes thanks....why of course...the ID! or where is one's I.D.....your papers please (for the card carrying occultists that care about such things and very important in some orders)....So we have Yod & Daleth fused together to play a certain game of cards... why a IX and a III brings us to 93 if you know what I mean and bring em together and well then we are mmm deep in the waters la subconscious... for counting yields XII like a hanged man, I think I am hung up here, but wait not worries... by what fortune finds the priestess amongst this ID... yours or mine or VVVVV's....AU Nuit!

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Ignant's 'Woo Woo'....no worry....AC tongued his own cheeks....

HG


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04/08/2020 11:54 pm  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

well then we are mmm deep in the waters

Oh, yes. The question in, how does the Id get loosed without restriction? Well, if it does (get loose), then other peoplw are going to report the Id's activities to the police or the webmaster.

Apparently, the Ego normally steps in as a controller, and nobody reports the Id because it's behaving nicely.

But then "the Path" sestroys the Ego, so there's just the Id (Beast) and the (True) Self.

To help solve this dilemms,se the following definition(s)...

Id (Greek): In English, this means "it." (It can be a reference to a "thing").

Idiot Greek): Originally, a person who stayed alone, in the shadows, on the fringe of forums and festivals. (Similar to lurking; our IX Yod Hermit).

"Now, where's the "D," dammit! I need to prove what makes the world go 'round."

Id: "the part of the psyche, residing in the unconscious, that is the source of instinctive impulses that seek satisfaction in accordance with the pleasure principle and are modified by the ego and the superego before they are given overt expression."

Enough? Enough! I have thus revealed data that will result in liberation or confusion, depending on how you (anyone) take(s) it.

 


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05/08/2020 2:14 am  

@shiva

It might be said, as you seem to have said it, that it is the Beast's path that destroys the ego, but that is the Beast's path and maybe not the non Beast's path...which is today's Koan....

Of course the Beast is a Beast because he is the biggest ego around and no other ego has been able to get past the Beast, though @RTC and a few other have made some claims....

Ok now I have done it I have invoked @RTC, but don't worry, when he sees the letters they will start to blur into some different notation as the R becomes a B and the T an F and the C a G 

and there we have it back to G which does not get us to D, though some say they cross above the abyss, but we could get the D if we get some sunshine which has something to do with the Beast whose path is all the paths because he became Ipissimus but only after his mama told him he was a Beast, and the best Beast at that for ya know that Ego, I go, you go, yugo, yogee, yoga, yo mama

So what if the Beast had not come to create the path to destroy the ego would there be a path, or would the path or paths lead to a colossal ego, a veritable monster or inveritable one even more dangerous, but maybe after all there was no ego to conquer, to destroy, to discover, to forget, to know, to blow, to fuck and suck and let the wind in and out...

Yes I think you have proved how the world goes round!

 

 

 

 


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05/08/2020 7:39 am  
Posted by: @shiva

In terms of identifying exponents of The Left Hand Path, there are two markers:

a) An aggressive, condescending persona, and
b) No sense of humor.

AC is regarded by any as an exponent of the LHP, however he is also credited with having a sense of humo[u]r.  Do you accept this and if so how then can you reconcile the two?

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05/08/2020 2:40 pm  

@jamiejbarter

 I concur with your challenge, nicely bringing to the fore a certain interesting coincidence of opposites to which humor does help the humours and while 'm'any regarded AC as exponent of the LHP, 'Little Sunshine' was completely Chaste to the End, why read 'Little Essays Towards Truth' and understand, which I am sure you do....And where he, AC,  has been deemed in some circles a double agent, he might well have suggested, on more than one occasion, that the problem with the RHP is that they don't have a sense of humor, nor humours, (mojo), either...!

Do you concur?

I am sure your enjoying!

HG


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05/08/2020 3:58 pm  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Do you concur?

Yes, I do concur with your concurring with my 'challenge'.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

I am sure your enjoying!

I am too!

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

and while 'm'any regarded

Yes that was a typo: I meant to put "many" but it missed out the "m".  It wasn't too inappropriate there though.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

And where he, AC, has been deemed in some circles a double agent, he might well have suggested, on more than one occasion, that the problem with the RHP is that they don't have a sense of humor, nor humours,

Yes, would you happen to have a source for one of AC's suggestions (remarks) that it was the exponents of the Right Hand Path who lacked humo[u]r instead?

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05/08/2020 5:34 pm  

@jamiejbarter

Thanks Jamie....yes concurrences concur and it would seem that we are in the same hunting party for a quote I am sure must exist...and if it doesn't the notion that he would so classify the RHP as lacking in certain jocular, as well as other potencies, must be feathered in as the metaphorical meat of any number of satires, plays and poems, novellas or some lost letter to Mudd, who did not get the puns, for rather than being so crass with some direct exclamation, work and a full library is so required to properly corner the chase. 

Suffice to say the hounds are barking, and there is a scent, so maybe some of the well read will be quick to corner the pheasant or fox, but perhaps bigger game like Haggis awaits! 

Many and or Any as the case may be.

HG

 

 


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05/08/2020 7:13 pm  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

RHP ... they don't have a sense of humor ...

Uh, oh. But this is the foremost signature of drive-by kamikazes and bloated boasters. Don't we generally classify them as LHP? I fail to be able to concur with the mix-up now in motion.

 


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05/08/2020 11:16 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

 

Apparently, the Ego normally steps in as a controller, and nobody reports the Id because it's behaving nicely.

But then "the Path" sestroys the Ego, so there's just the Id (Beast) and the (True) Self.

 

 

Ego destruction?   If we take the Ego to be the Cabbalsitic Ruach then you can't 'destroy' it, it's always there like a limb, well, that's what it is.  You can retrain it yes but destroy?   Did Crowley even use the term 'destruction of ego'?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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05/08/2020 11:18 pm  

@shiva

Your sense of humor is well appreciated

 


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06/08/2020 1:04 am  
Posted by: @dom

Ego destruction?   If we take the Ego to be the Cabbalsitic Ruach then you can't 'destroy' it, it's always there like a limb, well, that's what it is. 

I put quote marks on "destroys" purposely, because, you know, we must have a bunch of threads where the destruction/annihilation of the Ego is discussed.

The Ego is not the Ruach, so why would we "take" it that way?

The Ego is the (Reincarnating or Ancestral) "Soul." The Ruach is a "false sphere" because it is illusionary). The Soul/Ego occupies Tiph-Geb-Ches.

On the other hand, the Ruach/Da'ath is a transition portal. The separate Ego is there (on one side), and Nada-mentalis is on the other side. In between, the Star Sponge or Indra's Net allows/causes the transition.

No, one can't destroy the Ruach, the Soul, the Ego by their very own self. But the process, the path, does. Make the transition from separate to sam-adi, and Ruacoul/Ego just ain't there no more.

Of course, one can re-assemble the Ego, which everyone does in deep sleep when they come out of a "successful" meditation.

The Ego is one's sense of "I Am." (Sentience). For context and perspective, the ego (small "e") is found sub-Paroketh, where it builds fabulous identities and a solid mask.

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Posted by: @dom

Did Crowley even use the term 'destruction of ego'?

I believe the word he used was "annihilation," and the word "forever" was included, somewhere.

The term "Ego Destruction" (or Annihilation) refers to the loss of a separate, individual, handsome self. If it happens to normal people, the doctors call it "Depersonalization Disorder" ...

"Depersonalization disorder is characterized by persistent or recurring episodes of the loss of the sense of self (depersonalization). The symptoms of depersonalization disorder are sufficient enough to cause marked distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of life."


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06/08/2020 1:27 am  
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If it happens to normal people

As was so wisely said by Louis Jordan And His Tympany Five in 1946,

Ain't nobody here but us chickens,

Ain't nobody here at all.

The song may hint that The Iberian Ipsissimus may be onto something with his "sleep = samadhi" formulation in the request by the would-be chicken-thieves that the farmer "hobble, hobble, hobble off, and/Hit the hay." Note that this phrase concludes the final two choruses; this may be an indication that this "sleep = samadhi" formulation is a secret disclosed only to very advanced initiates.


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06/08/2020 6:50 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

this "sleep = samadhi" formulation is a secret disclosed only to very advanced initiates.

Let me clear this corner of the Aegean Stable up for everyone, right here, right now.

[excuse me for a sneak-away to monitor my vehicle and count the pills, capsules, and liquids I must consume or die. I will also consult my legal hash oil medical vaporizer, because this (coming) revelation is bigger than The Horus Toy[TM].


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06/08/2020 7:52 am  
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this "sleep = samadhi" formulation is a secret disclosed only to very advanced initiates.

Let me clear this corner of the Aegean Stable up for everyone,
right here, right now.

The common denominator between samadhi and deep sleep is the number 4.

Brainwave frequency Delta starts at 4.o Hz or cycles per second, a "very slow vibe." It runs down to zero, so the "range" is 0-4 Hz (cps).

Deep Sleep: Each person's unit requires 45 minutes in delta each night (or 24-hr period) to "recharge" the system. Actually, the system is reset to zero (or close to it). A new beginning, every night. No waking, no dreams, absolute nothing. But the vehicle (you, anyone) is not aware of this.

Samadhi: Each person's unit requires just a few seconds, or an eternity, in samadhi (or even dhyana), which registers a delta frequency each time the trance is entered. But there are different samadhis, revealing different "visions." Absolute nothing on the Richter Scale or the digital Brainwave Detector. But the vehicle (you, anyone) is aware of this.

Awareness and Thinking are two different things.

Excessive mouth-running without making a point is a sub-category of Thinking Disorders.

The best "proof" of this sort of thing is the YouTube video, "Ken Wilber stops his brainwaves." He is demonstrating "Mastery of Samadhi."

And that's the difference between Doing the Work and Deep Snooze Monkey.

 

PS We're really talking about simple dhyana. Samadhi is just used because it sounds more impressive. They both require loss of sense of separate self, but a "universal" or "true" self is still involved. The same monadic (core) "person" is still perceiving events or objects, but through "direct perception" instead of observing something from the outside with the senses.

 


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